Kelly Jean - Revision history

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	The full recounting of much of the party's heated exchanges can be found in the table below:		The full recounting of much of the party's heated exchanges can be found in the table below:

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	==== Kelly damages a party member ====		==== Kelly damages a party member ====
	Kelly mistakenly damages Jstlk's character during her combat turn, forcing Jstlk to utilize a defensive ability. Kelly argues she was "tabbed-out" to fix her {{wiki\|Discord}}, much to the chagrin of her fellow party members.		Kelly mistakenly damages Jstlk's character during her combat turn, forcing Jstlk to utilize a defensive ability. Kelly argues she was "tabbed-out" to fix her {{wiki\|Discord}}, much to the chagrin of her fellow party members.
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	The tipping point occurred upon the party reaching the [https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Phase_Spider_Matriarch Phase Spider Matriarch] boss.<ref> [https://streamable.com/vgp37m Baldurs' gate 3 drama, the spider fight incident] </ref> Following the party deliberating a proper course of action with regards to the boss for some time, Kelly repeatedly expresses her desire to begin the fight as they've "spent too long" discussing what to do and should simply shoot the spider or her eggs. Jstlk points to the irony of the situation, arguing the party had to sit through Kelly spending "thirty-minutes" engaging in dialogue with {{wiki\|NPC\|NPCs}} the rest of the party members were indifferent about. Kelly counters, arguing there are a limited amount of routes the party can take in this particular fight, to which Wolfgand and Jstlk reemphasize their desire not to wipe the party once more and have a plan worked out. Jstlk and Wolfgand then explain the myriad of routes available for the party to explore, to which Kelly responds by shooting a spider egg at the first available opportunity. Ahrelevant then expresses his frustration with Kelly:		The tipping point occurred upon the party reaching the [https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Phase_Spider_Matriarch Phase Spider Matriarch] boss.<ref> [https://streamable.com/vgp37m Baldurs' gate 3 drama, the spider fight incident] </ref> Following the party deliberating a proper course of action with regards to the boss for some time, Kelly repeatedly expresses her desire to begin the fight as they've "spent too long" discussing what to do and should simply shoot the spider or her eggs. Jstlk points to the irony of the situation, arguing the party had to sit through Kelly spending "thirty-minutes" engaging in dialogue with {{wiki\|NPC\|NPCs}} the rest of the party members were indifferent about. Kelly counters, arguing there are a limited amount of routes the party can take in this particular fight, to which Wolfgand and Jstlk reemphasize their desire not to wipe the party once more and have a plan worked out. Jstlk and Wolfgand then explain the myriad of routes available for the party to explore, to which Kelly responds by shooting a spider egg at the first available opportunity. Ahrelevant then expresses his frustration with Kelly:

	"Kelly just so you know how frustrating you get with other people not being cooperative, I'm ten-times more frustrated with you right now... We're trying to figure out exactly when we want to shoot the eggs, which eggs we want to shoot."		{{blockquote
			\|quote= ''Kelly just so you know how frustrating you get with other people not being cooperative, I'm ten-times more frustrated with you right now... We're trying to figure out exactly when we want to shoot the eggs, which eggs we want to shoot.''
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	Following her fellow party members entering a new area, Kelly verbally questions where the rest of her group went, explaining she was once more tabbed out. Jstlk suggests she could simply look for the "blue dots" on her minimap, to which Kelly responds she does not see anybody on it. Jstlk then explains to Kelly that she must "zoom out" her minimap. Kelly responds she can now see the blue dots, however everyone is too far away from her as they have entered another area.		Following her fellow party members entering a new area, Kelly verbally questions where the rest of her group went, explaining she was once more tabbed out. Jstlk suggests she could simply look for the "blue dots" on her minimap, to which Kelly responds she does not see anybody on it. Jstlk then explains to Kelly that she must "zoom out" her minimap. Kelly responds she can now see the blue dots, however everyone is too far away from her as they have entered another area.

	Following several party members also having trouble entering the new area, Ahrelevant suggests'''everyone''' could simply teleport to the area through the game's map. Kelly then panics as several of her party members have seemingly disappeared from the map, to which Ahrelevant questions if Kelly was even listening to what he just stated. Kelly responds she did not think Ahrelevant was speaking to her. Ahrelevant proceeds to reemphasize his prior use of the word '''everyone''', and re-explains to Kelly what she must do.		Following several party members also having trouble entering the new area, Ahrelevant suggests '''everyone''' could simply teleport to the area through the game's map. Kelly then panics as several of her party members have seemingly disappeared from the map, to which Ahrelevant questions if Kelly was even listening to what he just stated. Kelly responds she did not think Ahrelevant was speaking to her. Ahrelevant proceeds to reemphasize his prior use of the word '''everyone''', and re-explains to Kelly what she must do.

	==== Owlbear fight ====		==== Owlbear fight ====

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	'''Kelly Jean''' is a cosplayer, ~~former~~ producer of the now cancelled ''[[Kick or Keep]]'', and former admin of the jstlk Discord. She was once a frequent guest on [[jstlk]]'s stream and was partially responsible for nearly bringing down [[Tom Foolery]]'s ~~Youtube~~ channel.		'''Kelly Jean''' is a British cosplayer and former [[Orbiter]] of [[Destiny]], as well as a banned [[chatter]]. Kelly was the producer of the now cancelled ''[[Kick or Keep]]'', and former admin of the jstlk Discord. She was once a frequent guest on [[jstlk]]'s stream and was partially responsible for nearly bringing down [[Tom Foolery]]'s [[YouTube]] channel.

	== Appearances ==		== Appearances ==

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	As the conversation progresses, Kelly argues that Chaiery was the one who initially brought up her miscarriage as a "shield".<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=7553 Kelly claims she did not initially bring up Chaiery's miscarriage]</ref> Destiny accuses Kelly of "kellysplaining" and provides the full recounting:		As the conversation progresses, Kelly argues that Chaiery was the one who initially brought up her miscarriage as a "shield".<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=7553 Kelly claims she did not initially bring up Chaiery's miscarriage]</ref> Destiny accuses Kelly of "kellysplaining" and provides the full recounting:
	[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=7582 "You called her crazy or you accused her of being my cum-dumpster, or she was being crazy because of me. And she brought up a whole bunch of other things that were going on in her life at the time, one of which was the miscarriage. Then you decided to go in on making fun of the "inhospitality" of her body... the fact that her body could not be... occupied by a baby."~~] -~~Destiny		{{blockquote\|source=https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=7582\|quote="You called her crazy or you accused her of being my cum-dumpster, or she was being crazy because of me. And she brought up a whole bunch of other things that were going on in her life at the time, one of which was the miscarriage. Then you decided to go in on making fun of the "inhospitality" of her body... the fact that her body could not be... occupied by a baby."\|name=Destiny}}

	Following this recounting, Kelly maintains she was justified in using Chaiery's miscarriage as an insult as Chaiery brought it up first.		Following this recounting, Kelly maintains she was justified in using Chaiery's miscarriage as an insult as Chaiery brought it up first.

	Jstlk eventually joins the call, and accuses Kelly of attempting to "nuke" his relationship with Destiny over one disagreement.<ref> [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=7831 Jstlk Joins to discuss the Baldur's Gate drama]</ref><ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8348 Jstlk claims Kelly tried to nuke his relationship with Destiny]</ref>Throughout this segment of the conversation, Kelly reiterates her prior points regarding not feeling comfortable within a server full of "antifans", expresses her uncomfortability with Jstlk "monetizing" Destiny, and argues she was justified in "leaking" Jstlk's disparaging logs towards Destiny given that Jstlk "forced her hand" following leaking their final messages with one another. Kelly also argues the logs were a "non factor" given the likelihood that Destiny would do nothing to Jstlk in response. Destiny maintains Kelly was simply being "spiteful" and "vindictive" by leaking/threatening to leak Jstlk's logs, and attempts to highlight Kelly's "abusiveness":<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=9484 Kelly justifies her leaking of Jstlk's logs]</ref><ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=9505 Destiny discusses why he feels Kelly is abusive]</ref>		Jstlk eventually joins the call, and accuses Kelly of attempting to [[nuke]] his relationship with Destiny over one disagreement.<ref> [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=7831 Jstlk Joins to discuss the Baldur's Gate drama]</ref><ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8348 Jstlk claims Kelly tried to nuke his relationship with Destiny]</ref>Throughout this segment of the conversation, Kelly reiterates her prior points regarding not feeling comfortable within a server full of "antifans", expresses her uncomfortability with Jstlk "monetizing" Destiny, and argues she was justified in "leaking" Jstlk's disparaging logs towards Destiny given that Jstlk "forced her hand" following leaking their final messages with one another. Kelly also argues the logs were a "non factor" given the likelihood that Destiny would do nothing to Jstlk in response. Destiny maintains Kelly was simply being "spiteful" and "vindictive" by leaking/threatening to leak Jstlk's logs, and attempts to highlight Kelly's "abusiveness":<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=9484 Kelly justifies her leaking of Jstlk's logs]</ref><ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=9505 Destiny discusses why he feels Kelly is abusive]</ref>
	[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=9498 "I'm saying this half genuinely like if you aren't aware that you're doing this, and half for people in chat if you are dealing with abusive people, so that you can identify this in the future. You'll do something with the intention of hurting somebody and then when you get called out or caught on it, you try to appeal to like the probability of that thing working... It's like getting caught slashing someone's tires in the hope they get into an accident and die... and then you're like "yeah okay it's not like you would've gotten into a car accident"... It's a non-sequitur it's not responding to the point, and it's trivializing your behavior, and it's trying to hide the motivation for your behavior and what you're trying to accomplish."] -Destiny arguing why he feels Kelly's behavior is abusive.		{{blockquote\|source=https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=9498\|quote="I'm saying this half genuinely like if you aren't aware that you're doing this, and half for people in chat if you are dealing with abusive people, so that you can identify this in the future. You'll do something with the intention of hurting somebody and then when you get called out or caught on it, you try to appeal to like the probability of that thing working... It's like getting caught slashing someone's tires in the hope they get into an accident and die... and then you're like "yeah okay it's not like you would've gotten into a car accident"... It's a non-sequitur it's not responding to the point, and it's trivializing your behavior, and it's trying to hide the motivation for your behavior and what you're trying to accomplish."]\|name=Destiny arguing why he feels Kelly's behavior is abusive.}}
	Destiny also points out that Kelly's decision to stay in Jstlk's server when it was inhabited by known antifans like [[Lav]], contradicts her earlier assertion about leaving the server because of antifans.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8895 Destiny and Jstlk discusses Kelly's decision to say in Jstlk's server and engage in further "antifan" behavior with individuals such as Lav]</ref> Destiny further remarks that Kelly herself has engaged in "antifan" behavior herself, pointing to her aforementioned use of "white blood cells"(a phrase coined by notorious antifan [[MrGirl]]).<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8685 Destiny debates Kelly's use of "white blood cell"]</ref> Jstlk adds that Kelly seemingly echoed Lav's sentiment regarding [~~https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/~~Lav#Destiny_discusses_what_MrGirl_and_Lav_have_been_doing_behind_the_scenes,_details_his_relationship_with_the_two Destiny's "fetish"] of pitting women against each other on his stream. <ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8895 Destiny and Jstlk discusses Kelly's decision to say in ~~Jstlk~~'s server and engage in further "antifan" behavior with individuals such as Lav]</ref>		Destiny also points out that Kelly's decision to stay in Jstlk's server when it was inhabited by known antifans like [[Lav]], contradicts her earlier assertion about leaving the server because of antifans.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8895 Destiny and Jstlk discusses Kelly's decision to say in Jstlk's server and engage in further "antifan" behavior with individuals such as Lav]</ref> Destiny further remarks that Kelly herself has engaged in "antifan" behavior herself, pointing to her aforementioned use of "white blood cells"(a phrase coined by notorious antifan [[MrGirl]]).<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8685 Destiny debates Kelly's use of "white blood cell"]</ref> Jstlk adds that Kelly seemingly echoed Lav's sentiment regarding [[Lav#Destiny_discusses_what_MrGirl_and_Lav_have_been_doing_behind_the_scenes,_details_his_relationship_with_the_two\|Destiny's "fetish"]] of pitting women against each other on his stream.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8895 Destiny and Jstlk discusses Kelly's decision to say in jstlk's server and engage in further "antifan" behavior with individuals such as Lav]</ref>

	The conversation regarding Kelly's overall behavior, goals in leaking Jstlk's logs, and reasons for departing Jstlk's server continues for quite some time as more friends of the stream choose to join the call. Dan eventually joins the conversation, seemingly eager to shit stir, he asks for Kelly to give her full reconciliation of the conversation.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=14713 Dan joins the conversation]</ref> Further discussion on Kelly's behavior and whether she sought to tarnish Jstlk's reputation with Destiny occurs, until 4THOT eventually joins the stream.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=15480 4THOT joins the stream]</ref> Upon 4THOT's arrival, the conversation takes a turn as Jstlk and 4THOT ~~[https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Jstlk#Rape_Gate~~ air their respective grievances] with one another. Upon the conclusion of this conversation, Wolfgand joins, argues Kelly was manipulative and selfish throughout this entire ordeal, and rehashes much of the prior arguments regarding Kelly's behavior and goals in leaking Jstlk's messages.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=17216 Wolfgand joins the stream]</ref> Before the stream can conclude, WickedSupreme eventually joins, discusses how this drama mirrors a similar disagreement he had with Kelly wherein she leaked logs of his. WickedSupreme goes on to discusses how Kelly demanded individuals who informed him of this behavior to "turn out their pockets" and screenshot their own messages to him. The conversation eventually concludes as Destiny once again questions how Kelly was so tolerant of Lav's ~~antifanning~~, pointing to Lav's creation of several ~~discord~~ servers ~~who's~~ goal ~~was~~ to spread personal pictures/videos of himself. Destiny questions if Kelly was aware of this, upon Kelly's hesitation to respond, Destiny concludes she was aware and ends the conversation.		The conversation regarding Kelly's overall behavior, goals in leaking Jstlk's logs, and reasons for departing Jstlk's server continues for quite some time as more friends of the stream choose to join the call. Dan eventually joins the conversation, seemingly eager to shit stir, he asks for Kelly to give her full reconciliation of the conversation.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=14713 Dan joins the conversation]</ref> Further discussion on Kelly's behavior and whether she sought to tarnish Jstlk's reputation with Destiny occurs, until 4THOT eventually joins the stream.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=15480 4THOT joins the stream]</ref> Upon 4THOT's arrival, the conversation takes a turn as Jstlk and 4THOT air their respective grievances with one another. Upon the conclusion of this conversation, Wolfgand joins, argues Kelly was manipulative and selfish throughout this entire ordeal, and rehashes much of the prior arguments regarding Kelly's behavior and goals in leaking Jstlk's messages.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=17216 Wolfgand joins the stream]</ref> Before the stream can conclude, WickedSupreme eventually joins, discusses how this drama mirrors a similar disagreement he had with Kelly wherein she leaked logs of his. WickedSupreme goes on to discusses how Kelly demanded individuals who informed him of this behavior to "turn out their pockets" and screenshot their own messages to him. The conversation eventually concludes as Destiny once again questions how Kelly was so tolerant of Lav's anti-fan behavior, pointing to Lav's creation of several Discord servers which had the goal to spread personal pictures/videos of himself. Destiny questions if Kelly was aware of this, upon Kelly's hesitation to respond, Destiny concludes she was aware and ends the conversation.

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	Following this recounting, Kelly maintains she was justified in using Chaiery's miscarriage as an insult as Chaiery brought it up first.		Following this recounting, Kelly maintains she was justified in using Chaiery's miscarriage as an insult as Chaiery brought it up first.

	Jstlk eventually joins the call, and accuses Kelly of attempting to "nuke" his relationship with Destiny over one disagreement.<ref> [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=7831 Jstlk Joins to discuss the Baldur's Gate drama]</ref><ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8348 Jstlk claims Kelly tried to nuke his relationship with Destiny]</ref>Throughout this segment of the conversation, Kelly reiterates her prior points regarding not feeling comfortable within a server full of "antifans", ~~expsresses~~ her uncomfortability with Jstlk "monetizing" Destiny, and argues she was justified in "leaking" Jstlk's disparaging logs towards Destiny given that Jstlk "forced her hand" following leaking their final messages with one another. Kelly also argues the logs were a "non factor" given the likelihood that Destiny would do nothing to Jstlk in response. Destiny maintains Kelly was simply being "spiteful" and "vindictive" by leaking/threatening to leak Jstlk's logs, and attempts to highlight Kelly's "abusiveness":<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=9484 Kelly justifies her leaking of Jstlk's logs]</ref><ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=9505 Destiny discusses why he feels Kelly is abusive]</ref>		Jstlk eventually joins the call, and accuses Kelly of attempting to "nuke" his relationship with Destiny over one disagreement.<ref> [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=7831 Jstlk Joins to discuss the Baldur's Gate drama]</ref><ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8348 Jstlk claims Kelly tried to nuke his relationship with Destiny]</ref>Throughout this segment of the conversation, Kelly reiterates her prior points regarding not feeling comfortable within a server full of "antifans", expresses her uncomfortability with Jstlk "monetizing" Destiny, and argues she was justified in "leaking" Jstlk's disparaging logs towards Destiny given that Jstlk "forced her hand" following leaking their final messages with one another. Kelly also argues the logs were a "non factor" given the likelihood that Destiny would do nothing to Jstlk in response. Destiny maintains Kelly was simply being "spiteful" and "vindictive" by leaking/threatening to leak Jstlk's logs, and attempts to highlight Kelly's "abusiveness":<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=9484 Kelly justifies her leaking of Jstlk's logs]</ref><ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=9505 Destiny discusses why he feels Kelly is abusive]</ref>
	[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=9498 "I'm saying this half genuinely like if you aren't aware that you're doing this, and half for people in chat if you are dealing with abusive people, so that you can identify this in the future. You'll do something with the intention of hurting somebody and then when you get called out or caught on it, you try to appeal to like the probability of that thing working... It's like getting caught slashing someone's tires in the hope they get into an accident and die... and then you're like "yeah okay it's not like you would've gotten into a car accident"... It's a non-sequitur it's not responding to the point, and it's trivializing your behavior, and it's trying to hide the motivation for your behavior and what you're trying to accomplish."] -Destiny arguing why he feels Kelly's behavior is abusive.		[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=9498 "I'm saying this half genuinely like if you aren't aware that you're doing this, and half for people in chat if you are dealing with abusive people, so that you can identify this in the future. You'll do something with the intention of hurting somebody and then when you get called out or caught on it, you try to appeal to like the probability of that thing working... It's like getting caught slashing someone's tires in the hope they get into an accident and die... and then you're like "yeah okay it's not like you would've gotten into a car accident"... It's a non-sequitur it's not responding to the point, and it's trivializing your behavior, and it's trying to hide the motivation for your behavior and what you're trying to accomplish."] -Destiny arguing why he feels Kelly's behavior is abusive.
	Destiny also points out that Kelly's decision to stay in Jstlk's server when it was inhabited by known antifans like [[Lav]], contradicts her earlier assertion about leaving the server because of antifans.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8895 Destiny and Jstlk discusses Kelly's decision to say in Jstlk's server and engage in further "antifan" behavior with individuals such as Lav]</ref> Destiny further remarks that Kelly herself has engaged in "antifan" behavior herself, pointing to her aforementioned use of "white blood cells"(a phrase coined by notorious antifan [[MrGirl]]).<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8685 Destiny debates Kelly's use of "white blood cell"]</ref> Jstlk adds that Kelly seemingly echoed Lav's sentiment regarding [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Lav#Destiny_discusses_what_MrGirl_and_Lav_have_been_doing_behind_the_scenes,_details_his_relationship_with_the_two Destiny's "fetish"] of pitting women against each other on his stream. <ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8895 Destiny and Jstlk discusses Kelly's decision to say in Jstlk's server and engage in further "antifan" behavior with individuals such as Lav]</ref>		Destiny also points out that Kelly's decision to stay in Jstlk's server when it was inhabited by known antifans like [[Lav]], contradicts her earlier assertion about leaving the server because of antifans.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8895 Destiny and Jstlk discusses Kelly's decision to say in Jstlk's server and engage in further "antifan" behavior with individuals such as Lav]</ref> Destiny further remarks that Kelly herself has engaged in "antifan" behavior herself, pointing to her aforementioned use of "white blood cells"(a phrase coined by notorious antifan [[MrGirl]]).<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8685 Destiny debates Kelly's use of "white blood cell"]</ref> Jstlk adds that Kelly seemingly echoed Lav's sentiment regarding [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Lav#Destiny_discusses_what_MrGirl_and_Lav_have_been_doing_behind_the_scenes,_details_his_relationship_with_the_two Destiny's "fetish"] of pitting women against each other on his stream. <ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=8895 Destiny and Jstlk discusses Kelly's decision to say in Jstlk's server and engage in further "antifan" behavior with individuals such as Lav]</ref>

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	==== Destiny reacts to the drama ====		==== Destiny reacts to the drama ====
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	On June 17, 2024 Destiny reacted to the drama in its entirety using [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1di314v/kelly_vs_jstlk_drama_timeline_react_links_for/ a post] by ~~reddit user~~ Knorps as a guide <ref> Destiny. (2024, June 18). This ESCALATED Into The Most Personal And Unhinged Drama Ever. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kimhcPccQ </ref> With regards to the Baldur's Gate drama and Kelly's behavior, Destiny argues a [https://aminoapps.com/c/officialdd/page/item/what-is-a-session-zero/5B63_a5vi5ImwZqzEmjDLq5d4wQvJ5DGrj session zero] should have been held so the players could determine "goals" of the campaign and whether any individuals playstyle's would conflict with others.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=126 Destiny argues the party should have had a session zero.]</ref>		On June 17, 2024 Destiny reacted to the drama in its entirety using [https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1di314v/kelly_vs_jstlk_drama_timeline_react_links_for/ a reddit post] by Knorps as a guide.<ref> Destiny. (2024, June 18). This ESCALATED Into The Most Personal And Unhinged Drama Ever. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-kimhcPccQ </ref> With regards to the Baldur's Gate drama and Kelly's behavior, Destiny argues a [https://aminoapps.com/c/officialdd/page/item/what-is-a-session-zero/5B63_a5vi5ImwZqzEmjDLq5d4wQvJ5DGrj session zero] should have been held so the players could determine "goals" of the campaign and whether any individuals playstyle's would conflict with others.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=126 Destiny argues the party should have had a session zero.]</ref>

	On the critical comments made by both parties, Destiny argued Kelly's criticism of Chaiery being "boring" despite being black was justified given Chaiery's comments on Kelly's own race.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=3913 Destiny argues Kelly's criticism of Chaiery being "boring" despite being black was justified given Chaiery's comments on Kelly's own race]</ref> However, Destiny maintains that Kelly's comments regarding Chaiery's miscarriage and her body being "inhospitable" were entirely unjustified, and was a disproportionate response to Chaiery's mocking of Kelly's health issues.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=2898 Destiny describes Kelly's miscarriage comments as a "severe escalation"]</ref> Destiny went on to argue that Kelly exhibited manipulative traits throughout the conversation, and was seemingly attempting to engage in radical-feminist level arguments against Chaiery's womanhood.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=3353 Destiny discusses Kelly's behavior throughout the debate, and her use of "radical feminist" level arguments.]</ref>		On the critical comments made by both parties, Destiny argued Kelly's criticism of Chaiery being "boring" despite being black was justified given Chaiery's comments on Kelly's own race.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=3913 Destiny argues Kelly's criticism of Chaiery being "boring" despite being black was justified given Chaiery's comments on Kelly's own race]</ref> However, Destiny maintains that Kelly's comments regarding Chaiery's miscarriage and her body being "inhospitable" were entirely unjustified, and was a disproportionate response to Chaiery's mocking of Kelly's health issues.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=2898 Destiny describes Kelly's miscarriage comments as a "severe escalation"]</ref> Destiny went on to argue that Kelly exhibited manipulative traits throughout the conversation, and was seemingly attempting to engage in radical-feminist level arguments against Chaiery's womanhood.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=3353 Destiny discusses Kelly's behavior throughout the debate, and her use of "radical feminist" level arguments.]</ref>
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	* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=2294 38:14] Destiny reacts to the "miscarriage soup" comment.		* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=2294 38:14] Destiny reacts to the "miscarriage soup" comment.
	* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=2703 45:03] Following Kelly claiming in a vod that Chaiery has besmirched her husband to Destiny, Destiny denies this.		* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=2703 45:03] Following Kelly claiming in a vod that Chaiery has besmirched her husband to Destiny, Destiny denies this.
	* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=2898 48:18] Destiny argues Kelly bringing up Chaiery's miscarriage is a "severe escalation to some of the most dire insults you could make against a person". A chatter then likens Kelly's behavior to Destiny's, during a [~~https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/~~Ludwig#Ludwig's_friend_mocks_Destiny_on_a_podcast._Destiny_and_Ludwig_later_escalate_on_twitter recent drama] involving [[Ludwig]]. Destiny takes issue with this, and argues while he chose a poor target to direct his insults towards, the insults were proportional to the ones levied at him.		* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=2898 48:18] Destiny argues Kelly bringing up Chaiery's miscarriage is a "severe escalation to some of the most dire insults you could make against a person". A chatter then likens Kelly's behavior to Destiny's, during a [[Ludwig#Ludwig's_friend_mocks_Destiny_on_a_podcast._Destiny_and_Ludwig_later_escalate_on_twitter\|recent drama]] involving [[Ludwig]]. Destiny takes issue with this, and argues while he chose a poor target to direct his insults towards, the insults were proportional to the ones levied at him.
	* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=3155 52:35] Destiny explains the concept of [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Second_Meeting "second meetings"], where an "antagonistic employee" gets together with other disgruntled employees to discuss the "real" problems, yet chooses to never bring those problems up to the broader group. Destiny goes on to explain this is how "anti-fan" groups are typically formed, and that [[Lav]] and Kelly have seemingly engaged in this behavior. Destiny goes on to offer praise to ~~Jstlk~~ for seemingly halting a "second meeting" spearheaded by Kelly from occurring in his general chat.		* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=3155 52:35] Destiny explains the concept of [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Second_Meeting "second meetings"], where an "antagonistic employee" gets together with other disgruntled employees to discuss the "real" problems, yet chooses to never bring those problems up to the broader group. Destiny goes on to explain this is how "anti-fan" groups are typically formed, and that [[Lav]] and Kelly have seemingly engaged in this behavior. Destiny goes on to offer praise to jstlk for seemingly halting a "second meeting" spearheaded by Kelly from occurring in his general chat.
	* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=3302 55:12] Destiny critiques Kelly for attempting to keep the conversation private in some areas and public in others.		* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=3302 55:12] Destiny critiques Kelly for attempting to keep the conversation private in some areas and public in others.
	* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=3353 55:59] Destiny argues he can see the "~~kelly~~ manipulator thing" play out in real time following her attempts to compare her health issues to Chaiery's. Destiny goes on to describe the concept of "discord queens", and how Kelly has seemingly exhibited such behavior. Destiny further argues that Kelly's comments regarding Chaiery's miscarriage and her body being "inhospitable", are seemingly ~~"rad-fem"~~ arguments meant to hit at the core of Chaiery's womanhood.		* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=3353 55:59] Destiny argues he can see the "Kelly manipulator thing" play out in real time following her attempts to compare her health issues to Chaiery's. Destiny goes on to describe the concept of "discord queens", and how Kelly has seemingly exhibited such behavior. Destiny further argues that Kelly's comments regarding Chaiery's miscarriage and her body being "inhospitable", are seemingly {{tooltip\|Radical Feminist\|Rad Fem}} arguments meant to hit at the core of Chaiery's womanhood.
	* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=3913 1:05:13] Destiny argues Kelly's comment regarding Chaiery being boring despite being black was justified given that Chaiery levied an attack against Kelly's race first.		* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=3913 1:05:13] Destiny argues Kelly's comment regarding Chaiery being boring despite being black was justified given that Chaiery levied an attack against Kelly's race first.
	* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=4761 1:19:21] Following a chatter's inquiry, Destiny explains why Kelly's comments regarding wishing to consume Chaiery's miscarriage are hurtful.		* [https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=4761 1:19:21] Following a chatter's inquiry, Destiny explains why Kelly's comments regarding wishing to consume Chaiery's miscarriage are hurtful.
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	Upon completing his initial reaction, a chatter informs Destiny that Kelly has leaked logs wherein Jstlk allegedly disparaged Destiny to other individuals.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=5720 Jstlk venting to people about Destiny, Destiny's response.]</ref> Destiny replies that he is aware of the two grievances Jstlk holds against him, one regarding [[groyper]] allegations and another pertaining ~~to [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/Jstlk#Stalkergate a confrontation] relating~~ to the [[~~Anything Else~~]] ~~podcast~~. On the groyper allegations, Destiny confesses he is unsure what to make of it, as he thought it was well-known that Jstlk was a former [[Fuentes]] fan. With regards to the ~~Anything Else~~ confrontation, Destiny pleads ignorance to this, as he recalls admitting Jstlk's criticisms were justified during the dispute.		Upon completing his initial reaction, a chatter informs Destiny that Kelly has leaked logs wherein Jstlk allegedly disparaged Destiny to other individuals.<ref>[https://youtu.be/G-kimhcPccQ?t=5720 Jstlk venting to people about Destiny, Destiny's response.]</ref> Destiny replies that he is aware of the two grievances Jstlk holds against him, one regarding {{wiki\|groyper}} allegations and another pertaining to the [[Stalkergate]] drama. On the groyper allegations, Destiny confesses he is unsure what to make of it, as he thought it was well-known that Jstlk was a former [[Fuentes]] fan. With regards to the Stalkergate confrontation, Destiny pleads ignorance to this, as he recalls admitting Jstlk's criticisms were justified during the dispute.

	==== Destiny discusses the drama with Kelly Jean and others ====		==== Destiny discusses the drama with Kelly Jean and others ====