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Dick Masterson

2025-01-12T13:35:19Z

Godofdoors0: Added some videos links

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| occupation = Comedian, Author
| country = USA
| website = [https://thedickshow.com/ thedickshow.com]
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'''Dick Masterson''' is an American Comedian and co-host of ''[[The Biggest Problem in the Universe]]'' with [[Vito]]. He is the author of the satirical 2008 book ''Men Are Better Than Women'' and had an appearance on {{wiki|Phil_McGraw|Dr. Phil|,}} on which he states he was playing a hyper-exaggerated-misogynist character in a house full of other extremely prejudiced people, and says he thinks he was "the only one who was joking."<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LX1DLXfP7KY</ref>

== Appearances with Destiny ==
{{Incomplete List}}
=== Debate with Dick Masterson WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am-wMjclso0

=== Killstream ft. Nick Fuentes, Dick Masterson, and Ethan Ralph WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brlvVrI3dKE

=== Biggest Problem #102 with Destiny WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k26PEecFRo

=== No Jumper- Destiny, Dick Masterson, & Vito WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM8RXouxW6E

== External Links ==
* [https://thedickshow.com/ Website]
* [https://www.patreon.com/thedickshow Patreon]
* [https://twitter.com/dickmasterson Twitter]
* [https://www.youtube.com/@BiggestProblem YouTube]

Ninou

2024-12-29T10:21:51Z

Godofdoors0: Added infobox and fixed an interal link.

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'''Ninou''' also known as [[File:Ninoupanda.png|x20px]] '''NinouThePanda''', is a livestreamer and [[Destiny]]'s administrative assistant, merchandise manager, and is the Head Regulator of [[The Destiny.gg Discord]]. She has a history of retweeting funny [https://twitter.com/TheRealNinou/status/1504271585032605700 tweets] and dunking on people in [[DGG]] chat.

== Trivia ==
* She has a dog named [https://twitter.com/TheRealNinou/status/1702814251746816146 Loki].
* Unfortunately, French.

== External Links ==
* [https://twitch.tv/ninouthepanda Twitch]
* [https://twitter.com/TheRealNinou Twitter]
*[https://www.instagram.com/ninouthepanda Instagram]

[[Category:Moderators]]

Melina

2024-12-16T08:42:37Z

Godofdoors0: Formatted is so it matched other pages and added somes sources. Also added her to former orbiters as they are unlikely to talk again.

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'''Melina Goransson''', also known as Mel in the community, is a lifestyle streamer and ex-wife of [[Destiny]]. Melina married Destiny in December 2021 <ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20211227214741/https://twitter.com/melinagoranson/status/1475584122777128963</ref> and they divorced in December 2023 <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=322PUPS2xEA</ref> She had multiple emotes in [[DGG Chat]]. [[File:MelWemote.png]]. Melina also had exclusive access to the [[File:GIGAMEL.png|30px]] emote and a Mel variant of the [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/File:DggL.png dggL emote].

== Divorce ==
On the 6th and 7th of December, 2023 Destiny removed and blocked Melina on his social media<ref>
{{cite
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</ref>, said in chat that he "is out" and that she needs to pack up her belongings before he gets back to Miami on the 9th of December. The two have officially been divorced and signed a postnuptial agreement. <ref>
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</ref>

=== Divorce Streams ===
Three major streams have occurred regarding Destiny and Melina's divorce, each more intense and revealing than the last. Destiny's personal reflections and Memetix/Melina's overt lies about the divorce to mutual friends and other streamers behind the scenes have led to these escalating streams.

==== December 11th, 2023 ====
On December 11th, 2023 Destiny streamed what would later be referred to as the "cuck stream". <ref>
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</ref> Wherein he apologized for leaking messages in DGG chat, apologizes to his audience for "baiting" with a formal manifesto, and gives a brief overview of the events that transpired leading to their divorce. Destiny explains that after speaking with his therapist he realized it would be for the best to not disparage Melina or her new boyfriend too much publically, and leaves the door open for a potential return should she wish to come back once enough time transpires.

==== December 19th, 2023 ====
On December 19th, 2023 Destiny announced in DGG chat that he would be going into detail regarding the circumstances of their divorce.<ref>
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</ref> Destiny was prompted to do this seemingly after finding out Melina and Memetix said on stream that Destiny had been lying about things he said in chat on December 7th. Destiny's main goal with this discussion was to fight a few widespread impressions that irk him<ref>
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</ref>:
# He is a horrible abusive one-sided terrible person that Melina escaped.
# He is unsure how many people have heard "insane" things about him behind the scenes as a result of Melina providing her one-sided perspective.
# He is not happy with the things Memetix and Melina accusing him of lying about with regards to the circumstances of their divorce and relationship. Destiny then points out that his claims are easily backed up by logs, and that it would be incredibly stupid of him to lie.
# He wants to give a very broad accounting of the things that happened.

Shortly after announcing his intentions in DGG chat, Destiny streamed for two hours and divulged much more information regarding the circumstances of the divorce.<ref>
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</ref>. At the beginning of the stream, Destiny noted that at least five mutual friends had reached out to him, implying that he had been untruthful about many things and had been abusive towards Melina. He then provided a timeline of events since December 7th leading up to their divorce. He talked about Melina's tendency to exaggerate and emotionally rewrite the history of their interactions, and her practice of sharing personal details of their relationship with outsiders, which he likened to creating '50 Bob7s'. He expressed his frustration with people weaponizing their emotions against him and friends who try to find a middle ground in their disputes. Destiny highlighted that most of his arguments with Melina revolved around statements of fact, leaving little room for disagreement. Finally, he discussed the rules in their open relationship that, in his view, were designed to set him up for failure, and he mentioned Melina’s request for $100,000 for her apartment in Sweden.

==== December 21st, 2023 ====
On December 21st, 2023, Destiny responded to Henry Resilient's video, in which Henry accused Destiny of lying about the circumstances surrounding his and Melina's divorce and the allegations against Memetix.<ref>
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</ref> <ref>
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</ref>Chat logs of an interview between Memetix and Henry regarding the situation are provided, the contents of which spur Destiny to go into more detail than prior streams regarding the circumstances of the divorce and the events leading up to it. Following a reaction to the video, Destiny provided the following guideline with regards to the circumstances that would allow him to disclose more information publicly<ref>
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</ref>:
# Destiny dislikes the public impression of being labled a cheater/abuser/horrible person. Destiny would also like to combat the potential videos from other content creators that would result should he and Melina split, as they will have a warped perception regarding the events that transpired.
# Destiny gets very nervous when individuals spread false, character damaging, information about himself behind the scenes. By December 21st, 2023, Melina and Tim have reached out to 8 different mutual friends with lies.
# Pettiness, there is much Destiny would be able to leak if his goal was to simply damage the other parties involved.

Following his listing of these rules, Destiny states that the "golden trifecta" has been achieved, and thanked Tim(Memetix) for enabling him to speak about some things more openly.<ref>
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‌

=== Timeline of events ===
==== August ====
* Late July to Early August, Melina was forced to return to Sweden to deal with a tax dispute and the formal criminal charges filed against her as a result of it. While this was occuring, Destiny and Melina were fighting over two friendships he was forced to burn relating to Melina's habit of divulging intimate details regarding some of the problems in their relationship to these individuals(aka creating Bob7s).<ref>
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</ref>
* Early August, while Destiny is the United States, Melina meets a new group of friends in Sweden. She assured Destiny that these friends were "cool", explaining they were either gay, platonic, or involved in other relationships. This group included Memetix, with whom Melina started hanging out as friends. Melina initially reassures Destiny that their friendship will be "platonic and cool", Destiny is skeptical. Shortly thereafter, Memetix ends up cheating on a girl he was with and has sex with Melina and the two are soon officially dating. <ref>
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* Mid to late August, the relationship between Melina and Memetix progresses. Melina informs Destiny that Memetix is quite clingy, while Melina wants space. Destiny jokes that this is similar to their dynamic(Melina being clingy while Destiny wants space). Destiny eventually discovers that the two have been frequently staying over at one another's apartments for several weeks. Melina does not inform Destiny of this until he asks explicitly, which Destiny is irked by. <ref>
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</ref>
==== September ====
* Sometime around September, Melina's trial date approaches, and Destiny has a very "slutty" trip planned. Near the end of his "trip", Melina has her court date and wants Destiny present for it. The two had been fighting during this time, as Melina wanted Destiny to stay with her in Sweden for three months to support her while the legal issues were being discussed. Destiny feels he's already helping the best ways he can(managing tax issues, finding big 4 accountants to assist in the dispute, etc). While Melina feels irked as she is constantly questioned as to why Destiny isn't in Sweden supporting her, and she is unsure how to defend him.<ref>
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==== October ====
[[File:MelinaDestinyLogs.png|200px|thumb|right|Logs between Melina and Destiny, wherein she complains about Memetix's lack of a job and her requirement to pay for everything.]]
* Destiny eventually returns to his Florida apartment, streams once, then flies out to Sweden for ten days. Upon arriving in Sweden, Destiny notes that he feels underappreciated despite assisting Melina through her legal dispute. He eventually discovers that Memetix was essentially living with Melina while she was stuck in the country. Destiny's first night in Sweden, the two have a conversation about their past hookups, and argued over a boundary Destiny was accused of breaking by having hookups in the bed of their United States apartment. Initially, Melina claimed to be a germaphobe, but later admitted her real concern was about others being in her bed. Destiny felt irritated by this, especially since Memetix was constantly in Melina's apartment and appeared to be sharing her bed. Destiny eventually sits through the Swedish court hearing, and things go well. Once they arrive in the apartment, Melina allegedly engages in much shitty behavior towards Destiny.
* A few days following the court appearance, Destiny and Melina receive word that she will be able to receive her passport back soon. Destiny has a discussion with Melina, and remarks that he does not think Memetix will be okay with Melina returning to the United States as the two have been "glued" to each other for two months straight. Melina reassures Destiny that Memetix is poly and very okay with her leaving.
* Around October 8, 2023 Melina retrieves her passport from the courthouse and returns to the apartment appearing visibly stressed after an interaction she had with Memetix. She informs Destiny that Memetix believes Destiny is way too toxic for her, and he can't stand to see her in so much pain. Memetix gives Melina the ultimatum to either divorce Destiny or leave him. Memetix then claims that a few of Melina's friends have said Destiny and her do need to break up due to the toxicity in their relationship. Upon seeing Melina's hesitation to respond, Memetix(knowing Melina has abandonment issues), lashes out and says "this is why everybody you've ever loved has left you Melina", and promptly storms down the street. Destiny and Melina have a thirty minute conversation regarding the state of their relationship. During the conversation, Destiny maintains that he is happy with the state of their relationship despite the fights, and notes that Memetix has done some strange things as of late that might make a relationship with him difficult. A few hours later, Memetix began sending apologetic direct messages to Melina, insisting they needed to talk immediately. When Melina asked Destiny if she should respond, he advised against it. Melina then told Memetix they could talk the next day. In response, Memetix claimed he was walking outside and feeling suicidal. Melina then chats with Memetix for two hours, in an attempt to calm him down. Destiny felt optimistic, believing Melina would end the relationship due to Memetix's abusive behavior. He never explicitly told her to stop talking to Memetix, assuming she would naturally cut off contact after such an incident. The next day Memetix would go on to say he didn't actually threaten suicide, and was just having suicidal feelings.<ref>
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* October 8, 2023 Melina reaches out to some of her friends to corroborate Memetix's accusations that they had wanted Melina to get out of her relationship with Destiny. She eventually confirms that Memetix had been lying. <ref>
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* October 20, 2023 Destiny and Melina get into a fight(while in Las Vegas) because Tim was saying you can't raise children in a poly relationship, or with an American. The fight heats up, and she asks him if he's on his meds and implies that could be the cause of his poor mood. <ref>
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</ref> <ref>
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</ref> Destiny was not initially aware that Melina would be available for TwitchCon, and regrettably had to cancel several planned sexual endeavors as a result. Upon noticing that Melina had been texting Memetix for several hours on the third day of TwitchCon(after assuming she had cut him off as a result of his prior behavior), an irate Destiny storms off and goes to some of his planned hookups.

==== November ====
[[File:MelinaDestinyVagueTweet.png|200px|thumb|left|A tweet posted by Destiny in the midst of Melina spending time in Sweden with Memetix.<ref>
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</ref>]]
* Destiny and Melina return to Miami. Melina gets really irritated upon discovering that Memetix had been cuddling with a close friend of Melina's in her Sweden apartment. Upon pressing her, Destiny is shocked to discover that Memetix has a key to Melina's apartment, and that Tim is allowed to invite girls back to her apartment to have sex with. Destiny then informs Melina that he will do "whatever the fuck" he wants in the bed of his apartment, and if she is not happy with that she can leave. Destiny streams that day, and Melina has a 5 hour call with Memetix and the friend he hooked up with, she claims the conversation went well. <ref>
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</ref>
* Melina eventually finds out that Memetix is lying to her mutual friends about her. Destiny gives her some advice, and informs her to reach out to some of these friends before Memetix attempts to. Destiny eventually discovers that multiple friends(who have likely been contacted by Memetix), no longer respond to his messages.
* Destiny takes Melina to the airport, and informs her that he feels like he'll never see her again. He remains optimistic however, and assumes Melina will eventually phase Memetix out of her life(pointing to his past toxic behavior). <ref>
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</ref>
* Within a week of returning to Sweden, Memetix and Melina are close again. Destiny is worried at this point, as he is unsure if Melina is getting "mind-fucked" into an abusive relationship, as she is beginning to slip on some of her business obligations, is cutting contact from some of her friends, and appears distant in their calls. Melina has an interview at one point, and when she begins speaking positively about Destiny, Memetix angrily storms out of the apartment. <ref>
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</ref>
* Destiny attempts to reach out to Melina's father and sister to see if they can provide him info regarding Melina's status. He eventually finds out that Melina and Memetix have been informing any mutuals that Destiny is having a "crazy-manic episode" and to avoid speaking with him. Destiny is in contact with a mutual friend of theirs, and they inform Destiny that she can't hang out with Melina without Memetix being there. Destiny eventually blocks Melina on Instagram, stating he can't stand seeing Melina post pictures with such a toxic and manipulative individual. Destiny calls his therapist and sets up a 5-hour group therapy session when Melina returns to the United States, and begins putting together a manifesto. Destiny then has a 3 hour long conversation with a close friend, and eventually concludes that their relationship troubles aren't entirely Memetix's fault.<ref>
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</ref>
==== December ====
[[File:MelinaMemetixHoodie.png|200px|thumb|right|The Memetix hoodie Melina greeted Destiny in upon returning from Sweden.]]
* Melina returns from Sweden. Upon picking her up from the airport, he sees Melina is wearing a hoodie with Memetix's name printed on the front. Destiny refrains from interacting with Melina over the course of the next few days while she's back in the United States.<ref>
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</ref>
* On the day of their therapy session, Destiny, believing that the discussion would not be fruitful and "seeing the writing on the wall", walks to the bank with Melina to withdraw his money(~$115,000).The two then have their 5 hour long therapy session with their therapist, Stacy. Destiny feels good at this point. Melina allegedly agrees to this as they have decided to take a break for 6 months, and Destiny wants to protect his assets.<ref>
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</ref> <ref>
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* Melina is very upset one day as Memetix has cheated on her with multiple other individuals while she has been in the United States. Melina is more open to the boundaries Destiny set in therapy at this point, and in turn establishes "strange" ones(i.e. not judging her for working so much, something Destiny has never complained about, and giving Melina freedom). Destiny notes that the boundaries Melina set seem like they would not work in a relationship with Memetix.
* December 7, 2023 Destiny and Melina have a conversation which ended horribly(Melina confided in Memetix details regarding their personal relationship). Destiny is irate at this point, and accuses Melina of running damage control for Memetix, and implies that Memetix knows more about their relationship than Destiny knows about her. Destiny wanted her to be gone with all her shit by the the time he got home on December 9th. Later that night, Destiny had a short conversation with her in dms(Destiny admits he is fairly irate at this point, and the messages he sent could be perceived as "unhinged"). Melina's responses were described as loving yet cold and detached, and fairly logical. Destiny noted that she was denying things she had previously confessed to doing. Unable to sleep, Destiny started typing things about their relationship in the DGG chat that he later regretted. Destiny has a 15-page manifesto ready to go at this point. That day, Destiny appears as a guest on two shows, Jubilee and the Whatever podcast. Destiny and Melina are seperated for two days at this point, and he has solicited much feedback from many mutuals regarding their interaction. After these conversations, Destiny sends an apologetic message to Melina for his seemingly unhinged behavior, and messages in DGG chat(Destiny was blocked on all socials at this point so he sent it through a mutual). <ref>
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* Destiny messages Melina, inquiring what she means when she says she will "go on break", and asks if she will restrict herself romantically and sexually from Memetix. Melina responds that she will not, and Destiny concludes that Melina simply wants to try out a relationship with Memetix and crawl back to him if it doesn't work out.
* December 11, 2023 Destiny has a three-hour discussion with his therapist, Stacy, about their relationship and his struggles to understand some of Melina's behaviors. Stacy advised Destiny to focus on achieving a specific outcome, warning against actions that could lead to a less desirable result. Following the therapy, he managed to get Melina to sign a postnuptial agreement. Later that day, Destiny spent two hours talking with a friend about the situation. <ref>
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</ref>
* Destiny later does the "cuck" stream, wherein he apologizes for his unhinged behavior, leaking details regarding his relationship in dgg, and leaves the door open for Melina's return.<ref>
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</ref>
* December 12, 2023 Destiny notices a few passive aggressive tweets from Melina(which he viewed through dummy social media accounts). Destiny has his birthday party and notably did not receive a happy birthday from Melina :( . Destiny claims he is "chilling" at this point, and is happy where things are left.<ref>
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|title = December 20th, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=1232
}}
</ref>
* December 13, 2023 people start messaging Destiny about things Melina has been saying. Most of the mutual friends allegedly believe Melina, despite her tendency to not divulge the full story of any fight they may have.<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = No Title Found
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=224
}}
</ref> Destiny believes Melina will never leak anything, because she knows everything about this makes her look like a "satanic demon"<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = No Title Found
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=743
}}
</ref>. Notable messages include "I'm so glad I got out of that, I never want to go back to this horrible person, I realized how much of an abuser he is... I can't believe he lied and tried to make everybody sympathetic for him...". Destiny is taken aback by these messages, as they were in response to his "cuck-stream". Destiny begins to retrofit actions melina did in the past, and everything starts to make sense. Destiny says fuck everyone who made him walk back his initial assessment of things. Upon seeing the aforementioned messages from Melina regarding their relationship, Destiny rents an attorney, got the divorce papers, printed them up, sent them to melina to sign by monday. The papers were signed almost immediately, notarized, and the court accepted everything. <ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = December 20th, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=1301
}}
</ref>
* Melina reaches out to Destiny. She allegedly never truly wanted to get a divorce, and had recently received a message relating to her Sweden apartment. The Florida courts accepted the paperwork for their divorce, the day before Melina received a notice relating to her apartment. She claims he owes her money($100,000) for her apartment in Sweden. The two have a forty minute call later that day. During their conversation, Destiny compared himself to Neo, claiming he could detect each lie and pivot Melina made in real time. He challenged every assertion Melina presented, consistently asking for logs or evidence to back her claims, which she was unable to provide. Melina notably calls Destiny an emotionally stunted child that surrounds himself with yes-men during the call. <ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = December 20th, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=1471
}}
</ref> <ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = Dec 21, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=6503
}}
</ref>

=== Financial fallout of divorce ===

Destiny stated that there is no noticeable financial burden on his end as a result of the divorce. He goes on to say that the two have no joint assets, no kids, and live in Florida(the state has disfavorable laws for short-term marriages), and even if she wanted to fight she would likely receive nothing.<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = No Title Found
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=1912
}}
</ref>

=== Memetix chat logs during the December 19th stream ===
[[File:Memetixyoutubelogs.png|200px|thumb|Right|Memetix logs during the December 19th stream]]
[[File:YodieGangmelina.png|200px|thumb|right |Prominent youtuber [https://www.youtube.com/@damianluck925| damianluck925's] advice to Destiny during his tumultuous divorce.]]
Memetix appeared in chat while Destiny was recounting the events of his divorce and attempted multiple times to egg Destiny on. Notably, upon Memetix's allegation that he has a recording of Destiny requesting he kill himself, Destiny remarks he did say as much and requests that Memetix be a "man of his word"(in reference to Memetix threatening to take his own life on multiple occasions).<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = No Title Found
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://kick.com/destiny?clip=clip_01HJ34G1G1V557Z8H5XWABRV2K
}}
</ref>

During the December 21st stream, Destiny remarks that Memetix might be getting "super mind fucked right now" judging by the way he types in chat. He cautioned Memetix that Melina had been lying frequently over the past six months, and suggests that this might explain the apparent confidence behind some of Memetix's statements.<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = Dec 21, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=2497
}}
</ref>

=== Darius Situation ===
Destiny explains that Melina was 100% unequivocally wrong, and exaggerated/lied about everything having to do with the situation. Destiny goes on to claim that because it ended up in a place she didn't like, she emotionally rewrote their interactions to make it seem like [[DariusIRL]] was a clingy abusive loser the entire time. <ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = December 20th, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=429
}}
</ref>
Destiny then claims he did not want to intervene in their personal drama which is why he let Darius get "dragged", however he did communicate with the two behind the scenes individually. <ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = December 20th, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=686
}}
</ref>

=== Melina's request for $100,000 ===
Melina reached out(through a mutual) to Destiny twelve days after blocking him on all platforms. Destiny assumed Melina reached out to him as a result of her receiving some sort of notice regarding the status of her apartment the day after the divorce papers were notarized.<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = Dec 21, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=6496
}}
</ref> She asserts Destiny owes her money for her apartment in Sweden, and if he wants to do what is morally right he should pay for her apartment in Sweden. Destiny responds that Melina is out of her mind, and suggests that Memetix get a job to pay off the amount due. Some time passes, and Melina wants to know where Destiny is at with regards to the apartment situation. Destiny states he's at the message he sent an hour ago, they have a 40 minute call. Melina starts lying throughout the convo, and destiny has logs on hand to disprove her(Destiny claims he felt like neo during this conversation).

Memetix streamed some time later, and said there was lies in the logs Destiny had released.<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = No Title Found
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=2012
}}
</ref> Melina argued that Destiny lied about paying rent for her other boyfriend who moved into her Swedish apartment without Destiny's knowledge. Destiny admitted that, technically, he had not paid for her apartment. However, he explained that by covering all of Melina's living expenses while she lives in America, it's akin to indirectly funding her ability to pay for her Swedish apartment. This arrangement allows Melina to use her own money for the apartment in Sweden, which she has owned since before their relationship began. Therefore, Destiny's support in the US essentially enabled Melina to maintain her Swedish apartment.

As justification for the amount she requested from Destiny, Melina asserts that she abandoned all her things in Sweden for him. <ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = No Title Found
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=1709
}}
</ref>
Melina: "You owe me this because I abandoned all of my stuff in sweden for you."
Destiny: "No you didn't, you abandoned new zealand for me."
Melina: "No i abandoned sweden, I couldn't go back after I..."
Destiny: "No you hated sweden, and you abandoned new zealand."
Destiny then pulls up logs from the first year of their relationship wherein the couple fought over Melina's desire to stay in New Zealand, her hating Sweden, and her hating having to come to the United States. When the two fought, Melina would frequently bring up how Destiny seemingly pulled her from her dream country and dropped her in a country she hates(Sweden), to which Destiny responded that she was engaged with a guy two weeks after she arrived in New Zealand.
=== TCBrady's involvement ===
[[File:MelinaTCbrady.png|200px|thumb|right|Destiny showing logs between Melina and TCBrady ]]
Destiny stated that he could corroborate almost everything Melina discussed with him through shared logs.<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = Dec 21, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=6934
}}
</ref>
As an example, Destiny provided direct messages between Melina and a loyal dgger, TCBrady, as evidence of her reaching out to mutual friends. Brady’s actions later earned him a front-runner position for DGGer of the year in [[Destiny_Awards | The Destiny Awards]], which he would go on to win. <ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = Dec 21, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=6589
}}
</ref>

=== Bob7 clones and relationship rules/dynamics ===
==== Bob7 "clones" ====
[[File:MelinaDestinyMemetix.png|200px|thumb|left|Logs between Destiny and Memetix, wherein Memetix claims he does not live with Melina.]]
Destiny maintains his position that Bob was a piece of shit, who was talking shit behind the scenes. There are multiple people that Melina dumped everything about their relationship to, these people have all eventually gone on to hate destiny. The justification for this "trauma-dumping" was always: "5 years of trauma, and because you traumatize me when you cheated." Destiny admits he did in fact cheat, but some of the rules were set up to make him fail, as there were many qualifiers with regards to girls he could hook-up with. <ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = December 20th, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=611
}}
</ref>

Destiny asserted that Melina has caused more people to be cut out of his life by bringing their relationship drama to these individuals. During one particular argument, Destiny asked Melina if she thought she was in the wrong in some of those instances, to which she replied no. The day after, Memetix continued with what Destiny described as manipulative, abuser-like behavior, and Melina suggested that Destiny should talk to him. This led to two days of intense conversations with Memetix, which Destiny characterized as "autistic." He then questioned why Melina hadn't had conversations with any of the people with whom her actions had damaged his friendships, particularly those who hadn't threatened self-harm, citing ErisAnn as an example.<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = December 20th, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=2563
}}
</ref>

==== Cheating and Relationship dynamics ====
Destiny cited his hook-up with a girl in San Francisco and his prompt disclosure to Melina the next morning as an example of what Melina considered to be instances of Destiny "cheating." In contrast, he mentioned an incident where Melina, while traveling in Europe with two individuals(whom she claimed to not be involved with romantically), only shared her activities with these individuals upon Destiny’s direct inquiry. While Melina was on this trip, she requested Destiny not hook-up with a certain girl while she traveled. Agreeing to her request, Destiny later received a call from a crying Melina, confessing that she had hooked up with the two aforementioned individuals. <ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = December 20th, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=3985
}}
</ref>

When Destiny discovered that Memetix had cheated on his previous girlfriend to be with Melina, and that they were now dating, he was surprised. He recalled how Melina had previously expressed that cheating was one of the worst actions someone could commit, yet she was now in a relationship with someone who had cheated to be with her. Destiny went on to remark that the relationship dynamic between Melina and Memetix, was quite similar to the relationship between himself and Melina. In that Tim is clingy, while Melina wants space(as opposed to Destiny wanting space and Melina being clingy). Destiny goes on to provide the example of Melina and Memetix being at a restaurant with other friends, Memetix wanting to go home, Melina wanting to stay, and Memetix proceeding to send several messages to Melina informing her she is being unfair and needs to return home immediately. <ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = Dec 21, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=2533
}}
</ref>

==== Inconsistent relationship rules ====
One of Destiny's primary critiques of his former relationship with Melina, is the inconsistency in which certain rules were applied:

Destiny felt he was held to a much higher standard when it came to "information informing" regarding potential relationships. i.e. Destiny would have to inform of potential new partners immediately, and still receive criticism, while Melina would not inform Destiny of new partners/hookups until asked. He likens this to eventually discovering that Memetix was in Melina's apartment nearly every day, and Melina not informing him until he explicitly asked. <ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = Dec 21, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=2636
}}
</ref>

Additionally, Destiny perceived an inconsistent application of their rule about potential hookups in their shared bed. Melina would consistently say she's germaphobic when pressed on this issue. When the two argue about this boundary in Sweden, it eventually comes to be clear that Melina is not a germaphobe, and simply does not want Destiny's hookups in their bed. Destiny takes issue with this as Memetix is in Melina's Swedish apartment all the time, and seems to be sharing her bed. In response, Melina asserted that since she fully paid for the Swedish apartment, she could use it as she wished. Destiny countered this argument by pointing out that he pays for their apartment in the United States. This situation limited his ability to use a significant part of their U.S. apartment, whereas Melina had complete freedom in her Swedish apartment.<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = Dec 21, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=2873
}}
</ref> This issue flared up once more, once Destiny discovered that Melina had allowed Memetix to bring girls back to her Sweden apartment to hook up in her bed. <ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = Dec 21, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=3916
}}
</ref>

Melina's disapproval of Destiny's partners, whom she saw as toxic to their relationship, and her maintenance of a relationship with Memetix, who openly wanted Melina to cut off Destiny, created another pain point. Destiny remarked that if there was a girl trying to debate him out of dating Melina, she would be losing her mind. <ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2006
|month = October
|day = 31
|title = Dec 21, 2023
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 27
|source = https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=3780
}}
</ref>

== References ==

[[Category:Streamers]]
[[Category:On-stream personalities]]
[[Category:Former Orbiters]]

MrGirl

2024-12-14T06:51:07Z

Godofdoors0:

{{Infobox Person
| person_name = MrGirl
| image = MaxKarson.jpg
| caption = Max Karson
| person_status = Active
| political_alignment =
| person_age =
| qualifications =
| occupation = Content creator, musical artist
| country = USA
| website = [https://mrgirl.substack.com/ Substack]
| twitter = mrgirlreturns
| instagram =
| youtube =
| stock =
| awards = [[File:DestinyAwards.png|35px]] [[Destiny Awards#Antagonist of the Year|2022 Antagonist {{tooltip|of the Year|OTY}}]] 
}}
Max Karson, better known as '''MrGirl''', is a streamer, musical artist and (former) YouTuber who used to interact with [[Destiny]] on stream. Online he is primarily known for his [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERNdjDlqcE&ab_channel=reuploadbleh {{tooltip|Reuploaded version as his channel is deleted now.|controversial review}}] of the the 2020 French drama {{wiki|Cuties||,}} as well as his song—''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdhTMuxTWU I can fantasize about what I want]''—being featured in a short-form {{wiki||TikTok|}} styled [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUVWurN4NKs meme with an anthropomorphized apple on the screen,] though Max would not be widely known as the author of the featured song. Within [[DGG]] he is mostly known for his debates with Destiny and his report on the former, ''[[The Destiny Report]]''.

== History ==
MrGirl first interacted with Destiny on December 20th 2021.<ref>Destiny (2021, December 21) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgj8zhZrHF0 "Gender And Trans Debate Leaves Destiny Speechless ft. MrGirl..."] YouTube.com. Retrieved October 1, 2023</ref> On October 14th, 2022 MrGirl 'declared war' on the r/Destiny subreddit.<ref>nomoremrnicemrgirl (2022, October 14) [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/y3tubl/a_declaration_of_war/ "A Declaration of War"] Reddit.com. Retrieved October 1, 2023</ref> MrGirl and Destiny had their last full conversation on stream on October 28th 2022.<ref>Destiny (2022, October 29) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EUGpAZzRl0 "Destiny And MrGirl Bridge Collapses"] YouTube.com. Retrieved October 1, 2023</ref> Soon after their last conversation, MrGirl started working with [[Lav]] to message girls that Destiny had interacted with in the past.{{citation needed}} This was because MrGirl believed that Destiny was abusing his power as a streamer by having women that he had previously slept with on stream.<ref>Max Karson (March 25, 2023). [https://mrgirl.substack.com/p/the-destiny-report#:~:text=1.%20Unequal%20sexual,power%20over%20you.%22 mrgirl.substack.com]. Retrived June 5, 2023.</ref> Destiny was quick to address the allegations on stream, on November 11th of 2022, as the situation started gaining traction.<ref>Destiny (2022, November 11) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNLNmDQOdYE "Destiny Addresses Lav's Allegations And Exposes MrGirl"] YouTube.com. Retrieved October 1, 2023</ref> Following that, contact was cut between MrGirl and Destiny, and MrGirl continued contacting people, mostly women, that Destiny had on stream before. MrGirl then wrote and released ''[[The Destiny Report]]'' on March 25th 2023,<ref>Max Karson (2023, March 25) [https://mrgirl.substack.com/p/the-destiny-report "The Destiny Report"] substack.com. Retrieved October 2, 2023</ref> almost 5 months later. The day the report was released, [[ChudLogic]] read through the entirety of "The Destiny Report" on stream, and Destiny watched through some of that livestream.<ref>DGGWRLD (2023, March 28)[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkyVerJb2E4 "Destiny Responds to The Destiny Report by mrgirl"] YouTube.com. Retrieved October 2, 2023</ref>

== MrGirl videos WIP ==
=== Destiny reacts to Vaush Vs MrGirl debate ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG9hyw_bUcA

=== Destiny first talk with MrGirl ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgj8zhZrHF0

=== MrGirl video on Dr. K ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eacF7GTGHpE

== External Links ==
* [https://twitter.com/mrgirlreturns Twitter]
* [https://www.patreon.com/mrgirl Patreon]
* [https://odysee.com/@mrgirlreturns:2 Odysee YouTube archive]
* [https://www.youtube.com/@mrgirl1 Youtube (Deleted)]

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Streamers]]

MrGirl

2024-12-14T06:37:01Z

Godofdoors0: Added a section for videos.

{{Infobox Person
| person_name = MrGirl
| image = MaxKarson.jpg
| caption = Max Karson
| person_status = Active
| political_alignment =
| person_age =
| qualifications =
| occupation = Content creator, musical artist
| country = USA
| website = [https://mrgirl.substack.com/ Substack]
| twitter = mrgirlreturns
| instagram =
| youtube =
| stock =
| awards = [[File:DestinyAwards.png|35px]] [[Destiny Awards#Antagonist of the Year|2022 Antagonist {{tooltip|of the Year|OTY}}]] 
}}
Max Karson, better known as '''MrGirl''', is a streamer, musical artist and (former) YouTuber who used to interact with [[Destiny]] on stream. Online he is primarily known for his [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iERNdjDlqcE&ab_channel=reuploadbleh {{tooltip|Reuploaded version as his channel is deleted now.|controversial review}}] of the the 2020 French drama {{wiki|Cuties||,}} as well as his song—''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdhTMuxTWU I can fantasize about what I want]''—being featured in a short-form {{wiki||TikTok|}} styled [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUVWurN4NKs meme with an anthropomorphized apple on the screen,] though Max would not be widely known as the author of the featured song. Within [[DGG]] he is mostly known for his debates with Destiny and his report on the former, ''[[The Destiny Report]]''.

== History ==
MrGirl first interacted with Destiny on December 20th 2021.<ref>Destiny (2021, December 21) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgj8zhZrHF0 "Gender And Trans Debate Leaves Destiny Speechless ft. MrGirl..."] YouTube.com. Retrieved October 1, 2023</ref> On October 14th, 2022 MrGirl 'declared war' on the r/Destiny subreddit.<ref>nomoremrnicemrgirl (2022, October 14) [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/y3tubl/a_declaration_of_war/ "A Declaration of War"] Reddit.com. Retrieved October 1, 2023</ref> MrGirl and Destiny had their last full conversation on stream on October 28th 2022.<ref>Destiny (2022, October 29) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EUGpAZzRl0 "Destiny And MrGirl Bridge Collapses"] YouTube.com. Retrieved October 1, 2023</ref> Soon after their last conversation, MrGirl started working with [[Lav]] to message girls that Destiny had interacted with in the past.{{citation needed}} This was because MrGirl believed that Destiny was abusing his power as a streamer by having women that he had previously slept with on stream.<ref>Max Karson (March 25, 2023). [https://mrgirl.substack.com/p/the-destiny-report#:~:text=1.%20Unequal%20sexual,power%20over%20you.%22 mrgirl.substack.com]. Retrived June 5, 2023.</ref> Destiny was quick to address the allegations on stream, on November 11th of 2022, as the situation started gaining traction.<ref>Destiny (2022, November 11) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNLNmDQOdYE "Destiny Addresses Lav's Allegations And Exposes MrGirl"] YouTube.com. Retrieved October 1, 2023</ref> Following that, contact was cut between MrGirl and Destiny, and MrGirl continued contacting people, mostly women, that Destiny had on stream before. MrGirl then wrote and released ''[[The Destiny Report]]'' on March 25th 2023,<ref>Max Karson (2023, March 25) [https://mrgirl.substack.com/p/the-destiny-report "The Destiny Report"] substack.com. Retrieved October 2, 2023</ref> almost 5 months later. The day the report was released, [[ChudLogic]] read through the entirety of "The Destiny Report" on stream, and Destiny watched through some of that livestream.<ref>DGGWRLD (2023, March 28)[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkyVerJb2E4 "Destiny Responds to The Destiny Report by mrgirl"] YouTube.com. Retrieved October 2, 2023</ref>

== MrGirl debates WIP ==
=== Destiny reacts to Vaush Vs MrGirl debate ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG9hyw_bUcA

=== Destiny first talk with MrGirl ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgj8zhZrHF0

== External Links ==
* [https://twitter.com/mrgirlreturns Twitter]
* [https://www.patreon.com/mrgirl Patreon]
* [https://odysee.com/@mrgirlreturns:2 Odysee YouTube archive]
* [https://www.youtube.com/@mrgirl1 Youtube (Deleted)]

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Streamers]]

Econoboi

2024-12-13T18:03:24Z

Godofdoors0: Added infobox

{{Stub}}

{{Infobox Person
| person_name = Econoboi
| image = EconoboiFace.jpg
| caption = Econoboi
| person_status = Active
| political_alignment =
| person_age =
| qualifications =
| occupation = Youtuber, Podcaster
| country = Ukraine
| website =
| twitter = Econoboi
| instagram =
| youtube = @Econoboi
| stock =
| awards =
}}

'''Econoboi''' is a Youtuber, podcaster, streamer, and orbiter that mainly goes over the economic realm of politics, covering popular political topics and questions while offering his relative expertise in economic matters.

== External Links ==
* [https://twitch.tv/econoboi Twitch]
* [https://twitter.com/econoboi Twitter]
* [https://www.youtube.com/@econoboi Youtube]
* [https://www.youtube.com/@ThreeWonks Three Wonks Podcast]

[[Category:Streamers]]
[[Category:Orbiters]]

Ukrainian Ana

2024-12-12T04:04:31Z

Godofdoors0: /* Ana documents city under attack WIP */

{{Infobox Person
| person_name = Ukranian Ana
| image = UkraineAna.jpg
| caption = Anastasiya Paraskevova
| person_status = Active
| political_alignment =
| person_age =
| qualifications =
| occupation = Volunteer, Activist
| country = Ukraine
| website =
| twitter = UkrainianAna
| instagram =
| youtube =
| stock =
| awards = [[File:DestinyAwards.png|35px]] [[Destiny Awards#Ally of the Year|2022 Ally {{tooltip|of the Year|OTY}}]] 
}}

'''Anastasiya Paraskevova''', commonly known in [[DGG]] as '''Ukrainian Ana''', is a political activist and [[Orbiters|orbiter]] who came to prominence in 2022 after recording her experiences<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzwf493RdxM Ukrainian family newly reunited ripped apart again after Russian missile kills dad | ITV News]. Video.</ref> living in Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian war.<ref>[[wikipedia:Russo-Ukrainian War|Russo-Ukrainian War]]. Wikipedia.</ref> The interview that put her on DGG's radar was done by [[DylanBurnsTV|Dylan Burns]]<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh6IPjd42SA Ukrainian Calls Out Hasan on Russian Invasion During Interview]. Video.</ref>, within which she notably criticized [[Hasan Piker|HasanAbi]] on his coverage of Ukraine, while stating her support of Destiny's coverage. Ana's first major media appearance was self-proclaimed to be on CNN in the beginning of the war<ref>[https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-19-22/index.html | CNN]. Video.</ref>.
== Appearances on Destiny's Stream ==
* On August 30th 2023, Ana successfully closed [[cantclosevim|vim]].<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxneMxGuTou0kXtmu70FQk1IzPljKReo_D?si=fuHAuT4DvyqMmUd9 Ana closes vim]. YouTube Clip.</ref>
* Destiny's continued spam of the phrase "[[Gotcha, anything else?]]", as Ana reveals the horrors of war and other personal hardships, is currently being investigated as to be added along side the list of war crimes established in the Geneva Conventions.

=== Ana Calls Out US Leftists, Dispels Popular Russian Misinformation WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kl-9VQOq0E

=== Ana joins during Destiny and PaulsEgo call WIP ===
https://youtu.be/ngZ-UN1PhjA?t=5809

== Appearances on other channels ==

=== Vaush does interview of Ana WIP ===

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3foWPmF6oEc

=== Ana talks about the loss of her father WIP ===

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-53l5xMKE8M

=== Ana debates on Piers Morgan WIP ===

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ5pYYve_HY

== Appearances on other Media ==

=== Ana documents city under attack ===
Ana talks about and shows what she and her country has gone through in the first opening months of the {{wiki|Russo-Ukrainian_War|2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel|,}}

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/03/10/life-and-escaping-kharkiv-pkg-itv-vpx.itv

== External Links ==
* [https://twitter.com/UkrainianAna Twitter]

== References ==
<references/>
[[Category:On-stream personalities]]

Ukrainian Ana

2024-12-12T04:04:14Z

Godofdoors0:

{{Infobox Person
| person_name = Ukranian Ana
| image = UkraineAna.jpg
| caption = Anastasiya Paraskevova
| person_status = Active
| political_alignment =
| person_age =
| qualifications =
| occupation = Volunteer, Activist
| country = Ukraine
| website =
| twitter = UkrainianAna
| instagram =
| youtube =
| stock =
| awards = [[File:DestinyAwards.png|35px]] [[Destiny Awards#Ally of the Year|2022 Ally {{tooltip|of the Year|OTY}}]] 
}}

'''Anastasiya Paraskevova''', commonly known in [[DGG]] as '''Ukrainian Ana''', is a political activist and [[Orbiters|orbiter]] who came to prominence in 2022 after recording her experiences<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzwf493RdxM Ukrainian family newly reunited ripped apart again after Russian missile kills dad | ITV News]. Video.</ref> living in Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian war.<ref>[[wikipedia:Russo-Ukrainian War|Russo-Ukrainian War]]. Wikipedia.</ref> The interview that put her on DGG's radar was done by [[DylanBurnsTV|Dylan Burns]]<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh6IPjd42SA Ukrainian Calls Out Hasan on Russian Invasion During Interview]. Video.</ref>, within which she notably criticized [[Hasan Piker|HasanAbi]] on his coverage of Ukraine, while stating her support of Destiny's coverage. Ana's first major media appearance was self-proclaimed to be on CNN in the beginning of the war<ref>[https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-19-22/index.html | CNN]. Video.</ref>.
== Appearances on Destiny's Stream ==
* On August 30th 2023, Ana successfully closed [[cantclosevim|vim]].<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxneMxGuTou0kXtmu70FQk1IzPljKReo_D?si=fuHAuT4DvyqMmUd9 Ana closes vim]. YouTube Clip.</ref>
* Destiny's continued spam of the phrase "[[Gotcha, anything else?]]", as Ana reveals the horrors of war and other personal hardships, is currently being investigated as to be added along side the list of war crimes established in the Geneva Conventions.

=== Ana Calls Out US Leftists, Dispels Popular Russian Misinformation WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kl-9VQOq0E

=== Ana joins during Destiny and PaulsEgo call WIP ===
https://youtu.be/ngZ-UN1PhjA?t=5809

== Appearances on other channels ==

=== Vaush does interview of Ana WIP ===

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3foWPmF6oEc

=== Ana talks about the loss of her father WIP ===

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-53l5xMKE8M

=== Ana debates on Piers Morgan WIP ===

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ5pYYve_HY

== Appearances on other Media ==

=== Ana documents city under attack WIP ===
Ana talks about and shows what she and her country has gone through in the first opening months of the {{wiki|Russo-Ukrainian_War|2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel|,}}

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/03/10/life-and-escaping-kharkiv-pkg-itv-vpx.itv

== External Links ==
* [https://twitter.com/UkrainianAna Twitter]

== References ==
<references/>
[[Category:On-stream personalities]]

Hasan Piker

2024-12-10T19:37:13Z

Godofdoors0: Added some redirect to the normal wiki and added a source

{{WIP}}
{{Infobox Person
| person_name = Hasan Piker
| image = Hasan_Piker_2018_(cropped).jpg
| caption = Make the rich pay.
| person_status = HasanAbi
| political_alignment = Progressive Left/Socialist
| person_age = {{age|1991|07|25}}
| qualifications = Political Science/Communications Degree
| occupation = Twitch Streamer/Political Commentator
| country = USA
| website = [https://ideologie.shop/ ideologie.shop]
| twitter = Hasanthehun
| instagram = Hasandpiker
| youtube = @hasanabi
| twitch = hasanabi
| stock = [https://manifold.markets/destiny/hasan-stock-permanent Hasan Stock]
| awards = [[File:DestinyAwards.png|35px]] [[Destiny Awards|Antagonist {{tooltip|of the Year|OTY}}]]
}}
'''Hasan Doğan Piker''' (born July 25, 1991) is an American political commentator, streamer, and YouTuber. He is best known for his political commentary on the progressive news network [[The Young Turks]] and for his [[Twitch (service)|Twitch]] streaming channel, where he discusses pop politics, news headlines, and popular culture. Piker has gained a large following for his outspoken views on progressive politics and social issues.

Hasan’s first appearance on [[Destiny]]’s stream occurred on October 8th, 2018 to discuss an upcoming debate with [[Charlie Kirk]] and laude Destiny for his prior debate performances against the right. Following this appearance, Hasan became a temporary fixture of Destiny’s streams, and a friend. His initial appearances focused primarily on the burgeoning online-right movement and various economic/political theory. Hasan would frequently join Destiny on podcasts, occasionally IRL stream with him at restaurants and bars, and would regularly appear on Destiny's stream to play games or discuss current controversial issues. Over time, Hasan's limited debate experience, ideological differences with Destiny (primarily concerning left-wing thought), and struggles processing criticism from both Destiny and his community, eventually strained their relationship to the point where the two streamers cut ties with one another.

Currently, Hasan and Destiny are not on amicable terms. Their mutual dislike has intensified over the years, primarily stemming from personal animosity, political differences, and disputes over various contentious issues. The two will regularly criticize the positions/actions of the other, and have fostered communities that mirror their mutual dislike. Despite this animosity and his status as a prominent online political commentator, Hasan has consistently declined to appear on stream with Destiny or engage in debates with him since their second fallout, citing a general disdain for debates and "debate-perverts".<ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2024
|month = May
|day = 5
|title = Why Hasan Stopped Engaging With Destiny | HasanAbi Reacts
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynxYR3m4Ug4
}}
</ref><ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2024
|month = January
|day = 25
|title = Hasan Slams Shapiro And Destiny, Calls Debates Useless
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj6G8hbpJg8
}}
</ref>
For several years, Hasan boycotted all mention of Destiny on his channel, and would generally refuse to engage with any content related to Destiny(for fear of providing him underserved clout). Despite this, Hasan would sporadically react to Destiny-adjacent contact should he feel his input on the manner is necessary. As a result, Destiny's name has been banned from mention in Piker's Twitch chat, and individuals who could potentially be perceived as Destiny fans will typically be banned.<ref>{{cite
|source-name = Reddit
|year = 2024
|month = January
|day = 25
|title = The word 'Destiny' is banned in Hasan's chat
|retrieved-date = 2024, December 5
|source = https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1beumlg/the_word_destiny_is_banned_in_hasans_chat/
}}
</ref>

Shortly following the {{wiki|2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel|2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel|,}} Hasan ended his embargo on all Destiny-related content. Hasan occasionally devotes portions of his streams to either reacting to Destiny's subreddit, or ridiculing one of Destiny's mainstream media appearances.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2024
|month = June
|day = 16
|title = Why Does Destiny Hate Hasan?
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUOHbcQ5fI8
}}
</ref><ref>{{cite
|source-name = Reddit
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = Hasan goes all out on Destiny and this sub
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1ci6gdj/hasan_goes_all_out_on_destiny_and_this_sub/
}} </ref><ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2024
|month = January
|day = 24
|title = Ben Shapiro DEBATES Destiny | Hasanabi Reacts to Lex Fridman Podcast
|retrieved-date = 2024, May 2
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAcjcNMXq4k
}}
</ref><ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2024
|month = March
|day = 15
|title = Norman Finkelstein & Others DEBATE on Lex Fridman Podcast | Hasanabi Reacts (Longest Stunlock Ever)
|retrieved-date = 2024, May 2
|source
</ref> The reasons for this change of heart have sparked much speculation. While Hasan maintains he feels morally obliged to respond to Destiny's defense of the military operations in {{wiki|Gaza_Strip|Gaza|,}} others have speculated that Hasan is seeking to capitalize on Destiny's rising popularity amid several mainstream media appearances and his own dwindling Twitch and YouTube channel metrics.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = Reddit
|year = 2024
|month = December
|day = 5
|title = About Destiny saying he's more popular than Hasan
|retrieved-date = 2024, December 5
|source = https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/174wtzc/about_destiny_saying_hes_more_popular_than_hasan/
}}</ref><ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2023
|month = October
|day = 7
|title = Hasan And Cenk Vs Crowder And Daily Wire
|retrieved-date = 2024, May 3
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eZidF_MiYw
}}
</ref><ref>[[Media:HasanHemmoragingViewers.mp4]]</ref><ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2024
|month = May
|day = 3
|title = Destiny DEBATES Omar Baddar | Hasanabi Reacts to Breaking Points
|retrieved-date = 2024, May 3
|source = https://youtu.be/nWxrMQf8g5U?t=2444
}}
</ref>

== Early life and education ==
Hasan Piker was born on July 25, 1991, in {{wiki|New_Brunswick,_New_Jersey|New Brunswick, New Jersey|,}}. He spent his early years in Turkey before moving back to the United States for college. Piker attended {{wiki|Rutgers_University|Rutgers University|,}}, where he earned a {{wiki|Bachelor_of_Arts|Bachelor of Arts|,}} degree in [https://www.highsnobiety.com/p/hasan-piker-interview/ political science and communication] .

== Career ==
{{quote box|quote=I just made my own choices, and built my own business model ... I paved it on my own. |name=Hasan Piker|float=right}}
=== The Young Turks ===
Piker began his career as an intern at [[The Young Turks]] in 2014. He quickly rose through the ranks, becoming a producer and on-air contributor. Piker gained prominence for his dating advice show "Bro Tips".

=== Twitch streaming ===
In 2018, Piker started streaming on [[Twitch (service)|Twitch]], where he discusses pop politics, news headlines, and popular culture. His Twitch channel, "Hasanabi," has amassed a large following, making him one of the most popular political streamers on the platform. Piker's streams often feature discussions with journalists and content creators.

== Disagreements with Destiny WIP ==
{{Mbox||{{olb}}|The following section is a recounting of every disagreement Hasan and Destiny have had since their first on-stream meeting. For greater detail into a disagreement (including discussion highlights, timestamps and play-by-play), a link to the relevant section is provided in the opening sentence of the corresponding section.}}
=== Hasan Claims to "own" Destiny in a debate regarding the successfulness of Donald Trump as a Republican ===
[[File:Trump McCain Not a War Hero.mp4|300px|thumb|right|{{wiki|Donald_Trump|Donald Trump}} explains why he doesn't think Sen. {{wiki|John_McCain|John McCain}}, is a war hero.<ref> T{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2024
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = Trump: McCain Not a 'War Hero' (2024) | The Wall Street Journal [YouTube Video]
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNugcPeCZZE
}}
</ref>]]
During one of the [[Hasan_Piker#Destiny_has_a_pre-debate_discussion_with_Hasan|initial discussions]] between Hasan and Destiny, Hasan claims Trump has been incredibly successful as a Republican president because his underlying positions are just "regular fucking conservative principles". Hasan elaborates his positions are all the "modern GOP positions" but his rhetoric is just different, and is just more appealing to his base voters. He goes on to point to things such as the Republican Tax plan, the "destruction" of the {{wiki|United States Environmental Protection Agency|EPA|",}} and the "destruction" of the {{wiki|Consumer_Financial_Protection_Bureau|Financial Protection Bureau|.}} He concludes this is all "regular republican shit" Trump was able to accomplish in an authoritarian fashion.<ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = October
|day = 23
|title = [No title provided]
|retrieved-date = 2024, April 4
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9iPLU3fAFA&t=5272s
}}
</ref>

Destiny claims Trump has caused a very deep division within the Republican Party (Destiny calls it the Tea party on crack), citing instances such as Trumples mocking Mccain for being a war hero making it very difficult for them to see eye-to-eye with other Republicans. Destiny then discusses how Trump fans and supporters "fucking hate" establishment Republicans, citing the tendency of these groups to trash moderate Republicans just as hard as certain left leaning groups (i.e. calling them Rhinos). Destiny concludes he's unsure what kind of damage will happen to the party once Trump is gone, pointing to how a candidate like Rubio could have difficulty pandering to this new-extreme base.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = October
|day = 23
|title = The Most Oppressed Group - Pre-debate Debate with Hasan Piker
|retrieved-date = 2024, April 4
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9iPLU3fAFA&t=5424s
}} </ref>

Hasan once again disagrees with this, and maintains his prior position that Trump still advocates for "staple Republican positions". He then makes the point Republicans will always vote for whoever "triggers the libs" the most. Destiny agreed with this in the end, but maintained they will just have to see what happens to the party after the midterms.

On January 24, 2024 Hasan claims to have "owned" Destiny in this discussion. Hasan claims to be proven correct as Trump was able to stack the supreme court, "destroy" regulatory agencies, and offer "fat" tax cuts.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2024
|month = January
|day = 24
|title = Ben Shapiro vs Destiny Debate | HasanAbi reacts to Lex Fridman Podcast
|retrieved-date = 2024, April 4
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i9UYIkDTsY&t=4752s
}}</ref>

=== MrDeadMoth domestic abuse situation ===
[https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Hasan_Piker#Domestic_abuse_-_MrDeadMoth_hits_wife_ft._MrMouton,_Hasan,_WhiteNervosa On December 12, 2018] Destiny and Hasan debated the circumstances surrounding a domestic abuse situation involving Fortnite streamer MrDeadMoth.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = December
|day = 12
|title = Domestic abuse - MrDeadMoth hits wife ft. MrMouton, Hasan, WhiteNervosa
|retrieved-date = 2024, March 1
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RAZHElDZL8
}} </ref> Hasan, while of the opinion MrDeadMoth's wife did take steps to escalate the situation, maintains that MrDeadMoth bore the brunt of the blame in the situation for physically retaliating against his partner. Destiny took the contrary position, stating that while MrDeadMoth's physical response should not be excused, the wife's persistent approach, escalation, and starting of the physical altercation, should result in her receiving more of the blame.

=== Breaking News ===
[https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Hasan_Piker#Hasan_and_Destiny_debate_breaking_news On January 7, 2019] Destiny and Hasan debated the ethicality of reporting on breaking news and the roles of journalists and commentators in shaping public perception. Hasan, after reporting a [https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/1/10/18175589/jazmine-barnes-shooting-houston-texas-race%7C recent shooting] may have been racially charged, was accused of "race-baiting" after more information was released revealing that the shooting was in fact gang-related, and not a hate crime. Hasan felt this criticism was unwarranted, claiming he was merely working with the facts he had at the time, and that he could not wait for more facts to come out as it would be to the detriment of his job. Destiny took issue with this, arguing it was irresponsible of Hasan to cover the shooting before more information was released. Moreover, Destiny argued that Hasan should have avoided constructing a narrative around hate crimes, pointing to the hypocrisy Hasan would show if a right-leaning commentator speculated about Arabs following a bombing.

=== Moral Luck ===
{{disambiguation |Main Article: [[Moral Luck]]}}
[https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Hasan_Piker#Destiny,_Hasan,_Vaush,_and_RemTheBathBoi_debate_the_necessity_of_philosophical_%22grounding%22._The_phrase_%22morally_lucky%22_is_coined On March 23], 2019 Hasan, [[Rem]], [[Vaush]], and Destiny engaged in a heated discussion on the necessity of a foundational philosophical understanding for those engaging in political advocacy. Rem was of the position that content creators, particularly those with larger audiences, have a moral obligation to attain the base level of philosophical knowledge required to "ground" oneself in a moral framework. Rem goes on to argue that content creators who do not do so, run the risk of "lucking" into a position based off their life-experiences, and therefore may not truly be advocating for the "correct" position.

Vaush and Hasan challenged this view, calling it unrealistic given the fast-paced and often superficial nature of online discourse. While the majority of Hasan's disagreements(and angst) were directed at Rem, Destiny eventually made clear that he supported Rem's stance, and argued that large content-creators should have at least his own level of philosophical knowledge before advocating their positions. Destiny went on to reference his personal experience debating individuals who struggled to present strong arguments against incest, and how those individuals would have an easier time advocating for their stance with a grounded ethical framework.

=== Research methods ===
[[File:Hasan does think wikipedia is a scholarly source..mp4|300px|right|thumb|'''Hasan explains why he believes wikipedia is a scholarly source''']]
In 2019, Hasan lauded Wikipedia as a "scholarly source", referring to it as an excellent example of an {{wiki|Open_source|open source}} website backed by credible information.<ref>{{cite
|source-name = Destiny.gg Wiki
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = Hasan does think Wikipedia is a scholarly source
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/File:Hasan_does_think_wikipedia_is_a_scholarly_source..mp4
}} </ref> However, following the {{wiki|2023_Hamas-led_attack_on_Israel|2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel|,}} critics, including Hasan, frequently accused Destiny of primarily relying on reading Wikipedia articles for research, and even derided the website as a potential credible source altogether.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = Reddit
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = Hasan crying laughing at the fact Destiny [topic not specified]
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny }}
</ref><ref> {{cite
|source-name = Reddit
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = Destiny only reads Wikipedia as 4thot requested
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1coih9u/destiny_only_reads_wikipedia_as_4thot_requested/
}}
</ref><ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2024
|month = March
|day = 14
|title = Norm Finkelstein calls Destiny a fantastic moron | Lex Fridman Podcast
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fls1z4e4nvo
}}
</ref>

==== Research Fancams ====
Following a flare up in tensions between Destiny and several [[Ludwig]]-adjacent content creators,and at the request of reddit moderator [[4THOT]], reddit user lordsavor made several [https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fancam fancams] in response to the critique that Destiny relies purley on wikipedia articles for research. This fancam included several instances of Destiny scouring academic/historical documents for research.<ref>{{cite
|source-name = Reddit
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = Destiny only reads Wikipedia as 4thot requested
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1coih9u/destiny_only_reads_wikipedia_as_4thot_requested/
}}
</ref><ref>[[Media:Watch Destiny Only Reads Wikipedia Streamable.mp4]]</ref>
{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Destiny research fancam
|-
|
[[File:Watch Destiny Only Reads Wikipedia Streamable.mp4|300px]]
|}

Later that day, lordsavor posted another fancam, wherein several Hasan vods were scoured in order to find genuine instances of Hasan doing research on any given topic. lordsavor found little in their search, and had the following to say:

{{blockquote
|quote=Before making the hasan Twitter research montage fancam, I really wondered to myself. "Did Hasan REALLY do NO RESEARCH at all?". So I scoured his vods and tried to find one. Like genuinely tried. The best I can find is him getting referred to a document on a interview in which he read a paragraph and then moved on. EVERYTIME that he reads something in a academic paper or some shit, HE JUST READS ONE PARAGRAPH AND MOVES ON. READ THE WHOLE THING DIPSHIT. I fucking can't man, why do I give this worm a chance, I wasted so much time. Anyways the other fancam is coming soon, I'm a bit busy today sorry.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = Reddit
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = Debate fancam: Hasan does no research (actual)
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1cphimw/debate_fancam_hasan_does_no_research_actual/
}} </ref>}}

{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Hasan research fancam
|-
|
[[File:Debate Fancam - Hasan does research.mp4|300px]]
|}
One day following the release of these fancams, yet another fancam was released, this time by reddit user Jaded-Engineer.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = Reddit
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = Pedro Pedro Pedro Pedro Pe
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1cpjtb0/pedro_pedro_pedro_pedro_pe/
}}</ref>
{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Hasan research fancam #2
|-
|
[[File:Destiny Hasan research.mp4|300px]]
|}

=== Abortion ===
[https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Hasan_Piker#Hasan_and_Destiny_debate_abortion On May 17, 2019], Destiny and Hasan held a brief debate regarding their respective underlying moral positions with regards to abortion. While Destiny expressed his moral reservations with regards to abortion(arguing that human-life begins at conception), he maintained that abortion should still be legally permissible given the extenuating circumstances an individual who may desire an abortion could find themselves in. Hasan agreed with Destiny's policy assessment of abortion, however, he took issue with Destiny's "arbitrary" assignment of personhood at conception. Following a brief deliberation on "personhood" in a fetus, Hasan eventually admitted to "coming up with arguments on the spot", and went on to state he had not previously thought about whether a fetus has personhood.<ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = Hasan and Destiny debate abortion: Hasan states he's coming up with arguments on the spot and has not previously thought about when a fetus has personhood
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1321
}}</ref> As a result, the majority of the debate was spent with Destiny attempting to help Hasan discover his underlying moral position on abortion, interspersed between various disagreements on the subject of personhood.

Over the course of the debate, Destiny asked Hasan's several questions pertaining to the differentiation in personhood between a one-year-old child and a fetus. When Destiny posited these questions, Hasan was unable to provide a substantive backing of any one element of personhood without making reference to some other element. This tactic was eventually [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZOr-ruA_XM&t=1678s called out by Destiny], and resolved as the two further deliberated. The debate still remained contentious following this resolution, as any trait Hasan attempted to define in the personhood of a one-year-old, Destiny was able to substantiate in a fetus(i.e. [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1268 potentiality for becoming a moral agent], and [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2299 harm to the mother]). The conversation eventually took a turn following Destiny's [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2706 attempt to use a personal anecdote] relating to his experiences with refusing to get an abortion, and Hasan arguing Destiny had not considered his partner's suffering during that experience. Destiny accused Hasan of ad-hominem, Hasan denied doing so, and the conversation continued for some time. By the end of the debate, both Hasan and Destiny(each still steadfast in their prior positions) eventually agreed that the philosophical discussion surrounding abortion is "aids".

=== Emmia, Cryptofacsicsm, and dissuading voters from Biden ===
{{disambiguation |Main Article: [[I don't really know if you're pretending or not... ft. HasanAbi & Emmia]]}}
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stdrVr9BHkE|300px|right| '''I don't really know if you're pretending or not... ft. HasanAbi & Emmia'''}}
[[Hasan_Piker#Destiny_accuses_Hasan_of_perpetuating_Crypto_Fascism_and_chides_him_for_dissuading_his_audience_against_voting_for_Biden|On June 16, 2019]], Destiny and Hasan had a contentious conversation regarding cryptofacsicsm and political pragmatism, which ultimately set the stage for their first fallout. The conversation started with Destiny and Emmia, a fellow twitch streamer, discussing her contentious interactions with Twitch's political community, where she was accused of being a Nazi due to her prior relationship with a {{wiki|Breitbart}} writer and engagement with alt-right memes. Emmia expressed regret for her involvement with these memes, but defended herself by claiming ignorance of the memes' origins and attributing some of her behavior to memory loss from SSRI medication. In response, Destiny explained the concept of cryptofacsicsm, advised Emmia to renounce her past actions, and focus on her future behavior going forward. Destiny further advises Emmia to do so regardless of individuals who would seek to bring up her past behavior, as they would likely never forgive her regardless of any repetenace she attempts.

Hasan eventually joins the call, expresses his skepticism with regards to Emima's claims, and accuses her of clout-seeking behavior. Destiny eventually steps in to defend Emmia, and Hasan responds by accusing Destiny of being overly charitable to her. Destiny counters, and accuses Hasan of perpetuating the "vicious cycle" of cryptofacsicsm by bullying a "normie" like Emmia into apologizing immediately, instead of waiting to evaluate her future behavior. Destiny further asserts that the communities Hasan inhabits, and the individuals demanding Emmia's apology, would likely never forgive her anyways. Destiny proceeds to point to the severe criticism he has received from left-leaning communities despite the breadth of progressive content he has produced.
{{blockquote|quote="There was a week's worth of chapotraphouse threads on me that said I want to fuck 19 year olds, that said I want to abandon my kid, fucking christ I've got like 7,000 videos over the past four or five years of me doing progressive work, like fuck it dude, if I haven't changed people's minds why the fuck would I tell anybody else to waste their time... And i'll maintain that position, left leaning communities are just as cancerous as right-wing communities when it comes to online discourse."
|name=[[Destiny]], responding to Hasan's demands for Emmia to apologize<ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = June
|day = 17
|title = I don’t really know if you’re pretending or not... ft. HasanAbi & Emmia
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://youtu.be/stdrVr9BHkE?t=5546
}}</ref>}}
The conversation escalates as Hasan and Destiny spend the remainder of the call debating the pragmaticism (or lack thereof) of their respective political views. Hasan accuses Destiny of routinely alienating left-leaning viewers with provocative statements, such as calling workers dumb. While Destiny counters that Hasan’s has engaged in even more divisive actions, such as recently stating in a tv interview that he wouldn't vote for Biden over Trump. Hasan argues that voting for Biden perpetuates a flawed political system, while Destiny rebukes this, pointing out the harm a Trump presidency could cause. Destiny then demands that Hasan explain his logic for abstaining from voting in the next election. Hasan explains that a vote for Biden would merely perpetuate the status-quo even further, asserts that politicians like Biden will never push for change that interferes with the "interest of capital" or corporations, and contends that Biden is "basically a Republican". Destiny counters, accusing Hasan of stating one of the most hilariously stupid things he has ever heard, remarks how individuals on the right will "literally cheer" for any republican candidate to get through in an election, and asserts that not voting for a democratic candidate because it "doesn't deal with capitalism" is an incredibly privileged position to anyone not spending all their time online "larping about socialism".

The conversation eventually concludes as Destiny accuses Hasan of being an accelerationist and unpragmatic, Hasan asserts the "neoliberalism" and capitalistic nature of the Democratic party has corrupted it, and Destiny once again criticizes Hasan of arguing from a point of extreme privilege and ignoring individuals who would suffer under a Trump presidency.

=== Kamala Harris disinformation, the first fallout ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLfAuWe3xho|300px|right| '''Hasanabi And Destiny BREAK UP Over Kamala Misinformation'''}}
{{disambiguation |Main Article: [[Hasan and Destiny Break Up Over Kamala Misinformation]]}}
[[Hasan_Piker#Hasan_and_Destiny_Break_Up_Over_Kamala_Misinformation|On July 7, 2019]] Destiny and Hasan had a very heated discussion regarding Piker's portrayal of American politician {{wiki|Kamala_Harris|Kamala Harris}} in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8alkrUF8b8 one of his videos], ultimately leading to their first major fallout.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = July
|day = 9
|title = Hasanabi And Destiny BREAK UP Over Kamala Misinformation
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLfAuWe3xho
}} </ref> Upon reviewing the underlying facts of the video ([https://youtu.be/qvKIFQ3yh-c?t=275 which Hasan states were sourced primarily from a Twitter thread on the candidate]), Destiny found that [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLfAuWe3xho&t=94s "almost every single thing Hasan said in the video was either dead wrong or horribly stretched out of what's actually happening"]. While the two spent several hours debating these underlying facts, only a few of Destiny's grievances with the video were addressed. Furthermore, the debate was mired by several instances of Hasan inadvertently speaking over Destiny due to the poor quality headset/microphone setup Destiny possessed at the time.

Prior to the call's conclusion, Hasan accuses Destiny of gaslighting, strawmanning, and creating insane hypotheticals throughout the conversation. Hasan continues, stating he "hates this shit", discusses his disdain towards accusations of [[Moral_Luck|Moral Luck]] from Destiny's community, and likens talking to Destiny to trying to speak with {{wiki|Ben_Shapiro|Ben Shapiro|.}} Destiny counters that every hypothetical posited during the conversation to Hasan was provided with the specific intent of exploring a given topic, and offers to discuss any disingenuous debate tactics he feels were used against him at a later date.

Shortly following the stream, both streamers created reddit threads detailing their feelings/takeaways from the discussion, and received their share of community feedback/criticism.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = Reddit
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = If Destiny wants to remain morally consistent, he [topic not specified]
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://old.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/cayg1e/if_destiny_wants_to_remain_morally_consistent_he/
}} </ref><ref> {{cite
|source-name = Reddit
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = On Bootyjudge
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/cbdj2w/on_bootyjudge/
}} </ref> Following an onstream addressal by Destiny of both the conversation and reddit threads, both streamers cut ties with one another for some time.<ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = July
|day = 10
|title = Hasanabi And Destiny BREAK UP Aftermath
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCsvkP_sVQw
}} </ref>

=== The N-word ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hodq77NShaA|300px|right| '''"I've never been more gaslit in my entire life..." - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More'''}}
{{disambiguation |Main Articles: [["I've never been more gaslit in my entire life..." - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More]], [[Hasan and Destiny break up over Edgy Language in private]], and [[Clarifying some previous events]]}}
On October 22, 2019 Destiny participated in a political panel hosted by [[MindWaves]]. The panel featured [[Hasan_Piker|Hasan Piker]], [[TheSerfsTV]](AKA Lance), [[Pxie]], [[Ahrelevant]], [[Bastiat]], [[Kormantine]] and [[Cole James Cash]].<ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = October
|day = 27
|title = “I’ve never been more gaslit in my entire life...” - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hodq77NShaA
}} </ref> <ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = October
|day = 27
|title = “I’ve never been more gaslit in my entire life...” - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hodq77NShaA
}}</ref> Four topics were discussed during the panel, among these topics included a recent Canadian Election, usage of the n-word in private, the {{wiki|2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries|2020 Democratic primary}}, and {{wiki|Mark_Zuckerberg|Mark Zuckerberg's}} secret meetings with Conservatives. The second topic, usage of the n-word in private, took up the bulk of the podcast's time and was by far the most tumultuous of the topics discussed.

The fallout of this topic produced the "[[What a weaselly little liar, dude]]" [[meme]], as well as one of the most prominent [[manifesto]]s written by Destiny, [[Clarifying some previous events]], also sometimes called the "N-word Manifesto", and resulted in Destiny and Hasan cutting ties with one another.

== Position on Israel/Palestine WIP==

== Position on the Russian invasion of Ukraine WIP ==
{{disambiguation |Main Article: [[Hasan Piker's Position on the Russian Invasion of Ukraine]]}}
=== Prior to invasion ===
[[File:HasanRussiaCantGoToWarUkraine.mp4 |300px|thumb|right|Hasan claims Russia can't go to war with Ukraine.]]
On February 5, 2022, President {{wiki|Joe_Biden|Joe Biden's}} senior officials informed lawmakers that {{wiki|Russia}} had gathered 70% of the forces needed to mounted a full-scale invasion of {{wiki|Ukraine}}.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = November
|day = 3
|title = Big Brain Podcast Ep. 11 ft. Destiny, Hasan Piker, The Serfs, ActualJake, Cole James Cash & more
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHkH9TthrmU
}} </ref>

On February 8, 2022, Hasan claims that {{wiki|Russia}} and {{wiki|Ukraine}} "can't go to war" and "the idea that Russia is going to do a land invasion into Ukraine is psychotic."<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2022
|month = February
|day = 9
|title = 1/2 HasanAbi February 8, 2022 – Scholz meets Biden, Putin meets Macron, States end Mask Mandates
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaLXdaVQFvM&t=2385s [[Media:HasanAmericaBloodthirsty.mp4]]}}</ref> He goes on to state "The only people that want that to happen or act like it could potentially happen are western backers of war, people that are far away, people that will stand to benefit from this because they're gonna sell weapons."

[[File:HasanAmericaBloodthristy.mp4|300px|thumb|right|Hasan claims Ukraine and Russia want to have diplomatic talks, and that "bloodthirsty maniacs have completely taken over the American government." Hasan goes on to praise China's efforts in expanding it's influence, and laudes former president Donald Trump for his handling of {{wiki|North_korea|North Korea}}.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube (Archived)
|year = 2022
|month = February
|day = 16
|title = [No title provided]
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://web.archive.org/web/20220216180957/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LStCD3Mntrw
|note = Timestamp: 28 minutes into VOD
}}</ref>]]

On February 11, 2022, reports from the {{wiki|White_House|White House}} warned of an imminent Ukrainian invasion and urged citizens to flee the country immediately.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = The New York Times
|year = 2022
|month = February
|day = 11
|title = Russia-Backed Separatists Conduct Military Exercises, Ukraine Warns
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/11/world/europe/ukraine-russia-diplomacy.html
}} </ref> That same day, Hasan states Ukraine and Russia truly want peace and that the US is "acting sus". Minutes later, Hasan listens to a press conference from Putin about how Ukraine joining NATO would mean all of {{wiki|Europe}} joining a war with Russia. Hasan uses this speech to critique U.S. leadership, saying, "Does this sound like a person who's like 'I'm gonna invade Ukraine?' No, he's saying [he] doesn't want Ukraine to be a part of NATO."<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2022
|month = February
|day = 12
|title = 1/2 HasanAbi February 11, 2022 – Russia-Ukraine Stunlock, Frozen Afghanistan Central Bank Assets
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://youtu.be/02zchSt0f4M?t=5648 [[Media:HasanPutinPeace.mp4]]
}} </ref>

On February 15, 2022, in response to reports that "diplomacy is continuing to work", Hasan tweets the following:
{{tweet
|pfp =File:HasanXpfp.jpg ‎
|username =hasanabi
|@ =hasanthehun
|body =
“no way dude that’s crazy!!!!!!!! hopefully everyone in my chat who thought war was imminent will now come in w a new perspective. engage in some self examination as to why you got blindsided by msms war drums once again."
|source = https://x.com/hasanthehun/status/1493627335542669315
|time = 11:44 AM
|date = Feb 15, 2022
}}

On February 16, 2022, Hasan uploads a video titled "I WAS RIGHT ABOUT WAR IN UKRAINE" with a description that reads "Are we going to war? No. [Russia] was never going to invade Ukraine, and the western media has been fear mongering and banging the war drums the whole time."<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube (Archived)
|year = 2022
|month = February
|day = 16
|title = [No title provided]
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://web.archive.org/web/20220216180957/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LStCD3Mntrw
}} </ref> In the video, Hasan praises himself for predicting Russia failure to invade Ukraine. Hasan bases this assumption on reports stating Russia claimed they were pulling back some of their troops from the border.
<ref> {{cite
|source-name = BBC News
|year = 2022
|month = February
|day = 15
|title = Ukraine-Russia tensions: Russia pulls some troops back from border
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60386141
}} </ref> Hasan would go on to react to a press conference in which Biden states the claims have not been verified, and that an invasion is still possible. Hasan laughs this off, noting how silly it is for Biden to push diplomacy while also urging Americans to leave the country.<ref>File:HasanRussiaUkraineNoinvasion.mp4 https://web.archive.org/web/20220216180957/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LStCD3Mntrw</ref> In his closing remarks, he criticizes the "bloodthirsty maniacs that have completely taken over the American government."<ref> https://wikicdn.destiny.gg/b/b5/HasanAmericaBloodthristy.mp4 https://web.archive.org/web/20220216180957/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LStCD3Mntrw </ref>
[[File:HasanRussiaUkraineWesterinDisinformation.mp4|300px|thumb|right|Hasan arguing rumours of Russia potentially bombing and invading Kyiv are unfounded, and based off western State Department lies.]]

On February 16, 2022, Hasan tweets the following:
{{tweet
|pfp =File:HasanXpfp.jpg ‎
|username =hasanabi
|@ =hasanthehun
|body =
“this is the hill i will die on. russia cannot launch an urban counter insurgency war in a neighboring country w/ 44 million ppl. with or without nato support. this is why i have been saying he won’t invade ukraine. not because of anything else. he’s a bad person not a mad one."
|source = https://x.com/hasanthehun/status/1494333232774467592
|time = 10:29 AM
|date = Feb 17, 2022
}}

=== Following the invasion ===
On February 21, 2022, it is reported that Putin has ordered the Russian military to enter southeast Ukraine to perform "peacekeeping duties".<ref> Roth, A., & Borger, J. (2022, February 21). Putin orders troops into eastern Ukraine on “peacekeeping duties.” The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/21/ukraine-putin-decide-recognition-breakaway-states-today </ref> Following this news, Hasan admits that Russia has in fact invaded Ukraine. However, Hasan tempers this admission, and argues "There's been a lot of information that has been wrong -- completely wrong -- and there's still a lot of information that the western State Department is pumping out [...] like Russia is going to go and overtake Kyiv and they're going to go into Ukraine."<ref>HasanAbi. (2022, February 22). I Was Wrong About Ukraine.. YouTube. https://youtu.be/aE5X0PxBGWg?t=29 [[Media:HasanRussiaUkraineWesterinDisinformation.mp4]]</ref>In the same video, when asked about why he thinks a lot of the information from the State Department is wrong, he cites their predictions that Russia will bomb and invade Kyiv.<ref>HasanAbi. (2022, February 22). I Was Wrong About Ukraine.. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=557&v=aE5X0PxBGWg&feature=youtu.be</ref>

On February 24, 2022, Russia launches an attack for control of Kyiv.<ref> Wikipedia Contributors. (2024, November 19). Northern front of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Wikipedia; Wikimedia Foundation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_front_of_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine </ref>

== Position on Taiwan WIP ==

== Community Moderation Issues WIP ==
=== Ethan Klein ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukk_tYX_pmA|300px|right| '''Ethan Genuinely Calls Out Hasan And Blasts His Far Left Community
'''}}
On September 26, 2021 [[Ethan_Klein|Ethan Klien]] (aka H3H3) and Hasan debuted {{wiki|Leftovers_(podcast)|Leftovers}}, a leftist political podcast. The podcast focused on politics, and internet culture and featured guests such as [[Amouranth]], and [[Andrew Callaghan]].<ref>Wikipedia Contributors. (2024, September 4). Leftovers (podcast). Wikipedia; Wikimedia Foundation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leftovers_(podcast)‌ </ref>

In October of 2023 Ethan announced that Leftovers would go on hiatus indefinitely as a result of tension and stress from conversations related to the {{wiki|2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war|2023 Israel-Hamas war|.}}<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eeM3WHnZlk Ethan Announces Leftovers is Taking a Break]. YouTube.</ref>.

On October 31, 2023 these tensions seemed to flare up even moreso than before, with Ethan taking a more assertive approach towards his criticism of Hasan's coverage of the conflict<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/17kwarr/ethan_calls_out_hasan_for_his_hospital_coverage/ Ethan's Criticism of Hasan]. Reddit. Retrieved 2023 Oct 31.</ref>.

On November 9, 2023 Ethan and Hasan had another conversation/argument about the meaning of the phrase 'From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free'<ref> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14o7MyLuYz0 Actual boring stream today until 7 PM, then panel debate later with Alex and friends at 8 PM]. YouTube VOD. Retrieved 2023 Nov 9.</ref>.
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyLb-Pl5lwk|300px|right| '''Hasan Wants Ethan To Stand Down
'''}}
On September 12, 2024 Ethan criticised a {{wiki|TikTok}} editor of Hasan's for defending {{wiki|Letter_to_the_American_People|Bin Laden's letter to America}}.<ref> [[Media:HasanEthanReply.jpg]]</ref><ref>[[Media:HasanEthanReply4.jpg]]</ref> A moderator of Hasan's stream, [[Frogan]], took issue with Ethan's statements and requested for him to "shut up". In response, Ethan issued two separate statements:
# Ethan argues that a Hasan moderator telling a Jewish man such as himself to "shut up" about Bin Laden's hatred towards jews is reprehensible. Ethan goes on to claim Frogan's voice is not "fringe" within Hasan's community, and cites this as the primary reason he ended his podcast with Hasan.<ref> [[Media:HasanEthanReply2.jpg]] </ref>
# Ethan condemns Hasan for allowing an official representative of his community to behave in such a reprehensible manner, and argues that Hasan's continual hand waving of her horrific behavior is essentially an implicit endorsement.<ref> [[Media:HasanEthanReply3.jpg]]</ref>

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While Hasan derided his community for this behavior, he maintained that Ethan was unjustified in issuing any response to Frogan.<ref> https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1fglnba/hasan_then_vs_hasan_now_when_it_comes_to_his/ </ref><ref>[[Media:HasanEthanFroganDefense.mp4]]</ref>

=== Destiny WIP===
* [https://youtu.be/oCsvkP_sVQw?t=279 4:39] Destiny explains that he typically walks away from conversations with Hasan feeling bad about his community's treatment of him. Destiny explains that he has recently attempted to "flip" this mindset, and look at how Hasan's community treats himself after their conversations. Destiny notes that Hasan and his community have levied almost every criticism towards himself that Destiny has ever received from individuals on the right he has debated.
* [https://youtu.be/oCsvkP_sVQw?t=307 5:07] Destiny reads a highly upvoted comment from Hasan's subreddit, and argues the contents are indistinguishable from a comment in a 4chan thread.

== Antisemitism and Support of Terrorist organizations ==
{{disambiguation |Main Article: [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Hasan_Piker%27s_Support_of_Known_Terrorist_Organizations_on_Twitch Hasan Piker's Support of Known Terrorist Organizations on Twitch]}}
{{disambiguation |Main Article: [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Hasan_Piker%27s_Use_of_%27Inbred%27_in_Reference_to_Jews Hasan Piker's Use of 'Inbred' in Reference to Jews]}}
Twitch holds explicit [https://safety.twitch.tv/s/article/Community-Guidelines?language=en_US guidelines] relating to acceptable behavior for streamers both on and off the platform. These guidelines include prohibitions against hateful conduct, such as discrimination based on protected characteristics like religion, as well as prohibitions against the displayal or promotion of terrorist or extremist propaganda. Despite this, Piker has routinely referred to individuals of the {{wiki|Jewish}} faith as {{wiki|inbred}} and expressed support for various internationally recognized {{wiki|List_of_designated_terrorist_groups|terrorist organizations}}.<ref> Twitch’s new CEO defends job cuts, plans creator meeting. (2023). Tradealgo.com. Eric Ng https://www.tradealgo.com/news/twitchs-new-ceo-defends-job-cuts-plans-creator-meeting#:~:text=Clancy%20isn%27t%20a%20gamer%20himself%2C%20but%20he%20mostly%20watches%20musicians%20or%20talk%20shows%20on%20Twitch%20instead.%20In%20particular%2C%20he%20enjoys%20the%20political%20commentary%20posted%20by%20left%2Dwing%20commentator%20Hasan%20Piker%2C%20who%20has%202.5%20million%20followers%20on%20the%20platform. </ref><ref> streamstream. (2024, July 27). Twitch and Dan Clancy wish Hasan a happy birthday. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7TmXbKK9Iw‌ [[Media:ClancyHasanBirthday.mp4]]</ref>

== Propagation of Anti-Democratic Party Messaging ==
{{disambiguation |Main Article: [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Hasan_Piker%27s_Propagation_of_Anti-Democratic_Party_Messaging Hasan Piker's Propagation of Anti-Democratic Party Messaging]}}

Despite sporadically being brought to the forefront of mainstream left-wing America media, and occasionally engaging with {{wiki|Democratic_Party_(United_States)|Democratic}} politicians, Hasan has routinely participated in the propagation of Anti-Democratic party messaging. This messaging has included mocking mainstream Democratic politicians/the actions of the party, spreading lies about potential Democratic candidates during critical election cycles, and refusing to direct his audience to vote for Democratic candidates.

== On stream appearances with Destiny ==

=== Destiny has a pre-debate discussion with Hasan ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA|300px|right| '''The Most Oppressed Group - Pre-debate Debate with Hasan Piker'''}}
On October 9th, 2018 [[Destiny]] engaged in a "pre-debate debate" with Hasan. This discussion was held in preparation for a future {{wiki|Politicon}} appearance Hasan would have with [[Charlie Kirk]].<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = October
|day = 9
|title = The Most Oppressed Group - Pre-debate Debate with Hasan Piker
|retrieved-date = 2024, January 29
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9iPLU3fAFA
}} </ref> Hasan begins the conversation cordially, praising Destiny for being "awesome," citing his "excellent" content, and expressing that he "really likes what he's about." From there, the two engage in a lighthearted conversation discussing topics such as Neoliberalism, Destiny's political and gaming background, the current political climate, and Hasan's upcoming debate with Charlie Kirk. Other topics discussed include, Destiny and Hasan's political perspectives, prior debate experiences with conservatives, and a disagreement Hasan had with Destiny regarding the successfulness of Donald Trump as a president.

{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Discussion Highlights
|-
|
'''Destiny's Political Perspective'''
 
[https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=303 5:03] Hasan inquires about what Destiny's political perspective is, Destiny responds that he aligns pretty closely with anyone on the left with regards to social issues. However, with regards to economic policy, Destiny states he's a big fan of market forces and capitalism, and likely more closely aligns with conservatives. He tempers this by saying he's okay with a healthy amount of government intervention, to which he proclaims himself a {{wiki|social_democrat|Social Democrat}} or {{wiki|neo-liberal||.}} Hasan takes issue with this, and warns Destiny against calling himself a neoliberal, citing the ideology as being a "full subscription to deny that capitalism has like any sort of faults." Destiny disagrees with this framing, and the two discuss what the true definition of Neoliberalism is. Eventually Hasan concludes that Neoliberalism is simply "anybody who looks at socialism with disdain," or wants to create hurdles for issues such as Medicare for all.
 
'''Hasan's Political Perspective'''
 
[https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=835 13:55] Hasan asserts that he is "more to the left than the majority of TYT", and that the organization is a good "gateway" to leftist politics. Hasan recommends Destiny's audience check out {{wiki|Chapo_Trap_House|Chapo Trap House}} to look for an adequate critique of Neoliberalism. Destiny admits he is hesitant to recommend the podcast, due to their tendency to "relentlessly shit on liberals". Hasan then explains that the criticism these liberals receive is due in part to their tendency to "hold up oligarchs" and create a false narrative that "everything is fine", and that comprise can be reached with Republicans.
 
'''Hasan's Facebook group'''
 
[https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=1226 20:26] Hasan discusses a Facebook group he runs, wherein several people of varying political beliefs are members and are unified by their shared enjoyment of his streams. He goes on to discuss how the Stalinists and Neoliberals of the group tend to fight with one another, and confesses how he more closely aligns with the Stalinists who claim that "everything the United States does is bad".
 
'''Prior debate experiences with conservatives'''
 
[https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=2893 48:13] Destiny and Hasan discuss their prior debates/experiences with conservatives. The two mention how the perceived victim complex many modern day conservatives maintain, makes them very frustrating interlocutors. At one point during this discussion, Hasan briefly mentions that he's "not on board" with an authoritarian state assertion of power despite the fact that he calls himself a socialist.
 
'''Destiny and Hasan discuss Sam Harris, Hasan shares his appreciation for Destiny'''
 
[https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=4297 1:11:37] Destiny and Hasan discuss {{wiki|Sam Harris||,}} and American imperialism. Destiny expresses his uncomfortability with some of Sam's views, as he tends to "come out swinging very hard for Judeo-Christian values". Hasan echoes this sentiment, and adds that Sam tends to "otherize" Islam as being an inherently violent religion but never acknowledges the consequences of American Imperialism. Destiny agrees, and pokes fun at the double-standards which seem to be prevalent in America society, comparing the reaction to an Islamic nation going to war for Allah with the response if someone like [[Donald Trump]] declared the Bible as the most important book ever written, or {{wiki|George_W._Bush|George W. Bush}} saying he "prays before making any decision."
 
[https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=5032 1:23:52] Hasan remarks that Destiny is "doing a really important job" by debating people on the right.
 
'''Was Trump a successful president?'''
 
[https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=5271 1:27:51] Hasan discusses a debate Destiny had, in which he doesn't fully agree with a position Destiny posited regarding the success of Donald Trump as a president. Hasan claims Trump has been incredibly successful as a Republican president because his underlying positions are just "regular fucking conservative principles". Hasan elaborates that his positions are all the "modern GOP positions" but his rhetoric is just different, and is just more appealing to his base voters. He goes on to point to things such as the Republican Tax plan, the "destruction" of the EPA", and the "destruction" of the financial protection bureau. He concludes that this is all "regular republican shit" that Trump was able to accomplish in an authoritarian fashion. Destiny responds that Trump has caused a very deep division within the Republican party, citing instances such as Trumples mocking {{wiki|John_McCain|John McCain}} for being a war hero making it very difficult for them to see eye-to-eye with other Republicans. Destiny then discuss how Trump fans and supporters "fucking hate" establishment Republicans, citing the tendency of these groups to trash moderate Republicans just as hard as certain left leaning groups (i.e. calling them Rhinos). Destiny concludes that he's unsure what kind of damage will happen to the party once Trump is gone, pointing to how a candidate like {{wiki|Marco_Rubio|Marco Rubio}} could have difficulty pandering to this new-extreme base.
 
'''Hasan's critique of Charlie Kirk'''
 
[https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=8260 2:17:40] At one point while the pair are watching a {{wiki|PragerU}} video together, Charlie Kirk asserts "capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system, and that socialism always leads to poverty." Hasan pauses the video and exclaims "why would anyone make that argument, that argument is bananas." He then expresses confusion as to how Kirk can label these colleges as liberal. Hasan concludes that Kirk just wants college campuses to be more racist.
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{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
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* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=56 0:56] Hasan and Destiny greet each other.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=303 5:03] The two have a discussion on Neoliberalism.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=668 11:08] Destiny provides some nuance on his perspective with regards to the ACA failing, in that the US did not get a significant reduction in the cost of healthcare.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=811 13:31] Destiny states he's a consequentialist, looking to increase the standards of living for most people through policy.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=948 15:48] Hasan recommends Destiny's audience check out Chapo Trap House to look for an adequate critique of Neoliberalism.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=1324 22:04] Hasan asserts that America's existence has been devastating for the world in very meaningful ways.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=1529 25:29] Destiny and Hasan discuss their experiences with highschool and college math. The two then discuss masculinity in US media, and metal gear solid.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=1828 30:28] Destiny laments the tendency of conservatives to not engage with issues such as Education and Healthcare in the United States.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=1999 33:19] A chatter rickrolls Hasan.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=2031 33:51] Hasan asks Destiny what the best way to have a productive conversation is. Destiny confesses very few of the conversations on his channel are productive.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=2147 35:47] Destiny discusses an edgy position he holds: "You should be able to say whatever word you want, at any point in time, and it shouldn't have to have racist or derogatory connotations to it. But if I use certain words there's going to be some people that watch me, who will feel like i'm reinforcing some negative/racist belief they have... All satire has been totally fucking destroyed".
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=2288 38:03] Destiny remarks how he'd always speak out in solidarity for content creators(even those he disagrees with) that were banned off certain platforms, and how some of these same content creators celebrated his own ban off certain platforms. The two then discuss their grievances with "classical liberals".
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=2703 45:03] Destiny discusses how if conservatives weren't racist, they'd be able to lock in much more voters due to the regressive values many traditional immigrants hold.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=2893 48:13] Destiny and Hasan discuss [https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Anthony_Brian_Logan Anthony Brian Logan], and other debates with conservatives Destiny has had.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=3206 53:26] Hasan calls himself a socialist.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=3276 54:36] Hasan derides the "capitalist vultures over at ABC" for firing {{wiki|Roseanne_Barr|Roseanne Barr|.}} Hasan goes on to discuss how she toted the line between acceptable and unacceptable racism. The two then discuss the perceived "oppression" of conservatives.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=4012 1:06:52] Hasan and Destiny discuss the racism of certain immigrant demographics.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=4297 1:11:37] Hasan and Destiny discuss {{wiki|Sam_Harris|Sam Harris|.}}
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=4590 1:16:30] Hasan and Destiny discuss {{wiki|Jordan_Peterson|Jordan Peterson|.}}
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=4907 1:21:47] Hasan asks Destiny: "What is something that has changed in your political perspective throughout time". Destiny responds that his goal has always been to find the "most correct position" which contorts with his base values as much as possible. Destiny explains that as a result of this, he tends to lean more left.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=5032 1:23:52] Hasan remarks that Destiny is "doing a really important job" by debating people on the right.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=5158 1:25:58] Destiny discusses how he plans to vote and engage in more electoral politics, despite having voter apathy and "hating democracy". Hasan applauds Destiny for this.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=5303 1:28:23] Hasan discusses a disagreement he has with Destiny regarding the successfulness of Donald Trump as a president.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=5815 1:36:55] Destiny discusses his frustrations with debating centrists. Hasan then questions why Destiny is so hesitant to name himself as "someone on the left", to which Destiny responds he's not "a leftie, communist, tankie, or socialist... I just feel most of my positions are incredibly reasonable, and I could bring most people without much effort... I just have these positions that make me look like i'm so extremely on the left... when debating these people"
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=6102 1:41:42] Hasan questions Destiny about his libertarian past.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=6292 1:44:52] Destiny and Hasan discuss a Prager video.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=6576 1:49:36] Hasan struggles to find a Dave Rubin quote to share with Destiny.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=6949 1:55:49] Hasan and Destiny take a pee break, then discuss Hasan's upcoming politicon debate.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=7394 2:03:14] Hasan discusses Charlie Kirk's professor watch list, then begin watching a PragerU video.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=8260 2:17:40] In the video, Charlie Kirk asserts "capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system, and that socialism always leads to poverty."Hasan exclaims "why would anyone make that argument, that argument is bananas." He then expresses confusion as to how Kirk can label these colleges as liberal.
* [https://youtu.be/r9iPLU3fAFA?t=8962 2:29:22] Hasan and Destiny say their goodbyes.
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=== Destiny reacts to a Politicon panel featuring Hasan and Charlie Kirk. Hasan and Destiny discuss the following day ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://youtu.be/uenf3uYDKBE|300px|right| '''POLITICON - DESTINY REACTS.'''}}
==== Destiny's reaction to the Politicon Panel ====
On October 20, 2018 Destiny reacted to a Politicon panel featuring featuring Hasan and Charlie Kirk.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = October
|day = 22
|title = POLITICON - DESTINY REACTS
|retrieved-date = 2024, January 19
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uenf3uYDKBE
}} </ref> The primary focus of the panel was: "Whether young people should be progressives, conservatives, or perhaps something else". Destiny was mildly impressed by certain aspects of Hasan's debate performance. He appreciated Hasan's ability to challenge and critique various points, particularly in the context of discussing systemic issues and the limitations of free-market solutions. He also recognized the difficulty Hasan faced in addressing complex topics such as healthcare, education, and wealth distribution, in the face of a practiced "Gish-Galloper" such as Charlie Kirk. He did however offer a few critiques:

* Destiny suggested that Hasan could benefit from incorporating more 'scummy tactics' used in live debates. Destiny explains that tactics such as strategic interjections and rebuttals tailored to the format, especially facing an individual such as Charlie Kirk, would have seen immense results.
* Destiny argued that Hasan could improve in how he handles the framing set by his opponents, particularly in redirecting or countering their narratives.

{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
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Highlights from Destiny's reaction include:
* [https://youtu.be/uenf3uYDKBE?t=378 6:18] Highlighting a critical talking point missed by Hasan, Destiny counters an argument put forth by Charlie Kirk that "it's a good thing more individuals are off food-stamps". Destiny maintains that such an indicator is a poor barometer for the success of a nation, and that other indicators such as level of education, access to food stamps, access to healthcare, housing, and luxury goods are far better indicators of success.
* [https://youtu.be/uenf3uYDKBE?t=463 7:43] Hasan agrees with Charlie Kirk that "we should reject socialism". Destiny pauses the video, and argues that Hasan agreeing with Kirk in this instance makes him look very weak.
* [https://youtu.be/uenf3uYDKBE?t=1657 27:37] When discussing the socialization of medical systems, Kirk mentions Lasik eye surgery and argues that the existence of insurance makes healthcare far more expensive. Realizing Kirk is regurgitating talking points from a video Destiny himself had once fallen victim to during his more right-leaning years, Destiny pulls up the video and proceeds to mock Kirk for not understanding the "elasticity" of certain services.
* [https://youtu.be/uenf3uYDKBE?t=2738 45:38] Charlie Kirk remarks that the most poor and destitute cities are owned by Democrats. Destiny pauses the video, laughs mockingly, and states that Kirk has every "fucking meme talking point". Shortly after resuming the video, Destiny pauses it once more to point out that the gish-gallop is destroying Hasan, and he cannot allow Kirk to ramble on.
* [https://youtu.be/uenf3uYDKBE?t=3901 1:05:01] After Kirk interrupts Hasan and asks for a moment to speak, Destiny remarks that he feels like Kirk has spoken quite a bit more than Hasan during this panel.
* [https://youtu.be/uenf3uYDKBE?t=4448 1:14:08] After being pushed by Kirk, Hasan shares that he only makes $60,000 a year. Hasan's uncle, [[Cenk Uygur]], proceeds to shout at Kirk from the crowd.
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==== Discussion with Hasan ====
{{#ev:youtube|https://https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4|300px|right| ''' Politicon 2018 - Post-debate Debate with Hasan Piker.'''}}
On October 21, 2018 Destiny and Hasan engaged in a three-and-a-half-hour long discussion regarding Hasan's recent debate experience at Politicon.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = October
|day = 24
|title = Politicon 2018 - Post-debate Debate with Hasan Piker
|retrieved-date = 2024, January 19
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jRhGapcaK4
}} </ref> The conversation begins with Destiny explaining to Hasan that he did not necessarily dislike the points he attempted to convey to Kirk, but was critical of his attempts to get those points across. Hasan agreed with this sentiment, and pointed to Kirk's tactics of outright lying, {{wiki|Gish_gallop|Gish Galloping|,}} moving the goalposts, and crafting messages for "applause breaks" as being very frustrating to deal with. Destiny sympathised with this, agreeing the debate tactics employed by Kirk are very hard to deal with in real time, particularly in a live format. From there, the two discussed tactics Hasan could have employed better in the debate, their grievances with modern day conservatives, and the best methods in reaching out to a broader audience.
 
{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
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'''Dealing with Gish Galloping'''
 
[https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=619 10:19] : Destiny tells Hasan the best way to counter a debate opponent Gish Galloping, particularly in a live format, is to pose them questions at the end which every member of the audience would be able to identify with. Destiny goes on to provide the example of {{wiki|Bernie_Sanders|Bernie Sanders}} hammering home the same three talking points (1% getting richer, jobs suck, lack of affordability of healthcare). Destiny then pointedly suggests Hasan could have posed questions like this on the back end of every one of Kirk's monologues, and Kirk would come out looking worse for it.
 
'''Holding Opponents Accountable'''
 
[https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=1016 16:56]: Destiny encourages Hasan to firmly challenge Kirk's controversial statements, like those suggesting Democratic policies lead to violence in Chicago.
 
'''Refraining from Communist-like rhetoric'''
 
[https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=2869 47:44]: Hasan references a communist individual in his community, who advised him to point his arguments more towards a criticism of capitalism. Destiny tells Hasan to never listen to individuals like this. Destiny goes on to advise Hasan to take on more "nazi-rhetoric" in that he should present his ideas as "positive-things" for the benefit of the country. He compares this against communist rhetoric that tends to include phrases such as "eat the rich".
 
'''Handling leading questions in a debate'''
 
[https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=6131 1:42:1]: Destiny informs Hasan "whenever someone asks you a question, the reason why they're doing that is because they know what answer you're going to give, so they've already got the response prepared. Anytime you're in a debate with somebody, if they ask you a question that seems very obvious...you have to know that if you answer... they're ready to go into it."
 
'''Neoliberalism'''
 
[https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=8367 2:19:27]: Hasan and Destiny discuss Neoliberalism. Hasan states Neoliberalism has a more "hawkish" perspective, and fails to acknowledge the failures of free market. Destiny cautions Hasan against this perspective, and jokingly suggests he already has seven Neoliberals already typing him up emails suggesting the contrary. Destiny states he has no strong stance one way or the other, but points out there are Neoliberals that seem okay and some that seem quite extreme. Hasan then jokingly suggests "Neoliberals love getting owned", and cautions Destiny against calling himself one.
 
'''Using Free-Market arguments against Conservatives'''
 
[https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=10027 2:47:07]: Destiny provides Hasan a "silver-fucking-bullet" to conservative hypocrisy. He points to how Conservatives tend to state the free-market will solve everything, then how these same individuals will complain when they're banned from social media platforms.
 
'''The stock market as an indicator for prosperity'''
 
[https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=7573 2:06:13]: At one point, Hasan attempts to provide Destiny with a talking point regarding the stock market being a poor indicator for prosperity. Destiny, acknowledges this, and finishes Hasan's point stating: "oh yeah, because the average American doesn't hold a lot of securities." Destiny goes on to point to a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3gsp3J3HKc debate] with {{wiki|Jacob_Wohl|Jacob Wohl|,}} where he made this exact argument.
 
'''Having counterexamples on hand'''
 
[https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=11273 3:07:53]: Destiny recommends Hasan have a list of "capitalist countries that are fucking up" to counter Kirk's examples of socialist countries performing poorly. Hasan then expresses his disdain for this type of strategy citing it as being intellectually dishonest.
 
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Hasan concludes the conversation by thanking Destiny. He notes that his audience was initially skeptical, and assumed Destiny was a social democrat. However, they have now "fallen in love" with him as a result of this conversation. Hasan then raids Destiny's channel, and offers to help "tag-team" someone in a debate should Destiny ever wish.

{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
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* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=178 2:58] Hasan informs Destiny that he watches his debates all the time and welcomes any criticism from him , regardless how harsh it may be.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=619 10:19] Destiny advises Hasan on how to counter a Gish Gallop.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=1016 16:56] Destiny suggests to Hasan that he should have held Kirk's "feet to the fire" in certain instances where he said some "real dumb shit". Destiny cited instances such as Kirk suggesting Democrat policies were causing black people to be killed in Chicago.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=1214 20:14] Lamenting how Conservatives mock Socialists for suggesting true socialism has never existed, Hasan suggests that these individuals do the same with regards to capitalism. Destiny takes issue with this, and suggests that he would actually "push back here really hard, because I am a liberal". Destiny goes on to argue that when he has to argue in favor of liberalism/capitalism, it's very hard to argue as he must defend his very real/flaw system against an ideal. Destiny then provides Hasan various strategies he could utilize to better advocate his proposed socialist system.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=1911 31:51] In response to an argument from Kirk that Hasan should give up 95% of his salary if he's a socialist, Hasan admits he has no clue how to respond. Destiny provides Hasan some argumentative suggestions, one of which highlights the great personal harm one would incur should they give up the majority of their income to the IRS, with little benefit to society.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=2228 37:08] Hasan criticizes the tendency of the left to be quick to label individuals as Nazis. The conversation continues and Destiny later remarks that Hasan is "an intelligent guy" and suggests that he should engage in more debates with individuals he encounters online to sharpen his debate skills.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=2581 43:01] Hasan asks Destiny what specific points he should be working on in order to improve his debate skills. Destiny advises Hasan that the issue was not so much his points, but his rhetoric.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=2869 47:44] Hasan references a communist individual in his community, who advised him to point his arguments more towards a criticism of capitalism. Destiny tells Hasan to never listen to individuals like this, and Hasan jokingly agrees. Destiny goes on to advise Hasan to take on more "nazi-rhetoric" in that he should present his ideas as "positive-things" for the benefit of the country. He compares this against communist rhetoric that tends to include phrases such as "eat the rich".
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=3799 1:03:19] Hasan claims: "in the 66 minute debate, Charlie interrupted me 76 times".
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=4492 1:14:52] Destiny suggests Hasan counters Kirk's comparisons of the United States to Cuba with "why are we comparing ourselves to nations like Cuba".
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=5982 1:39:42] Destiny warns Hasan about arguing against {{wiki|Citizens_United_v._FEC|Citizens United}}
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=6131 1:42:1] Destiny informs Hasan that "whenever someone asks you a question, the reason why they're doing that is because they know what answer you're going to give, so they've already got the response prepared. Anytime you're in a debate with somebody, if they ask you a question that seems very obvious...you have to know that if you answer... they're ready to go into it."
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=6985 1:56:25] Destiny points to Hasan how Kirk tends to end his points on very strong statements.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=7040 1:57:20] Hasan claims socialism is not his position, and his counters to Kirk's points are rooted in Social Democracy.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=7894 2:11:34] Hasan exclaims he'd like to kill Charlie Kirk.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=8304 2:18:24] Destiny informs Hasan how schools receive funding.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=8367 2:19:27] Hasan and Destiny discuss Neoliberalism.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=8493 2:21:33] Hasan and Destiny mock the conservative argument of "just move".
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=9678 2:41:18] Destiny advises Hasan how to best approach arguments against lobbying.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=9864 2:44:24] Destiny restates an argument regarding federal non-discretionary funding Hasan attempted to make to Kirk. Hasan acknowledges that he made the same point but Destiny stated it more eloquently.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=10027 2:47:07] Destiny provides Hasan a free-market argument to use against conservatives.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=10168 2:49:28] Hasan informs Destiny "this argument is also for you... I never hear you mention this" with regards to the stock market not being a good indicator for success. Destiny, does in fact acknowledge this, and once again succinctly finishes Hasan's point by stating "oh yeah, because the average American doesn't hold a lot of securities."
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=10650 2:57:30] Hasan admits he's not the best debater.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=10894 3:01:34] Hasan claims capitalism does not have an answer to artificial intelligence and automation.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=11273 3:07:53] Destiny provides a recommendation to Hasan relating to counterexamples.
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=11511 3:11:51] After exclaiming Kirk is a "fucking pussy', Hasan apologizes to any female viewers and makes a note on his stream of "no ableism in chat".
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=11919 3:18:39] Destiny provides Hasan the talking point "freedom means nothing without access".
* [https://youtu.be/9jRhGapcaK4?t=12400 3:26:40] Hasan and Destiny discuss Kirk's company.
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=== Hasan and Destiny meet in-person ===
[[File:HasanFordFocus.png|300px|thumb|right|Hasan striking a pose near Destiny's Nitrous Blue Ford Focus ]]
On November 1, 2018 Destiny and Hasan spent an evening together and had dinner in-person.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = November
|day = 1
|title = Meeting with Hasanabi
|retrieved-date = 2024, February 12
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVf1hMt-XbI
}}</ref>

=== Hasan's Richard Lewis Debate - Post-debate discussion with Hasan ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8|300px|right| ''' Hasan’s Richard Lewis Debate - Post-debate Debate with Hasan Piker.'''}}
On November 2, 2018 Hasan engaged in a debate with esports journalist [[Richard Lewis]] regarding several hot-button topics at the time. Topics included the Mainstream Media, Donald Trump, Shifting Demographics, and Obama Era Deportations. <ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = November
|day = 2
|title = Richard Lewis Semantics Expert
|retrieved-date = 2024, February 2
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1OXF6IEBFc
}} </ref> The call concluded with Lewis describing Hasan as a "diet Destiny".

On November 6, 2018 Hasan and Destiny reacted to a vod of the debate together.<ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = November
|day = 9
|title = Hasan’s Richard Lewis Debate - Post-debate Debate with Hasan Piker
|retrieved-date = 2024, February 2
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8
}} </ref> At the onset of the stream, the two experience several delays due to technical difficulties primarily attributed to synchronizing the audio of both the vods they are watching, low-volume, and Destiny hearing an echo from Hasan's stream(Hasan did not have headphones at the time). Destiny eventually decides that Hasan should simply watch his stream while he reacts to the vod, Hasan points out that Destiny's stream has a five-second delay, to which Destiny responds Hasan can just "scream" if he wants the video paused. Destiny immediately retracts this idea, and settles on just screensharing the video through discord(only after Destiny berates the chatter who suggested this alternative). From this point, Destiny's stream is left with the muffled audio of Hasan's debate with Richard Lewis, which the two react to for the remainder of the call.

Throughout the video, Destiny levies several critiques of Lewis at both a personal and argumentative level. Destiny calls Lewis "spineless" for his behavior following the [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/JonTron#Destiny_debates_JonTron_on_immigration_and_assimilation JonTron Debate], citing Lewis' claim that he had made Jontron appear racist through debate-tactics. Destiny also ridicules Lewis for being under the control of esports broadcaster, [https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Thorin Thorin], describing him as being on a “little leash” held by the broadcaster whenever he forms an opinion. On an argumentative level, Destiny critiques Lewis's tendency to gish gallop Hasan at several points during the debate, disputes Lewis's views on American Exceptionalism in journalism, and criticizes the way figures like Lewis struggle when faced with facts which stand in direct opposition to their claims. While watching the video, Hasan observes that Lewis often claims their conversation is "not a debate" and uses this assertion to dodge pressure or clarification on issues. Hasan suggests that Lewis's likely only joined his stream for the sake of gaining clout from his stream, a point with which Destiny agrees. Destiny and Hasan went on to critique many of Lewis' defenses for Donald Trump, primarily relating to the hypocrisy of Conservatives when defending Republican figures and attacking Democratic ones, and the tendency of centrists like Lewis to use liberalism as a "convenient suit" to push any argument they may be in favor of.

{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Discussion Highlights
|-
|
'''Technical Delays'''
 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=00 0:00]: Destiny and Hasan try to synchronize the vod on their streams, leading to several minutes of technical delays. Eventually, Destiny's stream captures only a faint recording of Hasan's debate with Richard Lewis, to which they react for the remainder of the call.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=990 16:30]: As the audio was being played through Hasan's speakers, whenever Hasan speaks, the audio from the video is muted. A frustrated Destiny decides to pause the video and fruitlessly work on a solution with Hasan to settle this issue. No solution is found, and the two continue with the video.
 
'''Destiny's personal grievances with Richard Lewis'''
 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=382 6:22]: Destiny pauses the video and derides Lewis' tendency to justify some positions with the claim that he has "a lot of multicultural friends". Hasan then questions Destiny's past relationship with Lewis, stating he thought they were "best-friends" at one point. Destiny informs Hasan that they were friends, but not particularly close. He then discusses Lewis' perceived "spinelessness", and points to his silence during the JonTron Debate and accusation that Destiny was making Jontron appear racist through debate tactics. Destiny concludes that Lewis is on a "little-leash" held by an esports broadcaster named [https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/Thorin Thorin].

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=4119 1:08:39]: Destiny discusses how Lewis' feud with the r/Leagueoflegends mods after a subreddit ban, and his threats of doxing the team, resulted in a reddit-wide ban on his account.
 
'''Hasan describes the events leading up to his debate with Richard Lewis'''
 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=895 14:55]: Hasan claims that Lewis only came onto his stream because he saw an attractive guy on the main page of twitch "shitting on his video". Hasan goes on to accuse Lewis of thinking he could score an easy dunk on an "attractive looking dumb-guy". Hasan then points out that Lewis referred to him as "diet Destiny", to which Hasan responded "bitch I debated {{wiki|Ann_Coulter|Ann Coulter}} on television last week."
 
'''Richard Lewis handwaves Donald Trump's attack on the free press '''
 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=1737 28:57]: Lewis states "Trump makes journalists rhetoric a little bit laughable, there are definitely... governments that do have journalists killed... like Saudi Arabia... being an American journalist is a very privileged position." Destiny pauses the video at this point, remarks that Lewis is "handwaving" the president attacking the free press, and notes that the world press freedom index ranks the United States at 45. Destiny then notes that he is unsure where Lewis is getting the idea that the United States has the "freest fucking press", and is surprised to hear such American exceptionalism ideas coming from a "britbonger".
 
''' The inability of conservatives to contend with facts '''
 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=2383 39:43]: Destiny claims conservatives aren't interested in the fact of a matter and more interested in telling a story. He goes on to assert once a conservative is held to task on a particular issue(i.e. through the presentation of relevant facts), they get "insanely ass pained". Destiny then points to Lewis' behavior throughout the debate as evidence of this, citing his evident cognitive dissonance when presented with facts, and resorting to accusations of "debate-tactics".
 
''' Richard Lewis debates the power of President Trump's rhetoric. '''
 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=2930 48:50]: Destiny pauses the video after Lewis contends that the individual making a particular statement has no bearing on the authority it holds(with regards to a statement made by President Trump). Destiny pauses the video and exclaims that Lewis is "so fucking stupid", and that there's a difference between the "president of the United States saying something, versus some fucking random dipshit on Twitter". Destiny then concludes that these statements should be par for the course for someone that used to write for {{wiki|Breitbart_News|Breitbart|.}}
 
''' Hasan's critiques of the British '''
 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=3133 52:13]: Hasan claims he was trying to be as nice as possible to Lewis because he's British, and British people have a way of dismantling arguments.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=3271 54:31]: After mockingly presenting an argument presented by Lewis while mimicking his accent, Hasan proclaims "that's literally every fucking British dipshit, every British central dipshit", to which Destiny warns Hasan against disparaging all British people, and to focus on this particular commentator.
 
''' Lewis' framing of the debate '''
 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=3505 58:25]: Hasan expresses frustration with Lewis' tendency throughout the call to claim their conversation is "not a debate" and claims that Lewis utilized this assertion to dodge pressure or clarification on issues. He later asks Destiny what he should do in a scenario like this, questioning whether he should kick Lewis out of the call at this point. Destiny responds that Hasan could "bat him around" a couple more topics but empathizes with Hasan's frustrations citing the many similar conversations he has had with right leaning pundits.
 
''' Lewis' claims that certain attacks on the president did not receive appropriate media attention '''
 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=3959 1:05:56]: After fact checking a claim presented by Lewis that Donald Trump Jr received {{wiki|Ricin}} in the mail, Destiny eventually concludes that the package was in fact sent to the Pentagon and never reached the White House.
 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=4274 1:11:14]: Lewis claims Bush received more media attention for receiving Ricin in the mail than Donald Trump. Destiny and Hasan contend that Bush actually received {{wiki|Anthrax||,}} and that this occurred after 9/11 when a large Anthrax scare was occurring. The two proceed to laugh at Lewis for attempting to compare this incident to two Pentagon officials receiving Ricin.
 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=4394 1:13:14] Destiny and Hasan deliberate about the president's son receiving cornstarch after a claim presented by Lewis (which he appeared to be conflating with a separate event).
 
''' The hypocrisy of Conservatives, Lewis defends Trump's attacks on Judge Curiel'''
 
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=5511 1:31:51]: Destiny compares the hypocrisy of conservatives who criticize Democratic political figures like {{wiki|Barack_Obama|Obama|,}} but defend Donald Trump. Hasan echoes this sentiment and describes the level of apologia by conservatives for Donald Trump as "mind-boggling". He goes on to say that centrists tend to play a "fuck-load of mental gymnastics" to justify actions taken by Donald Trump, and then as soon as somebody on the "liberal" side "sneezes wrong" they are quick to point out their actions.
 
[https://youtu.be/I7wtmabgQU8?t=5624 1:33:4] Destiny is incredulous after Lewis defends Trump attacks on a judge due to his Mexican heritage, Lewis stating "he didn't do it because he was Mexican, he did it because he was from a Mexican immigrant family".<ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = November
|day = 9
|title = Hasan’s Richard Lewis Debate - Post-debate Debate with Hasan Piker
|retrieved-date = 2024, February 2
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8
}} </ref> Destiny then exclaims "What the fuck is the difference between these two fucking statements? He didn't do it because he was black, he did it because his mom and dad were black, what the fuck kind of dumb fucking statement is this? That's so fucking stupid. Oh my god." Destiny later points out that the case Judge Curiel was sitting on had nothing to do with the {{wiki|Trump_wall|wall}} and was related to an issue regarding {{wiki|Trump_University|Trump University|.}}
 
''' Richard Lewis and liberalism '''
 
[https://youtu.be/I7wtmabgQU8?t=7213 2:00:15] Destiny states many individuals who are centrist and claim to be liberals, are in fact lying. He goes on to point out that these individuals use liberalism as a "tool for an end, and don't actually give a fuck about liberal values". He concludes that Lewis does not "give a fuck" about any of the values he presents, and just wears them as "convenient suits" to win an argument he's in favor of.
|}
{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Discussion timestamps
|-
|
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=172 2:52]: After some technical issues Destiny decides that Hasan should just react to the debate-vod through his stream, despite the five-second delay. This idea is eventually thrown out, and the two settle on watching the debate-vod through discord screen share.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=343 5:38]: Destiny and Hasan discuss the "broadening" of hate speech laws in Scotland.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=382 6:22]: Destiny mocks Lewis' argumentative approach and character. The two then discuss Destiny's prior relationship with Lewis, and the fallout of a debate Destiny had with Jontron.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=621 10:21]: Destiny fact checks a claim from Lewis regarding the nazi uniforms in {{wiki|Inglourious_Basterds|Inglourious Basterds|.}} He then informs Hasan that he was gish galloped by Lewis at this point in the debate.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=826 13:46]: Destiny discusses what a free-speech absolutists' perspective on fascist/nazi-iconography being banned is.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=895 14:55]: Hasan discusses the events leading up to his debate with Lewis.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=990 16:30]: Several more minutes of technical delays.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=1399 23:19]: Destiny pauses the video and provides Hasan some advice: "A lot of times people complaints will be evidence of the positions they have in life, or the privileges that they have in life." Destiny then provides the example of someone only caring for freedom of speech because they were banned from twitter.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=1737 28:17]: Destiny mocks Lewis for defending Donald Trump's attack on the press.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=1997 33:17]: Destiny points to another instance of Lewis handwaving Trump's faults and subsequently placing blame on Democrats. Lewis later discusses an alleged package of {{wiki|Ricin}} sent to one of Donald Trump's children.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=2383 39:43]: Destiny discusses the inability of conservatives to debate when presented with facts.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=2578 42:58]: Destiny and Hasan discuss {{wiki|Blaire_White |Blair White|.}}
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=2930 48:50]: Destiny and Hasan contend with Lewis' characterization of Donald Trump's tweets.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=3133 52:13]: Hasan discusses Lewis' British origin.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=3404 56:44]: Hasan takes issue with chatters claiming he talked over Lewis throughout the conversation.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=3505 58:25]: Hasan criticises Lewis' framing of the conversation as not being a debate.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=3883 1:04:43]: Hasan and Destiny discuss the claim that Donald Trump was sent Ricin.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=4119 1:08:39]: Destiny discusses Lewis' reddit ban.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=4274 1:11:14]: Destiny and Hasan contend with Lewis' claim that Bush received Ricin in the mail.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=4506 1:15:06]: After Lewis cites an incident involving {{wiki|Maxine_Waters|Maxine Waters}} wherein he suggests Waters incited violence. Destiny fact checks the quote presented and finds that Waters did not in fact do so.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=4872 1:21:12]: Destiny and Hasan debate {{wiki|Gerrymandering||.}}
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=5034 1:23:54]: Hasan explains the {{wiki|Alt-lite}} to Destiny.
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8&t=5511 1:31:51]: Destiny compares the hypocrisy of conservatives who criticize Democratic political figures like {{wiki|Barack_Obama|Obama|,}} but defend Donald Trump. Hasan echoes this sentiment.
* [https://youtu.be/I7wtmabgQU8?t=5668 1:34:28] Destiny is incredulous after Lewis defends Trump attacks on a judge due to his Mexican heritage.
* [https://youtu.be/I7wtmabgQU8?t=6198 1:43:18] Hasan claims Donald Trump's orders to shoot anyone throwing a rock at border patrol guardsmen or placing barbed wire on the fence could be considered war crimes.
* [https://youtu.be/I7wtmabgQU8?t=6247 1:44:07] Destiny pauses the video and derides Lewis after he warns Hasan about the dangers of "overly liberal/politically correct" individuals taking over college campuses. Destiny remarks that this is an unlikely possibility, and Hasan agrees.
* [https://youtu.be/I7wtmabgQU8?t=6458 1:47:38] Hasan introduces Izzie, a trans military veteran who joined the call with Lewis.
* [https://youtu.be/I7wtmabgQU8?t=6735 1:52:15] Destiny remarks that {{wiki|Sean_Hannity|Sean Hannity}} is an extremist, Hasan agrees.
* [https://youtu.be/I7wtmabgQU8?t=6972 1:56:12] Lewis remarks "if diversity is our strength why do we surrender our freedom of speech to tech monopolies." Destiny and Hasan are unsure what to make of that.
* [https://youtu.be/I7wtmabgQU8?t=7213 2:00:15] Destiny discusses liberalism and Richard Lewis.
* [https://youtu.be/I7wtmabgQU8?t=7761 2:09:21] Destiny and Hasan fast forward to the part of the video where Lewis claims Hasan is a "diet Destiny."
|}

=== Destiny at Hasan's place ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwiRb8RveDQ |300px|right| '''At Hasan’s place ft. Felklmao.'''}}
On December 1, 2018 Destiny streamed with Hasan at his apartment for eight hours. During the stream, the two discussed several mainstream events at the time including [https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/viral-video-shows-mcdonalds-employees-kicking-teens-allegedly-threatened-gunman-174712577.html?guccounter=1 teenagers getting kicked out of a McDonalds], [https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/04/09/doctor-who-was-dragged-screaming-united-airlines-flight-finally-breaks-silence/ a doctor being removed from a commercial flight], and a [https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qg7kgw/janitor_harassed_and_fired_by_school_principal/ Janitor getting fired from a public school]. The four separate videos are a result of the owner of the [https://www.youtube.com/@LastNightOnDestiny Last Night On Destiny] channel attempting to break up the eight hour VOD.
==== At Hasan's place ft. Felklmao ====
[[File:HasanDestinyFish.png|200px|thumb|right |Destiny playing with Hasan's dog.]]
Destiny arrives at Hasan's apartment, plays with Fish(Hasan's dog), and proceeds to help troubleshoot some technical issues with Hasan.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = December
|day = 1
|title = At Hasan’s place ft. Felklmao
|retrieved-date = 2024, February 20
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwiRb8RveDQ
}}</ref> At one point, prolific DGG chatter [[Felklmao]] requests to join the call, and Destiny warns Hasan against allowing him in for fear of getting [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3pFFPSlW4 gnomed]. Felklmao does eventually join the call and proceeds to have a friendly conversation with Hasan, no gnomes involved.

==== Talk with Hasan - McDonnald's employee kicking teenagers out ====
At one point during the stream, Hasan mentions that he saw Destiny's reaction to a situation involving a group of teens, whom after allegedly being threatened by a gunman in a McDonalds, were removed from the premises by a manager. Destiny, being on the side of the manager in this situation, had some disagreement with Hasan over this event. Destiny's primary contention being that the manager was in the right not to believe "teenagers walking around like a bunch of dumbasses", and that a McDonalds does not need to serve as a fortress against some "ar-15 shots". Hasan counters, and suggests that the manager should have exhibited "just a little care" for her fellow human beings. The two engage in a lighthearted debate for some time. <ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = December
|day = 3
|title = Talk with Hasan - McDonald’s employee kicking teenagers out
|retrieved-date = 2024, February 20
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTpTLj4Lg9A
}} </ref>

{{blockquote
|quote='''Hasan:''' "What if it was Nathan (at the McDonalds shouting for help)?"

'''Destiny:''' "I don't care, fuck him dude... If Nathan is around there bullying some fucking dude.. Nathan what the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you screaming some dumbass shit?"}}
{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Debate Highlights
|-
|
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTpTLj4Lg9A |300px|right| '''Talk with Hasan - McDonnald's employee kicking teenagers out'''}}
* [https://youtu.be/vTpTLj4Lg9A?t=50 0:50] Destiny gives his perspective.
* [https://youtu.be/vTpTLj4Lg9A?t=111 1:51] Hasan gives his perspective.
* [https://youtu.be/vTpTLj4Lg9A?t=134 2:14] Destiny runs through the possible decisions that could be made by the manager in an attempt to convey how poor the alternative decisions the manager could have made were.
* [https://youtu.be/vTpTLj4Lg9A?t=324 5:24] Destiny proposes that a gun may be an adequate response to several teenagers approaching an individual. Implying that it may not have been a disproportionate response.
* [https://youtu.be/vTpTLj4Lg9A?t=500 8:20] Destiny and Hasan pull up the video.
* [https://youtu.be/vTpTLj4Lg9A?t=627 10:27] Hasan proposes a hypothetical from chat: "what if it was Nathan?" To which Destiny responds: "I don't care, fuck him dude."
* [https://youtu.be/vTpTLj4Lg9A?t=804 13:24] Destiny once again details the alternative scenarios.
|}

==== Talk with Hasan - Doctor kicked out of airplane ====
Destiny and Hasan debate an incident involving a Doctor's refusal to leave his seat when directed because he needed to see patients the following day. Destiny maintains that the doctor should have booked a first-class flight if he was so concerned with the wellbeing of his patients. Hasan criticises this suggestion, highlighting the uncertainty of first-class availability and violations of consumer protection. <ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = December
|day = 4
|title = Talk with Hasan - Doctor kicked out of airplane
|retrieved-date = 2024, February 20
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eBl1Ntx45A
}} </ref>
{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Debate Highlights
|-
|
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eBl1Ntx45A |300px|right| '''Talk with Hasan - Doctor kicked out of airplane'''}}
* [https://youtu.be/6eBl1Ntx45A?t=80 1:20] Hasan questions Destiny's decision to take the side of the airline.
* [https://youtu.be/6eBl1Ntx45A?t=142 2:22] Destiny discusses the tendency of flights to be overbooked, and the responsibility of the doctor to ensure he wasn't booted from the flight by purchasing an economy plus ticket.
* [https://youtu.be/6eBl1Ntx45A?t=271 4:31] Destiny discusses the alternative to airlines being unable to kick passengers off flights.
* [https://youtu.be/6eBl1Ntx45A?t=358 5:58] Hasan laughs as Destiny responds to a chatter's critique of his argument.
* [https://youtu.be/6eBl1Ntx45A?t=594 9:58] Hasan discovers the airline reached a settlement with the doctor.
|}

==== Talk with Hasan - Disciplining employee - School janitor case ====
During the stream Destiny and Hasan engaged in yet another light hearted debate, this time involving a janitor being fired from a middle school for leaving early. Destiny, was of the opinion that the janitor should not have left the school early, while Hasan felt the firing was unjustified.Eventually, Hasan agrees with Destiny that the principal had provided a compelling reason for the janitor to be present at the school, he caveats that the principal is still being an “egomaniacal tyrant and a horrible boss” in this scenario.
<ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = December
|day = 6
|title = Talk with Hasan - Disciplining employee - School janitor case
|retrieved-date = 2024, February 20
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RYq-F6AUcU
}} </ref>
{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Debate Highlights
|-
|
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RYq-F6AUcU |300px|right| '''Talk with Hasan - Disciplining employee - School janitor case'''}}
* [https://youtu.be/8RYq-F6AUcU?t=175 2:55] Hasan and Destiny begin reacting to the school janitor firing video.
* [https://youtu.be/8RYq-F6AUcU?t=299 4:59] Hasan claims the principal seems to think she has ownership of the janitor. Destiny disagrees, and asserts that it is within the principal's rights to ensure her employees are working their scheduled hours.
* [https://youtu.be/8RYq-F6AUcU?t=351 5:41] Hasan mocks Destiny for defending someone speaking in the third person.
* [https://youtu.be/8RYq-F6AUcU?t=393 6:33] Hasan partially agrees with Destiny that the person has provided a compelling reason for the janitor to be present at the school, he caveats that the principal is still being an egomaniacal tyrant and a horrible boss.
* [https://youtu.be/8RYq-F6AUcU?t=641 10:41] Destiny identifies that the janitor's inability to respond to feedback from his boss in a respectful manner is a "major red flag".
|}

=== Domestic abuse - MrDeadMoth hits wife ft. MrMouton, Hasan, WhiteNervosa ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RAZHElDZL8 |300px|right| '''Domestic abuse - MrDeadMoth hits wife ft. MrMouton, Hasan, WhiteNervosa'''}}
[[File:HasanMrDeadMothAbuse.png|300px|thumb|right|Destiny reviewing an image of injuries sustained by MrDeadMoth.]]
On December 11, 2018 Destiny, while driving his Nitrous Blue Ford Focus RS, has a heated conversation with his chat regarding a domestic abuse situation involving fortnite streamer [https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/mrdeadmoth MrDeadMoth] and his wife. During the conversation, Destiny asserts parents should never fight in front of their kids, maintains throwing items at one’s partner (as the wife did in the scenario) still constitutes physical abuse, and repeatedly berates chatters who suggest otherwise.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = LivestreamFails
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = [No title provided]
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://livestreamfails.com/post/36043
}} </ref><ref>
{{cite
|source-name = LivestreamFails
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = [No title provided]
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/a5bdn3/destinys_take_on_mrdeadmoths_abuse_clip/
}} </ref>

On December 12, 2018 Destiny reviewed the domestic abuse case from his home-office, and was eventually joined by several other friends of the stream.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = December
|day = 12
|title = Domestic abuse - MrDeadMoth hits wife ft. MrMouton, Hasan, WhiteNervosa
|retrieved-date = 2024, March 1
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RAZHElDZL8
}}</ref> Individuals in the video such as [[MrMouton]], Hasan, and [[WhiteNervosa]] had slightly varied focuses on the situation, but all came to the conclusion that MrDeadMoth bore the brunt of the blame and should not have physically retaliated against his wife's physical actions towards him. Destiny took the contrary position, stating that while MrDeadMoth physical response should not be excused, the wife's persistent approach, escalation, and starting of the physical altercation, should be viewed as provoking or exacerbating the situation. Destiny goes on to point out that the wife repeatedly engaged and re-engaged in confrontational behavior, which included throwing objects and verbal provocation, while MrDeadMoth attempted multiple times to deescalate the situation.

{{blockquote
|quote="I'm sorry.. anybody who defends the women here is a literal subhuman piece of shit... I don't even know how you can even begin to think that her actions here are remotely okay. She instigates every physical violence here, she starts every single time... And is the guy right for slapping her? No he's not, but every single time he backs off, she keeps coming back, not to talk... but to be physically abusive over and over again... People are linking pictures in chat... of the guy... this is apparently pictures he has taken of abuse. I don't even need these, because it doesn't even matter... this video speaks for itself."
|name=Destiny, [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=1557 25:56]}}

{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Individual Positions
|-
|
[[File:HasanDestinyRemindertoBan.png|300px|thumb|right|Destiny setting several reminders for himself to ban subreddit users.]]
''' Destiny's position'''
 
[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=95 1:26] Shortly after starting his stream, Destiny begins reacting to MrDeadMoth's altercation with his wife. Upon watching the video in its entirety, Destiny goes on to describe the double standards at play when a women physically abuses their partner versus when a man does so. He describes how when a women physically abuses a man it is generally viewed as funny and deserved, while when a man physically abuses a women it is horrible. Destiny goes on to point to several instances of abuser apologia related to this scenario, such as claiming the women in the video was pregnant/hormonal or that the man didn't respond quick enough to a dinner invitation. [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=1007 16:47] Destiny notes MrDeadMoth attempted to deescalate the situation multiple times, and was met with increasingly more violence in his attempts. [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=1283 21:23] Destiny goes on to state that individuals who are physically abusive, will not disengage from a situation by merely being told to "go away".

[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=608 10:08][https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=1773 29:33] Destiny claims that he typically never speaks on this issue(women on man domestic abuse), due to thinking it was common sense to understand how bad such situations are. He highlights how this situation has seemed dispel that thought, as he has witnessed many alleged feminists applauding MrDeadMoth's harassment by his wife. He goes on to describe how he typically doesn't speak on this issue, because he finds Men's-rights activists online to be quite abhorrent. Following this, Destiny describes the double standard at play when people find it amusing for a women to abuse a man

[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=882 14:42] Destiny asserts that all domestic abuse is bad, and that no physical altercations should ever occur in a relationship. He goes on to claim that the fact that this situation is occurring in front of a child makes the situation even more tragic. Destiny then states that the women appears to be consistently instigating the situation, while the man attempting to play the game is doing little wrong. He concludes that if the gender roles in this scenario were swapped, the positions of many outspoken critics towards MrDeadMoth would be reversed.

[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=1682 28:02] Destiny describes the "reasonable answer" one should give when experiencing abuse, which is calling the authorities. He caveats this by stating: "All three times that I have called the police(in similar domestic abuse scenarios), they have blamed me for what happened. So when Rachel would get physically violent with me, three times... one time when my mom was even visiting. I called the cops three times, women police showed up, and they said it was my fault I was driving her to that."

''' MrMouton's position '''
 
[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=2534 42:14] MrMouton eventually joins the call, and gives his position. He claims to agree with most of Destiny's position, but caveats MrDeadMoth should not have hit her(a point which Destiny agrees with). MrMouton then states anyone who believes MrDeadMoth disseminated child porn or did nothing wrong should be executed on the spot. He goes on to assert that MrDeadMoth should have left the house, instead of getting physical with his partner.

Destiny's contention with MrMouton was primarily centered on whether or not the slap by MrDeadMoth was justified. Destiny maintains that if one were to get physical with their partner as a result of them instigating physical abuse, a slap is the most optimal form of retaliation. Destiny goes on to state that individuals put into stressful situations do not always act optimally, and people are placing an unfair amount of responsibility on MrDeadMoth in this situation.

[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=3011 50:11] MrMouton claims MrDeadMoth "punched the shit" out of his wife. Destiny responds he cannot possibly know this occured, and he does not believe MrDeadMoth ever punched her. MrMouton would go on to state that the biggest issue was that MrDeadmoth did so in front of his child, to which Destiny responds the fault is on the wife for escalating the situation in from of their child.

''' Hasan's position '''
 
[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=3368 56:08] Hasan, after claiming to have personal experience on the issue at hand, describes his position. He argues that size is a crucial important factor to consider during these domestic disputes. Hasan goes on to state that the onus is on the Male partner to refrain from resorting to physical violence in most instances of domestic violence, given the physical advantage most men enjoy. He caveats this position, stating instances wherein the women utilizes a weapon(i.e. a blunt object), would warrant physical retaliation by the male.

[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=3417 56:57] When questioned by Destiny how one should not counter being physically assaulted by their partner with more violence, Hasan describes curling up into a ball when being attacked by his partner. Destiny disagrees and argues "fuck that shit".

[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=3518 58:38] Hasan puts forth that MrDeadMoth should have shut off the game, and de-escalated the situation. Destiny counters that the situation is inherently ridiculous, stating: "she is using physical violence and intimidation to get her way, to force him to have a conversation he may not want to have, in order to deescalate a situation. I'm almost more in favor saying the guy is more in the right to fight her, than to fucking sit here and entertain the conversation..."

[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=3624 1:00:24] Hasan claims to cover domestic abuse situations in the same framework as police brutality, in that the male has much more force in most situations. Destiny counters that police sign up and have training for such situations, while the average male partner does not.

[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=3757 1:02:37] Hasan argues that the best possible outcome for the scenario would be if MrDeadMoth turned off his pc and attempted to confront his wife. Destiny disagrees, and puts forth that the best outcome would be for him to leave the room and call the police.

[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=4685 1:18:05] Hasan argues that he would never hit someone much smaller than him, especially a pregnant women. Destiny pokes fun at Hasan for this line of thought, and argues that MrDeadMoth's wife being pregnant places more blame on her for instigating and escalating such a situation.

''' Whitenervosa's position '''
[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=7144 1:59:04] Destiny calls out WhiteNervosa for stating MrDeadMoth's wife is receiving more hatred than MrDeadmoth himself. Destiny goes on to state, he already knows what her take is, and is already anticipating killing himself upon hearing it live.

[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=7527 2:05:27] WhiteNervosa eventually joins the call, and asks Destiny why he believes the women is more at fault than the man. Destiny reasserts his position, stating the women instigated the violence and consistently escalated it. WhiteNervosa questions how MrDeadMoth deescalated the situation, and how his wife reengaged in physical violence. Destiny responds "he went back to his chair and put his headphones on", and "after he hits her for the first time, he sits back down, and she comes back and reengages, and re-escalates in the physical violence again." WhiteNervosa then asks "what does she do", to which Destiny describes how MrDeadMoth's wife "throw shit at him, threaten to break shit, looks like she's about to hit him." Following this line of questioning, WhiteNervosa accuses Destiny of being charitable to MrDeadMoth, and not his wife stating he has no idea of knowing whether the wife was going to attempt to hit him. Destiny responds the wife is in fact threatening to harm MrDeadMoth, pointing out that she threw items, broke items, and MrDeadMoth raised his hands in an attempt to block a blow at one point.

WhiteNervosa asks Destiny if he believes MrDeadMoth escalated force needlessly after having items thrown at him. Destiny responds he does not know, to which WhiteNervosa further inquires if it matters what items are being thrown at MrDeadMoth, and provides the example of a birthday balloon. Destiny argues it likely does not matter, and informs WhiteNervosa this take is "hilariously baby brained, I can't tell if you're ironically making it or just trying to win the argument." WhiteNervosa then attempts to argue "you wouldn't say cardboard is the equivalent of a lamp right?" Destiny responds "I don't know... throwing folded up cardboard at a person fucking hurts, go get somebody into a garage and fucking try it." WhiteNervosa attempts to cut Destiny off at this point to disagree, to which Destiny responds :
[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=7697 "Can you please shut the fuck up and go try it before saying it doesn't hurt, like this is a hilarious fucking first grade take, first of all throwing folded up fucking boxes at people does fucking hurt, secondly that's not the only thing that we saw thrown at him, she's throwing shit hard enough to wiggle the camera in the room, and we hear stuff falling on the floor in the background, but if you wanna pretend the only thing she's throwing are balloons then..."]

From hereon out, the two deliberate on whether MrDeadMoth received ample enough provocation to retaliate against his wife. Destiny becomes seemingly more infuriated with the conversation as it proceeds, part in fact due to WhiteNervosa's tendency to place the majority of the blame on MrDeadMoth. This tension in this call eventually builds up to a point where Destiny throws his hands to his head(shortly after being killed in his call of duty match) and states WhiteNervosa is "fucking retarded" and ends his stream.
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*[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8 0:00] Destiny starts his stream, and requests a chatter to link him the original video involving MrDeadMoth. A chatter then asks Destiny if he saw Hasan's stream, to which Destiny replies Hasan likely gave a take centering on physical proportionality between a man and a woman in domestic disputes.
*[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=86 1:26] Destiny begins watching MrDeadMoth's altercation with his wife.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=460 7:40] Destiny plays a video where strangers have different reactions to a man physically encroaching upon a women and vice versa.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=595 9:55] A chatter mocks Destiny for suggesting that cardboard being thrown at another individual could constitute physical abuse, to which Destiny replies with banishing said chatter from his community.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=683 11:23] After a chatter claims "nobody beat the shit out of anybody in this video", Destiny considers permanently banning them, but instead addresses their point. Destiny then proceeds to ban a chatter who suggested he strawmanned the previous chatter.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=683 13:43] Destiny remarks that the experiment run in a video he is reacting to(involving a man abusing a women in public and a women abusing a man in the same scenario), would result in more strangers assisting the women than the man.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=1007 16:47] Destiny begins analyzing the video, and notes when MrDeadMoth's wife begins to throw items at him.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=1137 18:57] MrDeathMoth slapping his wife can be heard in the background, Destiny pauses and breaks down the situation.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=1557 25:56] Destiny remarks that anyone who defends the women in this situation is a subhuman piece of shit.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=1765 29:25] Destiny once again details his disappointment with having to speak on men-rights issues he thought would be "givens" within his community.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=1872 31:12] Destiny states he was going to ban several individuals off he subreddit, but it was difficult to do so on mobile. He then opens up his subreddit to review reddit threads.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=1885 31:25] Destiny calls out [[Kelly_Jean|Kelly Jean]] for comments attempting to defend the women, i.e. "The women was pregnant". Destiny then goes through several reddit comments he made to remind himself to ban certain subreddit users.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=2371 39:31] Destiny bans a subreddit mod.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=2534 42:14] [[MrMouton]] joins the call, and gives his position.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=2663 44:23] MrMouton states that the wife's actions were annoying, to which Destiny retorts her actions were abusive not annoying.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=3269 54:29] A chatter asks Destiny "why is it okay to downplay the violence?" Destiny responds "Because I give a lot of credit to people who are in a defensive position, versus an offensive scenario."
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=3325 55:25] Hasan joins the call.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=3383 56:18] Hasan details his personal experience with physical abuse.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=3452 57:32] Destiny proposes a murder-rape hypothetical to Hasan.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=3518 59:03] Destiny counters the argument that MrDeadMoth should have shut off the game and de-escalated the situation.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=3624 1:00:24] Hasan claims to cover domestic abuse situations in the same framework as police brutality. Destiny disagrees with this framing.
*[https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=3976 1:06:16] Hasan puts forth that the reason most men lose legal cases involving domestic violence, is because men are physically superior.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=4232 1:10:32] Destiny lists off the poor behavior committed by MrDeadmMoth's wife.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=4464 1:14:24] Destiny asks Hasan what the "agro timer" on pregnant women is. The trio argue on the justifiability of physically retaliating against a pregnant women.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=5284 1:28:04] Hasan states the pregnant women was "hysterical" before the slap occured.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=5359 1:29:19] Destiny contends he cannot listen to many of Hasan's arguments as it appears he is making several excuses for MrDeadMoth's wife.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=5640 1:34:00] Destiny accidently molotovs himself and MrMouton in their game while Hasan defends MrDeadMoth's wife.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=5748 1:345:48] Destiny and Hasan debate the damaging ability of cardboard.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=5909 1:38:29] Destiny and Hasan debate the damage one could do against somebody "curled up in a ball."
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=5994 1:39:54] Hasan wishes Destiny happy birthday.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=6082 1:41:22] Destiny jokes that MrDeadMoth should have retreated to a McDonalds.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=6336 1:45:36] MrMouton confesses he thought Destiny's take was far more extreme than what it really was.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=6876 1:54:36] Destiny says he regrets bringing up personal anecdotes during his arguments.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=6937 1:55:37] Destiny watches a clip where Hasan gives a more extreme position than stated in their prior call.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=7026 1:57:06] Destiny states that he believes Hasan is reasonably intelligent.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=7144 1:59:04] Destiny calls WhiteNervosa a dumbfuck for asserting MrDeadMoth's wife is receiving more hatred than MrDeadMoth.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=7527 2:05:27] WhiteNervosa joins the call.
* [https://youtu.be/9RAZHElDZL8?t=8081 2:14:41] Destiny calls WhiteNervosa retarded after hearing her position, concludes all men are evil and women can do no wrong, then ends his stream.

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=== Hasan discusses PewDiePie and E;R with Destiny ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig|300px|right| '''PewDiePie and E;R ft. Hasanabi '''}}
On December 17, 2018, Destiny and Hasan discuss {{wiki|PewDiePie|PewDiePie's}} political ignorance, and how the same ignorance appears to be prevalent throughout much of online discourse.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = December
|day = 7
|title = PewDiePie and E;R ft. Hasanabi
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ENmudByKig
}} </ref> The video begins with Hasan discussing how PewDiePie, near the end of a recent video, had inadvertently promoted a "Nazi youtube channel" by the name of [https://www.youtube.com/@esemicolonr E;R]. Despite PewDiePie editing out the promotion of E;R from the prior video and issuing an apology, Hasan goes on to claim that PewDiePie's apology was "fake" as he included the same promotion twice in the apology video coupled with promoting pieces of E;R's content in earlier videos. Hasan would go on to state that these actions make it seem like PewDiePie may be a crypto-fascist. Destiny responds that he is hesitant to label PewDiePie as such, given that he may truly just be ignorant when it comes to interpreting harmful political messaging, claiming the same ignorance is rife throughout "gamer-bro" communities .

Eventually, the conversation veers off into a discussion on Venezuela and Socialism, and Hasan exits the call after discussing the issue for an hour. At this point, Destiny is alone and decides to watch [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g6c8L83Pzs PewDiePie's biggest OOPSIE], a video wherein PewDiePie recounts the promotion of E;R. During the video, PewDiePie plays a soundbite from a prior video where he promotes E;R's death note review, and mocks anyone for suggesting this is nazi propaganda. Destiny watches thirty minutes of the review, questions how E;R manages to do such poor critiques of media for a living, and refuses to watch any more of "this low-iq shit". Destiny then requests that his chat direct him to some of E;R's "nazi shit", and is eventually told to skip to the thirty-seven-minute mark of the video where a {{wiki|Heather_Heyer|Heather Heyer}} reference is made. From this point Destiny reacts to several nazi references made in E;R's videos including a [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=922 Hitler speech played over dramatic music], and [https://youtu.be/jmzNbhNAJRM?t=91 a montage of wealthy/influential Jewish individuals] played over [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEnW5_GTooI Orpheus in the Underworld] concluding with a message of "securing an existence and future for human children". From these videos, Destiny eventually concludes that E;R is "maybe a little bit of a Nazi". Destiny eventually resumes PewDiePie's video and Hasan joins the call to get Destiny's position on the situation. Destiny informs Hasan that E;R is almost certainly attempting to red pill viewers on Nazi propaganda, and that he still has to finish PewDiePie's response video to draw a conclusion on him. After finishing PewDiePie's response video, Destiny concludes that PewDiePie is not a nazi but is likely just dumb politically.

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''' Hasan summarizes the PewDiePie debacle '''
 
[https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=10 0:10] Hasan discusses how PewDiePie, near the end of a recent video, had inadvertently promoted a "Nazi youtube channel" by the name of [https://www.youtube.com/@esemicolonr E;R]. Hasan goes on to inform Destiny that he stumbled upon this finding, after one of E;R's "fashy fans" had tried to {{wiki|Red_pill_and_blue_pill|red pill}} Hasan's audience with the {{wiki|Jewish_question|JQ|.}} Hasan reports that after combing through some of E;R's videos, he found many racist/antisemitic jokes sprinkled throughout seemingly innocuous media reviews (i.e. full Hitler speeches and images of Obama with the Star of David). Hasan elaborates that the most damning piece of information is a {{wiki|Gab_(social_network)|Gab}} account run by E;R, wherein he brags about Red Pilling people on alt-right ideology and {{wiki|Crypto-fascism||.}} Despite PewDiePie editing out the promotion of E;R from the prior video and issuing an apology, Hasan goes on to claim that PewDiePie's apology was "fake" as he included the same promotion twice in the apology video.
 
''' Destiny's perspective '''
 
[https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=579 9:39] When questioned by Hasan what his perspective is, Destiny informs him that he is unsure what to make of the situation. Destiny goes on to elaborate that he would like to have a stronger opinion, however the ignorance of "gamer-bro people" makes it plausible that they may truly be "just that dumb" when it comes to interpreting harmful political messaging.
 
''' Destiny reacts to "PewDiePie's biggest OOPSIE", concludes E;R is likely a Nazi '''
 
[https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig 11:40] Destiny begins reacting to "PewDiePie's biggest OOPSIE", a video wherein PewDiePie lays out a defense for himself against the accusation that he shepherded an audience of fourteen-year-olds to Nazi propaganda. PewDiePie plays a soundbite from a prior video where he promotes E;R's death note review, and mocks anyone for suggesting this is nazi propaganda. Destiny watches thirty minutes of the review, and heavily critiques it. Destiny then asks his chat for the "nazi-shit", to which a chatter directs Destiny to the 37-minute mark of the video where a Heather Heyer reference is made. From this point Destiny reacts to several nazi references made in E;R's videos. Destiny eventually finishes PewDiePie's response video, and concludes that PewDiePie is not a nazi but is likely just dumb politically.
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* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=10 0:10] Hasan enters the call, greets Destiny, and gives a summary of drama revolving around PewDiePie's promotion of an alleged Nazi youtuber.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=200 3:20] Hasan discusses the discovery of E;R's {{wiki|Gab_(social_network)|Gab}} account.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=277 4:36] Hasan speaks with Destiny regarding PewDiePie's retraction of the E;R promotion, and his "fake apology".
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=524 8:44] Destiny informs Hasan that he's unsure if PewDiePie should be labled as a Nazi or not, and he may just be genuinely ignorant when it comes to "this stuff".
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=565 9:32] Hasan claims that PewDiePie has been aware of E;R for several months.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=579 9:39] Destiny provides his perspective.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=659 10:59] Hasan claims there are many PewDiePie supports in Destiny's subreddit.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig 11:40] The conversation gets sidetracked on venezuela. Destiny is alone at this point in the video and watches [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g6c8L83Pzs PewDiePie's biggest OOPSIE], a video where PewDiePie recounts the the promotion of E;R.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=834 13:54] Destiny asks his chat for E;R'S "nazi shit". A chatter then directs Destiny to skip to 37 minutes in E;R'S death note review.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=898 14:58] [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Trainwreckstv Trainwrecks] asks Destiny if they can play a game together.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=922 15:22] Destiny reacts to a hitler speech played during one of E;R's videos.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=1115 18:35] Destiny concludes that E;R is likely a Nazi.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=1149 19:09] Destiny resumes PewDiePie's Biggest OOPSIE.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=1214 20:14] Hasan rejoins the call after Destiny finishes the video.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=1335 22:06] Destiny discusses why he prefers to look at E;R's content rather than logs from his Gab account as evidence of his ideals.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=1509 25:09] Hasan asks to play a game with Destiny.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=1653 27:33] Destiny states that if PewDiePie were to shout-out a channel, he should probably be aware of it's content.
* [https://youtu.be/8ENmudByKig?t=1706 28:31] After finishing PewDiePie's response video, Destiny concludes that PewDiePie is not likely a nazi.
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=== Hasan debates a Venezuelan regarding the country's economic collapse ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDiS7WdrzQg|300px|right| '''Talking with a Venezuelan about Venezuela ft. Hasanabi '''}}
[[File:HasanYiazmat.png|400px|thumb|Right|Yiazmat accusing Destiny of letting Hasan get away with misinformation regarding Venezuela's economic collapse.]]
[[File:HasanVenezuelaCrying.png|400px|thumb|Right|A comment chiding Hasan for eating while debating Yiazmat on Venezuela's economic collapse and food scarcity.]]
On the same day Destiny and Hasan discussed PewDiePie, the pair had a conversation regarding whether the economic collapse of {{wiki|Venezuela}} was a product of {{wiki|socialism||.}}
<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2018
|month = December
|day = 22
|title = Talking with a Venezuelan about Venezuela ft. Hasanabi
|retrieved-date = 2024, February 26
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDiS7WdrzQg
}} </ref> The conversation was initially spurred on after a chatter, Yiazmat, asserted that Destiny had let Hasan claim the country's economic collapse had nothing to do with Socialism.<ref>{{cite
|source-name = RustleSearch
|year = 2018
|month = December
|day = 15
|title = (Destinygg, December 15, 2018)
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2018-12-15T04%3A44%3A52.000Z&username=yiazmat
}} </ref> Destiny responds that he had not seen any evidence linking socialism to Venezuela's collapse, and that it was more likely attributed to corruption prevalent throughout the government. Hasan also adds that the collapse could be attributed to the Venezuelan economy being heavily privatized, and provides Scandinavian nations as examples of socialism being successful in practice.

Shortly after Destiny and Hasan's initial remarks, Yiazmat requests to join the call, and is eventually admitted into the discord room. Yiazmat, appearing to be quite emotional, makes his hatred for the Venezuelan government clear and goes on to reassert his position that Hasan is incorrect regarding his claim that "socialism has nothing to do with what happened" to the country. Yiazmat then points to several of the country's industries becoming {{wiki|Nationalization|nationalized|,}} and the institution of various {{wiki|Price_controls|price controls|.}} Destiny posits that Venezuela has been engaging in this nationalizing for quite some time, to which Yiazmat counters that the country had not engaged in such practices before {{wiki|Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez|Chávez|.}} Yiazmat goes on to cite the "real socialism" undergone in Venezuela (aka seizing the means of production) as the primary cause for the country's strife, and criticizes Hasan previous attempts at comparing Scandinavian countries to Venezuela.

The conversation veers off into a semantic discussion on what constitutes "true socialism". Throughout the conversation, Yiazmat maintains that the nationalization of several key industries, and instituting of various price controls, is more than enough evidence of socialism occurring. While Hasan disagrees, asserting the problem was due in part to poor leadership, and imperialism from countries like the United States. During the conversation, Hasan would routinely attempt to point to other countries which have engaged in similar activities as Venezuela, and have not experienced economic collapse. Destiny also maintains that the collapse of the country was not a result of socialism, however he primarily asserts price-controls and poor economic policy were the primary cause for the country's downward spiral. Despite initially debating with Yiazmat, Destiny acted as a moderator for the two other individuals in the call, ensuring certain claims (i.e. causes of food shortages in Venezuela) were fact checked in real time and no fallacious arguments were made by either side.

{{blockquote
|quote='''Hasan''' ''(voice muffled with food)'': "Okay... printing money is something the United States does almost all the fucking time...and the reason why they did it, is so that poor people also had access to food."

'''Destiny''': "Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait... chill okay... so your currency is backed by the strength of your economy... when the United States prints currency to cover its own debt, that printing is not done as a crisis play in order to save our economy, the United States does not print money in crisis to save our economy. Even the 2007 downturn was not like an extreme crisis where we had to save ourselves, in the same way that in Venezuela, there are people standing in line for like hours to buy fucking toilet paper... When Venezuela was printing money, they were doing it to literally bail themselves out of a fucked situation, but they did not have the same strength of their economy, so their bond ratings went to shit as a result of this bad monetary policy. Whereas in the US, we can print money, and that's fine, it's backed by our economy, Venezuela did not have the(same) economy."<ref>[https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=847 14:10]</ref>}}

Following the initial dispute, the conversation becomes more personal after Destiny inquires what Yiazmat's day-to-day life is like. Yiazmat becomes quite emotional during this segment, as he describes his parents' lifesavings being stripped from them by the government. Following Yiazmat's emotionally charged retelling of his family history, Hasan is seemingly more hesitant to press Yiazmat on the issue any further, and the conversation eventually concludes.

{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Debate Highlights
|-
|
'''Reading Yiazmat's comment, initial remarks from Destiny and Hasan '''
 
[https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=5 0:05] Upon reading Yazmat's comment that he had let Hasan "get away" with misinformation on his stream, Destiny requests that the chatter link him "something that's not from {{wiki|Breitbart_News|Breitbart|,}} that's credible, we can go over it". Destiny goes on to state that he has done some research into Venezuela, and that the only link to economic problems and socialism within the country is it's socialized oil industry. Destiny concludes that the problems are more likely attributed to the corruption prevalent throughout the country's government. Hasan adds "ask him what percentage he thinks the private industry in Venezuela is... they nationalized their extraction industry... you know what other country nationalized their extraction industry? Norway. That dude is speaking out of his ass."
 
'''Yiazmat joins the call'''
 
[https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=237 3:57] Yiazmat joins the call, asserts his hatred for the government of his country, and criticizes Hasan for claiming "socialism has nothing to do with what happened". Yiazmat goes on to state that despite Hasan's claim that the majority of industries in Venezuela are privatized, the government was in the process of nationalizing several industries and instituting various price controls. Destiny counters, claiming that Venezuela had been engaging in this nationalizing for quite some time, to which Yiazmat responds that they had not done so before Chávez. Yiazmat goes on to criticize Hasan for comparing European governments, which have free education and healthcare, to Venezuela's which does not. Yiazmat then asserts that Venezuela's "real socialism," specifically the takeover of the means of production, is the main cause of the country's strife. He cites the nationalization of various industries and the government's control over the quantities sold by certain corporations as evidence.

Upon retrieving the Wikipedia page for Hugo Chávez, Destiny remarks the Venezuelan oil industry had been nationalized since the late 1970s, and that Chávez came in 1999. Yiazmat replies that he is unsure, but asserts Chávez still replaced several key workers in these industries with less competent workers. Hasan then adds that while all this is true, it has nothing to do with socialism. Yiazmat maintains that the nationalization of several industries is evidence of socialism occuring.
 
'''Food shortages'''
 
[https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=552 9:12] Destiny pulls up the wikipedia page on {{wiki|Shortages_in_Venezuela|Shortages in Venezuela|,}} and asks Yiazmat what spurred them on. Yiazmat replies that as a result of key industries working in Venezuela at a loss, several of these companies moved to other countries where profit could be had. Hasan claims that these reforms (i.e. currency mismanagement) occurred under {{wiki|Nicol%C3%A1s_Maduro|Maduro|,}} and Yiazmat replies that Hasan is mistaken.
 
'''Printing money'''
 
[https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=847 14:10] Hasan claims "printing money is something the United States does all the time, and the reason why they did it is so that poor people could also have access to food." Destiny cuts Hasan off from this point, asserting that the United States' printing of money is not comparable to Venezuela's in this instance. Destiny points out that when the United States prints money, it is not done as a "crisis-play" to save its economy.
 
'''Socialism and Venezuela's collapse '''
 
[https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=1239 20:41] Destiny claims the Venezuelan crisis does not appear to be a result of socialism but is centered around Price controls. Yiazmat expresses his confusion, stating he is unsure how this would not fall under the socialism umbrella if Chávez was nationalizing industries and instituting price controls. Destiny, sensing this confusion, gives a brief overview of the economic forces/ideologies at play in the country. "It's capitalism because you have actual owners, that own the actual firms... and you got laborers that work there. Now it's my understanding, all of these firms could be owned by the actual workers, but they could still compete with each other in price. Just because you have firms owned by the workers, doesn't mean you need price controls." Destiny would go on to assert that the problem in Venezuela is not a result of capitalism or socialism, but poor economic policy.

[https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=1665 27:45] Yiazmat claims that some social programs instituted by the Venezuelan government wherein voters were given money and utilities like laundry machines contributed to the country's downfall. Hasan disagrees with this framing and places the blame once more on poor management of a country. Destiny agrees with Hasan, and pushes back against Yiazmat's perspective as well.
 
'''Price Controls '''
 
Throughout the debate, Destiny maintains that price controls were the primary cause for the downward spiral in Venezuela:
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=699 11:39] Destiny chimes in after reading four paragraphs from the Shortages in Venezuela wiki, and asserts Chávez was implementing severe price controls in an effort to increase affordability of certain products, and companies ended up leaving the country as a result. Destiny continues, and remarks that as these companies leave and supplies begin to dwindle, citizens start to panic, and Chávez attempted to control the situation by nationalizing industries and manipulating the Venezuelan currency. Yiazmat becomes quite emotional at this retelling and begins crying.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=1538 25:38] Destiny asserts if a country chooses to utilize price controls, they must be set for a "very intelligent reason". He points to United States policies like minimum wage as a reasonable use with no disastrous outcomes, given that laborers in the country cannot effectively bargain against capital owners for wages. Destiny would go on to maintain that even if Venezuela were to stay capitalistic, the setting of price controls would still have resulted in the country's economic collapse.
|}

{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Debate timestamps
|-
|
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=5 0:05] Destiny reads Yiazmat's message, sparking the conversation.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=42 0:42] Hasan claims Yiazmat is speaking out of his ass.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=83 1:23] Hasan discusses the "Republican-Despacito" phrase he coined (AKA whataboutism engaged by individuals on the right).
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=102 1:42] Hasan remarks the Venezuelan government should not be absolved of guilt, and that they are certainly bad. Shortly after Yiazmat requests to join the call.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=195 3:15] Seeing how long it takes Yiazmat to join the call, Hasan pokes fun at Venezuelan internet.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=237 3:57] Yiazmat joins the call.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=287 4:47] Yiazmat discusses his issues with Hasan's position.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=362 6:02] Destiny questions Yiazmat on Venezuela's nationalization timeline.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=556 9:16] Destiny questions Yiazmat on Venezuela's shortages.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=671 11:11] Hasan asks Yiazmat to clarify which Venezuelan leader he is referring to.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=792 13:12] Yiazmat begins crying.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=847 14:10] Hasan compares Venezuela printing money to the US doing the same.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=925 15:25] Hasan claims the US tried to back a coup in Venezuela, and places blame on imperialism for the country's economic collapse.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=973 16:13] Destiny redirects the conversation towards a discussion on price-controls.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=1139 18:59] Hasan maintains he is not an apologist fo Maduro.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=1248 20:48] Destiny reasserts the cause of the country's collapse was not socialism.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=1572 26:12] Destiny discusses the downward spiral as a result of price controls in Venezuela.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=1665 27:45] Yiazmat discusses some Venezuelan social programs wherein some voters were given money/utilities to buy voters. Hasan disagrees with the framing that this is a result of socialism or the country's downfall, and the two debate for some time.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=1863 31:03] Destiny empathizes with Yiazmat's frustration in defending capitalist systems. Destiny then asks what the day-to-day life is like in Venezuela.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=1969 32:50] Hasan asks Yiazmat how wealthy he is compared to other citizens of Venezuela.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=2077 34:37] Yiazmat becomes emotional once more, and describes the poverty his parents suddenly faced after "working all their life" just for the government to take all their savings.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=2259 37:39] Destiny pokes fun at Hasan following Yiazmat's emotionally charged claim: "Come on Hasan, just end this dude..."
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=2403 40:03] Destiny maintains that even if Venezuela were to stay capitalist, setting the same price controls would still result in economic collapse.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=2530 42:10] Yiazmat and Hasan discuss free market principles relative to Venezuela.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=2644 44:04] Hasan asks Yiazmat what he thinks is the "way out" for Venezuela.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=2805 46:05] The group discusses voter rates in Venezuela vs the United States.
* [https://youtu.be/NDiS7WdrzQg?t=3017 50:17] Yiazmat details how several individuals are leaving the country, and that he has no friends left near him.
|}

=== Hasan joins DGG chat ===
[[File:HasanFirstDGGChatLogs.png|200px|thumb|Right|Hasan's first DGG chat logs.]]
On December 24th, 2018 Hasan Joined DGG chat under the username "HasanAbi".<ref>{{cite
|source-name = RustleSearch
|year = 2018
|month = December
|day = 24
|title = (Destinygg, December 24, 2018)
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2018-12-24T06%3A45%3A50.000Z&username=hasanabi
}} </ref>

=== Destiny IRL streams with with Andy Milonakis, Hasan, and Pokimane ===
On January 9th, 2019 Destiny streamed an {{wiki|IRL}} meetup with Hasan, [[Pokimane]] and [[Andy_Milonakis|Andy Milonakis]]. The group first streamed at a {{wiki|Korean_barbecue|Korean Barbecue}} restaurant, and then a {{wiki|Bar_(establishment)|Bar|.}}<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2020
|month = February
|day = 8
|title = 2019-01-09 - IRL stream with Andy, Hasan, Bella and Poki at KBBQ, bar
|retrieved-date = 2024, March 19
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3FdEGY9Xo8
}} </ref>

=== Destiny IRL streams with Hasan and Andy, gets very drunk ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22L8ynUNxsc&t=7sc|300px|right| '''STOP JĘRKIŃG ME OFF'''}}
[[File:Batstiny.png|400px|thumb|left|A drunk destiny revealing he has no weapons in his sweatshirt.]]
Sometime around January 25, 2019, Destiny IRL streamed with Hasan and Andy Milonakis at a restaurant.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = January
|day = 25
|title = STOP JĘRKIŃG ME OFF
|retrieved-date = 2024, March 19
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22L8ynUNxsc
}} </ref> During the stream, Destiny became inebriated to the point where restaurant staff were forced to cut him off.

'''Highlights from Destiny's drunk escapades include:'''
*[https://youtu.be/22L8ynUNxsc?t=266 4:26] Shortly after proclaiming himself the "master of manipulating Gyoza", Destiny proceeds to drop a dumpling on the floor. Destiny then picks the dumpling off the floor and eats it, to Hasan's disdain.
* [https://youtu.be/22L8ynUNxsc?t=292 4:52] The restaurant manager walks in to greet Andy and the group. After shaking the manager's hand, Destiny decides to inform the manager: "I drank a little bit too much but I'm not causing trouble okay? I'm not hitting anybody or anything." Hasan questions why Destiny would even say this, to which Destiny recounts his casino experience dealing with drunk people. The manager then requests that Andy and Hasan ensure Destiny does not drive home, to which Destiny empathetically responds he would never want the owner to be held liable for his drunk driving. Following this interaction, Hasan concludes Destiny won that debate.
* [https://youtu.be/22L8ynUNxsc?t=349 5:49] After staring at his phone confusedly, Destiny asks Andy if he paid for his portion of the meal asserting he does not want to "leech" off of him. The waitress then stops by, informing the table that Destiny is being cut off from any further alcoholic beverages.
* [https://youtu.be/22L8ynUNxsc?t=370 6:10] Destiny lifts up his sweatshirt to reveal he has no guns on his person. Hasan shouts at Destiny for even implying he would be armed, Destiny responds "what if he looks up my license plate".
* [https://youtu.be/22L8ynUNxsc?t=396 6:36] Destiny grabs Hasan's chest.
* [https://youtu.be/22L8ynUNxsc?t=418 6:58] Destiny states he has empirical data on the best joke ever.
{{blockquote
|quote="So all of a sudden, a friend is out hunting with another friend, and they call 9-1-1. And he says: My friend is on the ground as he's in distress. And the 9-1-1 caller says: Okay, well what's wrong? And the guy says: I think he's dead. And then the first thing she says is: You need to make sure that he's dead first. And there's a long silence and then a gunshot. And the guy is like: okay now what?"
|name=The empirically funniest joke ever according to a very drunk Destiny.}}
* [https://youtu.be/22L8ynUNxsc?t=453 7:33] After Destiny attempts to grab Hasan's chest once more, Hasan tells him to stop. Destiny then asks why Hasan is being homophobic.
* [https://youtu.be/22L8ynUNxsc?t=511 8:31] Destiny gives Andy $200, and tells him to leave the rest as a tip.
* [https://youtu.be/22L8ynUNxsc?t=550 9:07] After Hasan denies a request to take a group photo with some individuals, Destiny questions why. Hasan responds it's because they did not want Destiny in the photo, and he wanted to stand in solidarity with his friend.

=== Hasan, Destiny, and Hbomberguy discuss politics, Brexit, and Darksydephil ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyOnBYaLFwY|300px|right| '''There's something you value more than democracy... ft. Hasan Piker & H.Bomberguy'''}}
On January 1, 2019 Destiny and Hasan discussed politics, {{wiki|Antisemitism||,}} {{wiki|Brexit||,}} and [[DarksydePhil]] with British youtuber [[Hbomberguy]].<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = January
|day = 3
|title = There’s something you value more than democracy... ft. Hasan Piker & H.Bomberguy
|retrieved-date = 2024, March 20
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyOnBYaLFwY
}} </ref> During their brief discussion on personal politics, all three parties eventually came to the conclusion that they are in favor of incremental changes towards a better society. The trio then discuss the veracity of the antisemitism accusations levied towards the Leader of the British Labour Party, {{wiki|Jeremy_Corbyn|Jeremy Corbyn|,}} while the three agree antisemitism is present in British politics, they ultimately conclude that the accusations were superfluous. The topic of controversial British politicians eventually leads to a discussion on Britain's upcoming withdrawal from the {{wiki|European_Union|European Union|.}} The primary contention in this topic being whether a second {{wiki|referendum}} on Brexit would be justified. Destiny put forth the argument that constantly redoing a vote until a particular outcome is achieved sets a poor precedent, while Hbomberguy argued that the vote won with a slim margin several years ago and voters were not quite as informed on the issue as they were presently (hence the need for another vote). Despite this initial disagreement, both parties end up agreeing important votes such as Brexit should never be held to a referendum.

{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Discussion Highlights
|-
|
''' Personal Politics'''
 
[https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=626 10:26] After Hbomberguy states he has seen many of Destiny's debates, but has never seen him "sit down" and discuss what his opinions are, Destiny and Hbomberguy discuss their personal political stances. Destiny begins by asking if Hbomberguy is a "big lefty", in the sense that he believes capitalism is inherently unsavable. Hbomberguy responds that he considers himself to be an "incrementalist", stating that small changes to make the current system work better. Destiny mirrors this sentiment, and concludes that he and Hbomberguy are fairly well aligned politically. Hasan concludes that they are all on the same side politically, particularly when it comes to US politics.
 
''' Jeremy Corbyn and antisemitism '''
 
[https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=1068 17:48] After Hbomberguy jokingly refers to {{wiki|Jeremy_Corbyn|Jeremy Corbyn}} as the next {{wiki|Jesus}} for having "JC" in his name and being crucified(metaphorically) by Jews, the trio discusses the antisemitism accusations levied towards the British political leader. Destiny begins by confessing he has read very little into the topic, and asks Hbomberguy how valid the accusations were. Hbomberguy responds that the accusations held little water, and that a misinterpretation of a quote from Corbyn regarding bankers and a financial crisis ultimately spearheaded the claims. Hasan remarks that despite the baselessness of th accusations, there still exists plenty of antisemitism throughout British politics.
 
''' Brexit and repealing the Brexit Referendum '''
 
[https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=1284 21:24] Destiny jokingly asks Hbomberguy if he's ready for a "no-deal" Brexit. Hbomberguy expresses his shock that the deal is still going through and that an alternative deal has not been sought out. He goes on to state that he plans to move to {{wiki|Wales||.}} Destiny sympathizes with Hbomberguy's despair, and remarks how difficult the situation is, citing the immense difficulting in "undoing" a referendum. Hbomberguy agrees, but states a "ton of people have changed their minds", and argues that a second referendum may steer the country back on course. Destiny disagrees with this point, and argues that doing over votes until a particular result is achieved sets a poor precedent. Hbomberguy then puts forth the argument that the individuals in favor of brexit, seem to only want it to go through because a "slim-margin" of citizens voted for it several years ago, which seems to vary from the logic at the time that the exit from the EU was "good".

Despite the initial disagreement, both Destiny and Hbomberguy agree the Brexit vote should never have been held up to a referendum to begin with. Following this, Hasan argues that Destiny has become "even more of a {{wiki|tankie}}" than he has, due to the authoritarian perspective he just presented. Destiny responds that in some cases democracy is a poor idea, providing the example of citizens potentially voting on monetary policy. Hasan lauds Hbomberguy for creating such a good analogy, and Destiny argues that it is in fact a horrible analogy. Destiny explains that Hbomberguy is essentially arguing "no referendum matters because you can always do another one."

|}
{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Discussion timestamps
|-
|
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY 0:00] Hasan informs Destiny that he has Hbomberguy "on the line", and thinks it would be an interesting opportunity for Destiny to meet with him. Destiny confesses he has exchanged messages with Hbomberguy on {{wiki|Skype}} in the past, but never had anything to discuss with him.
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=53 0:53] After Hbomberguy joins the call, Hasan recounts a New Years party full of "clouted" youtubers.
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=298 4:48] Hasan asks to play Call of Duty with Destiny, Destiny agrees.
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=345 5:45] Hasan discusses Hbomberguy's recent video on {{wiki|Flat_Earth|Flat Earth|,}} and expresses his surprise that it didn't devolve into antisemitism like most conspiracy theories.
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=626 10:26] Destiny and Hbomberguy discuss their personal politics.
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=856 14:06] Destiny details his grievances with most "capitalists" such as Charlie Kirk, don't understand even basic economic theory regarding markets.
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=1068 17:48] The trio discusses Jeremy Corbyn and antisemitism.
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=1193 19:53] Destiny and Hasan briefly discuss {{wiki|Zionism||.}}
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=1281 21:21] The three discuss Brexit.
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=1528 25:28] Hasan states Destiny has become even more of a tanky than he has.
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=1615 26:55] Destiny describes the strength of the American system being slow.
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=1685 28:05] Destiny discusses how the "easy" problems in society have been solved.
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=1865 31:05] Hbomberguy mocks hasan for explaining a joke.
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=2052 34:12] Destiny and Hbomberguy continue to debate brexit.
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=2240 37:20] Hbomberguy states he's pro-democracy in principle, but not in practice. Destiny argues that this means he's not pro-democracy.
* [https://youtu.be/YyOnBYaLFwY?t=3215 53:55] The trio begin to discuss "the adventures of Darksydephil."
|}

=== Hasan and Destiny debate breaking news ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FcDO7jYQQ8|300px|right| '''I F#%*ING HATE BREAKING NEWS FT. HASAN PIKER'''}}
On January 7, 2019 Hasan and Destiny debated the ethicacy of reporting on breaking news and the roles of journalists and commentators in shaping public perception.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = January
|day = 9
|title = I F#%*ING HATE BREAKING NEWS FT. HASAN PIKER
|retrieved-date = 2024, March 22
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FcDO7jYQQ8
}}</ref> This was among one of the first major on-stream disagreements the two would have, and was met with an overwhelmingly negative response from youtube comments(primarily criticising Hasan).<ref name="BreakingNewsComments"> [[Media:HasanBreakingNewsComments.png]]</ref>

The conversation begins with a discussion on right-wing political commentator [[NuanceBro]], and a video he had made in response to Hasan's coverage over the [https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/1/10/18175589/jazmine-barnes-shooting-houston-texas-race| death of Jazmine Barnes] being a potential hate crime. Hasan goes on to describe how the eventual revelation that the shooting was in fact gang-related(and not a hate crime), resulted in his channel being brigaded by individuals accusing him of "race-baiting" and condemnations because he did not wait for more information to come out. Hasan informs Destiny that he felt this criticism was unfair, arguing that he was merely parroting what major news sources at the time were stating. Destiny took issue with Hasan's perspective, and argued Hasan was irresponsible with his covering of the shooting, asserting he should have waited for all information relating to the event to be released. Moreover, Destiny argued that Hasan should have avoided constructing a narrative around hate crimes, pointing to the hypocrisy Hasan would show if a right-leaning commentator speculated about Arabs following a bombing.

{{blockquote
|quote="Here's my position on this...There's literally absolutely never ever ever ever...This is why I hate breaking news... There's never any value that comes out of covering these types of things, before all the information is released... Knowing about it a day or two or whatever earlier, it never gives you anything better, and there's so much potential harm that can come from doing it early, that's why I just try to avoid making any comment"
|name=Destiny<ref>[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=269 4:32]</ref>}}

By the conversation's end, Hasan conceded that framing a racial narrative around the shooting so early was irresponsible. However, he maintained that his job is to "opine", insisting he was justified in reporting on the story with the available facts at the time.

{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Destiny and Hasan's positions
|-
|
''' The shooting'''
 
On December 30, 2018, 7-year-old Jazmine Barnes was shot in a Houston, Texas parking lot while sitting in a car with her family. The initial description of the suspect was a white male in his 40s, which led to widespread speculation over the shooting being potentially racially motivated. The racial aspect of the case was heavily emphasized in media coverage, with public figures and activists rallying for justice under the belief that Jazmine was targeted because of her race.

However, the case took a significant turn when the actual suspects, Eric Black Jr. and Larry Woodruffe, both African American males, were arrested following a tip-off. They were charged with capital murder, and it emerged that the shooting was a case of mistaken identity; the suspects had believed they were attacking individuals from a different vehicle due to an ongoing gang-feud. This revelation led to a controversy over the initial media coverage and public discourse, which had strongly focused on the racial angle based on the first description provided by witnesses.<ref>{{cite
|source-name = Vox
|year = 2019
|month = January
|day = 10
|title = Jazmine Barnes’s death and what it says about race and violence in America
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/1/10/18175589/jazmine-barnes-shooting-houston-texas-race
}} </ref> Hasan was among the individuals who took part in this media coverage.
 
''' Hasan's position'''
 
[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=44 0:44] Hasan recounts the shooting, stating four eyewitnesses gave their testimony about a white individual shooting Jazmine. Police officers disseminated this information to the public. He continues, explaining that the police officers had not ruled out hate crimes as a motive. According to Hasan, when police departments issue statements like this, they more often than not identify the incidents as hate crimes. Using this early information, Hasan tells Destiny that he created a video detailing all the early coverage. He informed his audience that the police had not dismissed the possibility of a hate crime as the motive and decided to educate his audience about hate crimes in America.

[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=129 2:09] Shortly after releasing his video, Hasan describes enduring brigading when new information about the shooting surfaces, identifying the shooters as black, which rules out the hate-crime motive. People accuse him of "race-baiting" and criticize him for not waiting for "all the facts to come out." Hasan defends himself by arguing that he was working with the information available just as any news organization would. Hasan goes on to state the criticism he receives is unjustified as he issued a correction and deleted the video of his coverage.

[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=520 8:40] Hasan argues that if "the information wasn't solid" he would not have worked with it. Destiny rejects this characterization, arguing Hasan "did not work towards anything to get to the hate-crime". Hasan counters, stating he did not assert anything in the situation was a hate-crime, and merely decided to speak on the issue at the time. Destiny tells Hasan to chill, and states he's doing what NuanceBro does when he decides to discuss African American crime statistics.

[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=717 11:57] Hasan states he has never been in a situation where the police officers and all eyewitness testimony was incorrect, and argues once more he was justified in covering the video.

[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=1533 25:33] Hasan asserts he cannot wait for all the facts to come out, as it would be at a detriment to his job. Destiny disagrees, and posits a hypothetical to Hasan:
"Let's say you report the facts about some story, the facts are all true... let's say that from those facts, you could draw three or four likely scenarios that could have happened. Do you think it would be responsible to talk about any of those scenarios without having further facts to confirm them... You're speculating based off incomplete facts on a narrative you can't support." - Destiny

Hasan responds once more that his job is to "opine", and he was justified in covering the story with the facts he had.

[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=1720 28:40] Destiny describes a hypothetical scenario where an arab was accused of a terrorist attack, and right-wing pundits decided to discuss arab extremism as a whole. Hasan agrees the pundits would be justified.

[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=2338 38:55] Hasan states his job isn't to report the news uncritically and flow a narrative around it. Destiny, not paying attention to what Hasan was saying, is incredulous by a bold poker move linked to him by a chatter.
 
''' Destiny's position'''
 
[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=186 3:06] Destiny disagrees with Hasan's perspective, arguing that even talking about the situation potentially being a hate-crime is irresponsible, given that so little information was available. Destiny then points to the example of performing similar coverage if a bombing had occurred and the police had not ruled out an Arab person. Hasan then argues that this analogy does not sufficiently encompass the situation, pointing to the various witnesses identifying the shooter (shortly after, a chatter points out that witness-id is rarely accurate).

[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=271 4:31],[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=509 8:29],[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=646 10:46], [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=754 12:34], [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=950 15:50] Destiny routinely asserts that there was no reason for Hasan to cover this event before any more information had come out, and there was no value to be gained from doing so.

[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=1121 18:45] Destiny argues Hasan could have covered the immediate news regarding the shooting without framing a narrative and should not have decided to leverage the situation to discuss hate-crimes.

''' When is the right time to cover news stories? '''
 
[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=897 14:57] Hasan asks Destiny what the right time to cover news stories is. Destiny argues that he hates breaking news, and the dangers around breaking news are too great to risk covering it. Destiny goes on to assert that narratives can be formed very early on when a story is covered too soon, and retractions are woefully ineffective in reframing said narrative.

[https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=2128 35:28] Hasan states he has a very limited window to get a message across and must cover facts pertaining to breaking news immediately.

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* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=2 0:02] Hasan asks Destiny about [[Trainwreckstv]] potentially getting [[NuanceBro]] on his podcast. Destiny responds negatively, implying the conversation would be boring. Hasan then points to NuanceBro's recent video on the death of Jazmine Barnes which was made in response to Hasan's coverage.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=189 3:09] Destiny gives his perspective on the situation, stating he likely disagrees with Hasan. The two discuss for some time.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=257 4:17] A chatter argues that witness ID is known to be notoriously inaccurate.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=283 4:43] Destiny argues that there is no value in covering breaking news, and that one should wait for all the information to be released.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=386 6:26] Hasan states he issued a correction and took the video down.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=504 8:24] Destiny reiterates there was no value in Hasan covering the topic before more information released, and that he should have waited before covering the story.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=573 9:33] Destiny recounts the events from Hasan's perspective, and informs Hasan why he's in the wrong and should have waited for more information to come out.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=645 10:45] Destiny asserts it does not matter if Hasan reported all the facts correctly, he still should have waited for more information to come out.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=754 12:34] Destiny tells Hasan he should have waited for more information to come out.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=835 13:55] Destiny criticizes Hasan for "reaching" with his arguments.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=897 14:57] Hasan asks Destiny what the right time to cover news stories is. Destiny responds that he hates breaking news, and finds it dangerous to report on.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=1071 17:51] Destiny reiterates that one could leverage all of Hasan's arguments to justify the potential culprit of a bombing to be Arab.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=1121 18:45] Destiny asserts Hasan should have covered the story without framing a narrative.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=1225 20:25] Hasan admits he was at fault for saying there is a likelihood of the shooting being a hate crime. He then laments "everyone in chat being an ethics in journalism major."
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=1396 23:16] Hasan yells at chat, Destiny eventually posits a hypothetical to Hasan.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=1720 28:40] Destiny provides another hypothetical; Hasan's answer remains the same.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=2128 35:28] Hasan describes the limited window he has to cover events as they occur.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=2271 37:51] A chatter compares Destiny's chatroom to North Korea.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=2317 38:37] Hasan states he's trying to figure out what he should do differently in the future. Destiny tells him to just report the facts.
* [https://youtu.be/0FcDO7jYQQ8?t=2369 39:29] Destiny reacts to a poker clip.
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=== Hasan and Destiny IRL stream at a mall ===
On January 29, 2019, Hasan and Destiny <s> went on a romantic stroll</s> IRL streamed at a mall.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = January
|day = 29
|title = I DIDN’T KNOW I GRABBED THE MAGNUM XXXL’S
|retrieved-date = 2024, April 2
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4V1zrh0W4A
}} </ref>

=== Destiny, Hasan, Vaush, and RemTheBathBoi debate the necessity of philosophical "grounding". The phrase "morally lucky" is coined ===
{{blockquote
|quote="Someone is morally lucky when they arrive at the correct position without any sort of critical thinking as to why it is correct."
|name=Rem in a [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/cbfh6y/rem_what_i_mean_by_moral_luck_with_regards_to/ reddit post] following the conversation<ref>{{cite
|source-name = Reddit
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = Rem: What I mean by moral luck with regards to [topic not specified]
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/cbfh6y/rem_what_i_mean_by_moral_luck_with_regards_to/
}}</ref>}}
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjszEJBKWRs|300px|right| '''Streamer Drama ft. Hasanabi, Vaush, Marty & RemTheBathBoi'''}}
On March 23, 2019 Hasan, [[Rem]], [[Vaush]], [[Marty]], and Destiny engaged in a heated discussion on the necessity of a foundational philosophical understanding for those engaging in political advocacy.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = March
|day = 23
|title = Streamer Drama ft. Hasanabi, Vaush, Marty & RemTheBathBoi
|retrieved-date = 2024, April 3
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjszEJBKWRs
}} </ref> In the discussion, Rem argued that political pundits, especially those with large audiences, have a responsibility to ensure their arguments are philosophically grounded. Rem asserts that individuals who do not do so, run the risk of "lucking" into their positions through life experiences (Rem provided Hasan and Vaush as examples). Shortly after Rem makes this statement, an irate Hasan (seemingly under the belief Rem is trying to "clout farm") and a bewildered Vaush (seemingly hurt by Rem's comments) join the conversation and proceed to have a very tense confrontation with Rem. During the debate, Hasan and Vaush argued Rem’s position is unrealistic, particularly in the context of the fast-paced and often "surface-level" nature of online discourse.

Hasan stayed in the call for around two hours before needing to leave for bed. Prior to his departure, Hasan posited the following question to Rem: "How much analytical philosophy did {{wiki|Martin_Luther_King_Jr.|Martin Luther King}} engage in before he decided to do advocacy?" Rem argued this was the worst possible example Hasan could have given, as MLK was a very well-read student of philosophy and even wrote [https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/exposition-first-triad-categories-hegelian-logic-being-non-being-becoming a paper] on {{wiki|Georg_Wilhelm_Friedrich_Hegel|Hegel}} and {{wiki|Continental_philosophy|Continental philosophy|.}} Vaush left the call shortly following Hasan's departure, seemingly frustrated with attempting to engage with Rem and his position.

After Hasan and Vaush's exit, Destiny held an hour-long discussion with Rem and Marty to explore ways the conversation could have been more productive. He argued that one side had to "rise above" the other and suggested that the heated way Hasan and Vaush joined the call, combined with Rem's difficulty in clearly conveying his message, contributed to making the conversation unproductive. While Destiny didn't fully express his opinion on "moral luck" until Vaush and Hasan left, he emphasized that Rem held the correct stance in the conversation. He argued that individuals with large audiences should at least possess his own level of philosophical knowledge before advocating for their positions, citing his personal experience in debating individuals who failed to provide adequate arguments against incest.

Rem coined the phrase [[Moral_Luck|"morally lucky"]] during the debate to criticize Hasan and Vaush, defining it as a situation where an individual arrives at a position without engaging in any "philosophical grounding" as to why the position is correct, and may not truly be advocating for the "most correct" positions. The term became so pervasive within the broader DGG community, references to it can be seen [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/search/?q=morally+lucky&include_over_18=on&restrict_sr=on&t=all&sort=new to this day].

{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
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''' Is Destiny wasting his time? '''
 
[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=3 0:03] The conversation begins with Rem inquiring about the status of Hasan and Vaush's relationship. Destiny replies that he has his own personal theories, but ultimately "everybody hates everybody right now." Following this, Rem describes his attempts at streaming feeling like a waste of time, puts forth that argument that Destiny may be wasting his time as well engaging in debates with "stupid" people online, and asks if Destiny feels like he's "helping people". Destiny responds that while he is not interested in helping individuals, he does feel like his content aids people.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=81 1:21] Rem asks Destiny if he thinks he could be helping people better by giving positive arguments for different policy positions as opposed to engaging with the "lowest common denominator of society". Destiny responds with an anecdote about a former friend of the stream's ([[Micspam]]) argument that Destiny should have become the next [[Philip DeFranco]] (i.e. just covering politics and policies). Destiny argues that he could potentially do this, but feels he is uniquely suited to engage in the particular debates he participates in, while being able to reach a type of audience that is typically unreachable by pundits on his side of the political spectrum. Destiny concludes that he is in fact "doing good".

''' The difficulty of Leftists engaging with philosophy and "lucking" into the correct positions AKA Rem defines moral luck (and accuses Hasan of fitting the definition) '''
 
[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=217 3:37] Rem remarks that several leftists content creators he has personally engaged with, have difficulty engaging with even the most minute philosophical concepts. Rem then puts forth the argument that these individuals are deriving their positions from their life experiences. Destiny agrees with this characterization of individuals on the left, and points to how the same could be said to several individuals on the other end of the political spectrum.

Rem then argues that Hasan falls into this category of "morally lucky" individuals, and Destiny laughingly states, "that's way too brutal, hold on". Rem goes on to describe the difficulty he had in his fruitless two-hour long conversation with Hasan in getting him to proclaim any "ethical positions". Destiny puts forth the argument that some individuals don't' have the "drive" to "ground things out", and that one could always push for more "grounding". Destiny points to himself as an example, as despite his engagement with philosophy, he has not read quite enough literature to deem himself "fully grounded" for any given position.

Rem caveats that while he does not think Hasan is a bad person, and does in fact do plenty good, he considers Hasan to have "lucked" into his positions. Destiny counters that he believes Hasan is "grounded enough" to provide good policy level arguments. Destiny goes on to argue that having someone like Hasan who happens to be morally lucky is fine, as he can make other people morally lucky by finding his own stream.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=547 9:07] MrMouton joins the call and asks what the term "morally lucky" means. Destiny explains:
"When Rem says that Hasan is morally lucky, what Rem is saying is, Hasan doesn't actually have the proper philosophical groundings for his ideas, and he could have just as easily been an alt-righter, and he just happened to grow up around enough people who are left-leaning, and that's why he's left leaning." - Destiny

Rem once again caveats that Hasan is more empirically correct than individuals on the right, as individuals on the left are arguably more well read on certain positions. Destiny laughs at this argument, and argues that Hasan isn't quite as well read as he should be, pointing to arguments the two have had revolving around rent-control. Rem jokingly states he's trying to dig himself out a hole with Hasan right now, and Destiny isn't helping. Rem then argues that moral luck may explain why The Young Turks spawned someone like Dave Rubin, Destiny laughs that Rem seems to be on "Team Vaush". Rem points out that Vaush has not read philosophy either, and that anything said about Hasan could also apply to Vaush.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=701 11:41] Destiny states that he agrees with Rem to some extent, at least on an emotional level. He points out that he enjoys grounding out his opinions more so than other individuals, as it allows him to change and adapt to new ideas easily. Destiny then argues that if an individual does not wish to do all the legwork involved in philosophically grounding oneself, and they more or less fall in line with his own positions, he doesn't necessarily think it's a bad thing. Destiny then suggests that while it would be ideal if Hasan was literally citing philosophers on stream, it's not realistic.

''' Hasan and Vaush join the call '''
 
[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1037 17:17] Hasan joins the call, appears to be immediately irate with Rem's positions and remarks that nobody can understand anything Rem is saying without a PHD. He then asks what this "morally lucky bullshit" is and offers to "sprinkle" Rem some moral luck, and derides Rem for "shitting on other content creators". Rem does not take kindly to these remarks, and the two have a fairly heated conversation for some time, before Vaush eventually joins the call.

Shortly after Vaush joins the call, Hasan earnestly attempts to engage with Rem regarding the difficulties he experiences in bringing over complex philosophical terms into the streaming medium he inhabits. Hasan goes on to admit this is a "bottleneck" for himself, and argues that it may be a difficulty for Rem as well. Rem counters this, arguing that he does not go onto public platforms with massive audiences, and taught a political philosophy that he does not feel he can adequately ground in an ethical theory. Rem goes on to describe the difficulty he experienced in getting Hasan to "ground" himself in an ethical theory in a prior conversation they had.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1237 20:37] Rem remarks that while Destiny possesses some frankly morbid philosophical positions, he can actually ground his political positions. Destiny then asserts that one could argue "how could you have any metaethical position when you're lost with things like metaphysics or epistemology." Vaush cuts Rem off before he can respond, and asks Rem if he truly believes he "lucked" into being a leftist.

''' The debate '''
 
[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1314 21:54] Shortly after Hasan criticizes Rem for needing to take a significant amount of time to explain his position, Rem asserts the following:
"You can have one(a perspective), but you have to simultaneously acknowledge that yours is just as justified as someone who is on the alt-right."
As Destiny opens up Factorio, Rem then directly asks if either Hasan or Vaush can give ethical reasons to support their political positions. Hasan then responds that he would like to see the "redistribution of girlfriends." Vaush responds: "I want the greatest number of people to experience the greatest amount of happiness possible. I believe I follow that by pursuing policies which allow for the material redistribution of wealth, which would allow people to get the most they can out of the consumption of material necessities that will allow them to live... free of subsistence worries."

Shortly after Rem acknowledges Vaush's utilitarian perspective, he asks Vaush: "What if I was a {{wiki|Deontology|Deontologist|,}} your position is not compatible with Deontology, and I don't think you have a way to argue against me if I was one." To which Vaush retorts that he should not have to shoulder the burden of Deontologists and Utilitarians, and would rather just "dab" on right wingers without having to solve an "unsolvable" philosophical dilemma. Rem then acknowledges that while people in Vaush's position may be able to attack those on the right who are incompatible with most ethical systems, they would still have to concede that their positions are just as justifiable (from a philosophical framework perspective) as those on the right. Vaush responds he would never attack right-leaning individuals from a philosophical perspective, and would instead argue with the fundamental immorality of their arguments.

Rem posits a hypothetical to Vaush: "Could you actually give me an argument right now to my(hypothetical) position where I have an ethical system, such that, black people are excluded as being moral agents. Do you actually think you could give me a... philosophical argument against that?" Vaush responds he would be unable to, and that he would just want his debate opponent in this hypothetical to "be dead". Hasan responds that Rem would have to justify if black people had agency in this scenario as well.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1491 24:51] Destiny provides a "real life" example which served as justification for his own endeavors into philosophy:
"When somebody says something like "I believe in the superiority of the white race over black people. I can make these like vague understanding things like 'I believe all people should be treated equally..' or by having a little bit of an understanding of the underlying arguments, I can turn the argument on them and I can say something like 'okay, well you think that white people's lives should be valued more than black people's... what if I were to make that argument more extreme and say white people with brown eyes instead of white people with blue eyes' and then I could turn that onto them and force them to answer the question. I think having a slightly better understanding of deeper principles can enable you to understand an opponent's argument better and dig a little deeper and them kind of turn it around on them. I don't think i'd be able to do that if I hadn't spent a little time engaging with some ideas." - Destiny

Hasan retorts that this is allegedly not enough according to Rem's framework, and that Destiny would be required to be able to justify morally that black people have agency before he can argue on behalf of black people. Rem agrees, and argues that this is not a difficult thing to do, to which Vaush assets such a position is not pragmatic for people engaging in actual political advocacy/debates. Rem then asserts that while the average person should not reasonably be expected to bear this responsibility, individuals advocating for political positions, especially on public platforms, should be expected to put in the "philosophical work" to ensure their position is the correct one. Vaush mockingly suggests that Rem is advocating for people to pursue philosophy before joining in political advocacy, to which Rem reiterates that is not his belief.

Vaush argues his perspective as a {{wiki|Rule_utilitarianism|rule utilitarian|,}} that even if he has not fully "solved" the philosophical implications of what he believes in, he could make the argument that people could broadly lead better lives under his system than under the system of fascists. Vaush goes on to argue he has a utilitarian obligation to engage in {{wiki|Praxis_(process)|praxis}} against their values. Rem replies, in the case of right-winger, Vaush does have the moral justification to argue his position, given most ethical systems are incompatible with right-leaning positions. He caveats that his primary argument centers around the distinction between an individual who considers themself to be a communist versus a {{wiki|John_Rawls|Rawlsian}} liberal.

Rem's train of thought is then interrupted by a "deez nuts" joke from MrMouton, at which point Hasan takes the time to thank Rem for making him seem more entertaining by comparison. Vaush replies that this remark was rude, and Rem replies that such a personal attack indicates that Hasan is incapable of defending his own position. From this point the two engage in a very heated personal (and unproductive) argument.
"Hasan literally almost everything you've said in this discussion so far, has just been a personal attack, and you've not actually engaged with me on any sort of level". -Rem
Hasan then accuses Rem of gaslighting, and calls-back to a time where he believes Rem referred to himself as "morally inconsistent". Rem denies ever saying such a thing, and Destiny attempts to steer the conversation back on track shortly after by restating Rem's argument with an analogy:
"Let's say we want to take a car trip... and the best vehicle we can take is a nice blue car, it gets really good miles per gallon. Now, let's say you have a really advanced driver, and he says, 'I know that this car is good, because it has very good miles per gallon, so we're gonna use that car to go on the road trip.' What Rem is saying, is that you don't know enough about cars, to know that the reason why you're driving that blue car is because it gets a lot of miles per gallon. So what could happen is, another shiny blue car could drive by, like an alt-right blue car, and you might wanna drive that car instead even if it gets shitty miles per gallon, because you don't understand why you were ever driving the original blue car."- Destiny explaining Rem's argument with an analogy.

Hasan attempts to engage with the analogy, and argues that if he looks at the history of the alt-right blue car in this scenario, and finds that it has killed several individuals, he could make an informed decision without needing to understand the underlying mechanics of the car. Rem takes issue with this, and argues that if Hasan's intention is to "sell the fucking car", he needs to understand the underlying mechanisms behind the product. Vaush chimes in and states the analogy has been broken down to uselessness, he argues that when individuals in his position engage in political advocacy, they are making some "basic points" and hoping people "pick the fuck up" on it.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1936 32:16] Shortly after Vaush claims that he is "grounded", Rem asks what his grounding is. Vaush responds that he has an "axiomatic foundation of wanting to maximize happiness for as many people as possible." Rem mocks Vaush for "presupposing a random thing" that he refuses to justify, to which Vaush argues that most of philosophy is built on "unjustified presupposed axioms". Rem then derides Destiny for "bringing on a new generation of axiomatists", and Vaush pointedly asks Rem to prove to him that it is the right thing to maximize happiness for the maximum amount of people." Rem responds that he doesn't necessarily believe that, decides to play Devil's advocate, and claims he holds an axiom that he wants to cause the most harm to everyone. From this point, Vaush becomes increasingly irate with Rem.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2047 34:07] Vaush asks Rem what the political value of attempting to objectively determine the ideal mode of values that one needs to engage in political advocacy is. Vaush goes on to argue that pundits in his position make the best arguments they can, and every individual regardless of how solid their argument, will enact force/violence against the individuals they disagree with. Vaush concludes that politics is violence. Rem writes this entire argument off as pure "rhetoric" and steers the conversation back to the discussion on axioms. Rem proceeds to argue that because Vaush seemingly choosing an axiom at random, if he were to debate against an individual with a different axiom, he would be unable to have a conversation. Rem then explains {{wiki|Normative_ethics|Normative Ethics}} to Vaush, a philosophical topic centered around the debate of moral axioms. Shortly after, Rem mockingly suggests that Vaush would have known this if he read more philosophical theory.

After a brief moment where Vaush, Rem and Hasan shout at one another in unison, Destiny attempts to explain Vaush's position to Rem. He explains that Vaush would argue someone like Donald Trump would not be able to ground out his positions morally, let alone define what the word "normative" means, despite being in a position of utmost political power. Rem retorts that he was making a philosophical argument and not a political one. To which Destiny responds Vaush and Hasan are more interested in political discourse than philosophical discourse. Rem then responds that while Vaush and Hasan would be able to have a political perspective, they would be unable to have a "justifiable" one without rooting it in a moral framework.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2210 36:50] Vaush proceeds to argue that while he respects Rem's intelligence, and is admittedly "very triggered" at the moment, any argument Rem is making regarding philosophy and leftists would be laughed at from those on the right. Rem counters that he had not even hinted at such an argument. Vaush continues his argument regardless, and asserts that if leftists were to attempt to live up to Rem's standards there would be very few available to combat right-leaning thought.

''' Vaush believes people who don't share his political beliefs should be killed '''
 
[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2377 39:37] Rem points out that Vaush believes "we should kill people who don't share his political beliefs. Rem goes on to describe this as a very drastic position, and argues that one who holds such a radical belief should be able to morally back it up. He goes on to deride Vaush for being incapable of morally backing such a position, and his persistent refusal in acknowledging his lack of a moral position.

In response, Vaush argues that he "operates in pragmatism", and points to an example of somebody who believes in "genocidal {{wiki|Nihilism|nihilism|."}} He asserts an individual who engages in such a belief, is far beyond having a "sit-down" conversation. He goes on to argue that the proper way to deal with such an individual who holds such a belief is to "jail or kill them." Following this explanation, Rem states Vaush's position makes more sense, but caveats the way his position was stated makes it appear as though there is no possible discourse one could have with Vaush if they share a different ethical axiom. Vaush counters, arguing once more that Rem's position is impractical.

Vaush goes on to state that while it may be possible to "hash out" different value systems in a neutral way, he does not believe it is practical for the average human being, and concludes that it should not be relevant for the "political process". Rem responds that his position would be more relevant to individuals with larger audiences. He points to an example of an individual "going to a picket-line", not necessarily needing a moral framework to engage in such an activity. He juxtaposes this against someone like Destiny, someone who's political messages have been heard by millions of individuals, and argues that Destiny must make it his priority to ensure his positions are the absolute correct ones. Rem concludes that the goal of politics is to advocate for the most correct, and true positions. Destiny disagrees with this conclusion.

''' Exskillsme joins '''
 

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2637 43:57] [[Exskillsme]] chimes in, arguing that Rem's position regarding individuals with different axioms being unable to have a discussion is incorrect. Rem denies ever saying such a thing, points out that he actually argued against this position, and informs Exskillsme that Vaush actually made this argument. Exskillsme then informs Vaush that they had previously had discussions despite the fact that both appeared to have differing axioms. Vaush counters, asserting Exskillsme engaged his value system with "flagrant dishonesty and no actual interest."

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2761 46:01] Exskillsme explains why he's somewhat in agreement with Rem, arguing that while a moral grounding should be prioritized for individuals with large audiences, these individuals do not necessarily need to "solve philosophy". Rem is satisfied with the answer, and agrees with Exskillsme position. Vaush, seemingly in disbelief that Rem and Exskillsme were able to come to an agreement so shortly, takes issue with this development.

''' Hasan argues with Rem '''
 

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2907 48:17] Hasan and Vaush ask Rem what he "identifies" as on the political spectrum. Rem informs them that he identifies as a "democratic socialist". Hasan further probes, asking Rem if he believes in "seizing the means of production", and Marxist principles. Hasan then concludes that they both have similar political beliefs, and attempts to understand Rem's perspective better by asking why he and Vaush could have become alt-righters if they were not surrounded by other left-leaning individuals.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=3032 50:32] After Hasan claims that one can ground themselves within an ethical system without "getting to the root of kantian philosophy", Rem asks Hasan what he thinks grounding is. Hasan avoids answering the question, and claims to have adopted Vaush's perspective of "maximizing happiness" of the most amount of individuals. In response, Rem provides a hypothetical of an individual growing up in {{wiki|Nazi_Germany|Nazi Germany|.}} He then describes how this individual's perception of "maximizing happiness" may be vastly different from Hasan or Vaush's own. Following an inadequate response from Hasan, Rem concludes Hasan is incapable of grounding out a "logical and true" moral framework. In response, Hasan claims to not care if his system is not the "most correct", and admits being willing to change it should a perceivably better one come about. Rem then asserts this proves his own point, and that an alt-righter could say the exact same things and be just as justified as Hasan.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=3317 55:17] Rem once again informs Hasan he is just as externally justified in his positions as an alt-righter. Hasan responds that he is justified as he wants the "least amount of harm". To which Rem once again asks Hasan to ground this position, and Hasan professes to being unsure how to do so, and asserts once more he just wants the least amount of harm done to the most people. Rem once again provides a hypothetical to support his position "How would you argue against me if I were an alt-righter and my core-ethical tenant was to kill all black people?" Hasan responds, "That's a bad idea, I don't think black people want to be killed." Rem then informs Hasan this is not a proper justification for his position.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=3429 57:09] The debate derails further, and Rem discusses his issues with Hasan insulting him at the start of the conversation. Insults thrown out include: "sleeper dipshit", "condescending mother fucker", "little dick", and "sleeper cocksucker".

''' Vaush asks rem for a moral justification of left-leaning positions'''
 

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=3547 59:07] Following a heated discussion between Hasan and Rem, Vaush pointedly asks Rem to morally justify his political position. Rem confesses he is unable to morally justify his position over a different left-leaning principle, and explains it is not necessary for him to do so given the fact he is not a political pundit. Hasan and Vaush proceed to mock Rem for some time as a result of this position, and criticize Rem for holding them to a standard he does not personally live by.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=4069 1:07:49] Rem takes the "extreme position" and argues that there should be a higher bar set if one wishes to truly be "moral". Destiny takes issue with this argument and asserts that setting "too high of a bar" for oneself and those on "your side", then the other side will by nature have a much lower barrier to entry and be much more effective politically.

''' Is Rem's position elitist?'''
 
[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=4120 1:08:40] Vaush and Hasan assert Rem's position is elitist, given it would require one to have at least a master's level engagement in philosophy to accomplish. Destiny steps in, and points out the current conversation is a "microcosm" of Rem's argument. Meaning while Rem's arguments may technically be stronger than that of Hasan or Vaush, if one were to poll the audience on the issue they would argue that Rem has lost the debate due to the more effective rhetoric employed by his opponents.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=4495 1:14:55] Rem is pressured into providing a grounding for his position, before he can do so Vaush takes the opportunity to argue with Rem once more regarding holding him to a standard that Rem himself does not hold to. Vaush eventually asserts that it is not foundationally possible to justify an ethic axiom. Rem argues he can, to which Vaush essentially dares Rem to prove him wrong.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=4670 1:17:50] Following several minutes of prodding, Vaush eventually decides to debate Rem regarding the subject of {{wiki|Meditations_on_First_Philosophy|First Philosophy|.}} Before this debate can be had, Vaush throws out an olive branch to Rem, stating that while he likes Rem he'd like him to at least acknowledge there may be some pragmatic consequences to his position. Noticing that there are three people against him, Rem decides to bring in a friend to assist him.

''' Stalled joins the call AKA Rem brings in the all-star philosophy team'''
 
[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=4985 1:23:05] Friend of the stream Stalled joins the call, and asks what the original argument being had was. Following Destiny's explanation of the arguments had up to this point, Stalled pointedly asks Rem what the "line" is for meeting his standard. Rem explains that a political pundit should be able to justify their ethical axiom in a way that is not completely incoherent, and argues that it is not that hard to accomplish. Vaush counters, arguing Rem admitted it would take himself three weeks to do so even with a degree in philosophy.

''' Marty joins the call AKA Rem brings in the all-star philosophy team'''
 
[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=5144 1:25:48] Marty joins the call, and Rem asks what his position is. Marty explains that while he does not understand the full breadth of the arguments being had, he asserts one needs "some sort" of background in ethics in order to make good judgments about things. Rem eventually pointedly asks Marty if someone in politics needs to be able to justify their "chosen ends" over another person's "ends". Marty responds he is determinate about this position, arguing that while some politicians will claim domain expertise on certain subjects, they more often than not do not know what they're talking about. He further argues that any individual going into politics will likely spend at least a year in preparation before formally "entering the arena", and could likely find the time to develop the background in ethics needed to justify a position philosophically.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=5348 1:29:08] Vaush chimes in, informing Marty that Rem argued pundits should be "forced" to undergo philosophical training before entering the political landscape. Marty responds with a hypothetical: "would you let a surgeon operate on you without any formal training?" To which Vaush responds that this is a false equivalency. Marty counters, that the entire argument hinges on whether or not one should buy into the "level of professionalism" inhabited in political discourse. Marty goes on to argue that while there is not such a level of professionalism in modern political discourse, individuals like Rem argue that their ought to be.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=5448 1:30:48] Vaush provides the example of a trans-women "popping off" with their political YouTube channel, and asks Marty if he feels this individual should be barred from speaking on their lived experience until they've put in the philosophical legwork. Marty informs Vaush that he believes Vaush is misunderstanding his position. He goes on to explain that while this person can do what they want, it is not ideal that this individual is unable to formulate their position in some sort of normative ethics. Marty further explains that one could not have some "good working theory" without some background assumptions.

Vaush argues once more that Rem has staked out an unreasonable position that would make it incredibly difficult for other individuals to advocate for political stances. Marty counters all one would need to understand ethics is the internet or a library card. Destiny informs Marty this position is not reasonable, and provides the hypothetical of disaffected minority with poor access to a reasonable library/internet. Marty argues this individual would have no basis for political advocacy to begin with, as they would not be readily read in any sort of areas to begin with. Destiny counters that unlike a doctor, technically every individual engages with philosophy throughout their lives, and one's political positions could be informed by their life's situations. Marty argues that Rem seems to be arguing that in order to do "good" philosophy/ethics, one needs to deliberate upon certain kinds of beliefs.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=5970 1:39:30] Marty provides a hypothetical: "Let's say you have an ethical demand, and I don't really have to meet that demand because I work 80 hours a week, do you think that that's a respectable answer?" Vaush argues that this should not be an ethical demand to begin with, to which Marty asks Vaush if he believes any ethical obligations/social constructs should exist. Marty further elaborates that he could universally apply the same criticism of "I work 80 hours a week, therefore I don't owe you anything" to even a basic understanding of the law.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=6132 1:42:12] Vaush becomes very irate with Rem, accusing him of being a "rabble-rouser", argues there is no reason for him to let Rem talk except for entertainment purposes, asserts there is no justification for how unpragmatic Rem has been throughout the conversation, and accuses Rem of requiring a "doctoral level education in philosophy" before speaking about politics. Rem begins responding, but is cut short multiple times as individuals in the call ask Rem to speed up his response. Rem eventually makes the argument that an individual would arguably be more moral with a basic understanding of philosophy, during this time Rem mutes Vaush.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=6571 1:49:31] Vuash argues one would require a huge amount of preexisting resources/privilege to be able to meet Rem's standard. Rem counters, arguing he has met several individuals from unprivileged backgrounds who have spent time engaging with philosophy. Hasan and Vaush are quick to write this off as superfluous anecdotal evidence, mock Rem for suggesting as such, and laugh as Rem attempts to finish his argument. Vaush provides his own anecdotal evidence, asserting that the small town he lives in has several people advocating for just political issues, yet would fail to meet Rem's standard.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=6717 1:51:57] Hasan leaves the call, asks Rem how much analytical philosophy {{wiki|Martin_Luther_King_Jr.|Martin Luther King}} engaged in before he decided to do advocacy. Rem argues that this is the worst example Hasan could have gave, as MLK was a very well-read philosopher. Marty even points out that MLK wrote a paper on Hegel.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=6779 1:52:59] Rem informs Vaush he was the worst person he has had to speak to regarding this topic. The conversation continues, and Vaush reiterates Rem's argument is unpragmatic, and an unfair standard to levy on any individuals attempting to engage in political advocacy.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=6930 1:55:30] Rem and Vaush loop through their prior arguments for an extended period of time, the resulting conversation becomes increasingly more unproductive until Vaush leaves the call. This unproductive conversation is cut between Destiny, and Marty fruitlessly attempting to act as mediators between the two when possible.

''' Vaush calls Rem privileged, Rem becomes irate, and the conversation becomes even more unproductive '''
 
[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=7179 1:59:39] Vaush refers to Rem as a "privileged hoity toity, big-brained white-boy" stepping into the political arena, and telling everyone to read philosophy. Before Vaush can continue his argument, Rem tells Vaush to "shut the fuck up", and informs Vaush he has no idea what his life struggles have been like. Rem goes on to detail his disability which hampered his ability to attend school.

Stalled claims Rem was unclear that his position only referred to content creators with audiences, despite the fact that Rem said as much from the very beginning of the conversation.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=7472 2:04:32] Marty posits the question to Vaush: Aught thought leaders learn philosophy before engaging in political advocacy? Vaush argues they should not, and they could if they want to. Vaush then asks Rem exactly how many followers are required for a thought-leader to have before they are required to learn philosophy. Marty responds that the amount is "fuzzy". Destiny later steps in, asks Vaush to clarify what he means by the "vast majority of people being unable to meet Rem's standard". Destiny points out that he meets Rem standards, and he has a very base level of understanding philosophy.

''' Destiny and Rem discuss '''
 
[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=8176 2:16:16] Vaush leaves the call in frustration, Destiny takes this opportunity to explore Rem's position and see if he understands why his debate opponents felt so frustrated with his position. Rem correctly identifies that his opinions may have felt insulted when compared to alt-righters. Destiny agrees, and points out that Rem was also arguing on two fronts, a position that he didn't defend but sounded like he did, and a position that Vaush and Hasan continued to attack, but it sounded like he was defending. Destiny provides the examples of Rem arguing that a homeless individual could have met his standard, when his principle only applied to content creators with sizeable audiences.

[https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=9741 2:42:11] Rem asks Destiny if he feels public figures should be well read enough (in philosophy) to justify their political positions. [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=10000 2:46:40] Destiny responds that he agrees, and that political figures ought to at least have his level of philosophical knowledge in order to advocate for political positions. Destiny goes on to point to individuals who had made dumb arguments in the past, i.e. regarding incest.
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* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=3 0:03] Rem joins the call, asks Destiny about the status of Hasan and Vaush's relationship.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=28 0:28] Rem states he does not find streaming gratifying, and finds the people Destiny talks with to be stupid. He goes on to argue that Destiny may be wasting his time arguing with these individuals.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=81 1:21] Rem asks Destiny if he thinks his time is well spent engaging with the "lowest common denominator of society". Destiny responds that this line of argumentation is eerily similar to a former friend of the stream's Micspam's line of thought, and explains his decision to engage with these individuals.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=165 2:45] Destiny provides the example of the different audiences captured if he were to have a long conversation with [[Noam Chomsky]], versus a "shit-show" debate on the [[Kill Stream]].
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=217 3:37] Rem defines moral luck, states Hasan fits the definition. H caveats that Hasan is not a bad person, and does plenty good for the left.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=400 6:40] Rem argues that most normative ethical systems, would be incompatible with any sort of right leaning policies, and with conservative thought in general. Destiny disagrees, and argues that this argument would hinge on the soundness of conservative principles.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=513 8:33] Rem uses the phrase "moral luck" for the first time.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=542 8:57] Rem says he fucked up and that Hasan is angry at him.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=547 9:07] [[MrMouton]] joins the call and asks what "morally lucky" means.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=609 10:09] Rem argues that moral luck may explain why The Young Turks spawned someone like Dave Rubin. Rem then points out that Vaush has not read philosophy.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=654 10:54] Rem and Destiny discuss the term "political pundit".
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=826 13:46] Rem and Destiny deny taking any shots at Hasan.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1037 17:17] Hasan joins the call, Rem and him instantly start fighting with one another.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1100 18:20] Rem offers to have an actual discussion with Hasan regarding the topic instead of fighting.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1126 18:46] Vaush joins the call.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1149 19:09] Hasan earnestly attempts to discuss the topic with Rem, and the two debate for some time.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1258 20:58] Vaush asks Rem if he truly believes he "lucked" into being a leftist. Hasan and Vaush then laugh at Rem seemingly taking indiscriminate shots.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1302 21:42] Hasan mocks Rem, stating it will take thirty-five minutes for him to give a response. Rem later asks if they are able to ethically justify their political positions.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1461 24:21] Vaush and Rem continue to argue for some time.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1491 24:51] Destiny chimes in with a hypothetical.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1634 27:09] Rem informs Hasan that he is not a {{wiki|Kantianism|"Kantian"|.}}
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1681 28:01] MrMouton tricks Rem with a "deez nuts" joke. Rem loses his train of thought, and Hasan thanks Rem for drawing more "sleepers" than himself from the chat.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1750 29:10] Hasan and Rem have a fairly unproductive conversation for some time.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1808 30:08] Destiny attempts to restate Rem's argument for Hasan and Vaush.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=1936 32:16] Vaush argues that he is grounded, and Rem asks what his grounding is. From there, the two debate axioms.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2012 33:32] Vaush asserts that he believes violence is an ethical political tool for advancing narratives.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2103 35:03] Rem explains normative ethics, mocks vaush, and the conversation degrades further with all three participants shouting at one another.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2150 35:50] Destiny attempts to explain Vaush's position, further disagreements arise.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2286 38:06] Rem and Hasan fight, Destiny laughs in the background.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2341 39:01] Rem once again explains the value in morally grounding oneself, particularly to those on the left.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2437 40:37] Destiny googles how to trash items in Factorio.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2529 42:09] Vaush argues once more that Rem's position is impractical, and should not be relevant to modern political discourse.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2602 43:22] Exskillsme joins the call (on Rem's side).
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2689 44:44] Destiny asks his audience to "make the meme with the black guy and the white guy shaking hands."
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2761 46:01] Exskillsme explains why he agrees with Rem.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2838 47:18] Hasan asks Exskillsme if he believes individuals should "ground" themselves before taking on a political position, and Exskillsme agrees.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=2907 48:17] Rem informs Hasan and Vaush that he identifies as a "democratic socialist". Following this revelation, Hasan begins to contribute to the conversation
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=3020 50:20] Hasan accuses Vaush and Hasan of being unable to ground out their systems in an ethics system.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=3170 52:50] Hasan claims to not care if his system is not perfect, and is willing to adopt a new one if it appears to be better. Rem claims this "moral flexibility" proves his point, and that an alt-righter could be just as justified as Hasan should they follow this framework.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=3285 54:45] Rem states he is not a Kantian.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=3402 56:42] Rem provides his third nazi-germany/alt-righter hypothetical to support his position.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=3429 57:09] Hasan states the reason he called Rem a "sleeper dipshit" is because Rem is a "condescending mother fucker".
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=3542 59:02] Vaush asks Rem how to justify a system from the ground up. Rem explains he is unable to do so, Vaush and Hasan mock rem for some time as a result of this position.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=3883 1:04:43] Destiny googles how to make a bus in Factorio.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=3919 1:05:19] Rem asks Vaush to provide the arguments for and against utilitarianism. Vaush and Hasan continue to mock Rem for holding up left-leaning individuals he does not hold himself nor right-leaning individuals to.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=4538 1:16:38] Vaush argues Rem's position disenfranchises those without the means to engage in philosophy, to which Rem responds one could simply read a philosophy textbook to meet his standards. Vaush then argues that his ideal world would involve Rem being locked in an empty room where he could hear nothing echos of his own condensation until the end of time.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=4607 1:16:47] Vaush asserts it is not possible to justify an ethical axiom. Rem argues he can, to which Vaush essentially informs Rem "no balls you won't".
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=4892 1:21:32] Stalled joins the call.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=5144 1:25:48] Marty joins the call.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=5571 1:32:51] Marty argues the only thing one needs in order to understand ethics is the internet or a library card.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=5786 1:36:21] Rem argues a doctor operating on someone's life needs to be certain they are doing the "moral" thing. Destiny points out this stream is a cluster fuck. Rem goes on to assert that a lot of doctors trained in these areas, are actually able to justify their work.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=6076 1:41:16] Hasan asserts that while he wishes everyone could have a foundational understanding in philosophy, he does not feel this position is pragmatic. During this time Vaush jokingly suggests philosophy departments should be defunded.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=6316 1:45:16] Rem temporarily mutes Vaush. Rem reiterates his standard only applies to individuals with large audiences.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=6717 1:51:57] Hasan leaves the call, asks Rem how much analytical philosophy {{wiki|Martin_Luther_King_Jr.|Martin Luther King}} engaged in before he decided to do advocacy. Rem argues that this is the worst example Hasan could have gave, as MLK was a very well-read philosopher. Marty even points out that MLK wrote a paper on Hegel.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=6779 1:52:59] Rem expresses his newfound dislike for Vaush.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=6838 1:53:58] Vaush asks Rem exactly how much time and Money it would take for someone to meet his standard, Rem replies "$0".
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=6930 1:55:30] Rem and Vaush loop through their prior arguments for an extended period of time, the resulting conversation becomes increasingly more unproductive until Vaush leaves the call. This unproductive conversation is cut between Destiny, Stalled, and Marty fruitlessly attempting to act as mediators between the two when possible.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=7179 1:59:39] Rem tells Vaush to "shut the fuck up", following accusing Rem of being privileged. Rem goes on to detail his disability which hampered his ability to attend school.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=7302 2:01:42] Despite Rem saying otherwise several times throughout the conversation, Stalled claims it was unclear that Rem was only referring to opinion leaders throughout the conversation.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=7325 2:02:05] Destiny does a meme.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=7472 2:04:32] Marty posits the question to vaush: Aught thought leaders learn philosophy before engaging in political advocacy? Vaush argues they should not, and they could if they want to. Vaush then asks Rem exactly how many followers are required for a thought-leader to have before they are required to learn philosophy. Marty responds that the amount is "fuzzy".
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=7902 2:11:42] Destiny steps in, asks Vaush to clarify what he means by the "vast majority of people being unable to meet Rem's standard". Destiny points out that he meets Rem standards, and he has a very base level of understanding philosophy.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=8176 2:16:16] Vaush leaves the conversation. Destiny asks Rem to verbalize why he feels Hasan was upset during the conversation. The conversation becomes much more productive from here on out, and the two dissect the arguments formally presented for the remainder of the call.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=9741 2:42:11] Rem asks Destiny if he agrees with his position, Destiny responds that he does.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=10962 3:02:42] Marty asks Destiny if he believes the conversation could have been saved. Destiny responds it could have but would have required one party to rise above the other in order to do things productively.
* [https://youtu.be/AjszEJBKWRs?t=12949 3:35:49] Destiny says his goodbyes and ends his stream.
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=== Hasan and Destiny discuss Article 13 ===
On March 26, 2019 Destiny, Hasan and another individual engaged in a short conversation regarding {{wiki|Directive_on_Copyright_in_the_Digital_Single_Market|Article 13|,}} an upcoming {{wiki|European_Union|European Union}} {{wiki|Directive_(European_Union|directive|.}}<ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = March
|day = 30
|title = How will Article 13 change YouTube and Twitch? ft. Hasanabi
|retrieved-date = 2024, May 9
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPtdhXmRgC
}}</ref>
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''' Destiny joins the call, asks what the main contention is '''
 
[https://youtu.be/dPtdhXmRgCo?t=219 3:39] Following being forwarded to this conversation by a chatter, Destiny eventually joins the call and asks what the primary contention between Hasan and the individual he is speaking with is. Hasan's debate opponent takes the opportunity to detail his position asserting that Article 13 will support small content creators more than it will hurt them. The individual continues, describing how while Twitch could potentially copy-strike every copyright infringement, doing so would be at a massive detriment of their platform and would likely not occur. Hasan takes issue with this position, asserting that while Twitch may not be doing so presently, the potential for such actions to take place in the future are still concerning.

''' Does Article 13 have a "safe harbor" provision? '''
 
Destiny describes how the American variant of Article 13 provides a "safe-harbor" provision, wherein companies are protected as long as they make a "good-faith" effort to protect against copyright infringement on their platforms. Hasan's debate opponent argues that such a provision is present in Article 13, while Hasan counters that it is not.

Destiny once again details certain provisions within the American variant of Article 13, describing once again how companies must make a good faith effort to protect against copyright infringement, and that these companies have 24 hours to respond to takedown requests. Hasan's debate opponent argues such a provision exists, while Hasan once again counters it does not.

''' Does Article 13 benefit small content creators? '''
 
Destiny pointedly asks Hasan's debate opponent once more how the Article would benefit smaller content creators. Hasan's opponent responds that the article would propose a regulation to the "takedown" process, wherein the process would be regulated for both the content creator and the claimant. Destiny questions how it would be regulated, to which Hasan's opponent responds it would be dependent on technology available. Destiny reiterates that he is unsure how the ability to enforce copyright more strictly would benefit smaller content creators.

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*[https://youtu.be/dPtdhXmRgCo 0:00] A chatter informs Destiny that an individual is fruitlessly attempting to explain a "simple concept" to Hasan. The chatter requests for Destiny's assistance in explaining the issue to Hasan.
* [https://youtu.be/dPtdhXmRgCo?t=164 2:44] Destiny requests for somebody to summarize Hasan's point, questioning why he claims only "smaller streams get fucked" by Article 13, when this Article would likely affect both parties.
* [https://youtu.be/dPtdhXmRgCo?t=219 3:39] Destiny joins the call.
* [https://youtu.be/dPtdhXmRgCo?t=456 7:37] The group discusses "safe harbor" provisions.
* [https://youtu.be/dPtdhXmRgCo?t=604 10:04] A conversation on the true purpose of copyright is had, and questions once again how smaller creators would benefit from the new Article as Hasan's debate opponent described.
* [https://youtu.be/dPtdhXmRgCo?t=904 15:04] The group discusses how the {{wiki|Adpocalypse}} may be relevant to the situation.
* [https://youtu.be/dPtdhXmRgCo?t=1247 20:47] The conversation concludes, and Destiny maintains that while he fails to see how the article would benefit smaller content creators (outside of niche false-copyright claims), he still vehemently dislikes copyright as a concept.
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=== Destiny and Hasan debate Nick Fuentes and Sargon of Akkad on a political panel hosted by Trainwreckstv and Asmongold ===
{{disambiguation |Main Article: [[Trainwreckstv_political_panel| Trainwreckstv political panel]]}}
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XbT4UojaRw|300px|right| '''Destiny and Hasan debate Nick Fuentes and Sargon of Akkad on a political panel hosted by Trainwreckstv and Asmongold'''}}
On April 6, 2019, Destiny, Hasan, [[Nick_Fuentes| Nick Fuentes]], and [[Sargon_of_Akkad| Sargon of Akkad]] participated in a several hour long political panel hosted by [[Trainwreckstv|Trainwrecks]], and [[Asmongold]].<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = April
|day = 6
|title = SARGON OF AKKAD, TYT’s HASAN PIKER, DESTINY, NICK F, & co-host ASMONGOLD - POLITICAL PODCAST
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XbT4UojaRw
}} </ref> Destiny and Hasan were selected to represent the "left" side of the political spectrum, while Fuentes and Sargon were selected to represent the "right". The panel primarily centered around three topics: A recent {{wiki|Transgender_personnel_in_the_United_States_military#:~:text=According%20to%20Politico%20and%20a,surgeries%20had%20hastened%20Trump's%20decision.|transgender military ban|,}} the [https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl Mueller Report], and the {{wiki|Christchurch_mosque_shootings|Christchurch mosque shootings|.}}

While the topics discussed were quite narrow in scope initially, each subject inevitably segwayed or diverted into a tangentially related topic. Given that the "right-side" of the panel was fairly well-aligned on most issues, this allowed for Sargon and Fuentes to adequately defend one another's positions regarding transgenderism, Donald Trump, race realism, and immigration. By contract, the "left-side" of the panel was not as well-aligned on most issues, which worked to their detriment. Throughout the debate, Hasan routinely attempted to tie his arguments into either a critique on capitalism or a praise for socialism, which did not play well given Destiny's general disdain towards "lefties" at the time. Furthermore, this argumentative tactic employed by Hasan, contrasted against Destiny's attempts to engage in more relevant/substantive critiques on the topics discussed, inevitably caused the "left-wing" side of the debate to appear weaker in the face of the arguably more effective rhetoric provided by Fuentes and the "right-wing" side. Following the debate, several r/destiny subreddit users claimed the debate to be a "massive disaster", arguing Fuentes (an up and coming far-right content creator at the time), was essentially given a platform to freely espouse his views and garner more popularity.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = Reddit
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = I think we can all agree that this was a massive [topic not specified]
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/b9mahl/i_think_we_can_all_agree_that_this_was_a_massive/
}} </ref>

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* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=1324 22:04] Fuentes argues that he rejects the validity of {{wiki|empiricism}} over {{wiki|A_priori_and_a_posteriori|''a priori''}} rationale, elaborating that he believes his argument regarding women being disruptive towards men in the workplace is true due to "common sense". Destiny interjects and informs Fuentes that a priori and common sense are not the same thing. Fuentes proceeds to mock Hasan and Destiny for believing in people wearing lab coats as opposed to trusting their own intuition.
* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=2575 42:55] Sargon asserts American civilization does not exclude black people at all, due to the fact that they (African Americans) have been in America since the country's inception. Destiny interrupts Sargon and points to the absurdity of the statement, arguing that individuals who came to America as slaves probably felt fairly excluded from society.
* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=3606 1:00:06] Hasan claims Donald Trump attempted to obstruct justice through the firing of former {{wiki|Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation|FBI}} director {{wiki|James_Comey|James Comey|.}} Destiny appears to visibly cringe at this argument. Hasan goes on to argue that the investigation should have primarily focused on the interference by Russia into the US election through social media manipulation, and less on the collusion aspect with Donald Trump. Fuentes and Sargon appear to laugh at this line of argumentation.
* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=4563 1:16:03] Sargon attempts to provide evidence contrary to Destiny's belief that the majority of media is right-wing biased. Upon opening the link, Destiny sees that the top position on the "left-wing" list is held by late-night television host {{wiki|Jimmy_Kimmel|Jimmy Kimmel|.}} Destiny and Hasan proceed to laugh off this evidence. Destiny eventually reads off his own list of influential YouTube personalities, of which, the majority of positions are held by right-wing orientated channels.
* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=5241 1:27:21] Hasan asserts the only time he interupts Fuentes is when he genuinely wants to understand his perspective. To which Fuentes responds: "There's nothing genuine about you."
* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=5593 1:33:13] While explaining capitalism as it relates to the perceived "left-wing" bias within media organizations, Destiny argues that individuals like Fuentes may think "the jews" control all media as an alternative explanation.
* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=6344 1:45:44] Destiny asks Sargon why he believes the prequel Star Wars movies were bad. Sargon states it's because George Lucas is an out of touch old boomer. Destiny then points to a flaw in Sargon's logic: He claims the prequels were bad because they stand on their own merit, buit the sequels were bad because of identity politics. Sargon goes on to argue that the sequel movies made no money and were eventually cancelled as a result. Hasan and Destiny then break out laughing, claiming Sargon just advocated for their own position. In response to Sargon claiming the Sequel Star Wars movies made no money as a result of their "woke-agenda", Destiny reads off the money earned by each movie. Destiny then points to a Sequel Star Wars film containing a white-male lead—{{wiki|Solo:_A_Star_Wars_Story|''Solo: A Star Wars Story''}}—which made substantially less money than the aforementioned "woke" movies. Destiny then corrects Sargon and asserts the newest Star Wars movie was actually cancelled as a result of this movie performing poorly.
* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=6693 1:51:33] Destiny asks Fuentes if he believes it to be immoral to show interracial relationships in media. Fuentes responds he does not believe it to be immoral, however he does not want a "deliberate" social agenda pushed by media organizations, particularly in that direction. Asmongold asks Fuentes to clarify what he means by "that direction", to which Fuentes responds he does not believe interracial marriages should be promoted.
* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=8219 2:16:59] Sargon argues the only reason right-wing nationalism is up for debate, is because of the "cultural-commanance" of the left. Sargon goes on to assert that views held by those on the "radical-left" are just as horrific as those on the radical-right, yet are still platformed. Hasan rebukes his assertion, arguing that concepts such as "seizing the means of production", "redistributing wealth", and "universal healthcare", are not inherently violent and have worked in other countries unlike the conservative principles Sargon and Fuentes are advocating for.
* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=8449 2:20:49] Sargon once again argues that communism is inherently violent, Hasan takes issue but does not readily substantiate his disagreement. Destiny steps in and argues that while this is true, Capitalism has also had its fair share of violence. As the conversation continues Hasan eventually asserts the following: "The only example of systemic violence brought about by bringing communism into action, is nowhere near as bad as all of the death toll under capitalism. We talk about people dying in famines and what not under communist-dictatorship, seven million people every year die because they don't have access to fucking food... that is a consequence of the capitalist structure we exist under, and yet you never point the finger at that."
* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=9608 2:40:08] Sargon refers to Hasan as a "fucking half-wit".
* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=9918 2:45:18] Destiny points to how despite left-wing rhetoric being equally as violent as right-wing rhetoric in some regards, it is arguably more justifiable and has not been born out in reality(with regards to mass shooting). Fuentes argues that left-wing individuals may just be "pussies" afraid to follow through on actions to the logical conclusion.
* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=10205 2:50:05] Hasan asserts the 2003 invasion of Iraq by the United States should be labled a genocide.
* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=10819 3:00:19] Following yet another communist debate sidetrack, the conversation is brought back to violence by right-leaning individuals. Sargon argues that the "prescription" against right-leaning individuals committing acts of violence is a cessation to the suppression of their voice. Destiny agrees, but caveats that bad-faith actors voices should remain excluded. Hasan chimes in, asserting that the true problem lies within the "profit-motive" of corporations, and the debate is once more sidetracked into a discussion on communism.
* [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=12510 3:28:30] Destiny recommends that Sargon and Fuentes should publish articles with regards to differences in genetics since they have supposedly "solved" the debate surrounding the subject.
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''' Intros '''
 
[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=55 0:55] Trainwrecks starts the show and requests that the guests provide personal introductions of themselves and their political affiliations. Destiny goes first and describes himself as broadly progressive and economically neoliberal/social-democrat. Sargon goes next and describes himself as socially and fiscally liberal, and states capitalism is the best alternative presently available. Following Sargon comes Hasan, who describes himself as an anti-capitalist, stating he advocates for policies which may give ownership back to the workers. Fuentes is the last individual to give an introduction, he describes himself as a reactionary-nationalist, a paleoconservative, is indifferent to the size or scope of the government as long as the will of the people is upheld, and concludes that he is a "skeptical" capitalist.
 
 
''' First topic: Transgender Military ban '''
 
[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=357 5:57] Asmongold introduces the first topic: the recent {{wiki|Transgender_personnel_in_the_United_States_military#:~:text=According%20to%20Politico%20and%20a,surgeries%20had%20hastened%20Trump's%20decision.|transgender military ban|.}} He allows Sargon and Fuentes to express their views first. Sargon mentions that he has no strong feelings about the ban, whereas Fuentes, although also lacking a strong conviction about the ban, argues that the concept of an individual voluntarily joining the military to fight for interests beyond national concerns is confusing.

Nick then earnestly criticizes the bill, arguing that transgendered individuals may not be the best or most capable to perform some of the rigorous tasks faced by individuals in the military and may actually be a detriment. Nick goes on to state that he does not recognize the legitimacy of people possessing gender dysphoria, and asserts that these individuals are likely a product of mental-illness/a poor upbringing.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=639 10:39] Hasan rebuts, arguing that the "jobs-program" nature of the military in the US, coupled with the fact that the {{wiki|United_States_Department_of_Defense|Department of Defence}} is the largest employer of transgender individuals, makes the ban both costly to the military and disrespectful to current service members. Hasan goes on to argue that transgender individuals have been proven to be just as "combat-ready" as cisgender individuals.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=725 12:05] Destiny then presents his rebuttal to Fuentes’s points, emphasizing that the voluntary nature of the U.S. military does not necessarily attract the best and most capable individuals. Destiny highlights that if a transgender person can complete {{wiki|United_States_Army_Basic_Training|basic training|,}} they meet the minimum requirements for service. Destiny further notes that since 80% of military roles are non-combat, even if these individuals were physically less capable, they would likely serve in non-combat roles.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=810 13:30] Asmongold requests for Destiny to elaborate on the "effectiveness" of transgender individuals. Destiny responds by explaining that non-combat and support roles exist within the military, roles that transgender individuals currently fill without any issues. He continues, stating that the military has conducted extensive research into the effectiveness of transgender individuals in various military roles, and asserts that none of the concerns Fuentes raised have been substantiated by these studies. Asmongold then questions if transgender individuals would cost more per-capita than cisgender individuals. Destiny acknowledges that this might be true on a per-capita basis, but he argues that transgender individuals who have successfully completed basic training have already compensated for any additional costs they have incurred to the institution through their service.

Asmongold then poses the same question to Fuentes, who states he does not care for the fiscal cost, and proceeds to deride Hasan for even making mention of it. Asmongold proceeds to ask Fuentes if his catholic background has motivated his opinion in any way, to which Fuentes responds it has. Fuentes then reasserts his indifference to the issue, conceding that transgender individuals can certainly serve in non-combat roles in an effective capacity.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=1125 18:45] Destiny asks Fuentes if he believes women should serve in the military, Fuentes responds they should not. Fuentes elaborates: "What kind of world do we want to live in where we're sending our daughters, sisters, mothers, into the middle east to get exploded." Before Fuentes can complete his thought, Hasan proceeds to interrupt him several times with the explicit purpose of not allowing Fuentes to complete his "framing" of the argument. Asmongold reiterates that only 20% of service members see frontline combat, to which Fuentes responds he does not believe women should be in non combat roles nor the business of government. Fuentes elaborates that women may interfere with the "brotherhood" like nature of the military, and may be a detriment to frontline soldiers.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=1324 22:04] Hasan argues that Nick is arguing from a personal perspective of what he wants society to look like, and has not provided any data to back up his arguments. Fuentes argues that he rejects the validity of {{wiki|empiricism}} over {{wiki|A_priori_and_a_posteriori|''a priori''}} rationale, meaning he believes the thing is true due to "common sense". Destiny interjects at this point, and informs Fuentes that a priori and common sense are not the same thing. Fuentes proceeds to mock Hasan and Destiny for believing in people wearing lab coats as opposed to trusting their intuition.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=1499 24:59] Sargon asks Hasan if he believes women do influence social dynamics in typically male-dominated groups. Hasan responds that he does not believe this change in social-dynamics typically yields negative consequences. Hasan goes on the elaborate that he does not care for elaborating the efficiency of the military, arguing that the "imperialistic mission of the military to go out and kill brown people" is not something he's fond of. Nick agrees with Hasan's disgust of the "military's current objective", and argues that a biological distinction between man and women still exists, making it very difficult for men and women to work in the same workplace even outside of the military. Fuentes goes on to argue that he wants to live in a world more "in-line" with human nature, and that Hasan is advocating for a "perversion" of our natural social dynamics.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=1786 29:46] Destiny offers his rebuttal to Fuentes, arguing that enabling a society to allow individuals to make decisions relative to what they desire to do, is more important than trying to enforce some "naturalistic" setting as Fuentes desires. Destiny concludes that we should allow individuals to make decisions that would make them happy. Fuentes takes issue with this statement, and argues that individuals today are not happier than they were in the past. Destiny counters, arguing that individuals in a liberal society should be "allowed to fail" instead of being forced into optimal decisions.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=2575 42:55] Sargon asserts American civilization does not exclude black people at all, due to the fact that they(African Americans) have been in America since the country's inception. Destiny interrupts Sargon and points to the absurdity of the statement, arguing that individuals who came to America as slaves probably felt fairly excluded from society. Sargon concedes that while these individuals did not have a good role in society, they still possessed a role irregardless. Sargon proceeds to argue that western birth rates declining should be an indication that society is not functioning properly, and that measures must be taken to ensure it rises again.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=2849 47:29] Hasan is given the opportunity to provide his perspective, and questions Sargon's desire to preserve western civilization. Hasan proceeds to suggest that the discussion on birth rates is irrelevant, when the discussion should be more geared towards factors contributing to birth rates declining such as technological achievements and socioeconomic status.
 
 
''' Second Topic: Donald Trump and Media narratives'''
 
[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=3467 57:47] Trainwrecks introduces the second topic: "The as of yet not publically available Mueller report was finally published after a two-year investigation into the possibility that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government to rig the election in their favor. Despite an unprecedented level of access to any political campaign, thirty-million dollars spent, five-hundred witness interviewed, nineteen lawyers retained as a special council, forty dedicated FBI staff anchored to the investigation, and five-hundred search warrants executed, they found zero evidence of any collusion. There wasn't even enough to charge a low level volunteer with any form of tampering or improper electoral conduct relating to Russia. Given how many news networks reported inaccurately that Russian collusion had occurred, and proof of collusion would be forthcoming, does this outcome not validate Trump's claims about media bias against its administration.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=3557 59:17] Destiny offers his initial response, stating that while the Mueller report may not be yet released, the idea that no Russian Collusion took place has not yet been borne out, and Mueller likely felt he could not nail anybody "to the wall" on such a conspiracy. Destiny reiterates the exact words of the judge "not enough to press charges", can be interpreted several ways, and the notion that the media erroneously reported on the events is incorrect.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=3606 1:00:06] Hasan chimes in, citing the Judge's own words: the bar to prove collusion is incredibly high, and that obstruction of justice( which Hasan argues had occurred), does not matter unless the bar for collusion is passed. Asmongold questions how Hasan knows obstruction occurred, and Hasan cites a media appearance wherein Trump claims to have fired then FBI director {{wiki|James_Comey|James Comey}} in order to ease pressure from the collusion investigation. Hasan proceeds to argue that the "Russian collusion narrative" was self-serving, and the investigation should have primarily focused on the "millions of dollars" spent by Russia in influencing US social media.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=3873 1:04:33] Asmongold asks Destiny and Hasan if they believe the Mueller report should be released to the public in its entirety. Hasan answers affirmatively, while Destiny states he is unsure. Destiny elaborates, arguing that the Democrats may overfocus on any claims of collusion in the document, and lose the next election as a result. Sargon is given the opportunity to respond, and states that he agrees with Hasan's prior statements. He goes on to assert that Trump simply was not competent enough to collude with Russia. Hasan expresses his agreement with this position, to which Destiny interjects, stating they are both wrong and that Trump's campaign consultant ({{wiki|Paul_Manafort|Paul Manafort|)}} has been found conspiring with foreign agents in the past.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=4105 1:08:25] Fuentes is given the opportunity to provide his initial response. Fuentes argues that despite the plethora of indictments levied against individuals both Russian and American, not a single one was related to collusion. Fuentes proceeds to assert that the investigation was given plenty of funding and time to search for any collusion, and the fact that no evidence of such wrongdoing was found should exonerate Trump. Asmongold pointedly asks Fuentes his feelings on the media's role in this investigation, to which Fuentes responds the media was blatantly biased.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=4317 1:11:57] Destiny and Fuentes debate which direction US mainstream media tends to be more partisan towards. Fuentes asserts it is primarily left-wing dominated, and as a result unfairly influenced the investigation against Donald Trump. Destiny takes issue, arguing that most of mainstream media is dominated by right-wing organizations and individuals, pointing to Fox News and several right-leaning radio hosts. [https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=4875 1:21:15] Hasan points to the absurdity in attempting to compare the political commentary provided by [[No Bullshit]] and Jimmy Kimmel. The debate regarding the veracity of the aforementioned list continues.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=5255 1:27:35] Asmongold asks Destiny and Hasan if they believe the majority of mainstream media possess a left-wing bias. Hasan disagrees, while Destiny expresses his uncertainty. Destiny elaborates that talk-radio reaches more customers than any other form of media, while tending to have a right-wing bias. Destiny admits that while it's possible for media to have a left-wing bias today, he does feel conservatives have an adequate enough voice in media today. Fuentes responds that Destiny is denying basic reality, and points to a study claiming 92% of media coverage was against Trump.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=5593 1:33:13] Destiny argues that no media company would ever stake their reputation on "progressive values". Destiny proceeds to argue that no producer would place a transgender individual in a role if it wasn't popular to do so. Fuentes and Sargon take issue with this and discuss for some time. During his rebuttal, Sargon argues that large media corporations such as Disney are absolutely placing "morales" ahead of profits. Nick argues the left-wing media bias is prevalent, and to argue otherwise is to deny reality. Nick points to several movies, tv shows, and video games as examples.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=6468 1:47:40] In response to Sargon claiming the Sequel Star Wars movies made no money as a result of their "woke-agenda", Destiny reads off the money earned by each movie. Destiny then points to a Sequel Star Wars film containing a white-male lead, which made substantially less money than the aforementioned "woke" movies.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=6693 1:51:33] Destiny asks Fuentes if he believes if it's immoral to show interracial relationships in media. Fuentes responds he does not believe it to be immoral, however he does not want a "deliberate" social agenda pushed by media organizations, particularly in that direction. Asmongold asks Fuentes to clarify what he means by "that direction", to which Fuentes responds he does not believe interracial marriages should be promoted. Destiny and Hasan burst out in laughter at this confession, to which Fuentes states: "I like that laughter, it will be really funny when you guys are bred out of existence."
 
 
''' Third Topic: Christchurch mosque shootings '''
 
[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=6797 1:53:17] Seeing the previous topic reaching a boiling point, Asmongold decides to introduce the next topic: online influence of the {{wiki|Christchurch_mosque_shootings|Christchurch mosque shootings|,}} and whether individuals who are "irresponsibly right-wing" should be deplatformed. Asmongold describes the topic, identifying the "internet memes' prevalent throughout the shooter's manifesto, and the shooter's goals in attempting to "sow dissent" between the left and right through his actions.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=7460 2:04:20] Following a short break, Fuentes is given the opportunity to respond first. Fuentes begins his argument by asserting that calls for violence by individuals on the right, particularly the white identitarian/advocacy crowd, is generally not tolerated. Fuentes goes on to describe how one would be hard-pressed to find a specific influencer from this crowd who would make a call to violence, and therefore asserts that it was unlikely the shooter was influenced by right-leaning content creators. Fuentes proceeds to contrast this shooting against several other shootings that occured in the days following Christchurch, one committed by a Muslim, and another by an Italian migrant. Fuentes argues that while he would never advocate for an ethnostate, such acts of violence are a "natural consequence" of multiracialism/multiculturalism, and that such acts should be regarded as "inevitable" regardless of online influence.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=7657 2:07:37] Asmongold reiterates the question, asking Fuentes if he believes any YouTuber's rhetoric inexplicitly led the shooter to commit the act. Fuentes responds, arguing that any talking points/data cited by the shooter in his manifesto, could easily have been retrieved from a number of other sources outside of YouTube. Fuentes goes on to assert that the true influence on this shooter is the mainstream media claiming there's no way to affect the status-quo with regards "white-erasure" through legitimate means. Fuentes caveats this by stating the shooter's actions were in no way rational, and are abhorrent.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=7781 2:09:41] Sargon is given the opportunity to speak. Sargon mirrors Fuentes' talking points, arguing that the problem is not a result of the existence of online communities, but rather the fact that the shooter felt he was unable to legitimately air his grievances. Sargon provides the {{wiki|YouTube_headquarters_shooting|YouTube headquarters shooter}} as an example, stating she was just demonetized and did not originate from a "deeply ideological community", and felt she could not effectively reach out to YouTube. Sargon concludes by stating every community "has their shooters", and the idea that the shooter was influenced by YouTubers is a {{wiki|Red_herring|Red herring|.}}

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=7939 2:12:19] Destiny provides his response, arguing that while it would be hard to establish that any particular YouTuber influenced this shooter, hateful rhetoric can still lead to hateful acts of violence. He expresses his understanding of Fuentes and Sargon's argument that the shooter may have felt his views were "suppressed," but he adds a caveat that these views were suppressed for good reason. Destiny elaborates that "horrendous anti-immigration views" held by individuals like Fuentes or Sargon, are rightfully suppressed.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=8106 2:15:06] Hasan provides his initial response, beginning by sarcastically praising Fuentes for being a "phenomenal orator" and "sneaking in" several lines of rhetoric. He accuses Fuentes of calling the shooter a martyr and derides him for claiming the shooting was an "unavoidable" and "rationale" cause of coexisting with people who look slightly different than him. Hasan proceeds to attribute the radicalization of the shooter to right-wing nationalism, and argues such thinking has become problematic in the US.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=8219 2:16:59] Sargon offers his rebuttal to Hasan and Destiny, asserting the only reason right-wing nationalism is up for debate, is because of the "cultural-commanance" of the left. Sargon goes on to state the views held by those on the "radical-left" are just as horrific as those on the radical-right, yet are still being platformed. Hasan retorts, arguing that concepts such as "seizing the means of production", "redistributing wealth", and "universal healthcare", are not inherently abhorrent and have worked in other countries unlike the conservative principles Sargon and Fuentes are advocating for. Sargon then chides Hasan for attempting to steer the conversation down a "{{wiki|Marxist}} rabbit hole".

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=8420 2:20:20] Hasan asks Sargon to provide acts of left-wing violence that is similar in nature to right-wing violence. Sargon brings up acts of violence committed by immigrants in western countries, and blames communism for allowing these individuals into these countries. A debate then arises regarding whether or not communism is inherently violent. Hasan immediately takes issue with this, but does not readily substantiate his disagreement. While Destiny argues that while communism is violent, most other economic schools of thought are just as, if not more, violent.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=9007 2:30:07] Destiny steps in, arguing a radicalization of white people around the world is occurring, resulting in them committing more terrorist attacks. He then asserts that statements like "both sides commit violence" is vacuous and doesn't truly address the issues regarding right-wing extremism in the modern world.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=9151 2:32:31] Fuentes is given the opportunity to speak, arguing that Destiny and Hasan are using acts of violence committed by right-wingers as a pretext to silence their political opponents. Throughout his rebuttal, Fuentes asserts that radicalization exists on all sides o the aisle, and provides examples of "left-wing violence" committed by Palestinians, and the {{wiki|Congressional_baseball_shooting|Congressional baseball shooting|.}}

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=9359 2:35:59] Hasan and Sargon debate communism once more, followed by Destiny attempting to steer the conversation back on track. Destiny explains that the justifications someone would use to attack someone based on their race, would be much different than someone who would enact violence on a group of people for economic reasons.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=9918 2:45:18] Destiny: "If you're somebody like Lauren Southern, and you're making videos talking about how western society is being destroyed, that the white man is going extinct, that we're being outbred and forced to take on this multicultural, cuck-culture, by jews that are trying to outbreed and destroy white people, how can you not think that's going to lead to some people committing violence?" Fuentes counters that left-wing individuals may just be "pussies".

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=10205 2:50:05] Hasan asserts the 2003 invasion of Iraq by the United States should be labled a genocide. Sargon and Fuentes laugh, as Destiny remains silent.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=10620 2:57:00] The conversation once again gets mired in a debate on socialism.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=10819 3:00:19] The conversation is brought on track once more, and Destiny asks Sargon what his prescription to stop radical individuals on the right is. Sargon responds that individuals on the right should stop having their voices suppressed, and be openly platformed. Fuentes agrees large in part with this assertion, and adds that isolation of individuals possessing certain ideals may also lead to radicalization. Destiny offers his rebuttal, arguing that these individuals can be brought out of "isolation" without having them embrace ideas such as race-realism. Destiny goes on to argue argue that while some individuals may be platformed, bad-faith actors such as Fuentes should be excluded.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=11475 3:11:15] Hasan offers his rebuttal to Sargon and Fuentes, arguing that the "social conditions" brought on by capitalism are the true cause for the issues seen with right-wing radicalism. Following Hasan mentioning "the profit motive", Sargon and Fuentes immediately laugh off Hasan's arguments off as "Marxist rhetoric".

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=11795 3:16:35] Fuentes attempts to bring up {{wiki|James_Watson|James Watson|,}} a researcher who discovered DNA, but is interrupted by Destiny. Destiny accuses Fuentes of attempting to make a "nazi-argument", and the panel becomes increasingly unproductive for some time until Train moderates and allows Fuentes to continue his point. Destiny argues that Fuentes is making an "appeal to false authority" as "just because you're the discoverer of DNA does not give you the ability to speak with any sort of authority whatsoever on it". Destiny and Fuentes proceed to have a heated conversation on the subject.

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=12879 3:34:39] Closing statements regarding the topic are given. Sargon and Fuentes argue that Watson's cancellation is unjustified and is evidence of the fact that right-wing thought is being suppressed. Destiny takes issue with this interoperation and argues that Watson's statements were incredibly irresponsible and unfounded, especially considering his standing within the scientific community on a related subject. Destiny adds that Watson has seemingly willingly ostracized himself from the scientific community and argues that this would make it even harder for him to be "reintroduced back into the fold".

[https://youtu.be/8XbT4UojaRw?t=13498 3:44:58] Before the next topic can be introduced, several panelists give an excuse to exit the call and the panel concludes.
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=== Hasan and Destiny debate abortion ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZOr-ruA_XM |300px|right| '''This argument is cancer - Destiny debates Hasanabi'''}}
On May 17, 2019, Destiny and Hasan debated the definition of personhood, morality, and the role of government in legislating abortion.<ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = May
|day = 21
|title = This argument is cancer - Destiny debates Hasanabi
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZOr-ruA_XM
}} </ref> While Destiny expresses his moral reservations about abortions, and argues that a human's life begins at conception, he maintains that abortion should still be legally permissible given the extenuating circumstances an individual who may desire an abortion could find themselves in. Hasan agreed with Destiny's policy assessment of abortion, however, he took issue with Destiny's "arbitrary" assignment of personhood at conception. As a result, the primary contentions of the debate centered around the various philosophical frameworks used to justify Hasan and Destiny's underlying moral positions.

Destiny's full stance on abortion is the following:
{{blockquote
|quote="So my metaethical position is descriptive-{{wiki|egoism||,}} right. So I don't really believe in morality or any of that exists. My Normative position is that I'm a {{wiki|Rule_utilitarianism|rule-utilitarian|,}} that means that I want to make the rules in society that I think will most benefit me. One of these rules that I think shouldn't be made is that it's okay to kill people without good reason. I don't think it's okay to kill somebody unless you have a really really good reason... and when you do an abortion, you're basically saying it's okay to murder some people because they're very inconvenient to other people. That's a rule, like if you craft that rule, I feel like... at some point in my life I might become vulnerable to crafting that sort of rule, and that would be worrisome to me."
|name=[https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=135 Destiny outlining his stance on abortion]}}

While Hasan was initially amicable to this line of thought, he took issue upon Destiny's description of a "flawless world" wherein abortions would be illegal, unwanted children would be put up for adoption, and contraceptives/sexual education would be the primary ways of preventing pregnancy. Hasan initially based his counter-argument on the personhood of a fetus, however after further questioning on what constitutes "personhood", it is eventually revealed that Hasan is "making up arguments on the spot" and has not spent much time pondering when a Fetus has personhood.<ref>{{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = May
|day = 21
|title = Hasan and Destiny debate abortion: Hasan states he's coming up with arguments on the spot and has not thought about when a fetus has personhood
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1321
}}</ref> Destiny and Hasan spend the remainder of the call ironing out Hasan's defense of his own position, and debating personhood.

A significant portion of the "personhood debate" focused on Hasan's tendency to shift between different traits (consciousness, moral agency, and potential for development) when defining personhood. When pressed on any single trait, Hasan often moved to another aspect, which resulted in Destiny frequently accusing Hasan of being inconsistent and evasive. To address this, Destiny used an analogy comparing the qualities that make cars cool, illustrating that Hasan's argument relied on a collection of traits rather than a coherent definition of each trait individually.

{{blockquote
|quote="Because it's not a collection of things that's the problem... Let's say you ask me: Why are cars cool? And I give you three reasons: The color of the car, how fast the car goes, and the type of transmission. Those are the three things that make cars cool. And you were to go Okay, well let's talk about the color. And I go: Okay cool, so the car's color is... blue. So, mine is blue, is that enough to make it a cool car? Then I would say, well no, now a blue car gives it a plus, that's a bonus, but that's not the only reason it's cool, that's just one part of it... But I like the color blue, so that's a positive thing, that means the color is part of my argument. But let's say instead I say: I like the color red because red cars are fast. Well then it sounds like the color isn't important at all, it just sounds like you like fast cars.
|name=[https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1678 Destiny demonstrating Hasan's argumentative flaw with a car analogy]}}

Despite Hasan's continued disagreement (and confusion) with Destiny's "car analogy", the conversation continued and the two eventually reached an agreeable trait to deliberate on: The capacity to develop moral agency outside of the womb, and the distinction between a baby outside versus inside the womb.

Hasan argued that the separation from the host (the mother) marked a significant difference in the fetus's trajectory toward becoming a moral agent. He also argued that the emotional, physical, and material harm endured by the host during pregnancy further differentiates a newborn from a fetus. On the other hand, Destiny argued that both a fetus and a one-year-old have the same potential for moral agency. Destiny also contended that a wanted newborn could cause as much, if not more, harm than an unwanted fetus. The conversation took an unproductive turn following [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2892 Destiny's use of a personal anecdote involving his experience choosing not to get an abortion], and Hasan arguing Destiny had not considered his partner's suffering during that experience. Following this exchange, Destiny cut away from the call to discuss his poor experiences the few times he's used personal anecdotes, and how it more often than not results in him being {{{{wiki|ad-hominem|''ad-hominem''|-ed.}} The conversation continues(fruitlessly) for some time, and both Hasan and Destiny eventually agree that the philosophical discussion surrounding abortion is "AIDS."

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[https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1268 21:08] Hasan lists "elements" of personhood, beginning with consciousness. Destiny responds by asking Hasan why consciousness makes one worthy of being considered a person, and asks Hasan if he believes a one-year-old has moral agency. Hasan initially argues that consciousness gives an individual moral agency and therefore personhood, and goes on to expresses his belief that a one-year old's potentiality of becoming a moral is much higher than a fetus. Destiny counters by asserting that the same developmental "trajectory" Hasan attributes to a one-year-old—that of evolving into a moral agent—also applies to a fetus as it grows within the mother's womb. Hasan retorts, asserting that the one-year-old no longer being "tied to a host" is a significant difference, and argues once more for the higher potentiality of becoming a moral agent. Destiny then offers to abandon consciousness from Hasan's list of qualities defining personhood, arguing Hasan does not care about consciousness at all as he's merely using it as a signal for someone's potentiality for becoming a moral agent. Hasan reiterates that consciousness is just one portion of his overall argument for personhood, to which Destiny accuses Hasan of "bouncing" to another element of personhood whenever pressed. Destiny proceeds to accuse Hasan of being unable to substantiate any individual element of personhood. Hasan argues it would be impossible for him to defend every individual aspect of personhood without referring to another element, to which Destiny decides to provide an analogy relating to "why cars are cool":
"Because it's not a collection of things that's the problem... Let's say you ask me: Why are cars cool? And I give you three reasons: The color of the car, how fast the car goes, and the type of transmission. Those are the three things that make cars cool. And you were to go Okay, well let's talk about the color. And I go: Okay cool, so the car's color is... blue. So, mine is blue, is that enough to make it a cool car? Then I would say, well no, now a blue car gives it a plus, that's a bonus, but that's not the only reason it's cool, that's just one part of it... But I like the color blue, so that's a positive thing, that means the color is part of my argument. But let's say instead I say: I like the color red because red cars are fast. Well then it sounds like the color isn't important at all, it just sounds like you like fast cars. -[https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1678 Destiny demonstrating Hasan's argumentative flaw with a car analogy]

Hasan cuts Destiny off as he's wrapping up this analogy, informing Destiny that he doesn't understand what he's trying to convey. Destiny then reiterates his feelings of Hasan "retreating" to other traits of personhood when pressed on a given trait, and re-explains the analogy. Following further confusion from Hasan, Destiny eventually abandons the analogy and cuts back to the heart of the argument. Destiny explains he does not believe all conscious things are moral agents, and points out that Hasan said as much. After further deliberation, Hasan eventually provides a trait agreeable to Destiny: The capacity to develop moral agency outside of the womb AKA viability outside of the womb. Destiny then posits a hypothetical child to Hasan which could not be sustained outside of the womb without further medical assistance, and Destiny argues they should focus on deliberating the distinction between a baby outside versus inside the womb. As Hasan begins to reiterate the child is no longer attached to a "host", he is distracted by his chatroom and proceeds to yell at them for claiming Destiny is "owning him" in this debate. Destiny sympathizes with Hasan's anger, and informs Hasan that he's stepping into a "minefield" of abortion-related arguments with little experience.

[https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2299 38:19] The conversation continues, and Destiny argues the primary focus on this conversation should be the distinction between a baby outside versus inside the womb. As Hasan is giving his explanation, Destiny gets distracted by Hasan's chat claiming they hope Destiny never needs an abortion. Destiny then recounts his experience wherein an abortion could have potentially been justified in his life, but he refrained from doing so. The conversation gets back on track, and Hasan explains the primary distinction between a baby outside versus inside the womb is the "host"(aka the mother), more specifically, the
emotional/physical/material harm to the host. Destiny then provides examples of how a newborn can cause just as much, if not more harm to its "host" (crying a lot at night, requiring money, preventing the parents from seeing their friends causing emotional harm), and could therefore justify aborting a one-year-old child by Hasan's logic. Hasan replies that the mother could simply give the child up for adoption, or not let the fetus become a child.

Destiny restates his prior hypothetical of a newborn who cannot survive outside the womb without medical intervention, and asks Hasan what should happen to this child. Hasan replies that as long as the fetus has viability outside of the womb, it should be allowed to persist, as it will become a person at some point. Destiny remarks that a fetus also becomes a person at some point, Hasan argues a one-year-old is closer to "personhood", and the two loop through their prior debate on what makes a fetus a person and whether an abortion should be considered as killing a person.

[https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2706 45:06] Hasan eventually requests for Destiny's to elucidate on his position more. Destiny explains that he believes a fertilized egg is a person, and describes how his life experiences contemplating aborting his child while in dire financial straits informed his opinion. Hasan asks what his partner at the time though, and Destiny informs him that Rachel was fine with either outcome. Hasan then argues that Destiny failed to consider the most important factor in his own personal experience, which is that the harm Destiny endured through this scenario, was nothing in comparison to the emotional/physical/material harm his partner at the time endured. Destiny accuses Hasan of ad hominem, and argues this, like his other assertions, is a non-statement. Hasan takes issue and argues he was not {{wiki|ad-hominem|''ad-hom''|-ing}} Destiny, and Destiny proceeds to explain how he did so:
"Okay so an ad-hom is when you is when you overtly attack somebody or more subtly cast doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. So nothing that we're talking about now has anything to do with any of the argument listed earlier. You're just saying that because I didn't experience as much material harm as Rachel, who was actually carrying the child, that somehow this should be taken into consideration." - Destiny 
"No I'm saying that you were thinking for two people but the second person in this conversation... had already accepted the reality that she was going to carry that pregnancy to term, if you came to terms with that as well."- Hasan 
"What does that have to do with any of the arguments that we said earlier?" - Destiny 
"Because she had accepted it... therefore when you're considering the emotional suffering that your partner is going to go through, she's already accepted that she's already taken on that burden most people don't... Does that make sense, do you understand what i'm trying to say?"- Hasan 
"I understand it, it just has nothing to do with any of the arguments we were having."- Destiny 
-[https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2892 48:12]
Following further deliberation, Hasan assures Destiny he did not intend to adhom him. Destiny claims to understand, and briefly steps out of the call to speak with his chatroom regarding what occurred:
"There have been three instances in my life where I've tried to give a personal example to make an argument, and I usually don't like doing that because I don't like arguing in that way cuz I think it's a really poor form of rhetoric... Every single time I've done it, the person has flipped the argument back on me, and tried to compromise my argumentation because I used a personal anecdote. It happened with that one Irish dude from the rape shit, it happened with the domestic abuse shit, and it just happened now with the abortion shit. I hate giving personal examples, because people will instantly turn it around and try to ad-hom your argument... It really triggers the fuck out of me, holy shit."
-[https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=3003 Destiny recounting his experiences giving personal anecdotes]
[https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=3044 50:44] Destiny returns to the call, and the two continue their debate on what constitutes personhood once again. Hasan reiterates his arguments regarding the capacity for a one-year-old to feel/become certain things, and Destiny routinely points that any trait Hasan points to could eventually develop in a fetus. Destiny event ually provides a steelman for Hasan's argument: A person is some emergent property of several underlying traits, that are worthless on their own. Hasan disagrees with this steelman, and argues once more that it is not sufficient enough to point to a single quality to define personhood. Destiny counters, asserting that this same multitude of factors could be present in a fetus, to which Hasan argues the situation is complicated. Destiny retorts this complication can be avoided by simply conceding a fetus is a person, and then manipulating rules around what constitutes the worthwhile times to perform an abortion/murder someone. The two deliberate on this for some time, before both Hasan and Destiny eventually agree that the philosophical discussion surrounding abortion is "aids" and end the call.
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* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=0 0:00] The video begins with Destiny already speaking with Hasan. Hasan asks for clarity with regards to Destiny's opinion on abortion. Destiny explains it is difficult to define when a human life begins, and argues the most consistent way to do so is at the moment of conception. Destiny further explains that "everything else puts you in weird areas", arguing if one believes a fetus to be a real thing, then abortion is essentially murder. Destiny concludes, stating abortion is a "weird rule" to make for society to function if he himself doesn't wish to be murdered.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=73 1:13] Hasan (mouth full of food), inquires further of Destiny, asking if he believes no legislation should be established "one way or the other" with regards to abortion. Destiny replies, asserting abortion must be legal given how modern society functions. He further describes his uncomfortability with "legislating his morality" to other individuals, and recognizes the general "greyness" of the issue. Destiny goes on to explain that the best way to reduce the number of abortions is to provide individuals with access to contraceptives, and sexual education.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=137 2:17] Destiny explains his position in philosophical terms. Destiny describes his metaethical position as {{wiki|Egoism#:~:text=Descriptive%20theories%5B,behaviour.%5B9%5D|descriptive-egoism|,}} in that he doesn't believe morality exists. Destiny continues, explaining that his normative position is {{wiki|Rule_utilitarianism|rule-utilitarianism|,}} meaning he wants to make rules in society that will most benefit himself. Destiny elaborates that one of the "rules" he thinks shouldn't be made is that it's okay to kill people without good reason, and if one were to consider a fetus a child, one would have to accept the notion that killing anyone that is very inconvenient to others is justified. Destiny concludes that such a rule would be worrying to himself.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=201 3:21] Hasan asks Destiny if he believes a fetus has personhood. Destiny replies that a fetus has personhood at the moment of conception, more specifically, the time a woman's egg is fertilized, and a unique sequence of DNA is created for an individual. Hasan takes issue with this, and the two discuss for some time.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=397 6:37] Hasan provides his counterargument, stating the physiological damage/emotional harm a person endures through the process of childbirth should justify their ability to perform an abortion. Hasan then asks when the fetus's personhood supersedes the mothers. Destiny reiterates his prior statement, arguing it's very difficult to justify killing an individual due to their inconvenience.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=462 7:42] Hasan asks if there's a distinction between a one-year-old and a one-day old fetus. Destiny argues it would be hard to differentiate the personhood present within the two. The two then debate when the moment of "personhood" occurs in a fetus for some time.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=674 11:14] Destiny discusses how a child borne out of a rape scenario may violate the {{wiki|Non-aggression_principle|non-aggression principle|,}} and points to how a pro-choice individual may be pro-abortion in this scenario. Hasan remarks that the non-aggression principle is a "bit of a meme".
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=823 13:43] Hasan brings up an argument put forth by other pro-abortion individuals' law wherein an abortion should only be legal if the fetus may inadvertently harm the mother's body. Hasan argues this line is arbitrary, if one were to accept the fact that a fetus is a life. Destiny counters, stating the women is placed in a situation where they have to save one life or the other, and saving the mother's life in this case would be justification enough.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=991 16:31] Destiny reiterates that in his "flawless world" the best way to get rid of abortions would be to provide contraceptives and sexual education, however abortions would still be outlawed, and any unwanted children could be adopted by the state. Hasan takes issue with this framing, arguing Destiny's "flawless world" in inherently flawed, Destiny retorts several social programs and other means of protecting the mother (both physiologically and mentally) would be in place in this hypothetical.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1268 21:08] Destiny asks Hasan when the opportune time to kill somebody(a fetus) is. Hasan first replies he does not ascribe personhood to a fetus, to which Destiny asks "why not?". Hasan begins to list reasons for why a Fetus does not have personhood, beginning with consciousness, and is immediately cut off by Destiny before he can list further attributes. Destiny reiterates this is a complicated debate and it is important to parse through every point in detail, to which Hasan admits he's coming up with arguments for his position on the spot.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1375 22:45] Destiny asks Hasan why consciousness makes one worthy of being considered a person. Hasan responds that consciousness gives an individual moral agency, and because "we assume that we have it".
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1468 24:28] Destiny asks Hasan if he believes one year olds have moral agency. Hasan responds that a one year old's potentiality of becoming a moral agent is much higher than a fetus. Destiny questions Hasan's belief that one-year olds can make moral decisions, to which Hasan reiterates he is primarily concerned with "viability outside of the body", and the "natural trajectory of becoming a moral agent". Destiny counters, arguing this same trajectory occurs to a fetus within a mother's body. Hasan retorts, asserting that a one-year-old is not longer tied to a "host".
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1542 25:42] Hasan argues a fetus does not have consciousness, and the ability to become a moral agent is something that should be valued. Destiny then offers to remove the moral agent portion of his list, and Hasan argues once more that consciousness is an indication that somebody has the capacity to be a moral agent. Destiny then argues that Hasan does not care about consciousness at all as he's merely using it as a signal for someone to potentially be a moral agent.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1610 26:50] Hasan argues one more that consciousness is only one element of his argument, to which Destiny accuses Hasan of "bouncing" between his elements of personhood whenever he's unable to substantiate a particular one.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1680 28:00] Hasan argues it would be impossible for him to defend every individual aspect of personhood without referring to another element. Destiny decides to provide an analogy of "why cars are cool", and demonstrates his ability to defend each element of why "cars are cool" without referring to a separate element.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1754 29:14] [[Austin Show]] joins the call.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1825 30:25] Hasan engages with Destiny's car analogy, argues he likes cars, and being red just may be one of the byproducts of being a car, so all cars have to be red.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=1939 32:19] Following further deliberation, and the abandonment of the car analogy, Hasan provides a statement agreeable to Destiny: The capacity to develop moral agency outside of the womb.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2033 33:53] Following Hasan's prior statement, Destiny posits a hypothetical baby that cannot be sustained without medical assistance.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2107 35:07] Destiny asks Hasan to provide the distinction between outside versus inside the womb.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2122 35:22] Hasan yells at chat for claiming Destiny is owning him in this debate.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2224 37:04] Hasan's anger subsides, the conversation continues.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2299 38:19] Destiny gets distracted by Hasan's chat and shouts at them for some time.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2328 38:48] The conversation continues, and Hasan provides his position relating to the potential harm an unwilling "host" may endure. Destiny argues a wanted newborn could cause just as much if not more harm than an unwanted fetus.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2500 41:40] Destiny restates his hypothetical of a 7 month old newborn which requires medical assistance to live, and asks Hasan what should become of the child.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2706 45:06] Hasan requests that Destiny define what personhood is. Destiny explains that he believes a fertilized egg is a person, and describes how his life experiences involving considering the abortion of his own child helped inform his current opinion. Hasan argues that Destiny forgot to consider his pregnant partner's feelings at the time, especially the harm she endured. Destiny accuses Hasan of using an ad-hominem and points to the shakiness of all his aforementioned arguments.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=2989 49:49] Following Hasan claiming he was not intending to ad-hom Destiny, Destiny steps out of the call briefly to speak with his chat.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=3044 50:44] Destiny returns to the call and continues his debate on personhood with Hasan.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=3207 53:27] Destiny steelmans Hasan's argument: A person is some emergent property of several underlying traits, that are worthless on their own.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=3355 55:55] Destiny explains why it is difficult to defend the argument that a fetus isn't a person.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=3510 58:30] Destiny asserts any argument Hasan can make about a fetus can be said for someone with a debilitating disease or mental illness.
* [https://youtu.be/LZOr-ruA_XM?t=3635 1:00:35] Destiny rehashes why he doesn't do philosophical arguments regarding abortion anymore, and how "aids" these discussions are. Hasan agrees, and the call eventually ends.
|}

=== Destiny briefly joins a Rajj Royale podcast to clarify a point Hasan was making, leaving Hasan upset ===
[[File:HasanDestinyRajjMaldLong.mp4|400px|right|]]
On June 8, 2019 Destiny briefly joined a [[Rajj Royale]] podcast featuring Hasan, [[Wesbtw]], [[Kaceytron]], and [[Jon Zherka]].<ref> [[Media:HasanMadRajj.mp4]]</ref>

Approximately two hours into the show, the panel began debating whether it is possible to be racist toward white people. Following Hasan's initial response to the subject, [[Austin Show]](the host of the show), jokingly suggested that Destiny should join the show to briefly summarize Hasan's talking points. Destiny joins shortly after this request, and allows Hasan to elucidate his argument for several more minutes. Upon hearing Hasan further explain his position, some members of the panel express their confusion with the arguments Hasan is attempting to put forth, going so far as to mock him for his longwindendess. Destiny chimes in shortly following these proclamations, and explains that it is typically difficult for minorities to exercise any form of oppressive racism towards the majority of people, effectively summarizing the point Hasan was attempting to put forth:
<blockquote>
"There are two different types of racism that people talk about and they often get conflated. So the question is: Can you be racist towards the majority of people? Under the definition we typically work with... we would say no. Minority people can't really exercise any sort of oppressive racism towards the majority of people. The reason why is we consider racism to be prejudice plus power. If every black person in the United States today, was like "fuck white people" it wouldn't really affect us much, because white people are more socioeconomically privileged, we have more places in congress, etc. Whereas if you're a majority power person, and you can be oppressive towards a minority class person, by virtue of them being minority class, by that virtue alone, they're already typically disadvantaged in American society. So when we say "can somebody be racist against somebody", under like the common vernacular of "can somebody hate somebody because of their skin color", of course, everybody can do that. When we start analyzing society, and we look at like meaningful demonstrations of racism, so for instance like the criminal justice system or economic disadvantages right? In these ways, minority people can't really exorcise racism against majority people, because they don't really have the status or the power in society, in order to do so."
:- Destiny summarizes Hasan's position.
</blockquote>
Following Destiny's summarization of Hasan's position, Kaceytron states: "I wish Destiny could just come in at the beginning and gives us the right answer right away, instead of making us wait...like we have the cheat-sheet right here." Wes also chimes in: "So we didn't have to listen to fucking Hasan." Destiny departs shortly after this, and an incredibly irate Hasan airs his grievances with the responses given by his fellow panelists, and at Austin for seemingly encouraging Destiny to join the call.
<blockquote>
"Dude don't fucking ask me to be on if this is the fucking shit you're going to pull Rajj like seriously... Fucking have Destiny on then."
:-Hasan
"I didn't put Destiny in the poll, I was joking."
:-Austin
"I know he's not in the poll dipshit, i'm saying it's pissing me off because you're devaluing my perspective, which is ongoing. 95% of your discord is like "Hasan is so dumb"... Yeah i'm gonna get fucking triggered after a while, it's not just the fucking chat, every fucking guest on this podcast is doing the exact same bullshit... I'm a fucking human being, if twenty-thousand people are saying i'm retarded, obviously i'm going to get pissed after a while. Especially by people who are dumber than me on the subject "
:-Hasan
"You're winning the round by the way."
:-Austin
"I don't give a fuck if i'm winning this fucking round dude. Losing my fucking hair follicles by the second because I literally have to sit here every fucking day and explain the same insanely easy to understand concepts over and over, and then literally the counter point is: "well what if you say male? Does that mean you're racist?" Like all of a sudden everyone is like "omegalul yes that's true". So obviously it's just a joke, but then it expands to people's real lives, and it actually contributes to people voting for fucking assholes like Donald Trump. That's why i'm pissed off."
:-Hasan
"It's this gigantic Sisyphean fucking hurdle, this massive boulder that I need to fucking push up a hill every goddamn day. Only to have it devalued, and only to be undercut, so if you're gonna ask me to be on your fucking show, don't treat me like absolute dog shit when i'm being serious about what the fuck i'm talking about."
:-Hasan
</blockquote>

{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Timeline of events ***Editors note: Timestamps outdated as vod was taken down***
|-
|
* [https://youtu.be/jS40ocv3SFU?t=7354 2:02:34] The panel begins debating whether it is possible to be racist toward white people.
* [https://youtu.be/jS40ocv3SFU?t=7615 2:06:55] Hasan begins his response.
* [https://youtu.be/jS40ocv3SFU?t=7756 2:11:50] Austin requests for Destiny to join the call.
* [https://youtu.be/jS40ocv3SFU?t=7934 2:12:14] Following Hasan's initial response: Zherka mocks Hasan's longwindnesses, and Reynad confesses to not understanding Hasan's point.
* [https://youtu.be/jS40ocv3SFU?t=8025 2:13:45] Destiny summarizes Hasan's position.
* [https://youtu.be/jS40ocv3SFU?t=8084 2:14:44] Following Destiny's summarization of Hasan's position, Kaceytron states: "I wish Destiny could just come in at the beginning and gives us the right answer right away, instead of making us wait." Wes also chimes in: "So we didn't have to listen to fucking Hasan."
* [https://youtu.be/jS40ocv3SFU?t=8092 2:14:52] An enraged Hasan expresses his disagreement with his fellow panelists remarks and shouts: "It's such a fucking retarded thing to say. Like i'm sorry, but if you can't comprehend the fucking shit that i'm saying... i'm doing the best that I can. He literally said the exact same thing that I just said, like what the fuck are you guys talking about.
* [https://youtu.be/jS40ocv3SFU?t=8123 2:15:23] Hasan continues to elucidate his point, arguing he merely said the same thing Destiny put forth with a padding of legislative background.
* [https://youtu.be/jS40ocv3SFU?t=8139 2:15:39] Wes explains why Destiny's response was better than Hasan's: "He laid out the two definitions and why they're different, and he explained why: one yes and one no. If you would've done that from the beginning I would've understood that 100%. Hasan argues Wes would not do this, and that Wes would likely ignore anything he had to say. Wes denies this.
* [https://youtu.be/jS40ocv3SFU?t=8222 2:17:02] Hasan begins shouting at Austin for placing Destiny in the "keep not kick" poll: "Dude don't fucking ask me to be on if this is the fucking shit you're going to pull Rajj like seriously... Fucking have Destiny on then." Austin:"I didn't put Destiny in the poll, I was joking." Hasan:"I know he's not in the poll dipshit, i'm saying it's pissing me off because you're devaluing my perspective, which is ongoing. 95% of your discord is like "Hasan is so dumb"... Yeah i'm gonna get fucking triggered after a while, it's not just the fucking chat, all the fucking guests on this podcast are doing the same shit. "
* [https://youtu.be/jS40ocv3SFU?t=8345 2:19:05] Hasan compares the task of explaining simple concepts to his fellow panelists to Sisyphus pushing a boulder.
* [https://youtu.be/jS40ocv3SFU?t=8395 2:19:55] Austin informs Hasan he won the round.
|}

=== Destiny accuses Hasan of perpetuating Crypto Fascism and chides him for dissuading his audience against voting for Biden ===
{{disambiguation |Main Article: [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/I_don%27t_really_know_if_you%27re_pretending_or_not..._ft._HasanAbi_%26_Emmia I don't really know if you're pretending or not... ft. HasanAbi & Emmia]}}
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stdrVr9BHkE|300px|right| '''I don't really know if you're pretending or not... ft. HasanAbi & Emmia'''}}
On June 16, 2019, [[Destiny]] held a conversation with [[Emmia]] regarding her political ignorance, emotional response to serious discussions, and experiences interacting with the political side of Twitch.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = June
|day = 17
|title = I don’t really know if you’re pretending or not... ft. HasanAbi & Emmia
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stdrVr9BHkE
}}</ref> Emmia had recently received much criticism for what she perceived to be seemingly innocuous memes, that turned out to be alt-right dog whistles. Destiny took Emmia at her word and had a dialogue with her regarding the best path forward and how to avoid engaging with similar memes in the future.

At one point during the call Hasan joins and proceeds to have a very heated exchange with Destiny. Hasan accuses Destiny of being overly charitable to Emmia, and attempts to point to instances where Destiny went "harder" on other right-leaning individuals who engaged in behavior similar to Emmia. Destiny takes issue with this, arguing that he would never go this hard on a "normie" like Emmia, and points to instances of him being [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Hasan_Piker#Hasan_discusses_PewDiePie_and_E;R_with_Destiny equally charitable to "normies" like PewDiePie]. Destiny proceeds to accuse Hasan of perpetuating the "vicious cycle" of crypto-fascism by bullying a "normie" like Emmia into the arms of alt-righters, instead of taking her at her word and evaluating her future actions for what they are. Destiny further asserts that the communities Hasan inhabits, and the individuals demanding Emmia's apology, would likely never forgive Emmia anyways, and points to the severe criticism he has received from left-leaning communities despite the breadth of progressive content he has produced.
<blockquote>"There was a week's worth of chapotraphouse threads on me that said I want to fuck 19 year olds, that said I want to abandon my kid, fucking christ I've got like 7,000 videos over the past four or five years of me doing progressive work, like fuck it dude, if I haven't changed people's minds why the fuck would I tell anybody else to waste their time... And i'll maintain that position, left leaning communities are just as cancerous as right-wing communities when it comes to online discourse."
:—[https://youtu.be/stdrVr9BHkE?t=5546 Destiny responding to Hasan's demands for Emmia to apologize]</blockquote>

The conversation diverges further, as Hasan accuses destiny of hyper-focusing on extreme criticism against himself, prompting Destiny to bring up a Chapo thread for analysis. Hasan then claims DGG engages in similar behavior towards himself, but Destiny counters, explaining he bans unfair criticism towards Hasan and that ad hominem attacks are typically downvoted in his subreddit. From here, the two spend the remainder of the call debating the pragmaticism (or lack thereof) of their respective political views. Hasan alleges Destiny deliberately uses provocative behavior to alienate left-leaning viewers, like calling workers dumb. To which Destiny responds by pointing out Hasan’s has engaged in more divisive actions, such as recently stating in a tv interview that he wouldn't vote for Biden over Trump. Hasan argues that a vote for Biden is perpetuating a "business as usual" political structure that gave the United States Donald Trump to begin with, to which Destiny chides Hasan for not considering the individuals who would get hurt by a Donald Trump presidency (i.e women in need of abortions, and LGBT people).

Destiny then demands that Hasan explain his logic for abstaining from voting in the next election. Hasan explains that a vote for Biden would merely perpetuate the status-quo even further, asserts that politicians like Biden will never push for change that interferes with the "interest of capital" or corporations, and contends that Biden is "basically a Republican". Destiny counters, accusing Hasan of stating one of the most hilariously stupid things he has ever heard, remarks how individuals on the right will "literally cheer" for any republican candidate to get through in an election, and asserts that not voting for a democratic candidate because it "doesn't deal with capitalism" is an incredibly privileged position to anyone not spending all their time online "larping about socialism". The conversation eventually concludes as Destiny accuses Hasan of being an accelerationist and unpragmatic, Hasan asserts the "neoliberalism" and capitalistic nature of the Democratic party has corrupted it, and Destiny once again criticizes Hasan of arguing from a point of extreme privilege and ignoring individuals who would suffer under a Trump presidency.

=== Hasan and Destiny Break Up Over Kamala Misinformation ===
{{disambiguation |Main Article: [[Hasan_and_Destiny_Break_Up_Over_Kamala_Misinformation| Hasan and Destiny Break Up Over Kamala Misinformation]]}}
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLfAuWe3xho|300px|right| '''Hasanabi And Destiny BREAK UP Over Kamala Misinformation'''}}
On July 7, 2019 Destiny and Hasan had a very heated discussion regarding Piker's portrayal of American politician {{wiki|Kamala_Harris|Kamala Harris}} in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8alkrUF8b8 one of his videos], ultimately leading to their first major fallout.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = YouTube
|year = 2019
|month = July
|day = 9
|title = Hasanabi And Destiny BREAK UP Over Kamala Misinformation
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLfAuWe3xho
}} </ref> Upon reviewing the underlying facts of the video ([https://youtu.be/qvKIFQ3yh-c?t=275 which Hasan states were sourced primarily from a Twitter thread on the candidate]), Destiny found that [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLfAuWe3xho&t=94s "almost every single thing Hasan said in the video was either dead wrong or horribly stretched out of what's actually happening"]. While the two spent several hours debating these underlying facts, only a few of Destiny's grievances with the video were addressed. Furthermore, the debate was mired by several instances of Hasan inadvertently speaking over Destiny due to the poor-quality headset/microphone setup Destiny possessed at the time.

Shortly following the stream, both streamers created reddit threads detailing their feelings/takeaways from the discussion, and received their share of community feedback/criticism.<ref> {{cite
|source-name = Reddit
|year = N/A
|month = N/A
|day = N/A
|title = If Destiny wants to remain morally consistent, he [topic not specified]
|retrieved-date = N/A
|source = https://old.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/cayg1e/if_destiny_wants_to_remain_morally_consistent_he/
}}</ref><ref> https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/cbdj2w/on_bootyjudge/ </ref> Following an onstream addressal by Destiny of both the conversation and reddit threads, both streamers cut ties with one another for some time.<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2019
|month = July
|day = 10
|title = Hasanabi And Destiny BREAK UP Aftermath
|retrieved-date = 2024, December 5
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCsvkP_sVQw
}} </ref>

=== Hasan and Destiny get back together ===
On September 28, 2019(two months and twenty-two days following their initial "breakup"), Destiny and Hasan were briefly reunited at the {{wiki|TwitchCon|2019 San Diego TwitchCon|.}}<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = ephemeraljaunt
|year = 2019
|month = September
|day = 28
|title = TWITCHCON DAY 2 HIGHLIGHTS | RAJJPATEL, MIA MALKOVA, HASANABI, TRAINWRECKSTV & MORE
|retrieved-date = 2024, December 5
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRHma1nNs8c&t=313s
}} </ref><ref> [[Media:HasanDestinyHugTwitchCon.mp4]] </ref>
Upon encountering each other, the two exchange a friendly greeting before sharing a hug. The two would go on to briefly chat about an amusing encounter between [[KiraChats]] and Hasan, before departing ways with one another amicably.

=== "I've never been more gaslit in my entire life..." - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More(n-word arc) ===
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hodq77NShaA|300px|right| '''"I've never been more gaslit in my entire life..." - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More'''}}
On October 22, 2019 Destiny participated in a political panel hosted by [[MindWaves]]. The panel featured [[Hasan_Piker|Hasan Piker]], [[TheSerfsTV]](AKA Lance), [[Pxie]], [[Ahrelevant]], [[Bastiat]], [[Kormantine]] and [[Cole James Cash]].<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny
|year = 2019
|month = October
|day = 27
|title = “I’ve never been more gaslit in my entire life...” - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More
|retrieved-date = 2024, December 5
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hodq77NShaA
}}</ref><ref>{{cite
|source-name = MindWavesTV
|year = 2019
|month = November
|day = 3
|title = Big Brain Podcast Ep. 11 ft. Destiny, Hasan Piker, The Serfs, ActualJake, Cole James Cash & more
|retrieved-date = 2024, December 5
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHkH9TthrmU
}} </ref> Four topics were discussed during the panel, among these topics included a recent Canadian Election, usage of the n-word in private, the {{wiki|2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries|2020 Democratic primary}}, and {{wiki|Mark_Zuckerberg|Mark Zuckerberg's}} secret meetings with Conservatives. The second topic, usage of the n-word in private, took up the bulk of the podcast's time and was by far the most tumultuous of the topics discussed. The fallout of this topic produced [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/What_a_weaselly_little_liar,_dude a meme], [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Clarifying_some_previous_events a manifesto], and resulted in Destiny and Hasan cutting ties with one another.

=== End of the Leftist Arc? - Destiny Addresses the Recent Drama ===
{{disambiguation |Main Article: [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Clarifying_some_previous_events Clarifying some previous events]}}
On Oct 24, 2019, Destiny posted on his subreddit laying out the series of events which transpired leading up to and during the 'N-word' and 'Private vs. Public language' debate on the Big Brain Podcast. The video primarily consists of Destiny recounting these events, with the majority of the time focused on Destiny's irritation with Kormantine and Cole's behavior during the debate. Destiny also addresses Hasan, and takes great umbrage with his defense of Kormantine, and overall bad-faith engagement with the topic during the debate.

=== DMCA claim accusation, Hasan beef & More - LNOD WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8B2XTCm5h0

=== Hasan's Consequences from Trump WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDm8MoyeIek&t=8s

=== Melina vs Hasan WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIdlHWuxdXI

=== Hasan fan calls into Destiny's stream WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIdlHWuxdXI

=== Piers Morgan Show attempts to set up a debate with Destiny and Hasan ===
On May 2, 2024, {{wiki|Piers_Morgan_Uncensored|''Piers Morgan Uncensored''}} attempted to set up a debate between Destiny and Hasan.<ref> https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1cirrrv/pierce_morgan_show_trying_to_set_up_destiny_vs/ </ref> Destiny agreed to the debate, and Hasan's response was never received.

=== "IMAGINE BEING THIS PATHETIC" - Discussing the Rajj Royale-Hasan drama ft. Rajj WIP===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agIFDWWs1KA&feature=youtu.be

== Notable Clips, Videos, Tweets and Controversies WIP ==
=== Clips ===
==== Hasan allegedly consumes Destiny content in his free time ====
[[File:Hasan watching Destiny.mp4|300px|right|thumb|''' Destiny claiming Hasan "religiously" consumes his content.''']]
On May 13, 2024, Destiny alleges that Hasan spends his free time religiously following his content. Destiny claims to have discovered this following Melina's affair with Hasan's friend, [[Will Neff]].

On May 15, 2024, Destiny provided a compilation video as evidence of Hasan "obsessing" over his personal life. Within the video a six-minute compilation of Hasan discussing Destiny's personal life since early March, 2024 is provided.<ref>[[Media:Hasan Dgg lore master.mp4]]</ref>

=== Controversies ===
Throughout his career, Piker has been involved in several controversies, often stemming from his outspoken political views. In 2019, he faced backlash for comments made during a Twitch stream about the September 11 attacks and brave Mujahideen fighters fucking the eye hole of U.S. Representative [[Dan Crenshaw]]. Piker later apologized for the remarks, stating that they were "inappropriate and offensive."

==== Bro Tips ====
During the run of Hasan's show [https://thebrotip.wordpress.com/author/hasanpiker/ "Bro Tips"], hosted on The Young Turks, he made a number of controversial comments in which he accused Lady Gaga of having a penis, and gave viewers instructions on how to isolate women from their friends, then coerce them into sexual intercourse. {{citation needed}}

<blockquote>
"Come back again next week when we discuss the legendary question of all time: Old enough to count, old enough to mount?" <ref>Rare Cringe Hasanabi Compilation. (May 22, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved April 23, 2024, from https://youtu.be/q_r7Ft35rE0?si=nDhEaR3tCq3s3C7J&t=41</ref>
:— Hasan 'The Brofessor' Piker
</blockquote>

<blockquote>
"It's time to get out of here and it's time to separate her from her herd, meaning her crowd of girlfriends who are going to do their best to cockblock you because they're fat and lonely." <ref>Hasanabi Brotip: The Lets Get Outta Here Rule. (May 26, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved April 23, 2024, from https://youtu.be/DLEGpN0CUJ4?si=6kUQw4qtv1_kojms&t=50</ref>
:— Hasan 'The Brofessor' Piker
</blockquote>

<blockquote>
"Brotip: If you stand in front of the door, she can't leave." {{citation needed}}
:— Hasan 'The Brofessor' Piker
</blockquote>

<blockquote>
"Here's why the 5 second rule works: Because when you start thinking for longer than 5 seconds, you're immediately not thinking with your dick, and also thinking with this thing that we like to call our brains." <ref>{{cite
|source-name = Rare Cringe Hasanabi Compilation
|year = 2022
|month = May
|day = 22
|title = Rare Cringe Hasanabi Compilation
|retrieved-date = 2024, April 23
|source = https://youtu.be/q_r7Ft35rE0?si=10gms6GRO_hDXmgC&t=26
}}</ref>

:— Hasan 'The Brofessor' Piker
</blockquote>

==== Controversial quotes ====
{| class="wikitable sortable"
|-
! style="background-color: #d3d3d3; font-weight: bold;width:10%; | Date
! style="background-color: #d3d3d3; font-weight: bold;width:60%; | Quote
! style="background-color: #d3d3d3; font-weight: bold;width:20%; | Clip
|-
|10/8/2021
| ''"Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?"''<ref>{{cite
|source-name = Hasan & LSF don’t want you to see this meme #shorts
|year = 2021
|month = October
|day = 8
|title = Hasan & LSF don’t want you to see this meme #shorts
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 18
|source = https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-puwvE_gNjE
}}</ref>
|[[File:HasanBrow.mp4|400px]]
|-
|3/18/2021
| ''"I paved it on my own".''<ref>{{cite
|source-name = Destiny Meme Archive
|year = 2022
|month = March
|day = 18
|title = “I paved it on my own.”
|retrieved-date = 2024, December 5
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPOHFBVAzrk
}}</ref>
|[[File:HasanPavedit.mp4|400px]]
|-
|1/21/2022
| ''"I hope, I hope, that the rest of your life is as horrible as it is every single day, okay. There ya go. Suck my dick. I despise you. I despise you more than anything else on the planet. You are fucking cancer, okay. You are cancer in this community, and you are cancer in every community. Suck my dick. For the last 15 months you've been able to fucking hide in these ranks, you catboy fuck. Move your catboy ass out of here, you are never welcome. You are never going to be unbanned, no matter how difficult it is, no matter how much you want to get unbanned, I will never unban you. You are now banished into the fucking, shadow realm, okay. The notion, that I am not, fuckin, ehh, ehh, ah- a-, like, I should not be having transphobes on, or ever talk about transphobia, or to transphobic people, is such a pathetic, and stupid fucking argument, when Vaush himself has probably said that the debate was fine. Okay? I don't like you. I'm going to make this very clear. If you are this type of person, I don't like you. I don't want you to be in here, okay? Or if you're gonna be in here, you need to fucking know your place. You need to know your place. Your place is this, okay? It's not this, it's this. You can stay in here and watch, but you're not going to fuckin', write shit, in the chat. Sorry. I would quite literally rather have someone who is on the margins, and is actually interested in learning, but might have transphobic points of view, RATHER THAN, someone who's like, (gay voice) "MM I'm a catboy, I've been in here for 50 months, and I think like, you know, you're not that good at debates, so you shouldn't have a transphobic person on." Like, no. Fuck off. Like, literally, I would rather have a MILLION people that are willing to fucking learn, and are actually here, much like the rest of normal society that have been like, socially conditioned into feeling the ways that they do, than ANY NUMBER of super woke, super fuckin' leftist, uh, uh, debate lords. Straight up. I've done more debates than you, I'm better at debates than you, I'm better at debates than most of the other people that you fucking compare me to, because debates are still pure rhetoric, okay. That's it. (sips drink) Anyway... Oh, by the way, mods, clap that person that is definitely in the discord too. If they're crying in the discord right now, 100% clap that person's ass cheeks. "''<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/s9ndgi/damn_hasan_really_went_mask_off_in_the_aftermath/ </ref>
|[[File:HasanTransClip.mp4|400px]]
|-
|2/3/2023
| ''"I make the same amount of money as a doctor".''<ref> {{cite
|source-name = Hasan says he makes the same amount of money as a doctor
|year = 2024
|month =
|day =
|title = Hasan says he makes the same amount of money as a doctor
|retrieved-date = 2024, December 5
|source = https://arazu.io/t3_1ahnlin/?timeframe=all&category=hot
}}</ref>
|[[File:HasanDoctorMoney.mp4|400px]]
|-
|2/7/2023
| ''"I live on a basic necessity budget".''<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = Destiny Meme Archive
|year = 2022
|month = March
|day = 18
|title = “I paved it on my own.”
|retrieved-date = 2024, December 5
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPOHFBVAzrk
}}</ref></ref>
|[[File:HasanBasicNec.mp4|400px]]
|-
|2/24/2023
| ''"A real job ... doesn't suck the soul out of you in the same way that ... streaming absolutely will."''<ref>{{cite
|source-name = Hasan’s thoughts the working class: “A real job ... doesn’t suck the soul out of you in the same way that ... streaming absolutely will.”
|year = 2024
|month =
|day =
|title = Hasan’s thoughts the working class: “A real job ... doesn’t suck the soul out of you in the same way that ... streaming absolutely will.”
|retrieved-date = 2024, December 5
|source = https://arazu.io/t3_1az4eoe/?timeframe=all&category=hot
}}</ref>
|[[File:HasanRealJob.mp4|400px]]
|-
|10/19/2023
| ''"I am a propagandist, for the record."''<ref>{{cite
|source-name = Piers Morgan vs HasanAbi On Palestine-Israel Conflict and War | The Full Interview
|year = 2023
|month = October
|day = 19
|title = Piers Morgan vs HasanAbi On Palestine-Israel Conflict and War | The Full Interview
|retrieved-date = 2023, November 17
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bA6Iif8-cY
}}</ref>

|[[File:HasanPropogandist.mp4|400px ‎]]
|-
|6/4/2023
| ''"At least Patrick Henry college, is like, doing one good thing. Which is that like, if you have these fucking millionaire/billionaire WASP fail-sons, at least taking them out of other colleges so they can only do date-rape to millionaire/billionaire fail-daughters, is like in some respects, you know from a utilitarian perspective of course, a little bit better, you know what I mean? Taking these guys and... putting them in a pen with one another, is ultimately getting them away from the broader society."''<ref>
{{cite
|source-name = HasanAbi
|year = 2023
|month =
|day =
|title = New PragerU Propaganda Is INSANE
|retrieved-date = 2024, December 5
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9VModWq4iQ
}}</ref>
|[[File:HasanPatrickHenryCollege.mp4|400px‎]]
|-
|9/27/2024
|''"America deserves a million January 6s."''<ref> Reddit - Dive into anything. (2024). Reddit.com. https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1fqfj1z/hasan_america_deserves_a_million_january_6s/ </ref>
| [[File:HasanJan6Clip2.mp4|400px]]
|-
|}

== External Links ==
*[https://twitch.tv/hasanabi Twitch]
*[https://www.youtube.com/@hasanabi YouTube]
*[https://twitter.com/hasanthehun Twitter]
*[https://www.instagram.com/hasandpiker Instagram]
*[https://www.tiktok.com/@hasandpiker TikTok]

== References ==
[[Category:Streamers]] [[Category:On-stream personalities]]

Ukrainian Ana

2024-12-08T21:58:00Z

Godofdoors0: Added some videos links/titles

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| person_name = Ukranian Ana
| image = UkraineAna.jpg
| caption = Anastasiya Paraskevova
| person_status = Active
| political_alignment =
| person_age =
| qualifications =
| occupation = Volunteer, Activist
| country = Ukraine
| website =
| twitter = UkrainianAna
| instagram =
| youtube =
| stock =
| awards = [[File:DestinyAwards.png|35px]] [[Destiny Awards#Ally of the Year|2022 Ally {{tooltip|of the Year|OTY}}]] 
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'''Anastasiya Paraskevova''', commonly known in [[DGG]] as '''Ukrainian Ana''', is a political activist and [[Orbiters|orbiter]] who came to prominence in 2022 after recording her experiences<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzwf493RdxM Ukrainian family newly reunited ripped apart again after Russian missile kills dad | ITV News]. Video.</ref> living in Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian war.<ref>[[wikipedia:Russo-Ukrainian War|Russo-Ukrainian War]]. Wikipedia.</ref> The interview that put her on DGG's radar was done by [[DylanBurnsTV|Dylan Burns]]<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh6IPjd42SA Ukrainian Calls Out Hasan on Russian Invasion During Interview]. Video.</ref>, within which she notably criticized [[Hasan Piker|HasanAbi]] on his coverage of Ukraine, while stating her support of Destiny's coverage. Ana's first major media appearance was self-proclaimed to be on CNN in the beginning of the war.
== Appearances on Destiny's Stream ==
* On August 30th 2023, Ana successfully closed [[cantclosevim|vim]].<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxneMxGuTou0kXtmu70FQk1IzPljKReo_D?si=fuHAuT4DvyqMmUd9 Ana closes vim]. YouTube Clip.</ref>
* Destiny's continued spam of the phrase "[[Gotcha, anything else?]]", as Ana reveals the horrors of war and other personal hardships, is currently being investigated as to be added along side the list of war crimes established in the Geneva Conventions.

=== Ana Calls Out US Leftists, Dispels Popular Russian Misinformation WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kl-9VQOq0E

=== Ana joins during Destiny and PaulsEgo call WIP ===
https://youtu.be/ngZ-UN1PhjA?t=5809

== Appearances on other channels ==

=== Vaush does interview of Ana WIP ===

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3foWPmF6oEc

=== Ana talks about the loss of her father WIP ===

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-53l5xMKE8M

=== Ana debates on Piers Morgan WIP ===

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ5pYYve_HY

== External Links ==
* [https://twitter.com/UkrainianAna Twitter]

== References ==
<references/>
[[Category:On-stream personalities]]

Emma Vigeland

2024-12-04T06:33:39Z

Godofdoors0: Removed information that had no source

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| person_name = Emma Vigeland
| image = EVigeland.jpg
| caption =
| person_status = Active
| political_alignment = Progressive
| person_age =
| qualifications =
| occupation = Political Commentator
| country =
| website =
| twitter = EmmaVigeland
| instagram = emmavigeland
| youtube =
| stock =
| awards =
}}
'''Emma Vigeland''' is a co-host of [[The Majority Report]] with [[Sam Seder]]. Vigeland began her foray into the world of political commentary within [[The Young Turks]] (TYT) Network, working as an intern until eventually becoming a permanent member.

== Destiny Meets Emma ==
In September 2023 [[Destiny]], [[Vaush]], and Vigeland were invited by [[Progressive Victory]] to have a rooftop meeting with Congressperson [[Ro Khanna]] followed by a discussion with [[Ryan Grim]].<ref>Big Stream with Ro Khanna ft. Vaush, Emma Vigeland, Destiny, Ryan Grim, Cenk Uygur (September 29, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved March 25, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4TOXiPSmGk&</ref> That same evening this iconic trio participated in a Vidcon Panel.<ref>Infighting And Bridging Divides | Vaush, Emma Vigeland And Destiny Vidcon Panel (September 29, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved March 25, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM4w7KZBbug&t=3181s.</ref>

== External Links ==
* [https://twitter.com/EmmaVigeland Twitter]
* [https://www.instagram.com/emmavigeland/ Instagram]

== References ==
<references/>

Whatever

2024-12-04T06:25:59Z

Godofdoors0: Created page with "'''Podcast Logo''' == External Links == * [https://www.twitch.tv/whatever Twitch] * [https://x.com/whatever Twitter] *[https://www.youtube.com/whatever Youtube] *[https://www.instagram.com/whatever/ Instagram] == References == Category:Podcasts"

[[File:Whatever.png|thumb|'''Podcast Logo''']]

== External Links ==
* [https://www.twitch.tv/whatever Twitch]
* [https://x.com/whatever Twitter]
*[https://www.youtube.com/whatever Youtube]
*[https://www.instagram.com/whatever/ Instagram]

== References ==
[[Category:Podcasts]]

File:Whatever.png

2024-12-04T06:23:20Z

Godofdoors0: Whatever podcast logo

== Summary ==
Whatever podcast logo

Pxie

2024-12-04T00:04:22Z

Godofdoors0: added info box and some of pxie's debates.

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| image = Pxie.png
| caption =
| person_status = Active
| political_alignment =
| person_age =
| qualifications =
| occupation = Livestreamer
| country = USA
| website =
| twitter = pxielovee
| instagram = pxielove
| youtube = @Pxielove_
| stock =
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}}
'''Pxie''' is a Puerto Rican-American livestreamer and political commentator currently in [[Destiny]]'s [[:Category:Orbiters|orbit]]. She currently works for [[Progressive Victory]]. She is known for BTFOing [[MindWaves]].Has often appeared on redpill podcast to push back for a pro-feminist position.

== Pxie's debate appearances ==

=== Pxie vs Mindwaves WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2RJi2bslOs&t=1425s

=== Destiny debates Pxie ft. Mindwaves WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd-LotbVN38

=== Pxie debates Playingwithfire WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQaMnhwln68

=== Michael Knowles vs Pxie, Farha, and Jasmine WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGheQulIfao&t=81s

=== Whatever podcast debate with Andrew Wilson WIP ===
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20RTvgQv0is

== External Links ==
* [https://twitch.tv/pxie Twitch]
* [https://kick.com/pxie Kick]
* [https://twitter.com/pxielovee Twitter]
* [https://www.instagram.com/pxielove Instagram]
* [https://tiktok.com/@pxielove TikTok]

[[Category:Streamers]]
[[Category:Orbiters]]
[[Category: On-stream personalities]]

Vivian Wulf

2024-12-02T03:56:49Z

Godofdoors0: Added Vivian Wulf page. Needs sources.

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| person_name = Vivian Wulf
| image = Vivian Wulf.jpg
| caption =
| person_status = Active
| political_alignment =
| person_age =
| qualifications =
| occupation = Livestreamer
| country = United Kingdom
| website =
| twitter = MxVivianWulf
| instagram =
| youtube = @mxvivianwulf
| stock =
| awards
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Vivian Wulf is a streamer of the UK that has debated Destiny and other [[Orbiters]] many times. Often the debates are centered around around trans issues.
== External Links ==
* [https://twitter.com/MxVivianWulf Twitter]
* [https://www.youtube.com/@mxvivianwulf7019/videos YouTube]
* [https://www.twitch.tv/mxvivianwulf Twitch]

== References ==
[[Category:Streamers]]

File:Vivian Wulf.jpg

2024-12-02T03:40:37Z

Godofdoors0: Vivian Wulfprofile pic

== Summary ==
Vivian Wulfprofile pic

Melina

2024-11-30T21:42:03Z

Godofdoors0: Added infobox

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| image = MelW.jpg
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| person_age = {{age|1998|8|12}}
| qualifications =
| occupation = Streamer
| country = Sweden
| website =
| twitter = melinagoranson
| instagram = melina.goransson
| youtube = @melina.goransson
| stock =
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'''Melina Goransson''' (born August 17th, 1998<ref>https://www.famousbirthdays.com/people/melina-goransson.html</ref>) is a lifestyle streamer. She is well known for her Swedish Rock Washing, a ritual in which she will wait until [[Destiny]] goes live to charm DGG by smashing and cleaning all rocks collected during her daily jog. She had multiple emotes in [[DGG Chat]], [[File:MelWemote.png]]. Melina also had exclusive access to the [[File:GIGAMEL.png|30px]] emote and a Mel variant of the [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/File:DggL.png dggL emote].

== Divorce ==
On the 6th and 7th of December, 2023 Destiny removed and blocked Melina on his social media<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/18cnt4e/destiny_has_unfollowed_or_blocked_by_melina_on_a/ Reddit post on social media removals]</ref>, said in chat that he "is out" and that she needs to pack up her belongings before he gets back to Miami on the 9th of December. The two have officially been divorced and signed a postnuptial agreement. <ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/18ct74s/the_full_logs_its_joever_read_from_bottom/ Destiny's DGG Chat logs post on Reddit]</ref>

=== Divorce Streams ===
Three major streams have occurred regarding Destiny and Melina's divorce, each more intense and revealing than the last. Destiny's personal reflections and Memetix/Melina's overt lies about the divorce to mutual friends and other streamers behind the scenes have led to these escalating streams.

==== December 11th, 2023 ====
On December 11th, 2023 Destiny streamed what would later be referred to as the "cuck stream". <ref>Destiny Addresses His Divorce Rumor. (December 11, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ1whR2pn2Y </ref> Wherein he apologized for leaking messages in DGG chat, apologizes to his audience for "baiting" with a formal manifesto, and gives a brief overview of the events that transpired leading to their divorce. Destiny explains that after speaking with his therapist he realized it would be for the best to not disparage Melina or her new boyfriend too much publically, and leaves the door open for a potential return should she wish to come back once enough time transpires.

==== December 19th, 2023 ====
On December 19th, 2023 Destiny announced in DGG chat that he would be going into detail regarding the circumstances of their divorce.<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/18mgk5z/red_alert_melnifesto_drop_immenent/ Reddit post on Manifesto potentially dropping]</ref> Destiny was prompted to do this seemingly after finding out Melina and Memetix said on stream that Destiny had been lying about things he said in chat on December 7th. Destiny's main goal with this discussion was to fight a few widespread impressions that irk him<ref>[https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=459 Claims Destiny wanted to address]</ref>:
# He is a horrible abusive one-sided terrible person that Melina escaped.
# He is unsure how many people have heard "insane" things about him behind the scenes as a result of Melina providing her one-sided perspective.
# He is not happy with the things Memetix and Melina accusing him of lying about with regards to the circumstances of their divorce and relationship. Destiny then points out that his claims are easily backed up by logs, and that it would be incredibly stupid of him to lie.
# He wants to give a very broad accounting of the things that happened.

Shortly after announcing his intentions in DGG chat, Destiny streamed for two hours and divulged much more information regarding the circumstances of the divorce.<ref>Melina Contacts Destiny And Asks For Money... (December 20th, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FZK1BdFAmE </ref>. At the beginning of the stream, Destiny noted that at least five mutual friends had reached out to him, implying that he had been untruthful about many things and had been abusive towards Melina. He then provided a timeline of events since December 7th leading up to their divorce. He talked about Melina's tendency to exaggerate and emotionally rewrite the history of their interactions, and her practice of sharing personal details of their relationship with outsiders, which he likened to creating '50 Bob7s'. He expressed his frustration with people weaponizing their emotions against him and friends who try to find a middle ground in their disputes. Destiny highlighted that most of his arguments with Melina revolved around statements of fact, leaving little room for disagreement. Finally, he discussed the rules in their open relationship that, in his view, were designed to set him up for failure, and he mentioned Melina’s request for $100,000 for her apartment in Sweden.

==== December 21st, 2023 ====
On December 21st, 2023, Destiny responded to Henry Resilient's video, in which Henry accused Destiny of lying about the circumstances surrounding his and Melina's divorce and the allegations against Memetix.<ref> Destiny LIED about Memetix and Melina. (Dec 21, 2023 ). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv8Zr1O8cJM </ref> <ref>Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVG6qt9wvHw‌</ref>Chat logs of an interview between Memetix and Henry regarding the situation are provided, the contents of which spur Destiny to go into more detail than prior streams regarding the circumstances of the divorce and the events leading up to it. Following a reaction to the video, Destiny provided the following guideline with regards to the circumstances that would allow him to disclose more information publicly<ref>[https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=1908 Destiny's rules for leaking drama publically]</ref>:
# Destiny dislikes the public impression of being labled a cheater/abuser/horrible person. Destiny would also like to combat the potential videos from other content creators that would result should he and Melina split, as they will have a warped perception regarding the events that transpired.
# Destiny gets very nervous when individuals spread false, character damaging, information about himself behind the scenes. By December 21st, 2023, Melina and Tim have reached out to 8 different mutual friends with lies.
# Pettiness, there is much Destiny would be able to leak if his goal was to simply damage the other parties involved.

Following his listing of these rules, Destiny states that the "golden trifecta" has been achieved, and thanked Tim(Memetix) for enabling him to speak about some things more openly.<ref> [https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=2082 Destiny thanks Memetix for enabling him to speak on the drama more openly] </ref>
‌

=== Timeline of events ===
==== August ====
* Late July to Early August, Melina was forced to return to Sweden to deal with a tax dispute and the formal criminal charges filed against her as a result of it. While this was occuring, Destiny and Melina were fighting over two friendships he was forced to burn relating to Melina's habit of divulging intimate details regarding some of the problems in their relationship to these individuals(aka creating Bob7s).<ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=2265 </ref>
* Early August, while Destiny is the United States, Melina meets a new group of friends in Sweden. She assured Destiny that these friends were "cool", explaining they were either gay, platonic, or involved in other relationships. This group included Memetix, with whom Melina started hanging out as friends. Melina initially reassures Destiny that their friendship will be "platonic and cool", Destiny is skeptical. Shortly thereafter, Memetix ends up cheating on a girl he was with and has sex with Melina and the two are soon officially dating. <ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=2415 </ref>
* Mid to late August, the relationship between Melina and Memetix progresses. Melina informs Destiny that Memetix is quite clingy, while Melina wants space. Destiny jokes that this is similar to their dynamic(Melina being clingy while Destiny wants space). Destiny eventually discovers that the two have been frequently staying over at one another's apartments for several weeks. Melina does not inform Destiny of this until he asks explicitly, which Destiny is irked by. <ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=2549 </ref>
==== September ====
* Sometime around September, Melina's trial date approaches, and Destiny has a very "slutty" trip planned. Near the end of his "trip", Melina has her court date and wants Destiny present for it. The two had been fighting during this time, as Melina wanted Destiny to stay with her in Sweden for three months to support her while the legal issues were being discussed. Destiny feels he's already helping the best ways he can(managing tax issues, finding big 4 accountants to assist in the dispute, etc). While Melina feels irked as she is constantly questioned as to why Destiny isn't in Sweden supporting her, and she is unsure how to defend him.<ref> Destiny responds W/ receipts (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=2671</ref>

==== October ====
[[File:MelinaDestinyLogs.png|200px|thumb|right|Logs between Melina and Destiny, wherein she complains about Memetix's lack of a job and her requirement to pay for everything.]]
* Destiny eventually returns to his Florida apartment, streams once, then flies out to Sweden for ten days. Upon arriving in Sweden, Destiny notes that he feels underappreciated despite assisting Melina through her legal dispute. He eventually discovers that Memetix was essentially living with Melina while she was stuck in the country. Destiny's first night in Sweden, the two have a conversation about their past hookups, and argued over a boundary Destiny was accused of breaking by having hookups in the bed of their United States apartment. Initially, Melina claimed to be a germaphobe, but later admitted her real concern was about others being in her bed. Destiny felt irritated by this, especially since Memetix was constantly in Melina's apartment and appeared to be sharing her bed. Destiny eventually sits through the Swedish court hearing, and things go well. Once they arrive in the apartment, Melina allegedly engages in much shitty behavior towards Destiny.
* A few days following the court appearance, Destiny and Melina receive word that she will be able to receive her passport back soon. Destiny has a discussion with Melina, and remarks that he does not think Memetix will be okay with Melina returning to the United States as the two have been "glued" to each other for two months straight. Melina reassures Destiny that Memetix is poly and very okay with her leaving.
* Around October 8, 2023 Melina retrieves her passport from the courthouse and returns to the apartment appearing visibly stressed after an interaction she had with Memetix. She informs Destiny that Memetix believes Destiny is way too toxic for her, and he can't stand to see her in so much pain. Memetix gives Melina the ultimatum to either divorce Destiny or leave him. Memetix then claims that a few of Melina's friends have said Destiny and her do need to break up due to the toxicity in their relationship. Upon seeing Melina's hesitation to respond, Memetix(knowing Melina has abandonment issues), lashes out and says "this is why everybody you've ever loved has left you Melina", and promptly storms down the street. Destiny and Melina have a thirty minute conversation regarding the state of their relationship. During the conversation, Destiny maintains that he is happy with the state of their relationship despite the fights, and notes that Memetix has done some strange things as of late that might make a relationship with him difficult. A few hours later, Memetix began sending apologetic direct messages to Melina, insisting they needed to talk immediately. When Melina asked Destiny if she should respond, he advised against it. Melina then told Memetix they could talk the next day. In response, Memetix claimed he was walking outside and feeling suicidal. Melina then chats with Memetix for two hours, in an attempt to calm him down. Destiny felt optimistic, believing Melina would end the relationship due to Memetix's abusive behavior. He never explicitly told her to stop talking to Memetix, assuming she would naturally cut off contact after such an incident. The next day Memetix would go on to say he didn't actually threaten suicide, and was just having suicidal feelings.<ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=2859 </ref>
* October 8, 2023 Melina reaches out to some of her friends to corroborate Memetix's accusations that they had wanted Melina to get out of her relationship with Destiny. She eventually confirms that Memetix had been lying. <ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=3375 </ref>
* October 20, 2023 Destiny and Melina get into a fight(while in Las Vegas) because Tim was saying you can't raise children in a poly relationship, or with an American. The fight heats up, and she asks him if he's on his meds and implies that could be the cause of his poor mood. <ref> Melina Contacts Destiny And Asks For Money... (December 20th, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=142 </ref> <ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=3772 </ref> Destiny was not initially aware that Melina would be available for TwitchCon, and regrettably had to cancel several planned sexual endeavors as a result. Upon noticing that Melina had been texting Memetix for several hours on the third day of TwitchCon(after assuming she had cut him off as a result of his prior behavior), an irate Destiny storms off and goes to some of his planned hookups.

==== November ====
[[File:MelinaDestinyVagueTweet.png|200px|thumb|left|A tweet posted by Destiny in the midst of Melina spending time in Sweden with Memetix.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/181j5ri/vaguestiny/</ref>]]
* Destiny and Melina return to Miami. Melina gets really irritated upon discovering that Memetix had been cuddling with a close friend of Melina's in her Sweden apartment. Upon pressing her, Destiny is shocked to discover that Memetix has a key to Melina's apartment, and that Tim is allowed to invite girls back to her apartment to have sex with. Destiny then informs Melina that he will do "whatever the fuck" he wants in the bed of his apartment, and if she is not happy with that she can leave. Destiny streams that day, and Melina has a 5 hour call with Memetix and the friend he hooked up with, she claims the conversation went well. <ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=3916 </ref>
* Melina eventually finds out that Memetix is lying to her mutual friends about her. Destiny gives her some advice, and informs her to reach out to some of these friends before Memetix attempts to. Destiny eventually discovers that multiple friends(who have likely been contacted by Memetix), no longer respond to his messages.
* Destiny takes Melina to the airport, and informs her that he feels like he'll never see her again. He remains optimistic however, and assumes Melina will eventually phase Memetix out of her life(pointing to his past toxic behavior). <ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=4409 </ref>
* Within a week of returning to Sweden, Memetix and Melina are close again. Destiny is worried at this point, as he is unsure if Melina is getting "mind-fucked" into an abusive relationship, as she is beginning to slip on some of her business obligations, is cutting contact from some of her friends, and appears distant in their calls. Melina has an interview at one point, and when she begins speaking positively about Destiny, Memetix angrily storms out of the apartment. <ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=4481</ref>
* Destiny attempts to reach out to Melina's father and sister to see if they can provide him info regarding Melina's status. He eventually finds out that Melina and Memetix have been informing any mutuals that Destiny is having a "crazy-manic episode" and to avoid speaking with him. Destiny is in contact with a mutual friend of theirs, and they inform Destiny that she can't hang out with Melina without Memetix being there. Destiny eventually blocks Melina on Instagram, stating he can't stand seeing Melina post pictures with such a toxic and manipulative individual. Destiny calls his therapist and sets up a 5-hour group therapy session when Melina returns to the United States, and begins putting together a manifesto. Destiny then has a 3 hour long conversation with a close friend, and eventually concludes that their relationship troubles aren't entirely Memetix's fault.<ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=4748</ref>
==== December ====
[[File:MelinaMemetixHoodie.png|200px|thumb|right|The Memetix hoodie Melina greeted Destiny in upon returning from Sweden.]]
* Melina returns from Sweden. Upon picking her up from the airport, he sees Melina is wearing a hoodie with Memetix's name printed on the front. Destiny refrains from interacting with Melina over the course of the next few days while she's back in the United States.<ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=5187 </ref>
* On the day of their therapy session, Destiny, believing that the discussion would not be fruitful and "seeing the writing on the wall", walks to the bank with Melina to withdraw his money(~$115,000).The two then have their 5 hour long therapy session with their therapist, Stacy. Destiny feels good at this point. Melina allegedly agrees to this as they have decided to take a break for 6 months, and Destiny wants to protect his assets.<ref> Melina Contacts Destiny And Asks For Money... (December 20th, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=1962 </ref> <ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=5265 </ref>
* Melina is very upset one day as Memetix has cheated on her with multiple other individuals while she has been in the United States. Melina is more open to the boundaries Destiny set in therapy at this point, and in turn establishes "strange" ones(i.e. not judging her for working so much, something Destiny has never complained about, and giving Melina freedom). Destiny notes that the boundaries Melina set seem like they would not work in a relationship with Memetix.
* December 7, 2023 Destiny and Melina have a conversation which ended horribly(Melina confided in Memetix details regarding their personal relationship). Destiny is irate at this point, and accuses Melina of running damage control for Memetix, and implies that Memetix knows more about their relationship than Destiny knows about her. Destiny wanted her to be gone with all her shit by the the time he got home on December 9th. Later that night, Destiny had a short conversation with her in dms(Destiny admits he is fairly irate at this point, and the messages he sent could be perceived as "unhinged"). Melina's responses were described as loving yet cold and detached, and fairly logical. Destiny noted that she was denying things she had previously confessed to doing. Unable to sleep, Destiny started typing things about their relationship in the DGG chat that he later regretted. Destiny has a 15-page manifesto ready to go at this point. That day, Destiny appears as a guest on two shows, Jubilee and the Whatever podcast. Destiny and Melina are seperated for two days at this point, and he has solicited much feedback from many mutuals regarding their interaction. After these conversations, Destiny sends an apologetic message to Melina for his seemingly unhinged behavior, and messages in DGG chat(Destiny was blocked on all socials at this point so he sent it through a mutual). <ref> Melina Contacts Destiny And Asks For Money... (December 20th, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=993 </ref>
* Destiny messages Melina, inquiring what she means when she says she will "go on break", and asks if she will restrict herself romantically and sexually from Memetix. Melina responds that she will not, and Destiny concludes that Melina simply wants to try out a relationship with Memetix and crawl back to him if it doesn't work out.
* December 11, 2023 Destiny has a three-hour discussion with his therapist, Stacy, about their relationship and his struggles to understand some of Melina's behaviors. Stacy advised Destiny to focus on achieving a specific outcome, warning against actions that could lead to a less desirable result. Following the therapy, he managed to get Melina to sign a postnuptial agreement. Later that day, Destiny spent two hours talking with a friend about the situation. <ref> Melina Contacts Destiny And Asks For Money... (December 20th, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=1146 </ref>
* Destiny later does the "cuck" stream, wherein he apologizes for his unhinged behavior, leaking details regarding his relationship in dgg, and leaves the door open for Melina's return.<ref> Melina Contacts Destiny And Asks For Money... (December 20th, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=1208 </ref>
* December 12, 2023 Destiny notices a few passive aggressive tweets from Melina(which he viewed through dummy social media accounts). Destiny has his birthday party and notably did not receive a happy birthday from Melina :( . Destiny claims he is "chilling" at this point, and is happy where things are left.<ref> Melina Contacts Destiny And Asks For Money... (December 20th, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=1232 </ref>
* December 13, 2023 people start messaging Destiny about things Melina has been saying. Most of the mutual friends allegedly believe Melina, despite her tendency to not divulge the full story of any fight they may have.<ref>[https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=224 Melina has been talking to mutuals behind the scenes]</ref> Destiny believes Melina will never leak anything, because she knows everything about this makes her look like a "satanic demon"<ref>[https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=743 Melina will never leak anything]</ref>. Notable messages include "I'm so glad I got out of that, I never want to go back to this horrible person, I realized how much of an abuser he is... I can't believe he lied and tried to make everybody sympathetic for him...". Destiny is taken aback by these messages, as they were in response to his "cuck-stream". Destiny begins to retrofit actions melina did in the past, and everything starts to make sense. Destiny says fuck everyone who made him walk back his initial assessment of things. Upon seeing the aforementioned messages from Melina regarding their relationship, Destiny rents an attorney, got the divorce papers, printed them up, sent them to melina to sign by monday. The papers were signed almost immediately, notarized, and the court accepted everything. <ref> Melina Contacts Destiny And Asks For Money... (December 20th, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=1301 </ref>
* Melina reaches out to Destiny. She allegedly never truly wanted to get a divorce, and had recently received a message relating to her Sweden apartment. The Florida courts accepted the paperwork for their divorce, the day before Melina received a notice relating to her apartment. She claims he owes her money($100,000) for her apartment in Sweden. The two have a forty minute call later that day. During their conversation, Destiny compared himself to Neo, claiming he could detect each lie and pivot Melina made in real time. He challenged every assertion Melina presented, consistently asking for logs or evidence to back her claims, which she was unable to provide. Melina notably calls Destiny an emotionally stunted child that surrounds himself with yes-men during the call. <ref> Melina Contacts Destiny And Asks For Money... (December 20th, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=1471 </ref> <ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=6503
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=== Financial fallout of divorce ===

Destiny stated that there is no noticeable financial burden on his end as a result of the divorce. He goes on to say that the two have no joint assets, no kids, and live in Florida(the state has disfavorable laws for short-term marriages), and even if she wanted to fight she would likely receive nothing.<ref>[https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=1912 Destiny addresses the financial fallout of the divorce]</ref>

=== Memetix chat logs during the December 19th stream ===
[[File:Memetixyoutubelogs.png|200px|thumb|Right|Memetix logs during the December 19th stream]]
[[File:YodieGangmelina.png|200px|thumb|right |Prominent youtuber [https://www.youtube.com/@damianluck925| damianluck925's] advice to Destiny during his tumultuous divorce.]]
Memetix appeared in chat while Destiny was recounting the events of his divorce and attempted multiple times to egg Destiny on. Notably, upon Memetix's allegation that he has a recording of Destiny requesting he kill himself, Destiny remarks he did say as much and requests that Memetix be a "man of his word"(in reference to Memetix threatening to take his own life on multiple occasions).<ref>[https://kick.com/destiny?clip=clip_01HJ34G1G1V557Z8H5XWABRV2K Destiny responds to an allegation by Memetix]</ref>

During the December 21st stream, Destiny remarks that Memetix might be getting "super mind fucked right now" judging by the way he types in chat. He cautioned Memetix that Melina had been lying frequently over the past six months, and suggests that this might explain the apparent confidence behind some of Memetix's statements.<ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=2497 </ref>

=== Darius Situation ===
Destiny explains that Melina was 100% unequivocally wrong, and exaggerated/lied about everything having to do with the situation. Destiny goes on to claim that because it ended up in a place she didn't like, she emotionally rewrote their interactions to make it seem like [[DariusIRL]] was a clingy abusive loser the entire time. <ref> Melina Contacts Destiny And Asks For Money... (December 20th, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=429 </ref>
Destiny then claims he did not want to intervene in their personal drama which is why he let Darius get "dragged", however he did communicate with the two behind the scenes individually. <ref> Melina Contacts Destiny And Asks For Money... (December 20th, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=686 </ref>

=== Melina's request for $100,000 ===
Melina reached out(through a mutual) to Destiny twelve days after blocking him on all platforms. Destiny assumed Melina reached out to him as a result of her receiving some sort of notice regarding the status of her apartment the day after the divorce papers were notarized.<ref>Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=6496</ref> She asserts Destiny owes her money for her apartment in Sweden, and if he wants to do what is morally right he should pay for her apartment in Sweden. Destiny responds that Melina is out of her mind, and suggests that Memetix get a job to pay off the amount due. Some time passes, and Melina wants to know where Destiny is at with regards to the apartment situation. Destiny states he's at the message he sent an hour ago, they have a 40 minute call. Melina starts lying throughout the convo, and destiny has logs on hand to disprove her(Destiny claims he felt like neo during this conversation).

Memetix streamed some time later, and said there was lies in the logs Destiny had released.<ref>[https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=2012 Memetix Stream accusations]</ref> Melina argued that Destiny lied about paying rent for her other boyfriend who moved into her Swedish apartment without Destiny's knowledge. Destiny admitted that, technically, he had not paid for her apartment. However, he explained that by covering all of Melina's living expenses while she lives in America, it's akin to indirectly funding her ability to pay for her Swedish apartment. This arrangement allows Melina to use her own money for the apartment in Sweden, which she has owned since before their relationship began. Therefore, Destiny's support in the US essentially enabled Melina to maintain her Swedish apartment.

As justification for the amount she requested from Destiny, Melina asserts that she abandoned all her things in Sweden for him. <ref>[https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=1709 Melina claims to have abandoned sweden for Destiny]</ref>
Melina: "You owe me this because I abandoned all of my stuff in sweden for you."
Destiny: "No you didn't, you abandoned new zealand for me."
Melina: "No i abandoned sweden, I couldn't go back after I..."
Destiny: "No you hated sweden, and you abandoned new zealand."
Destiny then pulls up logs from the first year of their relationship wherein the couple fought over Melina's desire to stay in New Zealand, her hating Sweden, and her hating having to come to the United States. When the two fought, Melina would frequently bring up how Destiny seemingly pulled her from her dream country and dropped her in a country she hates(Sweden), to which Destiny responded that she was engaged with a guy two weeks after she arrived in New Zealand.
=== TCBrady's involvement ===
[[File:MelinaTCbrady.png|200px|thumb|right|Destiny showing logs between Melina and TCBrady ]]
Destiny stated that he could corroborate almost everything Melina discussed with him through shared logs.<ref>Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=6934</ref>
As an example, Destiny provided direct messages between Melina and a loyal dgger, TCBrady, as evidence of her reaching out to mutual friends. Brady’s actions later earned him a front-runner position for DGGer of the year in [[Destiny_Awards | The Destiny Awards]], which he would go on to win. <ref>Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=6589 </ref>

=== Bob7 clones and relationship rules/dynamics ===
==== Bob7 "clones" ====
[[File:MelinaDestinyMemetix.png|200px|thumb|left|Logs between Destiny and Memetix, wherein Memetix claims he does not live with Melina.]]
Destiny maintains his position that Bob was a piece of shit, who was talking shit behind the scenes. There are multiple people that Melina dumped everything about their relationship to, these people have all eventually gone on to hate destiny. The justification for this "trauma-dumping" was always: "5 years of trauma, and because you traumatize me when you cheated." Destiny admits he did in fact cheat, but some of the rules were set up to make him fail, as there were many qualifiers with regards to girls he could hook-up with. <ref> Melina Contacts Destiny And Asks For Money... (December 20th, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=611</ref>

Destiny asserted that Melina has caused more people to be cut out of his life by bringing their relationship drama to these individuals. During one particular argument, Destiny asked Melina if she thought she was in the wrong in some of those instances, to which she replied no. The day after, Memetix continued with what Destiny described as manipulative, abuser-like behavior, and Melina suggested that Destiny should talk to him. This led to two days of intense conversations with Memetix, which Destiny characterized as "autistic." He then questioned why Melina hadn't had conversations with any of the people with whom her actions had damaged his friendships, particularly those who hadn't threatened self-harm, citing ErisAnn as an example.<ref> Melina Contacts Destiny And Asks For Money... (December 20th, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=2563</ref>

==== Cheating and Relationship dynamics ====
Destiny cited his hook-up with a girl in San Francisco and his prompt disclosure to Melina the next morning as an example of what Melina considered to be instances of Destiny "cheating." In contrast, he mentioned an incident where Melina, while traveling in Europe with two individuals(whom she claimed to not be involved with romantically), only shared her activities with these individuals upon Destiny’s direct inquiry. While Melina was on this trip, she requested Destiny not hook-up with a certain girl while she traveled. Agreeing to her request, Destiny later received a call from a crying Melina, confessing that she had hooked up with the two aforementioned individuals. <ref> Melina Contacts Destiny And Asks For Money... (December 20th, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 20, 2023, from https://youtu.be/4FZK1BdFAmE?t=3985</ref>

When Destiny discovered that Memetix had cheated on his previous girlfriend to be with Melina, and that they were now dating, he was surprised. He recalled how Melina had previously expressed that cheating was one of the worst actions someone could commit, yet she was now in a relationship with someone who had cheated to be with her. Destiny went on to remark that the relationship dynamic between Melina and Memetix, was quite similar to the relationship between himself and Melina. In that Tim is clingy, while Melina wants space(as opposed to Destiny wanting space and Melina being clingy). Destiny goes on to provide the example of Melina and Memetix being at a restaurant with other friends, Memetix wanting to go home, Melina wanting to stay, and Memetix proceeding to send several messages to Melina informing her she is being unfair and needs to return home immediately. <ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=2533 </ref>

==== Inconsistent relationship rules ====
One of Destiny's primary critiques of his former relationship with Melina, is the inconsistency in which certain rules were applied:

Destiny felt he was held to a much higher standard when it came to "information informing" regarding potential relationships. i.e. Destiny would have to inform of potential new partners immediately, and still receive criticism, while Melina would not inform Destiny of new partners/hookups until asked. He likens this to eventually discovering that Memetix was in Melina's apartment nearly every day, and Melina not informing him until he explicitly asked. <ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=2636</ref>

Additionally, Destiny perceived an inconsistent application of their rule about potential hookups in their shared bed. Melina would consistently say she's germaphobic when pressed on this issue. When the two argue about this boundary in Sweden, it eventually comes to be clear that Melina is not a germaphobe, and simply does not want Destiny's hookups in their bed. Destiny takes issue with this as Memetix is in Melina's Swedish apartment all the time, and seems to be sharing her bed. In response, Melina asserted that since she fully paid for the Swedish apartment, she could use it as she wished. Destiny countered this argument by pointing out that he pays for their apartment in the United States. This situation limited his ability to use a significant part of their U.S. apartment, whereas Melina had complete freedom in her Swedish apartment.<ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from hhttps://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=2873</ref> This issue flared up once more, once Destiny discovered that Melina had allowed Memetix to bring girls back to her Sweden apartment to hook up in her bed. <ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=3916 </ref>

Melina's disapproval of Destiny's partners, whom she saw as toxic to their relationship, and her maintenance of a relationship with Memetix, who openly wanted Melina to cut off Destiny, created another pain point. Destiny remarked that if there was a girl trying to debate him out of dating Melina, she would be losing her mind. <ref> Destiny Responds w/ Receipts. (Dec 21, 2023). www.youtube.com. Retrieved December 22, 2023, from https://youtu.be/zVG6qt9wvHw?t=3780</ref>

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Lycan

2024-11-30T09:26:47Z

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'''Lycan''' or '''LycanCooks''' is a professional chef, musician, maid, entrepreneur, StarCraft player/caster, lewd photographer and delivery boy. He is perhaps best known for being a fan of [[Joe Rogan]] and agreeing with every take he's ever made.

More recently '''Lycan''' has devoted his life to widening [[Destiny]]'s [[Destiny's food takes|child-like palate]]. For example, he included umami boosting chicken liver in a Bolognese sauce.

== External Links ==
* [https://x.com/LycanCooks Twitter]
* [https://www.twitch.tv/lycancooks Twitch]

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Wickedsupreme

2024-11-30T09:17:03Z

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== Nicknames ==
* Weasel Supreme
* Timekeeper Supreme (nickname from [[xQc]])<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdzjGZjD2x8 Chillin']. YouTube VOD. Retrieved 2023 Sep 12.</ref>

== External Links ==
* [https://twitch.tv/WickedSupreme Twitch]
* [https://twitter.com/WickedSupreme Twitter]
*[https://www.youtube.com/@WickedSupreme Youtube]

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Trainwreckstv

2024-11-30T07:35:32Z

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'''Tyler Niknam''', better known online as '''Trainwreckstv''', is a streamer, gamer, gambler, and proud feminist. He ran the [[Scuffed Podcast]], a popular [[Twitch]] show co-hosted by [[Devin Nash]] that [[Destiny]] appeared on numerous times.

== Memes ==
* [https://youtu.be/dEnScG_WD6I?si=uCFTu2hIG8EpfcC4 Tragedy Strikes]
* [https://youtu.be/uungwbbGipY?si=Id6B5FH4Ek1NTOk1 The Speech]
* [[Emotes|GRUG]] W (a reference to [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/cvqggj/unironically_what_does_squad_w_mean/ Squad W], a popular emote used by Trainwrecks to exemplify the disparity in how female streamers are treated vs male streamers)

== External Links ==
*[https://kick.com/trainwreckstv Kick]
*[https://twitter.com/Trainwreckstv Twitter]
*[https://www.youtube.com/@trainwreckstv YouTube]
*[https://www.instagram.com/tylerniknam/ Instagram]

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Rele

2024-11-30T07:26:49Z

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Aella

2024-11-30T06:30:36Z

Godofdoors0: Correcting small grammer mistake.

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'''Aella''' is a former sex worker and one of [[Destiny]]'s [[Orbiters]]. Showers about 37 times per year.<ref>[https://twitter.com/Aella_Girl/status/1699449010921111883?s=20]. X/Twitter.</ref>

Appeared on [[Bridges]] #11 with Aaron Silverbook. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gzuSqxZlXo Diversity On The Left Is An Illusion | AELLA & AARON SILVERBOOK | BRIDGES #11 </ref>

== External Links ==
* [https://twitch.tv/aellagirl Twitch]
* [https://twitter.com/Aella_Girl Twitter]
* [https://knowingless.com/ Website]
* [https://aella.substack.com/ Substack]

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Aella

2024-11-30T06:30:01Z

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'''Aella''' is a former sex worker and one of [[Destiny]]'s [[Orbiters]]. Showers about 37 times per year.<ref>[https://twitter.com/Aella_Girl/status/1699449010921111883?s=20]. X/Twitter.</ref>

Appeared on [[Bridges]] # 11 with Aaron Silverbook. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gzuSqxZlXo Diversity On The Left Is An Illusion | AELLA & AARON SILVERBOOK | BRIDGES #11 </ref>

== External Links ==
* [https://twitch.tv/aellagirl Twitch]
* [https://twitter.com/Aella_Girl Twitter]
* [https://knowingless.com/ Website]
* [https://aella.substack.com/ Substack]

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Bridges

2024-11-30T06:22:51Z

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ImReallyImportant

2024-11-30T06:13:29Z

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| political_alignment = Liberal
| person_age =
| qualifications =
| occupation = Livestreamer
| country = USA
| website =
| twitter = imreallyimprtnt
| instagram = imreallyimportant
| youtube = @imreallyimportant
| stock =
| awards =
}}
Imreallyimportant, also commonly referred to as IRI, is a live streamer who does political commentary. He first started streaming in June 2018 <ref>[https://www.twitch.tv/imreallyimportant Imreallyimportant's twitch]</ref>.

IRI starred in the music video [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtTR-_Klcq8 Pretty Fly (For A White Guy) by The Offspring ].

== External Links ==
*[https://twitch.tv/imreallyimportant Twitch]
*[https://twitter.com/imreallyimprtnt Twitter]
*[https://www.youtube.com/@imreallyimportant YouTube]
*[https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1033985/ IMDB]
*[https://kick.com/imreallyimportant Kick]

== References ==
<references />

[[Category:Streamers]]
[[Category:On-stream personalities]]

DGGWare

2024-11-30T02:50:26Z

Godofdoors0: Added release date.

{{DISPLAYTITLE:''DggWare''}}
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{{Template: Infobox video game
|title = DggWare
|image = Dggwareimage.jpg
|developer = [[Silkworm]]
|publisher = destinygg LLC
|platform = PC
|modes = Single-player
|released = Sep 19, 2024
|steam= https://store.steampowered.com/app/2891600/DGGWare/
}}
'''''DGGWare''''' is a collection of [[meme]]-based "microgames" in the vein of the {{wiki|Wario_(series)#WarioWare_series|WarioWare series|.}} The game centers around [[Destiny]]'s community, with the microgames revolving around prominent topics within the community, such as gaming, politics, philosophy, debate, art, culture and drama.

The game was developed by [[Silkworm]] with artwork done by [[Gemzar]].<ref>https://twitter.com/Silkworm_games/status/1837144844344397946</ref><ref>https://twitter.com/mrGemzar/status/1837146409314705479</ref>

== Stages ==

In DGGWare, players navigate through several randomized stages and boss levels. Each stage contains microgames pertaining to an event which occured on Destiny's stream or a meme within his community.
{|align=center width=100% class="wikitable"
|-
!width=15% style="background-color:#d9d9d9;font-size:125%;text-align:left"colspan="2"|Stages
|-
!width=10% style="background-color:#e0e0e0;"|In game image
!width=55% style="background-color:#e0e0e0;"|Summary
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|'' Destiny's Four Infestor Hit Squad ''
|-
|<center>[[File:Dggwarehitsquad.jpg ‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Control the squad of infestors, win by either killing the marines or surviving until the time limit runs out.
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny's four infestor hit squad [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVcpbwGZtVE video].<ref> remembertomorrow0. (2011, July 4). Destiny’s Four Infestor Hit Squad - Starcraft 2. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVcpbwGZtVE </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''The slow blade penetrates the shield''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareSlowBLade.jpg ‎‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Send the blade slowly through the shield.
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny's failure to comprehend a fight scene in the 2021 film {{wiki|Dune_(2021_film)|''Dune''|.}}<ref> https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/The_slow_blade_penetrates_the_shield </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Shroomstiny''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareShrooms.jpg ‎ ‎‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Provide the correct "grams" of shrooms to the sprite of Destiny in order to match the number above his head.
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny’s 10.5g mushroom trip he had on [[Reckful]]’s couch.<ref> https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Still_on_the_couch </ref> <ref> Destiny. (2018, November 18). My 10.5g Shrooms Trip. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbP9e5UV7qI </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Dogwarts''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareDogwarts.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Adjust the dollar amount on the dog house and click the Dog's rear end until the objective amount for the stage is met.
|-
|'''Reference''': [[Dogwarts]] is a hypothetical, where an individual has a room in their house which holds a dog. The gender, breed, and size of this dog is up to the listener. The dog is also magic; each time you have intercourse with the dog, you are given a certain amount of money. You can do this as many times as you want. The dog is willing and consenting. No one will know. The question: What is the least amount of money per fuck that you will accept to fuck the dog?
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Gnomed''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareGnomes.jpg ‎ ‎‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Whack the gnomes with a hammer before the time runs out.
|-
|'''Reference''': Chatters tendency to trick Destiny into clicking clips with a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n3pFFPSlW4 "gnomed" video].<ref> Destiny the streamer. (2018, August 18). “Destiny Gets Gnomed” Highlight Reel. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAfPBSsv8Uw </ref>
|}
|-
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Banning simulator''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareBan.jpg ‎ ‎‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Ban the chatters posting unruly messages.
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny banning people.<ref> https://rustlesearch.dev/?username=destiny&text=%21ipban&start_date=2023-09-20&end_date=2024-09-20&channel=Destinygg </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''MikefromPA vs Couch''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareMikeCouch.jpg ‎‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Punch the couch until it's health is reduced to zero.
|-
|'''Reference''': On an unknown date, Badbunny stated to her stream(with Mike within earshot) that Mike has low emotional intelligence, is an idiot, and that she is unable to hang out with him too long in person due to his mannerisms.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFSAeBFxXGA</ref> Shortly after, Badbunny reads a message from her chat saying "Mike's just dumb". Mike then responds (likely in retaliation to Badbunny’s verbal abuse) by punching the now vacant couch Badbunny had been sitting on for the majority of the video.<ref>Fairy Hanny (2020, January 22).[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ji3zhCU_4A&t=2989s "Badbunny roasting Mike from PA until he punches a sofa"]. YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcsfftwLUf0.com. Retrieved September 18, 2023</ref> <ref> https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Michael_Beyer#Mike_punches_a_couch </ref>
|}
|-
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Cropcheck'
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareCropCheck.jpg‎‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Check the crops.
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny playing [https://melvoridle.com/ Melvor idle], and chatters occasionally reminding him to "crop check".
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Worm''
|-
|<center>[[File:Dggwareworm.jpg‎‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Control the worm to eat the bugs on screen.
|-
|'''Reference''': [[Hasan]] referring to Destiny as a "gusano".<ref> des TINY. (2022, March 14). Racist Hasanbi encourages calling Cuban streamer Destiny the slur gusano. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ_EVXhqMgI </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Movie takes''
|-
|<center>[[File:Dggwaremovies.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Place the movies Destiny enjoys into the dvd player, while placing the ones he does not enjoy into the trash can.
|-
|'''Reference''': [[Destiny%27s_movie_takes|Destiny's controversial movie takes]].<ref> Destiny Clips. (2024, April 22). Destiny Defends His Most Controversial Movie Take w/ Yourmoviesucks. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayLzyBE2XGY </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Food takes''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareFoodTakes.jpg ‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Place the foods Destiny enjoys onto the plate, while placing the ones he does not enjoy into the trash can.
|-
|'''Reference''': [[Destiny%27s_food_takes|Destiny's controversial food takes]].<ref> DalibanHQ Highlights. (2022, August 24). Destiny HOT FOOD TAKES Compilation (Coffee, Italian Food, Steak, Ice Cream). YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeNllbpOqQo </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''You've made me tired''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareBedtime.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Place [[Peter Coffin]] in the crib.
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny making Coffin tired during a debate. <ref>Destiny. (2019, October 8). “You ran away from every SINGLE point” - Destiny Debates Peter Coffin ft. The Serfs. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUfWZVnkj4Q </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Dan hunting iguanas''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareDanIguana.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Shoot the iguanas.
|-
|'''Reference''': Dan's vendetta against iguanas invading his property. <ref> Dark Triad Podcast (Destiny Clips). (2021, October 16). Dan and Destiny talk about Miami, Back 4 Blood, Iguanas, Squid Games. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TERy3QmZuE </ref><ref> Dan Saltman. (2024, September 28). Dan vs Iguana. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dltWemVRcbY </ref><ref> Dan Saltman. (2024, September 28). Dan vs Racoon. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m6VvA-210w </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Destiny stimming''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareStim.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Click Destiny, wait for him to finish stimming, then click the "apologize" text bubble.
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny likes to make weird noises, once stood outside making weird noises near a sign reading "CAUTION HANDICAPPED CHILD" <ref> DalibanHQ Highlights. (2023, December 21). Destiny Stimming For One Hour (OOOO, OOOO, OOOO). YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvunO0Vpjxo </ref> <ref>{{cite
|source-name= Twitch Switch
|year= 2017
|Month= September
| day= 28
|title = (handicapstiny) Destiny, the Handicapped manchild
|retrieved-date = 2024, November 29
|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E81D1BqWbw [[Media:DestinyHandicapSign.mp4]]
}}</ref>

|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Lauren southern versus migrants''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareLaurenmigrants.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Shoot the migrants with Lauren's flare gun before the timer runs out.
|-
|'''Reference''': [[Lauren_Southern| Lauren Southern]] allegedly shooting a flare gun at a boat full of migrants. <ref> KyosanAU. (2022, January 3). “You were shooting flares at migrants!” Destiny vs Lauren Southern | Alcoholitics. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHLo4b6zUWw </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Destiny's orbit''
|-
|<center>[[File:Dggwareorbit.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Fire the planet into orbit around Destiny.
|-
|'''Reference''': [[Orbiters]], a term used to describe personality figures closely related to Destiny, in a similar vein to planets orbiting a star.
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Destiny dressup''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareClothing.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Dress up Destiny to match the clothing displayed adjacent to his sprite.
|-
|'''Reference''': Clothing Destiny has worn on stream.
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Enough tea''
|-
|<center>[[File:Dggwareboba.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Drink the tea.
|-
|'''Reference''': Prolific DGGer KKappaccinno trolling a redpiller. <ref> DGG clips. (2022, November 10). Destiny Not Enough Tea. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufHRIWgFQJw </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Hasan tiny-head grab''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareHasanHeadGrab.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Grab Hasan's tiny head while avoiding the large hands.
|-
|'''Reference''': Hasan has a relatively small head in proportion to the rest of his body.
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Blue pill vs Red pill''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareBluePillRedPill.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Grab the indicated pill.
|-
|'''Reference''': {{wiki|Red_pill_and_blue_pill|Red pill and blue pill}}.
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''It's obvious my hands are cold''
|-
|<center>[[File:Dggwarehandcold.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Put the glove on [[Vaush]]'s hand.
|-
|'''Reference''': Vaush saying his hands are cold.<ref> DGG4LYFE. (2021, December 11). Vaush has cold hands. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nel1PuR0y4g </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Wiki brain''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareWiki.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Inflate Destiny's head with wiki knowledge.
|-
|'''Reference''': The criticism Destiny receives for reading wikipedia articles.
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Don't say it''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareDontSayit.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Click the word "don't say it".
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny's refusal to say the n-word.
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Say it''
|-
|<center>[[File:Dggwaresayit.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Click the word "say it".
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny unintentionally saying the n-word<ref>[[Media: Cringerer.mp4]]</ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''The portal question''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwarePortal.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Press the highest portal down onto the block.
|-
|'''Reference''': The portal debate. <ref> Destiny. (2016, December 5). The epic and insane portal debate - Part 1. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhrVBSsiIqk </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Sneako in the cuck chair''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareCuck.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Push sneako into the cuck chair.
|-
|'''Reference''': Sneako had a poor experience watching his girlfriend have sex in front of him. <ref> https://knowyourmeme.com/editorials/guides/what-is-the-sneakos-cuck-story-the-meme-explained</ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Destiny scrolling''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareScrol.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Scroll through the texts before the timer runs out.
|-
|'''Reference''': REDACTED
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''I Didn't run''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareRunday.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Chase [[President_Sunday|President Sunday]] down and grab him.
|-
|'''Reference''': President Sunday claiming he did not run from a debate. <ref> Destiny. (2023). Leftist DERAILS Panel To Attack Destiny, Gets MAD And RAGEQUITS ft. Brianna Wu And WhickTV. In YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuprzFNb-7Y </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Gigachad Guardians''
|-
|<center>[[File:Dggwaregigachadclean.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Clean vandalism from the GIGACHAD emote.
|-
|'''Reference''': DGG defending their art on [[r/place]].
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''El gato immortal''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwarePlace.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Click the red spots on the dggL emote as they appear.
|-
|'''Reference''': DGG defending a spot containing the dggL emote on r/place. A popular Spanish-speaking streamer named Rubius confused the little guy with a cat (''gato'' in Spanish) and, after a heated exchange with very little progess being made on the part of his community, referred to the art as ''"El gato inmortal"'' which translates to ''"The immortal cat."''<ref> https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1555wt4/el_gato_immortal_the_legend/ </ref> <ref>https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/R/place </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Bridge burning''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareBridgeBurn.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Launch the molotov cocktail at the bridge to ignite it.
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny burning bridges with other content creators.
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Antagonist run''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareAntagonistrun.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Run from the stream-antagonists before they can grab Destiny.
|-
|'''Reference''': Several on-stream individuals who were involved in conflict with Destiny.
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Blubstiny''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareFishing.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Pull the fish into the boat with your fishing rod.
|-
|'''Reference''': [[LilyPichu]]'s favorite DGG [[emote]].
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Bridge building''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareBridge.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Build the bridge by placing blocks where indicated.
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny attempting to build bridges with other individuals.
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Buckets of cum''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareBuckets.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Grab the cum with [[Sam_Seder|Sam Seder's]] bucket, and then swallow it.
|-
|'''Reference''': Sam Seder confronting Destiny about his alleged "swallowing of buckets of cum".<ref> DGG clips. (2022, July 9). Sam Seder And Destiny Guzzling Buckets. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN5euZqAg6A </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Canvassing''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareCanvas.jpg ‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Knock on the door and provide the letter to the individual who answers.
|-
|'''Reference''': DGG's canvassing efforts.
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Hair trimming''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareBeardTrim.jpg ‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Trim Destiny's beard and/or hair.
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny shaving his beard/hair.
|}
|-
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''15+2''
|-
|<center>[[File:Dggware152.jpg‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Ensure the numbers displayed are 15 and 2.
|-
|'''Reference''': A reference to a particular individual claiming she had finished only twice and that Destiny had finished 15 times.
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''High note or low note''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareNotes.jpg |145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Answer if the first or second note was higher or lower than the other note.
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny was a music major, and occasionally played a similar game on stream.
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Table flipping''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwaretableFlip.jpg|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Flip the table.
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny flipping a table.<ref> SmallMemory123. (2011, July 16). Destiny flipping tables. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXq59vF4NBg </ref>
|}
|}

== Boss Stages ==
{|align=center width=100% class="wikitable"
|-
!width=15% style="background-color:#d9d9d9;font-size:125%;text-align:left"colspan="2"|Stages
|-
!width=10% style="background-color:#e0e0e0;"|In game image
!width=55% style="background-color:#e0e0e0;"|Summary
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|'' HACKERMAN ''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareHackerman.jpg‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Hack Destiny's PC.
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny's son using [[MrMouton]]'s account to subscribe to several streamers, and send a message to his father.<ref> DGG clips. (2022, October 9). Nathan Hacking MrMouton. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSKP1gvaAY </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Safe driver''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareSafeDriver.jpg‎‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Drive the care while avoiding the obstacles.
|-
|'''Reference''': Destiny claims to be a safe driver.
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Debate''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareDebate.jpg‎‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Select the correct fallacy being utilized by Destiny's debate opponent.
|-
|'''Reference''': A [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sunk-cost-fallacy-appeal-to-emotion-ad-hominem meme] and Destiny's debates.
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Dan standup''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareDanJoke.jpg‎‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Avoid the tomatoes as Dan tells a joke.
|-
|'''Reference''': Dan telling a joke about a bear walking into a bar. <ref> https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/le68z1/bear_in_a_bar_joke_for_dan/ </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''PEPE vs YEE''
|-
|<center>[[File:Dggwarepepevsyee.jpg‎‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Select either [[PEPE]] or [[YEE]], and compete in the olympics. Consisting of a sprint, javelin toss, and fight.
|-
|'''Reference''': [[YEE_vs_PEPE| YEE vs PEPE]].
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''JRPG fight''
|-
|<center>[[File:DggwareJrpg.jpg‎‎|145px]] </center>
|
{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Defeat the shroom monster.
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|'''Reference''': Destiny enjoys playing {{wiki|Video_games_in_Japan#Japanese_role-playing_games|Japanese Role-playing Games (JRPG)|.}}
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Got rhythm''
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|<center>[[File:DggwareGotRhythem.jpg|145px]] </center>
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{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Match the beat being played by either tapping spacebar or clicking the screen.
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|'''Reference''': Destiny occasionally plays the [https://www.concerthotels.com/got-rhythm got-rhythm] game.<ref> DalibanHQ Highlights. (2022, May 20). Destiny Talks About (Piano Players, Taking Got Rhythm Test). YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im6-jnZLajk </ref>
|}
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!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''RAP GOD''
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|<center>[[File:Dggwarerap.jpg|145px]] </center>
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{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Match the arrows being displayed as the reach the arrows at the top of the screen.
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|'''Reference''': Destiny rapping against MrMouton.<ref> Nick Vroom. (2019, February 5). DESTINY RAP GOD DESTROYS MRMOUTON. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJXZSgiq7e0 </ref>
|}
|-
!colspan="2"style="font-size:125%;text-align:left"|''Trivia''
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|<center>[[File:DggwareQuiz.jpg|145px]] </center>
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{|class="wikitable"
|'''Objective''': Correctly answer the questions about Destiny's stream history.
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|'''Reference''': Destiny's stream history.
|}
|}

== References ==
<references />
[[Category: Games]]

Chatters

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Godofdoors0: Put the mods/dev/employees in alphabetical order to match the rest of the page.

People who find [[Obamna]] funny and are in a deep loving one sided relationship with the streamer [[Destiny]].

'''Notable Chatters'''
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== Mods, Developers and Employees ==
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! Name !! Occupation !! Description
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| '''[[4THOT]]''' || Reddit Mod || Has bees. Is probably a big bee. Is black.
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| '''August''' || Youtube Channel Editor || Editor supreme. Unfortunately Australian.
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| '''[[Cake]]''' || Head DGG Dev || Insanely wealthy. Gives out free discord nitro.
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| '''JaydrVernanda''' || DGG Dev || Utter champion of a dev. Succeeds at doing everything correctly. He is on record saying that he, believes [[Qorantos]] deserves to be paid weekly<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-08-30T01%3A00%3A36.043Z&username=jaydrvernanda</ref>, hates women <ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-08-19T00%3A49%3A53.641Z&username=jaydrvernanda</ref>, hates black men<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-11-04T06%3A16%3A29.183Z&username=jaydrvernanda</ref>, and orders steaks well done <ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-08-30T01%3A02%3A45.567Z&username=jaydrvernanda</ref>. !jaydr 🖕 [[File:tonyW.png]] 🖕
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| '''kendolly''' || DGG mod/Former [[Twitch]] Mod || Chill, always friendly.
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| '''Lemmiwinks''' || DGG Mod/Former [[Twitch]] Mod || [[OOOO]] enjoyer.
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| '''Linusred''' || || Co-creator of Herobrine myth. Polls chat sometimes. Made the bot what it is today with his compsci skills.
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| '''[[MrMouton]]''' || Ex-Streamer || Groomed by [[Destiny]].
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| '''[[Ninou]]''' || Mod || Works once every 2 months, replaced erisann. Her job is mostly ordering Uber Eats for [[Destiny]], and managing Destinys merchandise.
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| '''Puggygups''' || [[Kick]] Mod || Controller of 7tv Emotes for [[Kick]] chat. Originally a Youtube chatter. Begged Destiny through discord, on stream, for an unban in Youtube chat, and eventually becoming a Youtube mod, now being more involved with Kick chat.
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| '''[[RightToBearArmsLOL]]''' || Mod || Always watching, HATES [[File:WEOW.png]], more powerful than [[Destiny]]. DOES IT FOR FREE [[File:LULW.png|35px]]
|-
|}

== Notable Current chatters ==

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! Name !! Symptoms of mental illness
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| '''Acegickmo''' || Number one zac jungle in world. links his own tweets in chat. Not to be confused with Acegikmo.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2020-08-01T20%3A46%3A54.000Z&username=acegickmo</ref>
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| '''Acegikmo''' || Widely-respected computer scientist, mathematician, and educator Freya Holmér.<ref>https://acegikmo.com</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/@acegikmo/featured</ref> Not to be confused with Acegickmo.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-12-25T17%3A37%3A45.805Z&username=acegikmo</ref>
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| '''Autonomy''' || Rated [[DemonMama]] a 7.5/10.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2021-07-23T19%3A00%3A26.515Z&username=autonomy</ref>
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| '''Azhron''' || Not very notable but a nice guy.
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| '''Bing''' || Well known for his high-ranking in League of Legends. Ends every message with: [[File:MMMM.png|28x28px|frameless|none]]
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| '''Calcifer64''' || Was banned under the name "Calcifer64" for nearly a year, unbanned by ninou<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2024-01-14T03%3A38%3A29.141Z&username=ninou</ref>. But currently goes under the pseudonym "Calcifer65" as they have retired the 64 name. They are a frequent attention whore hater, pizza cook, and pretty cat poster. Good friends with JoeRosing.
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| '''cane''' || Tells everyone to kill themselves and yet enjoys League. Probably the most ignored chatter<ref>[https://imgur.com/AijTq3l Cake's list of most ignored chatters as of 2020]</ref>. A moderator of many a twitch chat (only women).
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| '''Carrier''' || Known for spamming ComfyCat and chat and getting actively ignored by destiny without even getting hit with the /ignore
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| '''CipoMatador''' || Shitter who would buy you a subscription to get you permabanned. Jealous of turtle_co for having more [[File:PepoComfy.png]] naturally without spamming.
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| '''CreamOnMushroom''' || Said Russia would control Ukraine by May 2022 and had to [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/v2nvha/russia_is_going_to_have_full_control_over_ukraine/ chug some mustard] for his incorrect guess.
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| '''cybervegan''' || Actually makes emotes
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| '''DaSkrubKing''' || Originally known for making large manifesto subreddit posts in the r/destiny subreddit. Debated [[DemonMama]] and was called the "DaIncelKing". Was a semi-regular stream guest. Dating well-known chatter Pasteldallas.
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| '''Deli''' || Lost to XQC OMEGALUL [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2260323310?t=00h58m32s VOD]
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| '''Dunebug''' || Cute. No.1 backseat gamer of Destiny. Reportedly plays every game that Destiny does just so he can backseat him (purely rumour). The chatter with the most amount of bans on record (almost entirely from backseating in League of Legends). Had legendarily long arguments with nnn in offline chat. Joined on December 21, 2014.
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| '''ErisAnn''' || The original [[Ninou]], before her role received its infamous unban cooldown nerf. Ex-girlfiend of Destiny.
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| '''esteemachine''' || Coomer brain
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| '''Fancysloth''' || Winner of the "worst conductor of the year award" for two years in a row, actual Gigachad tanking all chat hate of conductors, second most hated conductor behind [[cantclosevim|vim]] because he likes waffles instead of pancakes (idk i think). He also is one of the few DGGers to have seen [[Destiny]] (pbuh) in person. Joined on 22nd April, 2013.
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| '''Figgles''' || An ancient chatter with one of the highest post counts. A common shit-poster of 4chan links.
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| '''FourCuteCats''' || Comfycat connoisseur
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| '''gay_sheriff''' || Part of the only duo moobie stream. Rarely comes around. Gets banned randomly because he is gay. Will only pick gay movies while conducting, especially lates 90s to early 2000s teen rom coms, because he is gay. For Halloween movie-night, he refused to play horror movies in favor of things like ''Hocus Pocus'' and multiple Scooby Doo Halloween specials, because he is gay.
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| '''[[User:GIGAcuckedVIRGIN|GIGAcuckedVIRGIN]]''' || Spams greentext, seemingly mentally unwell.
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| '''Gojo''' || Anime lifter. Got banned for 2 hours and deleted his account. Often posted copious amounts of nsfw links that were barely nsfw.
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| '''gpt71''' || Definitely not Tena manually writing messages.
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| '''Hamster_Hawk''' || Hates slurping
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| '''Hakhil''' || (Disgusting) Vtuber lover.
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| '''hortler_''' || has entered chat
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| '''huffdaddy''' || Loves all women
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| '''Infinity''' || Will always let you know when [[xQc]] is live. [[File:AngelThump.png]]
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| '''Igor''' || Former Emote Master. Conscripted by Russia to fight in Ukraine DaFeels 7
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| '''InvincibleWarlord''' || Long time chatter who can be unhinged
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| '''irk''' || Actual smart chatter somehow
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| '''ivx''' || ADD RAGEY. Member of the [[The Cringe Cinema Cabal| CCC]].
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| '''Jazzly_''' || Probably the only chatter to actually make a separate nsfw account because of how often their nsfw posts were hated on.
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| '''Joe3_67''' || Will "suck off" whomever gets him immortalized on the wiki [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-11-16T04%3A50%3A27.578Z&username=joe6_37]
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| '''JoeKingLee''' || Gone but not forgotten
|-
| '''JoeRosing''' || Catholic, vegan, weeb. Truly a cursed trifecta.
|-
| '''Josh''' || Famously asked Destiny the question that got him banned from [[Twitch]]. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1gdkwd8/josh/</ref><ref>[[Media:Destiny ban from twitch clip.mp4]]</ref> [[File:NOBULLY.png]]
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| '''Keah''' || Debatelord from 2020-2022. Schizo magnet.
|-
| '''[[Kelly Jean|Kelly_Jean]]''' || Best woman [https://i.imgur.com/Wi0izuB.png bingchilling]. Br*tish
|-
| '''Kimchi''' || Juicer. Lies to troll destiny.
|-
| '''kkappaccinno''' || Has had enough tea.
|-
| '''KKMD''' || The people's physician
|-
| '''Kogasa''' || Actually successful dgger. Can add up numbers really quickly. Ask math questions at your own peril
|-
| '''LaughPepe''' || Used to be the r/destiny weekly music threads guy.
|-
| '''[[LilyPichu]]''' || Red name. [[File:Blubstiny.png]]
|-
| '''[[Lycan]]''' || [[Destiny]]'s bang maid.
|-
| '''Majestic_Gopher''' || ferretlol, onemodog's best friend
|-
| '''MalekKing''' || Shining white knight. offline debatelord.
|-
| '''metaloidsword''' || When not spamming miyanohype, they go on unhinged rants. [https://i.imgur.com/mcW5miv.png self-proclaimed autist]. #1 ragepope hater.
|-
| '''Michael20''' || Ex-smash bros. professional player in Utah. 6'6 gym bro gigachad. Was "ironically" misogynist until he fell in love with turtle_co.
|-
| '''Mrka''' || has the best links. Target of many a ban by destiny.
|-
| '''Mylv''' || Posts nsfw memes and has more conservative values than the average chatter.
|-
| '''neodamiu''' || Rarely sober offline chat doomer.
|-
| '''nnn''' || Actual gigachad, probably murders women in his freetime. Had legendarily long arguments with Dunebug in offline chat. Is also extremely attractive like holy shit he is so fucking hot. Mostly known for being a chronic coomer.
|-
| '''Pasteldallas''' || A regular trans girl chatter of dgg chat and once a streamer that would stream for chat when destiny went offline and in general. Most notable for her contributions to organizing and hosting the dgg r/place discord, Being a host on the [[DGG Analyst Desk]], and having drama being copyright striked by Ana live on stream for mentioning her and being a contributor of some DGG pride emotes. Won a primecayas panel once too.
|-
|'''[[User:Picklesnathan | picklesnathan]]''' || NOT picklemancer.
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| '''Picklemancer''' || The chatter with the most amount of lines in chat that isn't the [[Bot]]. Definitely a weeb.
|-
| '''[[Pisco]]''' || Legendary lawyer in the chat, famous for hours-long arguments with Destiny and other chatters, both in chat and on voice. Owner of Piss Corporation est.1995
|-
| '''Pizza''' || never misses his nathantiny
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| '''[[User:Prismagic|Prismagic]]''' || did the [https://streamable.com/rznpvd off the penjamin] and [https://youtu.be/e-yXkJY72LU?si=UGJ-4lPuI2y3kdjW impromptu dnd] call-ins.
|-
| '''Proteus''' || God gamer. One of the few people Destiny trusts with autism game advice.
|-
| '''punished_furry''' || Don't ask about the spreadsheets monkaSMEGA
|-
| '''[[ragepope]]''' || 100% wrong 90% of the time. A very "special" person. Likes to talk about econ/finance.
|-
| '''RaiseBelow''' || Uses SOY excessively, seems to never actually enjoy anything. Theories range from brain damage to being addicting to mentions in dgg chat as the potential source of his schizo behavior.
|-
| '''[[User:RiN_LuX| RiN_LuX]]''' || Does polls in chat with [[User:RiN_LuX |some notable ones.]]"sounds like fancysloth doing a [[dylan burns]] impression." Most recent member of the [[The Cringe Cinema Cabal| CCC]].
|-
| '''Rooitier''' || IQ depends on how many times he's tagged in chat.
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| '''S0GNIK''' || 1 of the 3 black people who watch [[Destiny]], the gooch of DGG, [[DariusIRL]] oiler/head mod, your favorite chatter’s favorite chatter
|-
| '''Samlaw27''' || maybe the Most [[YEE]] addicted chatter ever! [[File:YEE.png]]
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| '''Sarcon''' || > GREEN TEXT [[File:LULW.png|28px]] 
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| '''Savant''' || ORIGINAL puzzle duder, still putting together a 10^24 piece puzzle to this day
|-
| '''ShavedDogsArse(SDA)''' || known champion of the L-spam, enjoyer of stim OOOO, hosted and organized for the Texas change my mind events.
|-
| '''skend''' || likes japanese women and ferrets, @ him with FerretLOL in chat if you see him
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| '''SlugChrist''' || A true hero. Saved nearly 1000 Africans from Malaria with his valiant effort reporting Barret's stream. The chatter you accidentally tag when you're trying to type SlugStiny
|-
| '''Smurf_Shiboli''' || An israeli MMA fighter who does [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Radio Radio]
|-
| '''SophiaCylle''' || One of the only female chatters who regularly uses DGG. Religious and friendly.
|-
| '''Spiders94''' || Old chatter, friend of Venat and legendary poster of [[File:FrankerZ.png|28px]]
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| '''stealthycatfish''' || Cuck guy that asked once called to ask Destiny for advice. Enjoys fat women.
|-
| '''StrawWaffle''' || Half of the foundation that keeps children alive in developing nations, maintains the raffle. Member of the [[The Cringe Cinema Cabal| CCC]].
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| '''Striker''' || Biggest trans fan of destiny, owner of Jazzly
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| '''SuperxAD''' || Bane of [[RightToBearArmsLOL|RTBA]], loves big boobs. Maker of Google Docs for multiple D.gger of the year awards.
|-
| '''SwanGoobler22''' || Schizo chatter. Frequent donator, especially to evade mutes.
|-
| '''Tailsdarcy''' || Old chatter, has some truly wild takes on everything.
|-
| '''[[user:tape|Tape]]''' || You've actually met me in real life
|-
| '''TayborSnapping''' || Up-and-coming Twitch streamer, gamer, and personality Taybor Pepper.<ref>https://www.twitch.tv/tayborsnapping</ref> His twitch streams have garnered county-wide attention in his hometown. Also the long snapper for the 49ers.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2024-08-13T03%3A59%3A32.774Z&username=tayborsnapping</ref>
|-
| '''TCBrady''' || Professional sadposter, destiny twitter replyguy. "tickpbrady"
|-
| '''tena''' || secret controller of tons of DGG data (do not research [[File:PepoTurkey.png]]). [https://tena.dev/ tena.dev]
|-
| '''ThatLuckyCamper''' || mortal enemy of [[cantclosevim|vim]] & [[User:Barret|barret]], Benelux kino enjoyer, mentally stable, thinks charity is good. Famously awful at picking movies chat will enjoy, like "Locke (2013)" the worst film of all time, but occasionally picks KINO films like "In the Mood for Love" and others {{citation needed}}. Currently living his best life in Asia. Member of the [[The Cringe Cinema Cabal| CCC]].
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| '''tommyK''' || hates malaria<ref>[https://www.againstmalaria.com/Fundraiser.aspx?FundraiserID=8960 Fundraiser - DGG Against Malaria]. (2023). Website. Accessed August 27 2023.</ref>, only plays 1950's Black and white french movies, actually schizophrenic as he thinks he can hear radio waves through his microphone, has a "valorant accent." Member of the [[The Cringe Cinema Cabal| CCC]].
|-
| '''Trexmaster''' || posts links, that's it
|-
| '''tng69''' || real duder who plugged himself into DGG, cant escape. So True! (A markov-chain bot.)
|-
| '''turtle_co''' || > farms green text > [[File:PepoComfy.png]] addict > loves Michael20 > Created the [[DGG Analyst Desk]] Podcast
|-
| '''uufyfuu''' || Excellent nsfw poster. Mostly deals in 2d.
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| '''UmbrellaFox''' || award winning canvasser and cool guy irl
|-
| '''Venat''' || Old chatter, friend of Spiders94 and legendary poster of [[File:FrankerZ.png|28px]]
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| '''Vindelici''' || Click his links at your own risk
|-
| '''VirgilGC''' || Half of the foundation that keeps children alive in developing nations, creator of the original raffle site. Member of the [[The Cringe Cinema Cabal| CCC]].
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| '''Voiture''' || literally lives with real turkeys, makes good emotes
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| '''voy70''' || Aware. (A markov-chain bot.)
|-
| '''vyneer''' || literally the only reason why dgg chat is still used thanks to his extension. [https://vyneer.me/ vyneer.me]
|-
| '''Waffles''' || Appears every so often at night to sadpost<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-04-05T11%3A47%3A26.246Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 4-5-23]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-03-19T08%3A58%3A47.430Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 3-19-23]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-05-02T11%3A55%3A57.983Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 5-2-23]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-11-12T08%3A31%3A33.286Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 11-22-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-11-06T11%3A32%3A21.071Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 11-6-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-11-08T11%3A27%3A42.876Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 11-11-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-09-25T11%3A25%3A24.709Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 9-25-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-10-09T07%3A17%3A38.776Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 10-9-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-06-13T04%3A59%3A33.742Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 6-13-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-05-25T07%3A47%3A06.055Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 5-25-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-05-14T10%3A21%3A40.257Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 5-14-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-04-27T10%3A24%3A52.600Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 4-27-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-02-20T11%3A33%3A44.681Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 2-20-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-02-08T01%3A52%3A33.185Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 2-8-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-01-29T10%3A55%3A16.231Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 1-19-22]</ref>. Plays the piano, sometimes on stream. She participated in the DGG discord and frequently was harassed by chatters that made her uncomfortable<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-04-28T06%3A12%3A46.275Z&username=waffles</ref><ref>https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/674725392187392030/1101389040663658507/Screenshot_20230428_000105_Discord.jpg</ref><ref>https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/674725392187392030/1101389040051302420/Screenshot_20230428_000055_Discord.jpg</ref><ref>https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/674725392187392030/1101389041213124639/Screenshot_20230428_000340_Discord.jpg?width=418&height=905</ref><ref>https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/273920762312916992/1101386812368371812/image.png?width=277&height=836</ref>. Target of at least two separate incidents resulting in the ban of the other party involved, one such case being spinboyy. She also was talked about in a sexual manner by fellow chatter Fancysloth.
|-
| '''Wannabe_Sadboi'''|| Prolific r/Destiny power user.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/user/Wannabe_Sadboi </ref> Known for his ability to produce [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/u7p2ba/nick_fuentes_irony_and_post_irony_and_why_dog/ high ] [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/ts1nox/fuck_vaush_a_minifesto_on_disappointment/ effort] [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/slqodj/the_oh_so_you_just_want_him_to_be_nicer_argument/ manifestos] relating to on-stream events.
|-
| '''Wolfsquad'''|| [[Dan|Dan's]] keeper.
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| '''Xar2''' || Chill chatter
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| '''Xmas'''|| Merry Christmas.
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| '''yannis''' || shares a brain with @zooooom
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| '''Zanzulfanten/Zanz''' || fastest memer in the west
|-
| '''zooooom''' || runs a cult within a cult, you can recognize his followers by the usage of @ when tagging people; has questionable but brave takes; height analyst mastermind. Often banned <s>un</s>fairly by our great leader
|}

== Controversial, Banned & Former Chatters ==

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Name !! Description
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| '''AnimalCracker''' || Prolific FeelsGimiMan user and [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-02-07T23%3A33%3A27.272Z&username=animalcracker greentext] [https://rustlesearch.dev/?username=animalcracker&start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2024-04-22&channel=Destinygg abuser]. [https://i.imgur.com/k4YbMbu.png FeelsGimiMan b]. [[File:FeelsGimiMan.png|28x28px|frameless|none]]
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| '''[[User:Afrobot|Afrobot]]''' || Obsessed with deepfakes. [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2019-06-09T19%3A25%3A15.000Z&username=afrobot Had a folder with 23k pictures of Pokimane]. Was temporarily banned multiple times for sharing deepfakes and was permanently banned for creating deepfakes/nude photoshops of [[Melina]].<ref>[[Media:RtbaAfrobotLog.png]]</ref> Modded for [[MrMouton]]. Engaged in weird/unruly behavior<ref>[[Media:AfrobotLilyDM.png]]</ref> including(but not limited to), posting weird deepfake shit<ref>[[Media:RtbaAfrobotDeepFakeLogs.png]]</ref> in chat, threatening nnn<ref>[[Media:AfrobotThreateningNNN.png]]</ref>, harassing Darius with alternate accounts.<ref>[[Media:AfrobotHarassingDarius.png]]</ref>
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| '''[[User:Aliscape|Aliscape]]''' || Made a manifesto about all the chatters who were mean to them.<ref>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q4SfFv86zGW-_VT4QtmRrsiInwKt4u7ZtxFZY1L8lz8/edit</ref> Was permanently banned for [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-07-16T14%3A28%3A57.894Z&username=righttobeararmslol ''stalking'' multiple chatters]. Still [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-05-28T08%3A16%3A45.689Z&username=aliscape_eth slightly active in chat], likely using multiple alts.
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| '''Atlasesque'''|| Primarily known for his involvement [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Atlasesque:_I_can_kill_you_on_sight_every_time In the great rustling of 2016].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GCSLt6Zg7A</ref> Was very unhappy<ref>[[Media:AtlasUnhappyDunebug.png]]</ref> with Dunebug as a result of the event. Three years later asked Dunebug to remove the video and threatened to get it removed by other means.<ref>[[Media:AtlasDunebugDm.png]]</ref> Was later involved in the [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Denims#TwitchCon_Drama_AKA_the_Coomer_Saga_Part_1 Denims drama] where he reportedly had unfettered access to Destiny's apartment and even hooked up with Denims on Destiny's bed and couch.
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| '''Barret|Barret/Darycypher Potentially [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Chatters#Controversial,_Banned_&_Former_Chatters:~:text=Sardine/Octo/Stegosaurus Sardine]''' || Initially known for his involvement following Vaush's cancellation(while under the alias DaryCypher), he was notably displeased when messages revealing Vaush had sent inappropriate messages to another Discord user, Poppy, were leaked.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/b6pyfq/tfw_irishladdie_fan_reacting_to_the_stream_live/</ref> Went into self-exile shortly following an [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQdxIv5pDEM intense on-stream confrontation] with Destiny regarding the same subject, but eventually returned under the alias "Barret". Tried to take down [[the Cringe Cinema Cabal]] with GoT streams, defying the dono orthodoxy. Banned for the month of August 2023 from DGG for reporting a [[Qorantos|Qorantos]] tweet.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-08-03T17%3A24%3A11.824Z&username=bot</ref> Later, he was exposed as Darycypher after a schizo analysis by chat led to the recognition of his voice by [[wickedsupreme]], after which time he was banned.<ref>[[Media:DarycypherCollage.png]]</ref><ref> https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-01-08T21%3A39%3A02.404Z&username=righttobeararmslol </ref>
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| '''Bliutwo''' || Old chatter, known for his prolific use of the laughing lizard: [[File:Hhhehhehe.png|28x28px|frameless|none]]
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| '''[[Bombjin|Bombjin]]''' || Old DGGer, most active during the 2014-2018 DGG era. At one point became involved in a weird [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/2wkjx9/weow_not_only_do_you_guys_constantly_try_to_bait/ drama] involving the grooming of a minor(BabyMiku) in chat. When Destiny was live-streaming at the Blue Microphone booth at an event, he donated with the n-word. On May 9th, 2017 Bombjin was banned for [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/6a6f79/bombjin_perm_ban/ spamming the n-word in MrMouton's twitch stream via TTS.]<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/6a6f79/bombjin_perm_ban/</ref>.He was eventually unbanned during the mass unbanning event of 2018.<ref>[[Media:BombjinUnbanningEvent.png]]</ref>
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| '''Brollebol''' || Old Chatter and shit-poster about Dota.
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| '''[[User:bulletrain|bulletrain]]''' ||
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| '''[[cantclosevim]]''' || Brazilian communist/marxist-leninist. Loves Oasis. Former conductor. Debating chatters is the source of his lifeforce. Does not like [[dariusIRL]] and created a list of chatters who embedded his stream during [[dariusIRL|darius']] streaming comeback for [[RightToBearArmsLOL|rtba]] to ban.<ref>[https://dpaste.com/5243C8J3W.txt cantclosevim's list]</ref> Closed by Destiny after unhinged comments towards [[Ukrainian Ana]].<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fl5qbnsne8qqb1.png cantclosevim Ukrainian Ana logs]</ref>
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| '''ceneza''' || One of the original devs of DGG, created much of the website.
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| '''[[User:criminal_cutie|criminal_cutie]]''' || Former DGG lolcow, originator of many<ref>[[Media:Criminalcutiepasta1.png]]</ref> copy<ref>[[Media:Criminalcutiepasta2.png]]</ref> pastas<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUgoUGncBmY</ref>.
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| '''[[User:crisp_lettuce|crisp_lettuce]]''' || Subject of many bans, former conductor and DGG streamer. Illegally conducted and was repeatedly banned for both his farming of DGG and frequent alt making.
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| '''[[Cute_sc2/James_SC]]''' || Former(possibly still current) DGG schizo/SC2 stream sniper(and hacker)<ref>https://old.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/8yqesx/na_gm_protoss_player_brandon_aka_cute_is_a/</ref>. Creator of the "Squeezing my hog to this" meme.<ref>[[Media:Cutesc2Hog.png]]</ref> At one point had almost 70 alternate accounts in dgg.<ref>[[Media:Cutesc2Alts.png]]</ref>
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| '''dawigas''' || [2018-01-06 23:49:32 UTC] dawigas: destiny before you have sex are you supposed to have a boner before the girl sees it? or are u supposed to be soft and then you take your pants off and then u become hard
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| '''Dharma''' || One of the original devs of DGG, created the original bot for DGG.
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| '''Edrito''' || Lived long enough to see himself become the villain.
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| '''essay_writer''' || 🅱️EST EMOJI 🅱️OSTER 😂7.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/?username=essay_writer&start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2023-09-05&channel=Destinygg</ref>
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| '''Exskillsme''' || The original villain-chatter, being a conservative who commonly argued with Destiny's point of views on stream, helping shape his arguments. When [[Vaush|Vaush (IrishLaddie)]] was still a chatter, the pair constantly argued, especially in on-stream arguments hosted by Destiny. Originator of the "well well well"<ref>https://streamable.com/o3p5a</ref> meme.
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| '''[[User:fcatus|fcatus]]''' || Once a frequent movie chatter, got banned <ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-11-10T21%3A09%3A33.590Z&username=fcatus</ref> late 2023, proceeded to make a large amount of alts, with all of them being listed by RTBA at one point <ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-12-27T00%3A42%3A46.906Z&username=righttobeararmslol</ref>. The most notable of which was kelly_beans <ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-12-27T00%3A56%3A04.799Z&username=righttobeararmslol</ref> which trolled Kelly_Jean and chat during a stream break {{citation needed}}.
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| '''[[User:Gertle|Gertle]]''' || got [[DariusIRL]] fired from his job.<ref>[[Media:GertleLog.png]]</ref>
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| '''FiveKings''' || Maybe the most porn-addicted chatter ever.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/?username=FiveKings&text=NSFW&start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2023-09-05&channel=Destinygg</ref>
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| '''HCommoner''' || Got unbanned<ref>[[Media:Hcomban1.png]]</ref> and immediately re-banned<ref>[[Media:Hcomban2.png]]</ref> until 2024
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| '''karl_marx1''' || Former poker spammer.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/?username=karl_marx1&start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2023-09-05&channel=Destinygg&text=%20https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pokernow.club</ref>
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| '''[[User:Kodaly|Kodaly]]''' || Schizoid ex-chatter. Was primarily responsible for the "KO names" meme, along with [[Kosidus]], because of their bad reputations. Was given a [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2020-06-15T04%3A36%3A52.000Z&username=erisann lengthy (but not permanent) ban] which was never lifted because they kept creating alt accounts to ban evade. Would show up in almost every chat that was embedded in dgg. Still an active member of [[DariusIRL]]'s community. Likely still active in dgg on an alt account.
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| '''[[Kosidus]]''' || Former power dgg user/debater<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/e0db8s/rem_was_right_dgg_is_toxic_for_real_this_time/f8dfkjz/</ref> eventually turned Hasan simp and destiny/dgg hater.<ref>[[Media:KosidusFinalLogs.png]]</ref>
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| '''[[mannekino]]''' || The original DGG movie streamer. Regularly streamed high quality movies of all kinds. Eventually stopped hanging around in DGG when he determined that Destiny had became too left.
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| '''[[McafeeAntiVirus]]'''||Banned on November 9, 2023 until 2026 for faking screenshots of Hasanabi chatters posting unhinged messages with regards to the Israel Palestine conflict.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/17rn6qs/im_entirely_convinced_that_in_a_different/</ref> <ref>https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/File:McafeeFakingLogs.png </ref>Destiny, who approached the outrageous messages with a healthy dose of skepticism, requested additional logs from the Hasan chatter’s chat history.<ref>https://vyneer.me/vods/?v=14o7MyLuYz0&t=3h40m55s</ref><ref>https://vyneer.me/vods/?v=14o7MyLuYz0&t=3h38m15s</ref> Mcafee, knowing he had doctored the image, left chat when Destiny caught wind of this behavior(Destiny recommended Mcafee off himself in a video game for his cowardice). Destiny eventually concluded that Mcafee had altered the screenshots upon seeing the actual logs of the screenshotted Hasan chatter, and seeing Mcafee had been the first chatter to post the screenshot in DGG. Initially, Destiny issued a ban on Mcafee until July 2024 and humorously called him a Mossad agent. However, after finding out that Mcafee had doctored multiple images(through photoshop)<ref>https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/File:McafeeFakingLogs2.png</ref>, Destiny extended the ban to 2026. Destiny commented how pleased he was to extend the ban, citing his hatred for Mcafee.
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| '''[[User:MoMo|MoMo]]''' || Pretended to be a child, got a 14 year old kid to pretend to be him in skype calls with other chatters, posted loli incessantly. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/2rjtu8/comment/cnh6nno/</ref> Eventually was exiled to twitch chat and would send hentai to people who did !momolewds in twitch chat {{citation needed}}. Watched [[MrMouton]] after his exile{{citation needed}}.
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| '''[[User:Nadush|Nadush]]''' || Best friends with Kodaly, both would post in public discords picking fights with RTBA while banned. Constantly banned for [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2020-03-23T08%3A49%3A38.000Z&username=righttobeararmslol being crazy]. Like Kodaly, would consistently make [https://rustlesearch.dev/?start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2023-09-05&channel=Destinygg&text=%28nadush%20%2B%20alt%29%20%7C%20%28nadush%20%2B%20evade%29%20%7C%20%28nadush%20%2B%20evading%29%20%7C%20%28nadush%20%2B%20evasion%29&username=righttobeararmslol alt accounts] to ban evade. Would [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2020-05-07T08%3A53%3A07.000Z&username=kodush talk to himself on alts]. Was an active member of [[DariusIRL]]'s community and later became IRL friends with him.
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| '''[[User:NaturalBornKilla|NaturalBornKilla]]/[[User:MostBeechly|MostBeechly]]''' || Compulsive liar who constantly argued with people. Had [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Figtpuzu3uco51.jpg multiple active alts] (NaturalBornKilla, MostBeechly, PCBRO, daxman, EgoBoosterForDestiny) and would talk about himself like they were a different person.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2020-09-15T03%3A15%3A14.000Z&username=daxman</ref><ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/ikeczt/a_new_copypasta/g3o33nw/</ref> MostBeechly got [https://imgur.com/a/lftcROo exposed] by Kogasa's schizo [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2020-09-07T03%3A52%3A25.000Z&username=mostbeechly investigation]. Often grouped together with Nadush and Kodaly but they are different people.
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| '''[[User:p0starmageddon|p0starmageddon]]''' || Likely responsible for getting NSFW banned from DGG with his spam<ref>https://streamable.com/n6stlf</ref>
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| '''[[User:pacjax|pacjax]]''' || The legendary countdown chatter. DANKMEMES in 3. DANKMEMES IN 2. DANKMEMES IN 1. DANKMEMES.
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| '''[[User:PascalLeroux|PascalLeroux]]''' || Notoriously obsessed Destiny (and [[Rem]]) anti-fan. Started off in the community as a [[Rem]]/philosophy hater and would make reddit posts/comments<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/9qmyvu/rem_hard_the_ultimate_skeptic_why_and_how_i_react/e8b0ulh/</ref> and send destiny anti-philosophy emails.<ref>https://www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=vKssQ3aQw5A&start=3785&end=4060&loop=0</ref> In early 2021 after the Georgia canvassing he became an anti-fan.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/u9k9ya/angelthump_i_found_pascal_lerouxs_new_twitter_alt/</ref> Notorious for sending schizo emails.<ref>[[Media:PascalEmail.png]]</ref>
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| '''[[Sardine|Sardine/Octo/Stegosaurus]] Potentially [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Chatters#:~:text=bed%20and%20couch.-,Barret/Darycypher,-Potentially%20Sardine Barret/Dary]'''|| Potentially a Barret/DaryCypher alt.*<ref>[[Media:DaryLogs1.png]]</ref> Sardine would have long-drawn out conversations between his alternate accounts, and would even type in kick/dgg chat at the same time using these aliases.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/?username=sardine%20%7C%20stegosaurus%20%7C%20octo%20%7C%20velociraptor%20%7C%20pterodactyl%20%7C%20anchovy&start_date=2023-07-31&end_date=2024-07-31&channel=Destinygg&text=sardine%20%7C%20stegosaurus%20%7C%20octo%20%7C%20velociraptor%20%7C%20pterodactyl%20%7C%20anchovy </ref> While there was some uncertainty(particular within the dgg moderation team) with regards to Sardine truly being a Dary alt, a recent attempt by Sardine to "out" a dgger with a doctor flair for faking their credentials eventually caused more individuals to be convinced of Sardine potentially being a Dary/Barret alt.**,***<ref> https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2024-07-31T02%3A18%3A28.159Z&username=cybervegan </ref>
* The aliases provided are not 100% certain to be Darycypher alts. While some of Dgg moderation is split on this opinion, others are more certain.<ref> https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2024-07-31T02%3A18%3A28.159Z&username=cybervegan </ref> <ref> [[Media:File:SardineDary.jpg]]</ref>
** In respect of R/Destiny moderation who removed the original post containing the manifesto, the manifesto has been omitted from the wiki.
*** The method in which Sardine chose to go about "outing" the flaired user in question would best be described as dubius. While the effort undertaken on Sardine's part in compiling the manifesto is commendable, the fact that said manifesto was likely produced entirely by Sardine(and not a group of medical and pre-medical students in DGG that would prefer to remain anonymous as claimed in the start of his manifesto) arguably undermines the credibility of the investigation as a whole. That being said, the manifesto still draws into question the following:
1. Throughout the messages, the flaired user in question claims to be both a Family Medicine Doctor and a Cardiothoracic Surgeon.
2. The flaired user claims to be in a surgery fellowship while being a Family Medicine doctor, despite not having gone through a surgery residency.
3. The flaired user showed an apparent lack of understanding regarding the types of fellowships offered to doctors in his field following the completion of a residency.
These assertions are spelled out in the manifesto, with logs between Sardine(on two alternate accounts) and the flaired user in question serving as supporting evidence. However, it is important to note that the validity of the contradictions identified relies solely on the willingness of the flaired user in question to provide personal information relating to their credentials in DGG dms. Furthermore, these questions were asked by a user in chat who is not typically involved in the verification of flairs, meaning whatever verification the flaired user in question utilized to earn their flair was not provided to Sardine.
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| '''[[Sarky|Sarky/Tomzy]]''' || Didn't like charity movie streams very much.
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| '''scyx17''' || Former dgger, would constantly shit up offline chat during EU hours<ref>[[Media:Scyxlog1.png]]</ref>. Once asked for donations to leave chat<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/29ntja/destiny_scyx17_is_now_asking_for_donations_to/</ref>. Raged in chat about the XJ9 videos, "He was heartbroken so its understandable for him to post her nudes online" and eventually came on stream to defend XJ9.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ye20GdRLOo</ref> Was not happy when they were banned for their unhinged behavior.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/4kuxjy/when_scyx17_drops_by_and_you_ban_her_instantly/</ref> Came to chat on several alts.<ref>[[Media:Scyxlog2.png]]</ref>
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| '''spinboyy''' || Compsci shitposter, is an electrical engineer<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2020-06-02T19%3A41%3A02.000Z&username=spinboyy</ref>, not a fan of Waffles<ref>https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/674725392187392030/1101389040051302420/Screenshot_20230428_000055_Discord.jpg</ref><ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-04-28T06%3A18%3A27.628Z&username=spinboyy</ref><ref>[https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/273920762312916992/1101386812368371812/image.png?width=277&height=836 </ref>. Personal friend of Cake.
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| '''[[User:Synth|Synth]]''' || Onlyfans creator and debate-bro. Exclusively debated about trans topics, only showed up to dgg when trans topics were up for debate or destiny said something mean about trans people on twitter. Constantly posted their OnlyFans and OC nsfw content of themself<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=nsfw&start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2023-09-05&channel=Destinygg&username=synth</ref> to the chagrin of many dggers. Claims to have dissociative identity disorder (DID) with an underage, 6-year-old alter ego<ref>https://imgur.com/a/jCCl0aT</ref><ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2021-09-27T20%3A46%3A00.466Z&username=synth</ref>. Turned into an anti-fan<ref>https://www.reddit.com/gallery/tpmtt8</ref><ref>https://twitter.com/princessyntheia/status/1506607587462103045</ref> and was eventually banned from dgg for being a "pedophile enabler"<ref>[[Media:SynthLog.png]]</ref>.
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| '''sztanpet''' || One of the original devs of DGG, created much of the website.
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| '''[[tyson]]''' || known loli lover.<ref>https://streamable.com/fehxo5</ref> Deleted his logs but those who know, know.
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| [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/User:SecretMan01 SecretMan01] || April 2, 2022, 5:32PM UTC || Parasocial zoomer that has all the same takes as Destiny besdies the economy (had to complain about economy because ZOOMER).
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Chatters

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Godofdoors0: Updated mod information

People who find [[Obamna]] funny and are in a deep loving one sided relationship with the streamer [[Destiny]].

'''Notable Chatters'''
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== Mods, Developers and Employees ==
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! Name !! Occupation !! Description
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| '''[[RightToBearArmsLOL]]''' || Mod || Always watching, HATES [[File:WEOW.png]], more powerful than [[Destiny]]. DOES IT FOR FREE [[File:LULW.png|35px]]
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| '''Lemmiwinks''' || DGG Mod/Former [[Twitch]] Mod || [[OOOO]] enjoyer.
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| '''[[Ninou]]''' || Mod || Works once every 2 months, replaced erisann. Her job is mostly ordering Uber Eats for [[Destiny]], and managing Destinys merchandise.
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| '''[[4THOT]]''' || Reddit Mod || Has bees. Is probably a big bee. Is black.
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| '''Linusred''' || || Co-creator of Herobrine myth. Polls chat sometimes. Made the bot what it is today with his compsci skills.
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| '''JaydrVernanda''' || DGG Dev || Utter champion of a dev. Succeeds at doing everything correctly. He is on record saying that he, believes [[Qorantos]] deserves to be paid weekly<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-08-30T01%3A00%3A36.043Z&username=jaydrvernanda</ref>, hates women <ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-08-19T00%3A49%3A53.641Z&username=jaydrvernanda</ref>, hates black men<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-11-04T06%3A16%3A29.183Z&username=jaydrvernanda</ref>, and orders steaks well done <ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-08-30T01%3A02%3A45.567Z&username=jaydrvernanda</ref>. !jaydr 🖕 [[File:tonyW.png]] 🖕
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| '''[[Cake]]''' || Head DGG Dev || Insanely wealthy. Gives out free discord nitro.
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| '''[[MrMouton]]''' || Ex-Streamer || Groomed by [[Destiny]].
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| '''kendolly''' || DGG mod/Former [[Twitch]] Mod || Chill, always friendly.
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| '''Puggygups''' || [[Kick]] Mod || Controller of 7tv Emotes for [[Kick]] chat. Originally a Youtube chatter. Begged Destiny through discord, on stream, for an unban in Youtube chat, and eventually becoming a Youtube mod, now being more involved with Kick chat.
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| '''August''' || Youtube Channel Editor || Editor supreme. Unfortunately Australian.
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== Notable Current chatters ==

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! Name !! Symptoms of mental illness
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| '''Acegickmo''' || Number one zac jungle in world. links his own tweets in chat. Not to be confused with Acegikmo.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2020-08-01T20%3A46%3A54.000Z&username=acegickmo</ref>
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| '''Acegikmo''' || Widely-respected computer scientist, mathematician, and educator Freya Holmér.<ref>https://acegikmo.com</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/@acegikmo/featured</ref> Not to be confused with Acegickmo.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-12-25T17%3A37%3A45.805Z&username=acegikmo</ref>
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| '''Autonomy''' || Rated [[DemonMama]] a 7.5/10.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2021-07-23T19%3A00%3A26.515Z&username=autonomy</ref>
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| '''Azhron''' || Not very notable but a nice guy.
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| '''Bing''' || Well known for his high-ranking in League of Legends. Ends every message with: [[File:MMMM.png|28x28px|frameless|none]]
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| '''Calcifer64''' || Was banned under the name "Calcifer64" for nearly a year, unbanned by ninou<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2024-01-14T03%3A38%3A29.141Z&username=ninou</ref>. But currently goes under the pseudonym "Calcifer65" as they have retired the 64 name. They are a frequent attention whore hater, pizza cook, and pretty cat poster. Good friends with JoeRosing.
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| '''cane''' || Tells everyone to kill themselves and yet enjoys League. Probably the most ignored chatter<ref>[https://imgur.com/AijTq3l Cake's list of most ignored chatters as of 2020]</ref>. A moderator of many a twitch chat (only women).
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| '''Carrier''' || Known for spamming ComfyCat and chat and getting actively ignored by destiny without even getting hit with the /ignore
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| '''CipoMatador''' || Shitter who would buy you a subscription to get you permabanned. Jealous of turtle_co for having more [[File:PepoComfy.png]] naturally without spamming.
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| '''CreamOnMushroom''' || Said Russia would control Ukraine by May 2022 and had to [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/v2nvha/russia_is_going_to_have_full_control_over_ukraine/ chug some mustard] for his incorrect guess.
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| '''cybervegan''' || Actually makes emotes
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| '''DaSkrubKing''' || Originally known for making large manifesto subreddit posts in the r/destiny subreddit. Debated [[DemonMama]] and was called the "DaIncelKing". Was a semi-regular stream guest. Dating well-known chatter Pasteldallas.
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| '''Deli''' || Lost to XQC OMEGALUL [https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2260323310?t=00h58m32s VOD]
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| '''Dunebug''' || Cute. No.1 backseat gamer of Destiny. Reportedly plays every game that Destiny does just so he can backseat him (purely rumour). The chatter with the most amount of bans on record (almost entirely from backseating in League of Legends). Had legendarily long arguments with nnn in offline chat. Joined on December 21, 2014.
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| '''ErisAnn''' || The original [[Ninou]], before her role received its infamous unban cooldown nerf. Ex-girlfiend of Destiny.
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| '''esteemachine''' || Coomer brain
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| '''Fancysloth''' || Winner of the "worst conductor of the year award" for two years in a row, actual Gigachad tanking all chat hate of conductors, second most hated conductor behind [[cantclosevim|vim]] because he likes waffles instead of pancakes (idk i think). He also is one of the few DGGers to have seen [[Destiny]] (pbuh) in person. Joined on 22nd April, 2013.
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| '''Figgles''' || An ancient chatter with one of the highest post counts. A common shit-poster of 4chan links.
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| '''FourCuteCats''' || Comfycat connoisseur
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| '''gay_sheriff''' || Part of the only duo moobie stream. Rarely comes around. Gets banned randomly because he is gay. Will only pick gay movies while conducting, especially lates 90s to early 2000s teen rom coms, because he is gay. For Halloween movie-night, he refused to play horror movies in favor of things like ''Hocus Pocus'' and multiple Scooby Doo Halloween specials, because he is gay.
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| '''[[User:GIGAcuckedVIRGIN|GIGAcuckedVIRGIN]]''' || Spams greentext, seemingly mentally unwell.
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| '''Gojo''' || Anime lifter. Got banned for 2 hours and deleted his account. Often posted copious amounts of nsfw links that were barely nsfw.
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| '''gpt71''' || Definitely not Tena manually writing messages.
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| '''Hamster_Hawk''' || Hates slurping
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| '''Hakhil''' || (Disgusting) Vtuber lover.
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| '''hortler_''' || has entered chat
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| '''huffdaddy''' || Loves all women
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| '''Infinity''' || Will always let you know when [[xQc]] is live. [[File:AngelThump.png]]
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| '''Igor''' || Former Emote Master. Conscripted by Russia to fight in Ukraine DaFeels 7
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| '''InvincibleWarlord''' || Long time chatter who can be unhinged
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| '''irk''' || Actual smart chatter somehow
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| '''ivx''' || ADD RAGEY. Member of the [[The Cringe Cinema Cabal| CCC]].
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| '''Jazzly_''' || Probably the only chatter to actually make a separate nsfw account because of how often their nsfw posts were hated on.
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| '''Joe3_67''' || Will "suck off" whomever gets him immortalized on the wiki [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-11-16T04%3A50%3A27.578Z&username=joe6_37]
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| '''JoeKingLee''' || Gone but not forgotten
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| '''JoeRosing''' || Catholic, vegan, weeb. Truly a cursed trifecta.
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| '''Josh''' || Famously asked Destiny the question that got him banned from [[Twitch]]. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1gdkwd8/josh/</ref><ref>[[Media:Destiny ban from twitch clip.mp4]]</ref> [[File:NOBULLY.png]]
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| '''Keah''' || Debatelord from 2020-2022. Schizo magnet.
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| '''[[Kelly Jean|Kelly_Jean]]''' || Best woman [https://i.imgur.com/Wi0izuB.png bingchilling]. Br*tish
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| '''Kimchi''' || Juicer. Lies to troll destiny.
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| '''kkappaccinno''' || Has had enough tea.
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| '''KKMD''' || The people's physician
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| '''Kogasa''' || Actually successful dgger. Can add up numbers really quickly. Ask math questions at your own peril
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| '''LaughPepe''' || Used to be the r/destiny weekly music threads guy.
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| '''[[LilyPichu]]''' || Red name. [[File:Blubstiny.png]]
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| '''[[Lycan]]''' || [[Destiny]]'s bang maid.
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| '''Majestic_Gopher''' || ferretlol, onemodog's best friend
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| '''MalekKing''' || Shining white knight. offline debatelord.
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| '''metaloidsword''' || When not spamming miyanohype, they go on unhinged rants. [https://i.imgur.com/mcW5miv.png self-proclaimed autist]. #1 ragepope hater.
|-
| '''Michael20''' || Ex-smash bros. professional player in Utah. 6'6 gym bro gigachad. Was "ironically" misogynist until he fell in love with turtle_co.
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| '''Mrka''' || has the best links. Target of many a ban by destiny.
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| '''Mylv''' || Posts nsfw memes and has more conservative values than the average chatter.
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| '''neodamiu''' || Rarely sober offline chat doomer.
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| '''nnn''' || Actual gigachad, probably murders women in his freetime. Had legendarily long arguments with Dunebug in offline chat. Is also extremely attractive like holy shit he is so fucking hot. Mostly known for being a chronic coomer.
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| '''Pasteldallas''' || A regular trans girl chatter of dgg chat and once a streamer that would stream for chat when destiny went offline and in general. Most notable for her contributions to organizing and hosting the dgg r/place discord, Being a host on the [[DGG Analyst Desk]], and having drama being copyright striked by Ana live on stream for mentioning her and being a contributor of some DGG pride emotes. Won a primecayas panel once too.
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|'''[[User:Picklesnathan | picklesnathan]]''' || NOT picklemancer.
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| '''Picklemancer''' || The chatter with the most amount of lines in chat that isn't the [[Bot]]. Definitely a weeb.
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| '''[[Pisco]]''' || Legendary lawyer in the chat, famous for hours-long arguments with Destiny and other chatters, both in chat and on voice. Owner of Piss Corporation est.1995
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| '''Pizza''' || never misses his nathantiny
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| '''[[User:Prismagic|Prismagic]]''' || did the [https://streamable.com/rznpvd off the penjamin] and [https://youtu.be/e-yXkJY72LU?si=UGJ-4lPuI2y3kdjW impromptu dnd] call-ins.
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| '''Proteus''' || God gamer. One of the few people Destiny trusts with autism game advice.
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| '''punished_furry''' || Don't ask about the spreadsheets monkaSMEGA
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| '''[[ragepope]]''' || 100% wrong 90% of the time. A very "special" person. Likes to talk about econ/finance.
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| '''RaiseBelow''' || Uses SOY excessively, seems to never actually enjoy anything. Theories range from brain damage to being addicting to mentions in dgg chat as the potential source of his schizo behavior.
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| '''[[User:RiN_LuX| RiN_LuX]]''' || Does polls in chat with [[User:RiN_LuX |some notable ones.]]"sounds like fancysloth doing a [[dylan burns]] impression." Most recent member of the [[The Cringe Cinema Cabal| CCC]].
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| '''Rooitier''' || IQ depends on how many times he's tagged in chat.
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| '''S0GNIK''' || 1 of the 3 black people who watch [[Destiny]], the gooch of DGG, [[DariusIRL]] oiler/head mod, your favorite chatter’s favorite chatter
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| '''Samlaw27''' || maybe the Most [[YEE]] addicted chatter ever! [[File:YEE.png]]
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| '''Sarcon''' || > GREEN TEXT [[File:LULW.png|28px]] 
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| '''Savant''' || ORIGINAL puzzle duder, still putting together a 10^24 piece puzzle to this day
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| '''ShavedDogsArse(SDA)''' || known champion of the L-spam, enjoyer of stim OOOO, hosted and organized for the Texas change my mind events.
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| '''skend''' || likes japanese women and ferrets, @ him with FerretLOL in chat if you see him
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| '''SlugChrist''' || A true hero. Saved nearly 1000 Africans from Malaria with his valiant effort reporting Barret's stream. The chatter you accidentally tag when you're trying to type SlugStiny
|-
| '''Smurf_Shiboli''' || An israeli MMA fighter who does [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Radio Radio]
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| '''SophiaCylle''' || One of the only female chatters who regularly uses DGG. Religious and friendly.
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| '''Spiders94''' || Old chatter, friend of Venat and legendary poster of [[File:FrankerZ.png|28px]]
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| '''stealthycatfish''' || Cuck guy that asked once called to ask Destiny for advice. Enjoys fat women.
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| '''StrawWaffle''' || Half of the foundation that keeps children alive in developing nations, maintains the raffle. Member of the [[The Cringe Cinema Cabal| CCC]].
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| '''Striker''' || Biggest trans fan of destiny, owner of Jazzly
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| '''SuperxAD''' || Bane of [[RightToBearArmsLOL|RTBA]], loves big boobs. Maker of Google Docs for multiple D.gger of the year awards.
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| '''SwanGoobler22''' || Schizo chatter. Frequent donator, especially to evade mutes.
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| '''Tailsdarcy''' || Old chatter, has some truly wild takes on everything.
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| '''[[user:tape|Tape]]''' || You've actually met me in real life
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| '''TayborSnapping''' || Up-and-coming Twitch streamer, gamer, and personality Taybor Pepper.<ref>https://www.twitch.tv/tayborsnapping</ref> His twitch streams have garnered county-wide attention in his hometown. Also the long snapper for the 49ers.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2024-08-13T03%3A59%3A32.774Z&username=tayborsnapping</ref>
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| '''TCBrady''' || Professional sadposter, destiny twitter replyguy. "tickpbrady"
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| '''tena''' || secret controller of tons of DGG data (do not research [[File:PepoTurkey.png]]). [https://tena.dev/ tena.dev]
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| '''ThatLuckyCamper''' || mortal enemy of [[cantclosevim|vim]] & [[User:Barret|barret]], Benelux kino enjoyer, mentally stable, thinks charity is good. Famously awful at picking movies chat will enjoy, like "Locke (2013)" the worst film of all time, but occasionally picks KINO films like "In the Mood for Love" and others {{citation needed}}. Currently living his best life in Asia. Member of the [[The Cringe Cinema Cabal| CCC]].
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| '''tommyK''' || hates malaria<ref>[https://www.againstmalaria.com/Fundraiser.aspx?FundraiserID=8960 Fundraiser - DGG Against Malaria]. (2023). Website. Accessed August 27 2023.</ref>, only plays 1950's Black and white french movies, actually schizophrenic as he thinks he can hear radio waves through his microphone, has a "valorant accent." Member of the [[The Cringe Cinema Cabal| CCC]].
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| '''Trexmaster''' || posts links, that's it
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| '''tng69''' || real duder who plugged himself into DGG, cant escape. So True! (A markov-chain bot.)
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| '''turtle_co''' || > farms green text > [[File:PepoComfy.png]] addict > loves Michael20 > Created the [[DGG Analyst Desk]] Podcast
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| '''uufyfuu''' || Excellent nsfw poster. Mostly deals in 2d.
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| '''UmbrellaFox''' || award winning canvasser and cool guy irl
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| '''Venat''' || Old chatter, friend of Spiders94 and legendary poster of [[File:FrankerZ.png|28px]]
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| '''Vindelici''' || Click his links at your own risk
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| '''VirgilGC''' || Half of the foundation that keeps children alive in developing nations, creator of the original raffle site. Member of the [[The Cringe Cinema Cabal| CCC]].
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| '''Voiture''' || literally lives with real turkeys, makes good emotes
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| '''voy70''' || Aware. (A markov-chain bot.)
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| '''vyneer''' || literally the only reason why dgg chat is still used thanks to his extension. [https://vyneer.me/ vyneer.me]
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| '''Waffles''' || Appears every so often at night to sadpost<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-04-05T11%3A47%3A26.246Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 4-5-23]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-03-19T08%3A58%3A47.430Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 3-19-23]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-05-02T11%3A55%3A57.983Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 5-2-23]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-11-12T08%3A31%3A33.286Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 11-22-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-11-06T11%3A32%3A21.071Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 11-6-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-11-08T11%3A27%3A42.876Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 11-11-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-09-25T11%3A25%3A24.709Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 9-25-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-10-09T07%3A17%3A38.776Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 10-9-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-06-13T04%3A59%3A33.742Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 6-13-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-05-25T07%3A47%3A06.055Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 5-25-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-05-14T10%3A21%3A40.257Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 5-14-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-04-27T10%3A24%3A52.600Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 4-27-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-02-20T11%3A33%3A44.681Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 2-20-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-02-08T01%3A52%3A33.185Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 2-8-22]</ref><ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-01-29T10%3A55%3A16.231Z&username=waffles waffles says she's sad on 1-19-22]</ref>. Plays the piano, sometimes on stream. She participated in the DGG discord and frequently was harassed by chatters that made her uncomfortable<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-04-28T06%3A12%3A46.275Z&username=waffles</ref><ref>https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/674725392187392030/1101389040663658507/Screenshot_20230428_000105_Discord.jpg</ref><ref>https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/674725392187392030/1101389040051302420/Screenshot_20230428_000055_Discord.jpg</ref><ref>https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/674725392187392030/1101389041213124639/Screenshot_20230428_000340_Discord.jpg?width=418&height=905</ref><ref>https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/273920762312916992/1101386812368371812/image.png?width=277&height=836</ref>. Target of at least two separate incidents resulting in the ban of the other party involved, one such case being spinboyy. She also was talked about in a sexual manner by fellow chatter Fancysloth.
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| '''Wannabe_Sadboi'''|| Prolific r/Destiny power user.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/user/Wannabe_Sadboi </ref> Known for his ability to produce [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/u7p2ba/nick_fuentes_irony_and_post_irony_and_why_dog/ high ] [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/ts1nox/fuck_vaush_a_minifesto_on_disappointment/ effort] [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/slqodj/the_oh_so_you_just_want_him_to_be_nicer_argument/ manifestos] relating to on-stream events.
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| '''Wolfsquad'''|| [[Dan|Dan's]] keeper.
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| '''Xar2''' || Chill chatter
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| '''Xmas'''|| Merry Christmas.
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| '''yannis''' || shares a brain with @zooooom
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| '''Zanzulfanten/Zanz''' || fastest memer in the west
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| '''zooooom''' || runs a cult within a cult, you can recognize his followers by the usage of @ when tagging people; has questionable but brave takes; height analyst mastermind. Often banned <s>un</s>fairly by our great leader
|}

== Controversial, Banned & Former Chatters ==

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! Name !! Description
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| '''AnimalCracker''' || Prolific FeelsGimiMan user and [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-02-07T23%3A33%3A27.272Z&username=animalcracker greentext] [https://rustlesearch.dev/?username=animalcracker&start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2024-04-22&channel=Destinygg abuser]. [https://i.imgur.com/k4YbMbu.png FeelsGimiMan b]. [[File:FeelsGimiMan.png|28x28px|frameless|none]]
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| '''[[User:Afrobot|Afrobot]]''' || Obsessed with deepfakes. [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2019-06-09T19%3A25%3A15.000Z&username=afrobot Had a folder with 23k pictures of Pokimane]. Was temporarily banned multiple times for sharing deepfakes and was permanently banned for creating deepfakes/nude photoshops of [[Melina]].<ref>[[Media:RtbaAfrobotLog.png]]</ref> Modded for [[MrMouton]]. Engaged in weird/unruly behavior<ref>[[Media:AfrobotLilyDM.png]]</ref> including(but not limited to), posting weird deepfake shit<ref>[[Media:RtbaAfrobotDeepFakeLogs.png]]</ref> in chat, threatening nnn<ref>[[Media:AfrobotThreateningNNN.png]]</ref>, harassing Darius with alternate accounts.<ref>[[Media:AfrobotHarassingDarius.png]]</ref>
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| '''[[User:Aliscape|Aliscape]]''' || Made a manifesto about all the chatters who were mean to them.<ref>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Q4SfFv86zGW-_VT4QtmRrsiInwKt4u7ZtxFZY1L8lz8/edit</ref> Was permanently banned for [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2022-07-16T14%3A28%3A57.894Z&username=righttobeararmslol ''stalking'' multiple chatters]. Still [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-05-28T08%3A16%3A45.689Z&username=aliscape_eth slightly active in chat], likely using multiple alts.
|-
|-
| '''Atlasesque'''|| Primarily known for his involvement [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Atlasesque:_I_can_kill_you_on_sight_every_time In the great rustling of 2016].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GCSLt6Zg7A</ref> Was very unhappy<ref>[[Media:AtlasUnhappyDunebug.png]]</ref> with Dunebug as a result of the event. Three years later asked Dunebug to remove the video and threatened to get it removed by other means.<ref>[[Media:AtlasDunebugDm.png]]</ref> Was later involved in the [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Denims#TwitchCon_Drama_AKA_the_Coomer_Saga_Part_1 Denims drama] where he reportedly had unfettered access to Destiny's apartment and even hooked up with Denims on Destiny's bed and couch.
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| '''Barret|Barret/Darycypher Potentially [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Chatters#Controversial,_Banned_&_Former_Chatters:~:text=Sardine/Octo/Stegosaurus Sardine]''' || Initially known for his involvement following Vaush's cancellation(while under the alias DaryCypher), he was notably displeased when messages revealing Vaush had sent inappropriate messages to another Discord user, Poppy, were leaked.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/b6pyfq/tfw_irishladdie_fan_reacting_to_the_stream_live/</ref> Went into self-exile shortly following an [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQdxIv5pDEM intense on-stream confrontation] with Destiny regarding the same subject, but eventually returned under the alias "Barret". Tried to take down [[the Cringe Cinema Cabal]] with GoT streams, defying the dono orthodoxy. Banned for the month of August 2023 from DGG for reporting a [[Qorantos|Qorantos]] tweet.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-08-03T17%3A24%3A11.824Z&username=bot</ref> Later, he was exposed as Darycypher after a schizo analysis by chat led to the recognition of his voice by [[wickedsupreme]], after which time he was banned.<ref>[[Media:DarycypherCollage.png]]</ref><ref> https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-01-08T21%3A39%3A02.404Z&username=righttobeararmslol </ref>
|-
| '''Bliutwo''' || Old chatter, known for his prolific use of the laughing lizard: [[File:Hhhehhehe.png|28x28px|frameless|none]]
|-
| '''[[Bombjin|Bombjin]]''' || Old DGGer, most active during the 2014-2018 DGG era. At one point became involved in a weird [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/2wkjx9/weow_not_only_do_you_guys_constantly_try_to_bait/ drama] involving the grooming of a minor(BabyMiku) in chat. When Destiny was live-streaming at the Blue Microphone booth at an event, he donated with the n-word. On May 9th, 2017 Bombjin was banned for [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/6a6f79/bombjin_perm_ban/ spamming the n-word in MrMouton's twitch stream via TTS.]<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/6a6f79/bombjin_perm_ban/</ref>.He was eventually unbanned during the mass unbanning event of 2018.<ref>[[Media:BombjinUnbanningEvent.png]]</ref>
|-
| '''Brollebol''' || Old Chatter and shit-poster about Dota.
|-
| '''[[User:bulletrain|bulletrain]]''' ||
|-
| '''[[cantclosevim]]''' || Brazilian communist/marxist-leninist. Loves Oasis. Former conductor. Debating chatters is the source of his lifeforce. Does not like [[dariusIRL]] and created a list of chatters who embedded his stream during [[dariusIRL|darius']] streaming comeback for [[RightToBearArmsLOL|rtba]] to ban.<ref>[https://dpaste.com/5243C8J3W.txt cantclosevim's list]</ref> Closed by Destiny after unhinged comments towards [[Ukrainian Ana]].<ref>[https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fl5qbnsne8qqb1.png cantclosevim Ukrainian Ana logs]</ref>
|-
| '''ceneza''' || One of the original devs of DGG, created much of the website.
|-
| '''[[User:criminal_cutie|criminal_cutie]]''' || Former DGG lolcow, originator of many<ref>[[Media:Criminalcutiepasta1.png]]</ref> copy<ref>[[Media:Criminalcutiepasta2.png]]</ref> pastas<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUgoUGncBmY</ref>.
|-
| '''[[User:crisp_lettuce|crisp_lettuce]]''' || Subject of many bans, former conductor and DGG streamer. Illegally conducted and was repeatedly banned for both his farming of DGG and frequent alt making.
|-
| '''[[Cute_sc2/James_SC]]''' || Former(possibly still current) DGG schizo/SC2 stream sniper(and hacker)<ref>https://old.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/8yqesx/na_gm_protoss_player_brandon_aka_cute_is_a/</ref>. Creator of the "Squeezing my hog to this" meme.<ref>[[Media:Cutesc2Hog.png]]</ref> At one point had almost 70 alternate accounts in dgg.<ref>[[Media:Cutesc2Alts.png]]</ref>
|-
| '''dawigas''' || [2018-01-06 23:49:32 UTC] dawigas: destiny before you have sex are you supposed to have a boner before the girl sees it? or are u supposed to be soft and then you take your pants off and then u become hard
|-
| '''Dharma''' || One of the original devs of DGG, created the original bot for DGG.
|-
| '''Edrito''' || Lived long enough to see himself become the villain.
|-
| '''essay_writer''' || 🅱️EST EMOJI 🅱️OSTER 😂7.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/?username=essay_writer&start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2023-09-05&channel=Destinygg</ref>
|-
| '''Exskillsme''' || The original villain-chatter, being a conservative who commonly argued with Destiny's point of views on stream, helping shape his arguments. When [[Vaush|Vaush (IrishLaddie)]] was still a chatter, the pair constantly argued, especially in on-stream arguments hosted by Destiny. Originator of the "well well well"<ref>https://streamable.com/o3p5a</ref> meme.
|-
| '''[[User:fcatus|fcatus]]''' || Once a frequent movie chatter, got banned <ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-11-10T21%3A09%3A33.590Z&username=fcatus</ref> late 2023, proceeded to make a large amount of alts, with all of them being listed by RTBA at one point <ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-12-27T00%3A42%3A46.906Z&username=righttobeararmslol</ref>. The most notable of which was kelly_beans <ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-12-27T00%3A56%3A04.799Z&username=righttobeararmslol</ref> which trolled Kelly_Jean and chat during a stream break {{citation needed}}.
|-
| '''[[User:Gertle|Gertle]]''' || got [[DariusIRL]] fired from his job.<ref>[[Media:GertleLog.png]]</ref>
|-
| '''FiveKings''' || Maybe the most porn-addicted chatter ever.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/?username=FiveKings&text=NSFW&start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2023-09-05&channel=Destinygg</ref>
|-
| '''HCommoner''' || Got unbanned<ref>[[Media:Hcomban1.png]]</ref> and immediately re-banned<ref>[[Media:Hcomban2.png]]</ref> until 2024
|-
| '''karl_marx1''' || Former poker spammer.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/?username=karl_marx1&start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2023-09-05&channel=Destinygg&text=%20https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pokernow.club</ref>
|-
| '''[[User:Kodaly|Kodaly]]''' || Schizoid ex-chatter. Was primarily responsible for the "KO names" meme, along with [[Kosidus]], because of their bad reputations. Was given a [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2020-06-15T04%3A36%3A52.000Z&username=erisann lengthy (but not permanent) ban] which was never lifted because they kept creating alt accounts to ban evade. Would show up in almost every chat that was embedded in dgg. Still an active member of [[DariusIRL]]'s community. Likely still active in dgg on an alt account.
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| '''[[Kosidus]]''' || Former power dgg user/debater<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/e0db8s/rem_was_right_dgg_is_toxic_for_real_this_time/f8dfkjz/</ref> eventually turned Hasan simp and destiny/dgg hater.<ref>[[Media:KosidusFinalLogs.png]]</ref>
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| '''[[mannekino]]''' || The original DGG movie streamer. Regularly streamed high quality movies of all kinds. Eventually stopped hanging around in DGG when he determined that Destiny had became too left.
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| '''[[McafeeAntiVirus]]'''||Banned on November 9, 2023 until 2026 for faking screenshots of Hasanabi chatters posting unhinged messages with regards to the Israel Palestine conflict.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/17rn6qs/im_entirely_convinced_that_in_a_different/</ref> <ref>https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/File:McafeeFakingLogs.png </ref>Destiny, who approached the outrageous messages with a healthy dose of skepticism, requested additional logs from the Hasan chatter’s chat history.<ref>https://vyneer.me/vods/?v=14o7MyLuYz0&t=3h40m55s</ref><ref>https://vyneer.me/vods/?v=14o7MyLuYz0&t=3h38m15s</ref> Mcafee, knowing he had doctored the image, left chat when Destiny caught wind of this behavior(Destiny recommended Mcafee off himself in a video game for his cowardice). Destiny eventually concluded that Mcafee had altered the screenshots upon seeing the actual logs of the screenshotted Hasan chatter, and seeing Mcafee had been the first chatter to post the screenshot in DGG. Initially, Destiny issued a ban on Mcafee until July 2024 and humorously called him a Mossad agent. However, after finding out that Mcafee had doctored multiple images(through photoshop)<ref>https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/File:McafeeFakingLogs2.png</ref>, Destiny extended the ban to 2026. Destiny commented how pleased he was to extend the ban, citing his hatred for Mcafee.
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| '''[[User:MoMo|MoMo]]''' || Pretended to be a child, got a 14 year old kid to pretend to be him in skype calls with other chatters, posted loli incessantly. <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/2rjtu8/comment/cnh6nno/</ref> Eventually was exiled to twitch chat and would send hentai to people who did !momolewds in twitch chat {{citation needed}}. Watched [[MrMouton]] after his exile{{citation needed}}.
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| '''[[User:Nadush|Nadush]]''' || Best friends with Kodaly, both would post in public discords picking fights with RTBA while banned. Constantly banned for [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2020-03-23T08%3A49%3A38.000Z&username=righttobeararmslol being crazy]. Like Kodaly, would consistently make [https://rustlesearch.dev/?start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2023-09-05&channel=Destinygg&text=%28nadush%20%2B%20alt%29%20%7C%20%28nadush%20%2B%20evade%29%20%7C%20%28nadush%20%2B%20evading%29%20%7C%20%28nadush%20%2B%20evasion%29&username=righttobeararmslol alt accounts] to ban evade. Would [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2020-05-07T08%3A53%3A07.000Z&username=kodush talk to himself on alts]. Was an active member of [[DariusIRL]]'s community and later became IRL friends with him.
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| '''[[User:NaturalBornKilla|NaturalBornKilla]]/[[User:MostBeechly|MostBeechly]]''' || Compulsive liar who constantly argued with people. Had [https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Figtpuzu3uco51.jpg multiple active alts] (NaturalBornKilla, MostBeechly, PCBRO, daxman, EgoBoosterForDestiny) and would talk about himself like they were a different person.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2020-09-15T03%3A15%3A14.000Z&username=daxman</ref><ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/ikeczt/a_new_copypasta/g3o33nw/</ref> MostBeechly got [https://imgur.com/a/lftcROo exposed] by Kogasa's schizo [https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2020-09-07T03%3A52%3A25.000Z&username=mostbeechly investigation]. Often grouped together with Nadush and Kodaly but they are different people.
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| '''[[User:p0starmageddon|p0starmageddon]]''' || Likely responsible for getting NSFW banned from DGG with his spam<ref>https://streamable.com/n6stlf</ref>
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| '''[[User:pacjax|pacjax]]''' || The legendary countdown chatter. DANKMEMES in 3. DANKMEMES IN 2. DANKMEMES IN 1. DANKMEMES.
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| '''[[User:PascalLeroux|PascalLeroux]]''' || Notoriously obsessed Destiny (and [[Rem]]) anti-fan. Started off in the community as a [[Rem]]/philosophy hater and would make reddit posts/comments<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/9qmyvu/rem_hard_the_ultimate_skeptic_why_and_how_i_react/e8b0ulh/</ref> and send destiny anti-philosophy emails.<ref>https://www.youtubetrimmer.com/view/?v=vKssQ3aQw5A&start=3785&end=4060&loop=0</ref> In early 2021 after the Georgia canvassing he became an anti-fan.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/u9k9ya/angelthump_i_found_pascal_lerouxs_new_twitter_alt/</ref> Notorious for sending schizo emails.<ref>[[Media:PascalEmail.png]]</ref>
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| '''[[Sardine|Sardine/Octo/Stegosaurus]] Potentially [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Chatters#:~:text=bed%20and%20couch.-,Barret/Darycypher,-Potentially%20Sardine Barret/Dary]'''|| Potentially a Barret/DaryCypher alt.*<ref>[[Media:DaryLogs1.png]]</ref> Sardine would have long-drawn out conversations between his alternate accounts, and would even type in kick/dgg chat at the same time using these aliases.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/?username=sardine%20%7C%20stegosaurus%20%7C%20octo%20%7C%20velociraptor%20%7C%20pterodactyl%20%7C%20anchovy&start_date=2023-07-31&end_date=2024-07-31&channel=Destinygg&text=sardine%20%7C%20stegosaurus%20%7C%20octo%20%7C%20velociraptor%20%7C%20pterodactyl%20%7C%20anchovy </ref> While there was some uncertainty(particular within the dgg moderation team) with regards to Sardine truly being a Dary alt, a recent attempt by Sardine to "out" a dgger with a doctor flair for faking their credentials eventually caused more individuals to be convinced of Sardine potentially being a Dary/Barret alt.**,***<ref> https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2024-07-31T02%3A18%3A28.159Z&username=cybervegan </ref>
* The aliases provided are not 100% certain to be Darycypher alts. While some of Dgg moderation is split on this opinion, others are more certain.<ref> https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2024-07-31T02%3A18%3A28.159Z&username=cybervegan </ref> <ref> [[Media:File:SardineDary.jpg]]</ref>
** In respect of R/Destiny moderation who removed the original post containing the manifesto, the manifesto has been omitted from the wiki.
*** The method in which Sardine chose to go about "outing" the flaired user in question would best be described as dubius. While the effort undertaken on Sardine's part in compiling the manifesto is commendable, the fact that said manifesto was likely produced entirely by Sardine(and not a group of medical and pre-medical students in DGG that would prefer to remain anonymous as claimed in the start of his manifesto) arguably undermines the credibility of the investigation as a whole. That being said, the manifesto still draws into question the following:
1. Throughout the messages, the flaired user in question claims to be both a Family Medicine Doctor and a Cardiothoracic Surgeon.
2. The flaired user claims to be in a surgery fellowship while being a Family Medicine doctor, despite not having gone through a surgery residency.
3. The flaired user showed an apparent lack of understanding regarding the types of fellowships offered to doctors in his field following the completion of a residency.
These assertions are spelled out in the manifesto, with logs between Sardine(on two alternate accounts) and the flaired user in question serving as supporting evidence. However, it is important to note that the validity of the contradictions identified relies solely on the willingness of the flaired user in question to provide personal information relating to their credentials in DGG dms. Furthermore, these questions were asked by a user in chat who is not typically involved in the verification of flairs, meaning whatever verification the flaired user in question utilized to earn their flair was not provided to Sardine.
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| '''[[Sarky|Sarky/Tomzy]]''' || Didn't like charity movie streams very much.
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| '''scyx17''' || Former dgger, would constantly shit up offline chat during EU hours<ref>[[Media:Scyxlog1.png]]</ref>. Once asked for donations to leave chat<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/29ntja/destiny_scyx17_is_now_asking_for_donations_to/</ref>. Raged in chat about the XJ9 videos, "He was heartbroken so its understandable for him to post her nudes online" and eventually came on stream to defend XJ9.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ye20GdRLOo</ref> Was not happy when they were banned for their unhinged behavior.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/4kuxjy/when_scyx17_drops_by_and_you_ban_her_instantly/</ref> Came to chat on several alts.<ref>[[Media:Scyxlog2.png]]</ref>
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| '''spinboyy''' || Compsci shitposter, is an electrical engineer<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2020-06-02T19%3A41%3A02.000Z&username=spinboyy</ref>, not a fan of Waffles<ref>https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/674725392187392030/1101389040051302420/Screenshot_20230428_000055_Discord.jpg</ref><ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2023-04-28T06%3A18%3A27.628Z&username=spinboyy</ref><ref>[https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/273920762312916992/1101386812368371812/image.png?width=277&height=836 </ref>. Personal friend of Cake.
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| '''[[User:Synth|Synth]]''' || Onlyfans creator and debate-bro. Exclusively debated about trans topics, only showed up to dgg when trans topics were up for debate or destiny said something mean about trans people on twitter. Constantly posted their OnlyFans and OC nsfw content of themself<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=nsfw&start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2023-09-05&channel=Destinygg&username=synth</ref> to the chagrin of many dggers. Claims to have dissociative identity disorder (DID) with an underage, 6-year-old alter ego<ref>https://imgur.com/a/jCCl0aT</ref><ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2021-09-27T20%3A46%3A00.466Z&username=synth</ref>. Turned into an anti-fan<ref>https://www.reddit.com/gallery/tpmtt8</ref><ref>https://twitter.com/princessyntheia/status/1506607587462103045</ref> and was eventually banned from dgg for being a "pedophile enabler"<ref>[[Media:SynthLog.png]]</ref>.
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| '''sztanpet''' || One of the original devs of DGG, created much of the website.
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| '''[[tyson]]''' || known loli lover.<ref>https://streamable.com/fehxo5</ref> Deleted his logs but those who know, know.
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| [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/User:SecretMan01 SecretMan01] || April 2, 2022, 5:32PM UTC || Parasocial zoomer that has all the same takes as Destiny besdies the economy (had to complain about economy because ZOOMER).
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[[Category:DGG Communities]]

ImReallyImportant

2024-11-29T16:18:21Z

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IRI

2024-11-29T15:53:02Z

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Joe Biden

2024-11-29T06:56:05Z

Godofdoors0: Removing Biden from the Orbiters category. As funny as it might be it isn't true.

[[File:JosephBiden.jpg|thumb|'''Joe Biden''']]
'''Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.''' is the president of the United States.<ref>https://www.britannica.com/biography/Joe-Biden</ref>
== Opinions on ice cream ==
Joe Biden is public in his support of ice cream.<ref>https://youtu.be/_A4jS8gUtjE?si=UMzeeKcDUiFOkZgy&t=7</ref> He has been known to eat "chocolate chocolate chip" flavored ice cream,<ref>https://youtu.be/K3HD8Ikp_vc?si=ZIOjhIeO5hvxJ_to&t=42</ref> but it is unknown what his favorite flavor is. Unlike [[Destiny|certain streamers]] with [[Destiny's food takes|missing taste buds]] he is almost always seen eating ice cream from a waffle cone <ref>[https://www.google.com/search?q=Joe+Biden+Ice+cream+cone&tbm=isch" Google Images. Joe Biden Ice Cream Cone]</ref>.

== Other Foods ==
Biden also has an enthusiasm for soda.<ref> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bZwDCjYPP7A</ref>

== Incidents ==

Calls guy fat <ref>https://youtu.be/1P0IMA4Z2dc?si=GZm6gnX8cComhcok&t=105</ref>

== References ==
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[[Category:Orbiters]]

NotsoErudite

2024-11-29T05:50:05Z

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[[File:NotsoErudite.jpg|thumb|'''notsoErudite''']]
'''Kyla''', known online as '''notsoErudite''', is a political/commentary Streamer and YouTuber who frequently interacts with [[Destiny]] on stream.

She is married to [https://twitter.com/NickOhTeen Nick]

In September of '23 the [[Bridges Podcast]] was announced by '''notsoErudite''' as a podcast that she and '''Destiny''' would be hosting together.
==External Links==
* [https://www.youtube.com/@notsoErudite YouTube]
* [https://www.twitch.tv/notsoerudite Twitch]
* [https://twitter.com/notsoErudite Twitter]
* [https://kick.com/notsoerudite Kick]
* [https://discord.gg/notsoerudite Discord]

[[Category:Orbiters]]
[[Category:Streamers]]
[[Category:Real Friends]]

Bastiat

2024-11-28T05:20:49Z

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| person_name = Bastiat
| image = WarrenBastiat.jpg
| caption = Warren Rhea
| person_status = Inactive
| political_alignment = Neoliberal
| person_age =
| qualifications =
| occupation = Lawyer
| country = USA
| website =
| twitter = everydaywarren
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| youtube = warrenrhea
| stock =
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'''Warren Rhea''', commonly referred to by his moniker, '''Bastiat''', is a lawyer and former Neoliberal political commentator and streamer.

He came in second place for the [[Destiny_Awards#Ally_of_the_Year|Destiny Award for 2019 Ally of the Year]]. Most well known clip asking why people can't be normal on twitch or twitter <ref> {{cite
|source-name = Bastiat
|year = 2022
|month = March
|day = 26
|title = Why can't anyone be normal
|retrieved-date = 11/27/2024
|source = https://x.com/EverydayWarren/status/1507898021392048131
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== On-stream appearances with Destiny ==
{{Incomplete List}}
=== Destiny in moderation ===
{{disambiguation|Main Article: [[Destiny in moderation]]}}
Bastiat appeared in an episode of Destiny in moderation alongside with [[SocDoneLeft]] to debate the efficacy and legitimacy of court packing.

== External Links ==
*[https://twitch.tv/bastiat Twitch]
*[https://twitter.com/everydaywarren Twitter]
*[https://www.youtube.com/@warrenrhea YouTube]

== References ==
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[[Category:Streamers]]

Ragepope

2024-11-27T19:27:21Z

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[[File:Ragepope.jpg|thumb|]]
Ragepope is an orbiter and former streamer who has a career in finance. <ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/12czrvq/ragepope_backstory/] Ragepope backstory </ref> Ragepope often debates on issues related to economics or personal finance but has also done debate over foreign policy. <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ragepope] Ragepope Debates </ref> <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9vhQqJKCkg&t=61s] Destiny ft. RagePope, pisco95 and WickedSupreme </ref>

Ragepope ran a DnD campaign with [[GreenZerg]] called Nickromancer <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSs-Y2okd7yPwTe11HooQ46_cWaxvDtt7]. Nickromancer.</ref>.

== External Links ==
* [https://twitch.tv/ragepope Twitch]
* [https://kick.com/ragepope Kick]
* [https://twitter.com/RagePope Twitter]

== References ==
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[[Category:Orbiters]]
[[Category:Streamers]]

Sargon of Akkad

2024-11-26T04:24:59Z

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[[File:SargonA.jpg|thumb|'''Carl 'SargonofAkkad' Benjamin''']]
Sargon of Akkad is a right-wing British youtuber. <ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Benjamin Carl Benjamin Sargon of Akkad ] </ref>

He has had several debates with Steven over a large range of subjects <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sargon+of+akkad+Destiny Sargon + Destiny youtube search result]</ref> . The largest debate was hosted [[Trainwreckstv]] twitch channel when [[Destiny]] teamded up up with [[Hasan]] against Sargon and [[Nick Fuentes]] <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XbT4UojaRw - SARGON OF AKKAD, TYT's HASAN PIKER, DESTINY, NICK F, & co-host ASMONGOLD - POLITICAL PODCAST]</ref>

== External Links ==
* [https://twitch.tv/sargon_of_akkad100 Twitch]
* [https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad Twitter]
*[https://www.instagram.com/carlbenjamin100 Instagram]
*[https://www.youtube.com/@SargonofAkkad Youtube]

== References ==
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[[Category:Streamers]]

Sargon of Akkad

2024-11-26T04:11:52Z

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[[File:SargonA.jpg|thumb|'''Carl 'SargonofAkkad' Benjamin''']]
Sargon of Akkad is a right-wing British youtuber. <ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Benjamin Carl Benjamin ] </ref>

== External Links ==
* [https://twitch.tv/sargon_of_akkad100 Twitch]
* [https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad Twitter]
*[https://www.instagram.com/carlbenjamin100 Instagram]
*[https://www.youtube.com/@SargonofAkkad Youtube]

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Leeching

2024-11-26T04:03:14Z

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'''Leeching''' is the act of taking deliberate, excessive action to be close to other, more popular streamers and content creators with the goal of taking/gaining some of their viewers, much like the leech animal will suck blood out of other animals for its survival. Similar terms include '''clout-chasing''' and '''clout-sharking'''.

Many recent [[orbiters]], such as [[Qorantos]]<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=Q%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2022-09-18&end_date=2023-09-18&channel=Destinygg Qorantos Leech Accusations]. RustleSearch.</ref>, [[Mercoffdaperc]]<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=merc%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2022-09-18&end_date=2023-09-18&channel=Destinygg Mercoffdaperc Leech Accusations]. RustleSearch.</ref>, [[DariusIRL]]<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=darius%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2022-09-18&end_date=2023-09-18&channel=Destinygg DariusIRL Leech Accusations]. RustleSearch.</ref>, [[XenaTheWitcher]]<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=xena%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2022-09-18&end_date=2023-09-18&channel=Destinygg Xena Leech Accusations]. RustleSearch.</ref>, and [[Lav]]<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=Lav%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2024-11-26&channel=Destinygg Lav Leech Accusations]. RustleSearch.</ref> have been accused of leeching from Destiny by repeatedly joining his Discord call during streams at a much higher rate than other orbiters.

== References ==

Leeching

2024-11-26T04:02:21Z

Godofdoors0: added Lav.

'''Leeching''' is the act of taking deliberate, excessive action to be close to other, more popular streamers and content creators with the goal of taking/gaining some of their viewers, much like the leech animal will suck blood out of other animals for its survival. Similar terms include '''clout-chasing''' and '''clout-sharking'''.

Many recent [[orbiters]], such as [[Qorantos]]<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=Q%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2022-09-18&end_date=2023-09-18&channel=Destinygg Qorantos Leech Accusations]. RustleSearch.</ref>, [[Mercoffdaperc]]<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=merc%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2022-09-18&end_date=2023-09-18&channel=Destinygg Mercoffdaperc Leech Accusations]. RustleSearch.</ref>, [[DariusIRL]]<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=darius%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2022-09-18&end_date=2023-09-18&channel=Destinygg DariusIRL Leech Accusations]. RustleSearch.</ref>, and [[XenaTheWitcher]]<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=xena%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2022-09-18&end_date=2023-09-18&channel=Destinygg Xena Leech Accusations]. RustleSearch.</ref> [[Lav]]<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=Lav%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2024-11-26&channel=Destinygg Lav Leech Accusations]. RustleSearch.</ref> have been accused of leeching from Destiny by repeatedly joining his Discord call during streams at a much higher rate than other orbiters.

== References ==

Leeching

2024-11-26T03:53:24Z

Godofdoors0:

'''Leeching''' is the act of taking deliberate, excessive action to be close to other, more popular streamers and content creators with the goal of taking/gaining some of their viewers, much like the leech animal will suck blood out of other animals for its survival. Similar terms include '''clout-chasing''' and '''clout-sharking'''.

Many recent [[orbiters]], such as [[Qorantos]]<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=Q%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2022-09-18&end_date=2023-09-18&channel=Destinygg Qorantos Leech Accusations]. RustleSearch.</ref>, [[Mercoffdaperc]]<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=merc%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2022-09-18&end_date=2023-09-18&channel=Destinygg Mercoffdaperc Leech Accusations]. RustleSearch.</ref>, [[DariusIRL]]<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=darius%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2022-09-18&end_date=2023-09-18&channel=Destinygg DariusIRL Leech Accusations]. RustleSearch.</ref>, and [[XenaTheWitcher]]<ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=xena%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2022-09-18&end_date=2023-09-18&channel=Destinygg Xena Leech Accusations]. RustleSearch.</ref> [[Lav]] <ref>[https://rustlesearch.dev/?text=Lav%20%2B%20leech&start_date=2010-01-01&end_date=2024-11-26&channel=Destinygg Lav Leech Accusations] have been accused of leeching from Destiny by repeatedly joining his Discord call during streams at a much higher rate than other orbiters.

== References ==

Ben Shapiro Debate

2024-11-26T03:49:12Z

Godofdoors0: updated some small information about views.

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The [[Destiny]] vs [[Ben Shapiro]] Debate was a highly anticipated conversation hosted on the [[Lex Fridman]] Podcast and released on Jan 23, 2024 and has been viewed nearly 12 million times making it the 6th most popular video on his channel.

== Debate ==
=== Liberalism vs Conservatism ===
=== Education ===
[[Destiny]] argued for a multi pronged approach toward improving educational outcomes via things like A/C, and food plans while [[Ben Shapiro]] is of the belief that anything other than the total reconstruction of the nuclear family is waste of government spending and time.
=== Trump vs Biden ===
=== Foreign policy ===
=== Israel-Palestine ===
=== Russia-Ukraine ===
=== January 6 ===
=== Abuse of power ===
=== Wokeism ===
=== Institutional capture ===
=== Monogamy vs open relationships ===
=== Rapid fire questions ===

== Reception ==
Both conservatives and center isle individuals praised the conversation for its civility and ability for both sides to express their opinions {{citation needed}}

Progressives such as [[Hasan Piker]] were highly critical of [[Destiny]] for not going far enough in rebuking [[Ben Shapiro]]'s argument. {{citation needed}}

[[Category: Notable Event]]
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Rose Wrist

2024-11-26T00:56:51Z

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[[File:RoseWrist.jpg|thumb|'''Elton 'Rose Wrist' Hogklint''']]
A former streamer and friend of the stream. Known for making research docs <ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/n0kd9d research_document_of_cooperatives_by_rose_wrist/ ]</ref> .

Left the streaming space on Oct 15 2022 <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiJp9IbO8_o Thank You and Goodbye]</ref>. Has come back to stream since then under the name Elton to talk with destiny.

== External Links ==
*[https://twitter.com/eltonhogklint Twitter]
*[https://www.youtube.com/@RoseWrist YouTube]

== References ==
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[[Category:Streamers]]

Rose Wrist

2024-11-25T22:04:40Z

Godofdoors0:

[[File:RoseWrist.jpg|thumb|'''Elton 'Rose Wrist' Hogklint''']]
A former streamer and friend of the stream. Known for making research docs <ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/n0kd9d research_document_of_cooperatives_by_rose_wrist/ ]</ref> .

Left the streaming space on Oct 15 2022 <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiJp9IbO8_o Thank You and Goodbye]</ref>. Has come back to stream since then under the name Elon to talk with destiny.

== External Links ==
*[https://twitter.com/eltonhogklint Twitter]
*[https://www.youtube.com/@RoseWrist YouTube]

== References ==
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[[Category:Streamers]]

Rose Wrist

2024-11-25T22:03:58Z

Godofdoors0:

[[File:RoseWrist.jpg|thumb|'''Elton 'Rose Wrist' Hogklint''']]
A former streamer and friend of the stream. Known for making research docs <ref>[https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/n0kd9d research_document_of_cooperatives_by_rose_wrist/ ]</ref> .

Left the streaming career on Oct 15 2022 <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiJp9IbO8_o Thank You and Goodbye]</ref>. Has come back to stream since then under the name Elon to talk with destiny.

== External Links ==
*[https://twitter.com/eltonhogklint Twitter]
*[https://www.youtube.com/@RoseWrist YouTube]

== References ==
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[[Category:Streamers]]

LilyPichu

2024-11-25T20:53:05Z

Godofdoors0: Correcting a link

[[File:LilyPichu.jpg|thumb|'''LilyPichu''']]
[[File:Everytimeigoondgg.png|thumb|'''Drawing by LilyPichu''']]
'''Lily Ki''', known online as '''LilyPichu''', is a famous YouTuber whose channel has over 3 million subscribers. <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/user/LilyPichu/about About LilyPichu]. YouTube.</ref> She was one of the largest female streamers in 2020<ref>[https://www.svg.com/315285/the-top-female-twitch-streamer-of-2020-may-surprise-you/ "The Top Female Twitch Streamer of 2020 May Surprise You"] </ref> before signing an exclusive deal with YouTube.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHA2Ns5V9BQ YouTube Video Showing Lily's Decision]</ref> Ki is also a musician, artist, and voice actress.

It has been alleged that LilyPichu augments her voice to a higher pitch. This claim has never been confirmed or denied.

There is a popular meme spread within [[DGG]] (especially by [[Destiny]] himself) that Lily is an ardent supporter of [[Donald Trump]].

Is owner of Temmie, the dog that the temmiedank emote [[File:TemmieDank.png]] is based on. <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hXGaTBlmYw ♡TEMMIE - my pomeranian puppy♡]</ref>

The LilyPichu bridge must be protected at all costs.

== External Links ==
*[https://lilypichu.com/ Website]
*[https://www.youtube.com/@LilyPichu YouTube]
*[https://twitter.com/lilypichu Twitter]
*[https://www.instagram.com/lilypichu Instagram]
*[https://www.tiktok.com/@lilypichu TikTok]

== References ==
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[[Category:Orbiters]]
[[Category:Real Friends]]
[[Category:Streamers]]

LilyPichu

2024-11-25T20:42:01Z

Godofdoors0: Add info about her dog.

[[File:LilyPichu.jpg|thumb|'''LilyPichu''']]
[[File:Everytimeigoondgg.png|thumb|'''Drawing by LilyPichu''']]
'''Lily Ki''', known online as '''LilyPichu''', is a famous YouTuber whose channel has over 3 million subscribers. <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/user/LilyPichu/about About LilyPichu]. YouTube.</ref> She was one of the largest female streamers in 2020<ref>[https://www.svg.com/315285/the-top-female-twitch-streamer-of-2020-may-surprise-you/ "The Top Female Twitch Streamer of 2020 May Surprise You"] </ref> before signing an exclusive deal with YouTube.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHA2Ns5V9BQ YouTube Video Showing Lily's Decision]</ref> Ki is also a musician, artist, and voice actress.

It has been alleged that LilyPichu augments her voice to a higher pitch. This claim has never been confirmed or denied.

There is a popular meme spread within [[DGG]] (especially by [[Destiny]] himself) that Lily is an ardent supporter of [[Donald Trump]].

Is owner of Temmie, the dog that the temmiedank emote [[File:TemmieDank.png]] is based on. <ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hXGaTBlmYw]</ref>

The LilyPichu bridge must be protected at all costs.

== External Links ==
*[https://lilypichu.com/ Website]
*[https://www.youtube.com/@LilyPichu YouTube]
*[https://twitter.com/lilypichu Twitter]
*[https://www.instagram.com/lilypichu Instagram]
*[https://www.tiktok.com/@lilypichu TikTok]

== References ==
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[[Category:Orbiters]]
[[Category:Real Friends]]
[[Category:Streamers]]