BadEmpanada - Revision history

Spr1ggs: removing citation

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	==== Inciting harm against Lonerbox ~~WIP~~====		==== Inciting harm against Lonerbox ====
	On March 5, 2024 Lonerbox, in a conversation with Destiny discussing their upcoming trip to Israel, remarks that it wouldn't surprise him if BadEmpanada attempted to get in contact with individuals in the region in order to incite harm against the two of them. Lonerbox goes on to state that BadEmpanada has tagged him to pro-hamas X accounts in the past with his full name.<ref name="BadEmpanada Blacklist" /> ~~(tweets pending)~~		On March 5, 2024 Lonerbox, in a conversation with Destiny discussing their upcoming trip to Israel, remarks that it wouldn't surprise him if BadEmpanada attempted to get in contact with individuals in the region in order to incite harm against the two of them. Lonerbox goes on to state that BadEmpanada has tagged him to pro-hamas X accounts in the past with his full name.<ref name="BadEmpanada Blacklist" />

	=== Tweets following October 7 WIP ===		=== Tweets following October 7 WIP ===

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Spr1ggs: Blacklist update

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Blacklist update

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	== Blacklisted by Destiny ==		== Blacklisted by Destiny ==
	On March 14, ~~2025~~ Destiny ~~released~~ a [[blacklist]] of individuals that he does not maintain contact with~~. Among the individuals on this list include Ganitis~~. Destiny explains that Ganitis was added to the list as a result of his doxing campaigns and attempts at directing real life harassment towards individuals.<ref> Destiny. (2024, March 15). Chillin’ \| Finkel craziness \| H3H3 Fresh n Fit Review. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkOI46Ai4g8 </ref>		On March 5, 2024 Destiny placed Ganitis on a [[blacklist]] of individuals that he does not maintain contact with. Destiny explains that Ganitis was added to the list as a result of his doxing campaigns and attempts at directing real life harassment towards individuals.<ref> Destiny. (2024, March 15). Chillin’ \| Finkel craziness \| H3H3 Fresh n Fit Review. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkOI46Ai4g8 </ref>

	== References ==		== References ==
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Spr1ggs: Blacklisted by Destiny

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Blacklisted by Destiny

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	== Blacklisted by Destiny ==		== Blacklisted by Destiny ==
			On March 14, 2025 Destiny released a [[blacklist]] of individuals that he does not maintain contact with. Among the individuals on this list include Ganitis. Destiny explains that Ganitis was added to the list as a result of his doxing campaigns and attempts at directing real life harassment towards individuals.<ref> Destiny. (2024, March 15). Chillin’ \| Finkel craziness \| H3H3 Fresh n Fit Review. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkOI46Ai4g8 </ref>

	== References ==		== References ==
	[[Category:On-stream personalities]]		[[Category:On-stream personalities]]
	[[Category:Streamers]]		[[Category:Streamers]]

Spr1ggs: Doxxing Campaigns

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Doxxing Campaigns

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	</ref> Shortly following this, BadEmpanada encounters and kills an enemy NPC. He then exclaims: "secretary got".		</ref> Shortly following this, BadEmpanada encounters and kills an enemy NPC. He then exclaims: "secretary got".

	=== ~~Doxxing~~ campaigns ~~WIP~~ ===		=== Doxing campaigns ===
			[[File:BE_DM_Drew.png\|300px\|thumb\|right\| Ganitis threatening Drew Pavlou.<ref>https://archive.ph/wip/5rR4g </ref>]]
			Frequently, Ganitis will resort to seeking out and revealing otherwise private information of his detractors. He will do this in order to scare these individuals into no longer critiquing his work, or to provoke others into harassing or threatening the targeted individuals and their families. This is a frequent "card" deployed by Ganitis, and has resulted in many left-leaning content creators distancing themselves from the content creator.<ref> Reddit - The heart of the internet. (2025). Reddit.com. https://www.reddit.com/r/h3h3productions/comments/1lzpf0k/screenshots_of_taylor_and_badempanada_asking/ https://archive.ph/aBbEu </ref> <ref> Shrivastava, A. (2025, August 11). “Posted the faces of random little girls”: WillyMacShow accuses HasanAbi’s ally Bad Empanada of doxing and harassing his wife. Sportskeeda.com; Sportskeeda. https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/streamers/news-posted-faces-random-little-girls-willymacshow-accuses-hasanabi-s-ally-bad-empanada-doxing-harassing-wife https://archive.ph/wip/OLefZ</ref>

			In a Substack article, political activist [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Pavlou Drew Pavlou] alleged that Ganitis doxxed members of his family by publishing their personal information online. Pavlou further claimed that Ganitis later shared his home address and phone number with followers, seemingly with the intent to cause him harm. <ref> Pavlou, D. (2025, April 23). Open Source: The Legal Destruction of Bad Empanada. Substack.com; Drew Pavlou’s Iceberg Journal. https://drewpavlou.substack.com/p/open-source-the-legal-destruction </ref>

	=== Harassment campaigns WIP ===		=== Harassment campaigns WIP ===
	=== Death threats WIP ===		=== Death threats WIP ===

Spr1ggs: Updating citation

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	}}On November 18, 2024 BadEmpanada released a video titled "RESPONSE TO ETHAN KLEIN".<ref>		}}On November 18, 2024 BadEmpanada released a video titled "RESPONSE TO ETHAN KLEIN".<ref>
	{{cite		{{cite
	\|source-name = ~~r/h3h3productions~~		\|source-name = YouTube
	\|year = 2024		\|year = 2024
	\|month = October		\|month = October
	\|day =		\|day =
	\|title = ~~Over all my years of watching H3 this has to be the most unhinged Ethan response video I've ever watched (NSFW for video game violence)~~		\|title = RESPONSE TO ETHAN KLEIN
	\|retrieved-date = 2025, January 20		\|retrieved-date = 2025, January 20
	\|source = [[Media:BeResponseToEK.mp4]], https://~~www.reddit~~.com/~~r/h3h3productions/comments/1gu0ngp/over_all_my_years_of_watching_h3_this_has_to_be/~~		\|source = [[Media:BeResponseToEK.mp4]], https://preservetube.com/watch?v=SOMPp8a1aeE
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Spr1ggs: Response to Ethan Klein Video, Playing Knights of the Al-Aqsa Mosque

2025-01-20T17:24:21Z

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 ==== Tweets regarding Israelis ====
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Spr1ggs: Inciting harm against Lonerbox

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Inciting harm against Lonerbox

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	Despite BadEmpanada's onstream appearances with [[Destiny]] being quite limited, the two are not on cordial terms. This mutual disdain stems from a fundamental dislike of one another's content and political opinions, which infrequently boiled over to social media.		Despite BadEmpanada's onstream appearances with [[Destiny]] being quite limited, the two are not on cordial terms. This mutual disdain stems from a fundamental dislike of one another's content and political opinions, which infrequently boiled over to social media.

	As of March 5, 2024, BadEmpanada has been placed on Destiny's [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Blacklist#Super_Blacklist super blacklist] following his attempts to incite harm towards [[LonerBox]].<ref>		As of March 5, 2024, BadEmpanada has been placed on Destiny's [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Blacklist#Super_Blacklist super blacklist] following his attempts to incite harm towards [[LonerBox]].<ref name="BadEmpanada Blacklist">
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	== Controversies WIP==		== Controversies WIP==
	=== Inciting Harm Against Destiny and Lonerbox while they were in Israel WIP===		=== Inciting Harm Against Destiny and Lonerbox while they were in Israel WIP===
	==== Inciting Harm against Destiny in the West Bank ====		==== Inciting Harm against Destiny and Lonerbox in the West Bank ====
	On June 1, 2024, Destiny sent several tweets of himself and Lonerbox visiting Palestinian villages in the {{wiki\|West_bank\|West Bank}}.<ref>{{cite		On June 1, 2024, Destiny sent several tweets of himself and Lonerbox visiting Palestinian villages in the {{wiki\|West_bank\|West Bank}}.<ref>{{cite
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	==== Inciting harm against Lonerbox WIP ====		==== Inciting harm against Lonerbox WIP====
	~~https://wikicdn~~.~~destiny~~.gg/~~8/8a/BadEmpanadaBlacklist.mp4~~		On March 5, 2024 Lonerbox, in a conversation with Destiny discussing their upcoming trip to Israel, remarks that it wouldn't surprise him if BadEmpanada attempted to get in contact with individuals in the region in order to incite harm against the two of them. Lonerbox goes on to state that BadEmpanada has tagged him to pro-hamas X accounts in the past with his full name.<ref name="BadEmpanada Blacklist" />(tweets pending)

	=== Tweets following October 7 WIP ===		=== Tweets following October 7 WIP ===

Spr1ggs: Cleaning up citations

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	}}</ref> In response, BadEmpanada sent two tweets calling for Terrorist organizations in the region to harm the two content creators.<ref>		}}</ref> In response, BadEmpanada sent two tweets calling for Terrorist organizations in the region to harm the two content creators.<ref>
	{{cite		{{cite
	\|source-name = ~~r/h3h3productions~~		\|source-name = x.com
	\|year = 2024		\|year = 2024
	\|month = ~~October~~		\|month = June
	\|day =		\|day = 1
	\|title = ~~Bad Empanada is a serial doxxer who has tried to get content creators killed and tried to incite violence toward Americans~~. ~~This guy belongs in jail and Ethan and Hila should be aware of this for their safety~~.		\|title = BadEmpanada Tweet: "LION'S DEN WHERE ARE..."
	\|retrieved-date = 2025, January 17		\|retrieved-date = 2025, January 17
	\|source = https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fbad-empanada-is-a-serial-doxxer-who-has-tried-to-get-v0-1vl6zwlcs61e1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D592%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dd3966840b8a28ea4bf171dd500cf4c799b5a3add https://archive.ph/GoEDc ~~https://web.archive.org/web/20240601100251/https://twitter.com/RealBadEmpanada/status/1796844855391305899~~		\|source = https://web.archive.org/web/20240601100251/https://twitter.com/RealBadEmpanada/status/1796844855391305899, https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fbad-empanada-is-a-serial-doxxer-who-has-tried-to-get-v0-1vl6zwlcs61e1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D592%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dd3966840b8a28ea4bf171dd500cf4c799b5a3add, https://archive.ph/GoEDc
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	\|source-name = ~~r/h3h3productions~~		\|source-name = x.com
	\|year = 2024		\|year = 2024
	\|month = ~~October~~		\|month = June
	\|day =		\|day = 1
	\|title = ~~Bad Empanada is a serial doxxer who has tried to get content creators killed and tried to incite violence toward Americans~~. ~~This guy belongs in jail and Ethan and Hila should be aware of this for their safety~~.		\|title = BadEmpanada Tweet:"Please resistance..."
	~~\|retrieved-date = 2025, January 17~~		\|source = https://web.archive.org/web/20240601100316/https://twitter.com/RealBadEmpanada/status/1796844958273474790 , https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fbad-empanada-is-a-serial-doxxer-who-has-tried-to-get-v0-f21ovulcs61e1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D594%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D0f77382dc1b88322390080a2caf35ade6bb292ff, https://archive.ph/wip/CLVMW
	\|source = https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fbad-empanada-is-a-serial-doxxer-who-has-tried-to-get-v0-f21ovulcs61e1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D594%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D0f77382dc1b88322390080a2caf35ade6bb292ff https://archive.ph/wip/CLVMW ~~https://web.archive.org/web/20240601100316/https://twitter.com/RealBadEmpanada/status/1796844958273474790~~
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Kaiemon: Swapping tweet sources

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Swapping tweet sources

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	\|date = June 1, 2024		\|date = June 1, 2024
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	</ref> The crux of the debate primarily centered around the concept of rightful land ownership, and the practical implications of decolonization. Destiny being of the position that conversations on colonialism and decolonization often become "unactionable" due to the focus on historical grievances that lack clear, practical solutions in the present day. He contends that if a nation settles on a land long enough(e.g. through conquest/war), they essentially become the owners of that land, and that the time since displacement would determine the moral "rightness" of any decolonization attempts.		</ref> The crux of the debate primarily centered around the concept of rightful land ownership, and the practical implications of decolonization. Destiny being of the position that conversations on colonialism and decolonization often become "unactionable" due to the focus on historical grievances that lack clear, practical solutions in the present day. He contends that if a nation settles on a land long enough (e.g. through conquest/war), they essentially become the owners of that land, and that the time since displacement would determine the moral "rightness" of any decolonization attempts.

	Conversely, BadEmpanada argues that practical solutions to modern day colonization can exist in a myriad of ways, and that Destiny is simply unfamiliar with the concept or in fear of being removed by some indigenous population. Destiny responds by accusing BadEmpanada of engaging in a dialogue tree, and asserts he has not given a single indication that he is concerned about anyone attempting to expel him from the country.		Conversely, BadEmpanada argues that practical solutions to modern day colonization can exist in a myriad of ways, and that Destiny is simply unfamiliar with the concept or in fear of being removed by some indigenous population. Destiny responds by accusing BadEmpanada of engaging in a dialogue tree, and asserts he has not given a single indication that he is concerned about anyone attempting to expel him from the country.
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	* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=59 0:59] BadEmpanada joins the call		* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=59 0:59] BadEmpanada joins the call
	* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=127 2:07] Destiny explains the two forms of colonialism: cultural(e.g. exporting western-centric views across the world) and economic(e.g. exploitative trade deals).		* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=127 2:07] Destiny explains the two forms of colonialism: cultural (e.g. exporting western-centric views across the world) and economic (e.g. exploitative trade deals).
	* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=172 2:52] BadEmpanada argues that Destiny is using a more adapted form of the word "colonialism".		* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=172 2:52] BadEmpanada argues that Destiny is using a more adapted form of the word "colonialism".
	* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=357 5:57] BadEmpanada argues that anybody fighting against colonialism is unambiguously in the moral right. Destiny asks what BadEmpanada means by "fight against" that. BadEmpanada explains the example of the fight against apartheid in South Africa.		* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=357 5:57] BadEmpanada argues that anybody fighting against colonialism is unambiguously in the moral right. Destiny asks what BadEmpanada means by "fight against" that. BadEmpanada explains the example of the fight against apartheid in South Africa.
	* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=463 7:43] Destiny argues that BadEmpanada's example seem more like a fight against unjust-oppression rather than colonialism. BadEmpanada argues that unjust-oppression is a factor of colonialism, Destiny responds that this is a weird way to frame the situation.		* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=463 7:43] Destiny argues that BadEmpanada's example seem more like a fight against unjust-oppression rather than colonialism. BadEmpanada argues that unjust-oppression is a factor of colonialism, Destiny responds that this is a weird way to frame the situation.
	* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=533 8:53] BadEmpanada provides his definition of colonialism, and describes it as a social relation between two groups: Settler Colonialism( The establishment of permanent settlements by a colonizing group that dominates the original inhabitants, often through assimilation, extermination, or subjugation), and Extractive Colonialism (Colonization primarily aimed at exploiting resources for the benefit of the colonizer's home country).		* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=533 8:53] BadEmpanada provides his definition of colonialism, and describes it as a social relation between two groups: Settler Colonialism ( The establishment of permanent settlements by a colonizing group that dominates the original inhabitants, often through assimilation, extermination, or subjugation), and Extractive Colonialism (Colonization primarily aimed at exploiting resources for the benefit of the colonizer's home country).
	* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=606 10:10] BadEmpanada argues that Settler colonialism creates two distinct groups of people: Indigenous individuals and colonizers. He argues that the colonizers see the indigenous population as a problem that requires some sort of a solution(assimilation, extermination, deportation, apartheid). Destiny questions what the relevance of this is in the context of western world events. BadEmpanada responds it's relevant at different levels.		* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=606 10:10] BadEmpanada argues that Settler colonialism creates two distinct groups of people: Indigenous individuals and colonizers. He argues that the colonizers see the indigenous population as a problem that requires some sort of a solution (assimilation, extermination, deportation, apartheid). Destiny questions what the relevance of this is in the context of western world events. BadEmpanada responds it's relevant at different levels.
	* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=740 12:20] BadEmpanada provides Nazism as an example of colonialism, Destiny [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Nuke Nukes] his chat. BadEmpanada attempts to jump to another hypothetical, and Destiny insists they remain on the current example regarding colonization in Europe.		* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=740 12:20] BadEmpanada provides Nazism as an example of colonialism, Destiny [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Nuke Nukes] his chat. BadEmpanada attempts to jump to another hypothetical, and Destiny insists they remain on the current example regarding colonization in Europe.
	* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=852 14:12] Destiny provides the example of Hitler conquering a ton of land under Nazi Germany. Destiny describes how the population of that region may attempt to take that land back, and then that prior population may decide to reconquer the land. Destiny then questions how one would determine who originally owned that piece of land. Badempanada rejects this and argues that this is not typically how colonization works as cultures fuze together over time. He provides the example of someone taking land from Poland, and how nobody truly resided in the region before those people.		* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=852 14:12] Destiny provides the example of Hitler conquering a ton of land under Nazi Germany. Destiny describes how the population of that region may attempt to take that land back, and then that prior population may decide to reconquer the land. Destiny then questions how one would determine who originally owned that piece of land. Badempanada rejects this and argues that this is not typically how colonization works as cultures fuze together over time. He provides the example of someone taking land from Poland, and how nobody truly resided in the region before those people.
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	=== Discussing Israel ===		=== Discussing Israel ===
	During the conversation, BadEmpanada points to the {{wiki\|Israeli–Palestinian_conflict\|Israeli Palestinian conflict}} as a region with a relatively uncomplicated solution to colonization. He contends that decolonization in Israel would not involve kicking every Jew out of Israel, but rather creating one state where everyone has equal rights, and stolen land is returned where easily traced. Destiny rejects the practicality of this notion, and argues this would be incredibly complicated to implement. He points to a recent minor land dispute in the region, wherein both sides were able to trace their claims fairly far back in time. In response, BadEmpanada recounts the history of Israel for Destiny, and explains how Israel simply wrote up deeds to land they never purchased(which Destiny remains skeptical of).		During the conversation, BadEmpanada points to the {{wiki\|Israeli–Palestinian_conflict\|Israeli Palestinian conflict}} as a region with a relatively uncomplicated solution to colonization. He contends that decolonization in Israel would not involve kicking every Jew out of Israel, but rather creating one state where everyone has equal rights, and stolen land is returned where easily traced. Destiny rejects the practicality of this notion, and argues this would be incredibly complicated to implement. He points to a recent minor land dispute in the region, wherein both sides were able to trace their claims fairly far back in time. In response, BadEmpanada recounts the history of Israel for Destiny, and explains how Israel simply wrote up deeds to land they never purchased (which Destiny remains skeptical of).

	Following further deliberation, Destiny argues that BadEmpanada's framework implies the ultimate goal of seizing land would be to kill as many people as possible to eliminate prior claims to it. BadEmpanada responds that there's no "right" to any side of this discussion, and that they're just speaking in terms of abstract subjective morality. Destiny contends that BadEmpanada was attempting to make a moral justification for certain groups of people to lay claims to certain lands earlier. To which BadEmpanada argues that one could apply this logic to anything, and provides the example of killing all Germans after after World War 2(e.g. while it would prevent the Germans from becoming a problem again, it would not be the most moral thing to do).		Following further deliberation, Destiny argues that BadEmpanada's framework implies the ultimate goal of seizing land would be to kill as many people as possible to eliminate prior claims to it. BadEmpanada responds that there's no "right" to any side of this discussion, and that they're just speaking in terms of abstract subjective morality. Destiny contends that BadEmpanada was attempting to make a moral justification for certain groups of people to lay claims to certain lands earlier. To which BadEmpanada argues that one could apply this logic to anything, and provides the example of killing all Germans after after World War 2 (e.g. while it would prevent the Germans from becoming a problem again, it would not be the most moral thing to do).
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	* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=1532 25:32] BadEmpanada recounts the history of Israel. Israel had several Jews 2000 years ago, as a result of antisemitism and other reasons, these Jews dispersed across the region and to Europe. BadEmpanada ties this to the current conversation: if a group left a place 2000 years ago, and came back 2000 years later, it would be ridiculous for the group to claim ownership of the land. He provides the example of a Native American leaving the USA, then coming back to Europe after 500 years claiming they owned the land.		* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=1532 25:32] BadEmpanada recounts the history of Israel. Israel had several Jews 2000 years ago, as a result of antisemitism and other reasons, these Jews dispersed across the region and to Europe. BadEmpanada ties this to the current conversation: if a group left a place 2000 years ago, and came back 2000 years later, it would be ridiculous for the group to claim ownership of the land. He provides the example of a Native American leaving the USA, then coming back to Europe after 500 years claiming they owned the land.
	* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=1585 26:25] BadEmpanada describes the return of Jews to Israel as people claiming off the basis of religious mythology that they're the rightful owners of the land.		* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=1585 26:25] BadEmpanada describes the return of Jews to Israel as people claiming off the basis of religious mythology that they're the rightful owners of the land.
	* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=1613 26:53] Destiny argues that under BadEmpanada's prescription, the goal when taking over a land would be to kill as many people as possible so they lose the right to it. BadEmpanada argues that there's no "right" to any side of this, and that they're just speaking in abstract subjective morality. Destiny contends that BadEmpanada was attempting to make a moral justification for certain groups of people to lay claims to certain lands earlier. BadEmpanada argues that one could apply this logic to anything, and provides the example of killing all Germans after after World War 2(i.e. while it would prevent the Germans from becoming a problem again it would not be the most moral thing to do).		* [https://youtu.be/tG-IeglWKgE?t=1613 26:53] Destiny argues that under BadEmpanada's prescription, the goal when taking over a land would be to kill as many people as possible so they lose the right to it. BadEmpanada argues that there's no "right" to any side of this, and that they're just speaking in abstract subjective morality. Destiny contends that BadEmpanada was attempting to make a moral justification for certain groups of people to lay claims to certain lands earlier. BadEmpanada argues that one could apply this logic to anything, and provides the example of killing all Germans after after World War 2 (i.e. while it would prevent the Germans from becoming a problem again it would not be the most moral thing to do).
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	==== Inciting harm against Lonerbox WIP====		==== Inciting harm against Lonerbox WIP====
	On March 5, 2024 Lonerbox, in a conversation with Destiny discussing their upcoming trip to Israel, remarks that it wouldn't surprise him if BadEmpanada attempted to get in contact with individuals in the region in order to incite harm against the two of them. Lonerbox goes on to state that BadEmpanada has tagged him to pro-hamas X accounts in the past with his full name.<ref name="BadEmpanada Blacklist" />(tweets pending)		On March 5, 2024 Lonerbox, in a conversation with Destiny discussing their upcoming trip to Israel, remarks that it wouldn't surprise him if BadEmpanada attempted to get in contact with individuals in the region in order to incite harm against the two of them. Lonerbox goes on to state that BadEmpanada has tagged him to pro-hamas X accounts in the past with his full name.<ref name="BadEmpanada Blacklist" /> (tweets pending)

	=== Tweets following October 7 WIP ===		=== Tweets following October 7 WIP ===
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	Before playing the game, BadEmpanada states that he is "paying tribute" to [[Ethan Klein]](a Jewish content creator) following Twitch.tv's decision to forbid use of the word "Zionist" in chatrooms.<ref>		Before playing the game, BadEmpanada states that he is "paying tribute" to [[Ethan Klein]] (a Jewish content creator) following Twitch.tv's decision to forbid use of the word "Zionist" in chatrooms.<ref>
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