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	\| image = LavLune.jpg		\| image = LavLune.jpg
	\| caption = ~~Lea Jane~~		\| caption = Kalea Little
	\| person_status = Retired<ref>https://twitter.com/bordeauxxheaux/status/1791519785898979488</ref><ref>Imgur backup https://imgur.com/a/Q38FKd9</ref> [[File:LeRuse.png\|20px]]		\| person_status = Retired<ref>https://twitter.com/bordeauxxheaux/status/1791519785898979488</ref><ref>Imgur backup https://imgur.com/a/Q38FKd9</ref> [[File:LeRuse.png\|20px]]
	\| political_alignment = Republican Tradwife		\| political_alignment = Republican Tradwife

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	* She maintains that Chaeiry and Stardust were purposely malicious in their attempted cancellation of MrGirl, and accuses Destiny of not coming to MrGirl's aid. Destiny responds that the overwhelming majority of online spaces were coming out against Chaiery and Stardust, and he found it unnecessary to add on to the criticism they were receiving as a result of the accusation.		* She maintains that Chaeiry and Stardust were purposely malicious in their attempted cancellation of MrGirl, and accuses Destiny of not coming to MrGirl's aid. Destiny responds that the overwhelming majority of online spaces were coming out against Chaiery and Stardust, and he found it unnecessary to add on to the criticism they were receiving as a result of the accusation.

	Eventually, Lav joins the stream to confront Destiny. Lav claims she never "talked shit" about Destiny on other streams, and accuses Destiny of "emboldening" his community against her and breeding misogyny. She also maintains that Destiny's audience has many ~~[https://en.wikipedia.org/~~wiki/Groypers ~~groypers]~~ in it harassing her. Destiny responds that he polices against misogyny heavily in his community, and points out that Lav has spent much time on Groyper platforms. He clarifies that this is is likely where the harassment she receives is coming from. The two debate the perceived Misogyny in Destiny's community (primarily the subreddit), Lav's characterization of Destiny on other streams, and Lav's behavior in debates.		Eventually, Lav joins the stream to confront Destiny. Lav claims she never "talked shit" about Destiny on other streams, and accuses Destiny of "emboldening" his community against her and breeding misogyny. She also maintains that Destiny's audience has many {{wiki\|Groypers}} in it harassing her. Destiny responds that he polices against misogyny heavily in his community, and points out that Lav has spent much time on Groyper platforms. He clarifies that this is is likely where the harassment she receives is coming from. The two debate the perceived Misogyny in Destiny's community (primarily the subreddit), Lav's characterization of Destiny on other streams, and Lav's behavior in debates.

	Throughout their conversation, Destiny attempts to make clear to Lav that her on-stream issues do not stem from her unfamiliarity with debate spheres. Instead, he explains they stem from her habit of belittling other people who hold differing views from her, and then changing her mind on these views the next day. Destiny points out that Lav perfectly situates herself in most conversations to sit on either side of the fence on a given topic, and when she confronts an individual on that topic, she flips to the "good side" of that fence. The conversation gets quite emotional with Lav even sobbing through her arguments at one point. Lav eventually apologizes, says she was wrong, and that she does not truly think Destiny's audience is filled with groypers or misogynists.		Throughout their conversation, Destiny attempts to make clear to Lav that her on-stream issues do not stem from her unfamiliarity with debate spheres. Instead, he explains they stem from her habit of belittling other people who hold differing views from her, and then changing her mind on these views the next day. Destiny points out that Lav perfectly situates herself in most conversations to sit on either side of the fence on a given topic, and when she confronts an individual on that topic, she flips to the "good side" of that fence. The conversation gets quite emotional with Lav even sobbing through her arguments at one point. Lav eventually apologizes, says she was wrong, and that she does not truly think Destiny's audience is filled with groypers or misogynists.
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	* [https://youtu.be/-y6DDtjM3cY?t=76 1:16] Destiny reacts to a conversation between MrGirl and Lav. Lav states she is less interested in teaching Destiny how to treat her, and more interested in having relationships with people who already already know how to respect her. Destiny responds that Lav is cringe, young, and naive. Especially when it comes to establishing boundaries with other people.		* [https://youtu.be/-y6DDtjM3cY?t=76 1:16] Destiny reacts to a conversation between MrGirl and Lav. Lav states she is less interested in teaching Destiny how to treat her, and more interested in having relationships with people who already already know how to respect her. Destiny responds that Lav is cringe, young, and naive. Especially when it comes to establishing boundaries with other people.
	* [https://youtu.be/-y6DDtjM3cY?t=127 2:07] MrGirl claims that nobody who has ever loved Destiny has ever pushed back against him, and Lav agrees. Destiny pauses the video, and expresses his frustration with watching a 24 year old, whose opinions he has observed change frequently, trying to psychoanalyze his relationships. He suggests that Lav come back to him in three weeks once she has developed an entirely new life-philosophy again.		* [https://youtu.be/-y6DDtjM3cY?t=127 2:07] MrGirl claims that nobody who has ever loved Destiny has ever pushed back against him, and Lav agrees. Destiny pauses the video, and expresses his frustration with watching a 24 year old, whose opinions he has observed change frequently, trying to psychoanalyze his relationships. He suggests that Lav come back to him in three weeks once she has developed an entirely new life-philosophy again.
	* [https://youtu.be/-y6DDtjM3cY?t=182 3:02] The video skips to later in the day where Destiny reacts to a conversation between Lav, Erudite, and Brittany. Lav says she's like ~~[https://en.wikipedia.org/~~wiki~~/Holden_Caulfield~~ Holden Caulfield] from Catcher in the Rye. Destiny pauses the video and states that no individual should want to be like Holden, and implies that Lav missed the point of the story if that was her takeaway. This was all in reference to Lav calling Chaiery a "phony", and her current disdain for her.		* [https://youtu.be/-y6DDtjM3cY?t=182 3:02] The video skips to later in the day where Destiny reacts to a conversation between Lav, Erudite, and Brittany. Lav says she's like {{wiki\|Holden Caulfield}} from ''{{wiki\|The Catcher in the Rye\|\|.}}'' Destiny pauses the video and states that no individual should want to be like Holden, and implies that Lav missed the point of the story if that was her takeaway. This was all in reference to Lav calling Chaiery a "phony", and her current disdain for her.
	* [https://youtu.be/-y6DDtjM3cY?t=329 5:29] Lav, Erudite and Brittany debate for some time over the intentionality of Chaiery and Stardust attempting to cancel MrGirl. Lav believes the two (primarily Chaiery) were being malicious in their accusation, while Brittany and Lav felt they were genuinely uncomfortable.		* [https://youtu.be/-y6DDtjM3cY?t=329 5:29] Lav, Erudite and Brittany debate for some time over the intentionality of Chaiery and Stardust attempting to cancel MrGirl. Lav believes the two (primarily Chaiery) were being malicious in their accusation, while Brittany and Lav felt they were genuinely uncomfortable.
	* [https://youtu.be/-y6DDtjM3cY?t=615 10:15] Lav states that nobody came to MrGirl's aid (even Destiny), during his attempted cancellation. Destiny takes issue with this, points out that the attempted cancellation was absurd to begin with. He points to seeing many parts of his community (from his chatroom to subreddit) already criticizing Chaiery and Stardust, and reasoned that putting his "thumb on the scale" would be unnecessary.		* [https://youtu.be/-y6DDtjM3cY?t=615 10:15] Lav states that nobody came to MrGirl's aid (even Destiny), during his attempted cancellation. Destiny takes issue with this, points out that the attempted cancellation was absurd to begin with. He points to seeing many parts of his community (from his chatroom to subreddit) already criticizing Chaiery and Stardust, and reasoned that putting his "thumb on the scale" would be unnecessary.

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	\| political_alignment = Republican Tradwife		\| political_alignment = Republican Tradwife
	\| person_age = 26		\| person_age = {{Age\|1998\|07\|22}}
	\| qualifications = Billie Eilish liked one of her songs<ref>https://www.nme.com/features/nme-radar-lav-heartbreaking-poet-with-songs-envied-by-billie-eilish-2666899</ref>		\| qualifications = Billie Eilish liked one of her songs<ref>https://www.nme.com/features/nme-radar-lav-heartbreaking-poet-with-songs-envied-by-billie-eilish-2666899</ref>
	\| occupation = Rage-baiter (Retired)		\| occupation = Rage-baiter (Retired)

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	=== Destiny confronts Lav after reacting to her talking about him on other streams AKA Destiny takes off the "kids gloves" and yells at Lav ===		=== Destiny confronts Lav after reacting to her talking about him on other streams AKA Destiny takes off the "kids gloves" and yells at Lav ===
	{{#ev:youtube\|https://youtu.be/-y6DDtjM3cY\|300px\|right\| '''Destiny Finally Takes Gloves Off, Debate Ends In TEARS. '''}}		{{#ev:youtube\|https://youtu.be/-y6DDtjM3cY\|300px\|right\| '''Destiny Finally Takes Gloves Off, Debate Ends In TEARS. '''}}
	On October 23, 2022, Destiny ~~watches~~ several clip of Lav speaking about him on other streams. <ref>{{cite		On October 23, 2022, Destiny watched several clip of Lav speaking about him on other streams. <ref>{{cite
	\|source-name = YouTube		\|source-name = YouTube
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	=== Destiny reacts to Lav crying for mod privileges on jstlk's discord server ===		=== Destiny reacts to Lav crying for mod privileges on jstlk's discord server ===
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	On February 20, 2024, Destiny reacted to a vod where Lav, in the process of attempting to earn moderation status on jstlk's server, ~~breaks~~ down in tears.<ref> {{cite		On February 20, 2024, Destiny reacted to a vod where Lav, in the process of attempting to earn moderation status on jstlk's server, broke down in tears.<ref> {{cite
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	On September 22, 2024, Lav, in response to an inquiry from an X.com user, claims to have never been married.<ref> [[Media:LavPossibleDivorce.jpg ‎]]</ref>		On September 22, 2024, Lav, in response to an inquiry from an X.com user, claims to have never been married.<ref> [[Media:LavPossibleDivorce.jpg ‎]]</ref>

	On October 14, 2024, Destiny ~~discovers~~ Lav's response, and praises himself for predicting the couple's breakup. Destiny then questions if Lav's husband divorced her, or if they were never truly married.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2024-10-14T19%3A36%3A48.353Z&username=destiny </ref>		On October 14, 2024, Destiny discovered Lav's response, and praises himself for predicting the couple's breakup. Destiny then questions if Lav's husband divorced her, or if they were never truly married.<ref>https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2024-10-14T19%3A36%3A48.353Z&username=destiny </ref>

	On January 4, 2025 Destiny confirms that Lav is divorced, and ~~has~~ been broken up with her boyfriend since around April, 2024. <ref> https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2025-01-04T05%3A44%3A50.501Z&username=destiny </ref> Destiny goes on to confirm that she had been cheating on her husband with [[Kick]] livestreamer [[GoonerGooch]].		On January 4, 2025 Destiny confirms that Lav is divorced, and had been broken up with her boyfriend since around April, 2024. <ref> https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2025-01-04T05%3A44%3A50.501Z&username=destiny </ref> Destiny goes on to confirm that she had been cheating on her husband with [[Kick]] livestreamer [[GoonerGooch]].

	== Notable Clips, videos, logs, tweets, and Reddit Threads ==		== Notable Clips, videos, logs, tweets, and Reddit Threads ==

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	=== Destiny shouts at Lav in a panel addressing MrGirl allegations by Chaeiry ===		=== Destiny shouts at Lav in a panel addressing MrGirl allegations by Chaeiry ===
			{{disambiguation \|Main Article: [[Destiny Addresses False Allegations Towards MrGirl]]}}
	[[File:MrgirlPantsDrama.png\|200px\|thumb\|Right\|MrGirl adjusting his pants mid-conversation with Chaeiry]]		[[File:MrgirlPantsDrama.png\|200px\|thumb\|Right\|MrGirl adjusting his pants mid-conversation with Chaeiry]]

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	'''Lea Jane''', also known as '''LavLune'''—or more commonly '''Lav'''—is a singer, TikTok content creator, feminist and <s>former</s> <s>current</s> <s>former</s> <s>soon-to-be</s> current OnlyFans content creator. She gained notoriety as one of the most contentious [[:Category:Orbiters\| orbiters]] to appear on [[Destiny]]'s stream.		'''Lea Jane''', also known as '''LavLune'''—or more commonly '''Lav'''—is a singer, TikTok content creator, feminist and <s>former</s> <s>current</s> <s>former</s> <s>soon-to-be</s> current OnlyFans content creator. She gained notoriety as one of the most contentious [[:Category:Orbiters\| orbiters]] to appear on [[Destiny]]'s stream.
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	</ref> Destiny found this very amusing as Lex even shared this sentiment with [[Melina]](who was not very fond of Lav at the time).		</ref> Destiny found this very amusing as Lex even shared this sentiment with [[Melina]] (who was not very fond of Lav at the time).

	=== Lav and Melina fire shots at one another on their streams ===		=== Lav and Melina fire shots at one another on their streams ===
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	\|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHY0V2QQeKY		\|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHY0V2QQeKY
	}} </ref> The panel members primarily discussed issues involving challenges in the black community, including fatherlessness, racial dynamics, and the impact of economic factors on family structures. Throughout the conversation, personal attacks and accusations of racism were frequently levied by both sides of the panel. Annalicia and Lav were of the opinion that black men made poor fathers, and that black men were more or less detrimental to the success of black women. The two frequently backed each others viewpoints as they debated against several of the aforementioned orbiters. Frequently throughout the panel, Annalicia would be asked a pointed question regarding her position, Lav would chime in before Annalicia could speak, and a panel member would tell Lav to let Annalicia speak. The panel eventually devolved into a shouting match between several black members of the panel, as Annalicia vehemently defended her points against Fanatiq, Tree, and Anti (a black ~~phd~~ student).		}} </ref> The panel members primarily discussed issues involving challenges in the black community, including fatherlessness, racial dynamics, and the impact of economic factors on family structures. Throughout the conversation, personal attacks and accusations of racism were frequently levied by both sides of the panel. Annalicia and Lav were of the opinion that black men made poor fathers, and that black men were more or less detrimental to the success of black women. The two frequently backed each others viewpoints as they debated against several of the aforementioned orbiters. Frequently throughout the panel, Annalicia would be asked a pointed question regarding her position, Lav would chime in before Annalicia could speak, and a panel member would tell Lav to let Annalicia speak. The panel eventually devolved into a shouting match between several black members of the panel, as Annalicia vehemently defended her points against Fanatiq, Tree, and Anti (a black PhD student).

	During the panel, Lav cited incarceration statistics of black men and crime rates as reasons for them being poor fathers. She also recommended that Straighterade should trust and listen to Anna's experience as a black woman. This led 4THOT to introduce a black female therapist, Alice Jay, who took issue with Lav's views on absent black fathers, arguing the absenteeism was not as frequent as Lav claimed. Lav dismissed Alice's perspective, claiming she only saw privileged clients. Alice counters, pointing to her work in an underserved area, and mentioned many of her patients are on Medicaid. Despite this, Lav insisted that these individuals are still privileged and niche. Lav proceeds to share her upbringing in Englewood, California, surrounded by black people, and noted that none of them recognized mental illnesses in their children, and would likely never have taken them to a therapist such as Alice. Straighterade then points to the irony of Lav speaking condescendingly to a black woman, shortly after affirming the authority of black women on this subject.		During the panel, Lav cited incarceration statistics of black men and crime rates as reasons for them being poor fathers. She also recommended that Straighterade should trust and listen to Anna's experience as a black woman. This led 4THOT to introduce a black female therapist, Alice Jay, who took issue with Lav's views on absent black fathers, arguing the absenteeism was not as frequent as Lav claimed. Lav dismissed Alice's perspective, claiming she only saw privileged clients. Alice counters, pointing to her work in an underserved area, and mentioned many of her patients are on Medicaid. Despite this, Lav insisted that these individuals are still privileged and niche. Lav proceeds to share her upbringing in Englewood, California, surrounded by black people, and noted that none of them recognized mental illnesses in their children, and would likely never have taken them to a therapist such as Alice. Straighterade then points to the irony of Lav speaking condescendingly to a black woman, shortly after affirming the authority of black women on this subject.

	At some point, Tree of Logic joins the stream. She begrudgingly agrees with an opinion given by Fanatic, that black women have all the agency with regards to "who makes the babies". This results in a debate between Annalicia (backed by Lav), Tree of Logic, and the other members of the panel. The debate unfortunately gets heavily mired by Annalicia's refusal to define what a "pookie" and "ray-ray" are, which results in the two becoming incredibly heated early on in their discussion. Annalicia eventually does define what a "pookie" and "ray-ray" are, describing them as these individuals that are going to school, getting educated, coming from good socioeconomic standings, yet are still leaving single mothers behind with other races (i.e. Asian, Hispanic, white). When pushed, Annalicia elaborates that 70% of black men fall under this category. Tree takes issue with this, and accuses Annalicia of not providing enough agency to black women with regards to partner selection. While Tree is giving her response, Lav stops her to inform Tree that her and Annalicia want the same thing: for black women to live more empowered lives. Annalicia disagrees with this characterization, and at one point calls Tree remedial (a ~~more pc version of the word "~~retarded"). Lav would then pause the two mid-conversation a second time to ask a question, to which Tree requests that Lav shut the fuck up. Lav then attempted to interrupt the conversation one more time to get the panel members to watch a video breaking down interracial marriages, but is shot down repeatedly. In an attempt to defend Annalicia, Lav accuses the other panel members of being unfair in their critiques and overly hostile to Annalicia. She would go on to suggest that Tree is in [https://libguides.library.cpp.edu/getout/sunkenplace#:~:text=Peele%20uses%20the%20symbolism%20of,for%20the%20history%20of%20slavery.\| "the sunken place"] and accuses Tree of letting a man "lead" her.		At some point, Tree of Logic joins the stream. She begrudgingly agrees with an opinion given by Fanatic, that black women have all the agency with regards to "who makes the babies". This results in a debate between Annalicia (backed by Lav), Tree of Logic, and the other members of the panel. The debate unfortunately gets heavily mired by Annalicia's refusal to define what a "pookie" and "ray-ray" are, which results in the two becoming incredibly heated early on in their discussion. Annalicia eventually does define what a "pookie" and "ray-ray" are, describing them as these individuals that are going to school, getting educated, coming from good socioeconomic standings, yet are still leaving single mothers behind with other races (i.e. Asian, Hispanic, white). When pushed, Annalicia elaborates that 70% of black men fall under this category. Tree takes issue with this, and accuses Annalicia of not providing enough agency to black women with regards to partner selection. While Tree is giving her response, Lav stops her to inform Tree that her and Annalicia want the same thing: for black women to live more empowered lives. Annalicia disagrees with this characterization, and at one point calls Tree 'remedial' (meant to be a politically correct way to call someone retarded). Lav would then pause the two mid-conversation a second time to ask a question, to which Tree requests that Lav shut the fuck up. Lav then attempted to interrupt the conversation one more time to get the panel members to watch a video breaking down interracial marriages, but is shot down repeatedly. In an attempt to defend Annalicia, Lav accuses the other panel members of being unfair in their critiques and overly hostile to Annalicia. She would go on to suggest that Tree is in [https://libguides.library.cpp.edu/getout/sunkenplace#:~:text=Peele%20uses%20the%20symbolism%20of,for%20the%20history%20of%20slavery.\| "the sunken place"] and accuses Tree of letting a man "lead" her.

	Much like her previous appearance with JiDeon and Low Tier God, Lav was met with much criticism on r/Destiny as a result of her debate performance. Once again some posts depicted Lav in black face, while others took a more tempered approach to their critiques of Lav.<ref> https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/yp84vl/lav_needs_to_not_be_involved_in_discussions_about/ </ref>		Much like her previous appearance with JiDeon and Low Tier God, Lav was met with much criticism on r/Destiny as a result of her debate performance. Once again some posts depicted Lav in black face, while others took a more tempered approach to their critiques of Lav.<ref> https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/yp84vl/lav_needs_to_not_be_involved_in_discussions_about/ </ref>
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	* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=5494 1:31:34] Annalicia becomes noticeably more angry as Tree presses her to define who "pookie" and "ray-ray" are.		* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=5494 1:31:34] Annalicia becomes noticeably more angry as Tree presses her to define who "pookie" and "ray-ray" are.
	* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=5546 1:32:26] Annalicia defines what a "pookie" and "ray-ray" are. She states that pookie and ray-ray are going to school, getting educated, coming from good socioeconomic standings, yet are still leaving single mothers behind with all races (i.e. Asian, Hispanic, white). When pushed, Annalicia elaborates that 70% of black men fall under this category. Tree takes issue with this, and accuses Annalicia of not providing enough agency to black women with regards to partner selection.		* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=5546 1:32:26] Annalicia defines what a "pookie" and "ray-ray" are. She states that pookie and ray-ray are going to school, getting educated, coming from good socioeconomic standings, yet are still leaving single mothers behind with all races (i.e. Asian, Hispanic, white). When pushed, Annalicia elaborates that 70% of black men fall under this category. Tree takes issue with this, and accuses Annalicia of not providing enough agency to black women with regards to partner selection.
	* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=5711 1:35:11] Lav requests permission to ask a question, Destiny shoots her down, but Tree allows her to ask anyways. Lav informs Tree that her and Annalicia want the same thing, for black women to live more empowered lives. Annalicia and Tree disagree with this acterization. Annalicia at one point calls Tree of Logic "remedial"(a ~~somewhat PC version of the word~~ retarded), and states it is very difficult for a black women to be able to "vet" partners.		* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=5711 1:35:11] Lav requests permission to ask a question, Destiny shoots her down, but Tree allows her to ask anyways. Lav informs Tree that her and Annalicia want the same thing, for black women to live more empowered lives. Annalicia and Tree disagree with this acterization. Annalicia at one point calls Tree of Logic 'remedial' (meant to be a politically correct way to call someone retarded), and states it is very difficult for a black women to be able to "vet" partners.
	* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=5938 1:38:58] Annalicia laments black women historically never being in a position to "ask for too much" with regards to their partners.		* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=5938 1:38:58] Annalicia laments black women historically never being in a position to "ask for too much" with regards to their partners.
	* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=6006 1:40:06] Tree states she has never complained about an ex-relationship all her life, Annalicia takes issue with this and attempts to interrupt her several times. Annalicia handwaves Tree's arguments as useless personal anecdotes, and argues that her experiences are the exception not the rule.		* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=6006 1:40:06] Tree states she has never complained about an ex-relationship all her life, Annalicia takes issue with this and attempts to interrupt her several times. Annalicia handwaves Tree's arguments as useless personal anecdotes, and argues that her experiences are the exception not the rule.
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	* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=7875 2:11:15] After several interruptions, Fanatiq informs Annalicia she has two minutes to finish her point. Annalicia retorts that Fanatiq cannot tell her what she has. Lav jumps in and states she needs to play her video for the panel.		* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=7875 2:11:15] After several interruptions, Fanatiq informs Annalicia she has two minutes to finish her point. Annalicia retorts that Fanatiq cannot tell her what she has. Lav jumps in and states she needs to play her video for the panel.
	* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=7959 2:12:39] Fanatiq repeatedly shouts the phrase "as I remember."		* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=7959 2:12:39] Fanatiq repeatedly shouts the phrase "as I remember."
	* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=8122 2:15:22] Anti, a black male with a ~~PHD~~, joins the panel. He contends that black men are not achieving the same education rates as women due to higher incarceration rates.		* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=8122 2:15:22] Anti, a black male with a PhD, joins the panel. He contends that black men are not achieving the same education rates as women due to higher incarceration rates.
	* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=8384 2:19:44] Annalicia sarcastically states that black men are victims, and concludes they are incapable of not commiting crime, and raising children.		* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=8384 2:19:44] Annalicia sarcastically states that black men are victims, and concludes they are incapable of not commiting crime, and raising children.
	* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=8773 2:26:13] The panel completely derails as the black members on the panel talk over each other.		* [https://youtu.be/CHY0V2QQeKY?t=8773 2:26:13] The panel completely derails as the black members on the panel talk over each other.
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	The discussion continues, and Lav discusses her grievances with Destiny's moderation team, initially focusing on her conflicts with 4THOT and her subsequent ban from the subreddit. She then discusses an interaction with [[RightToBearArmsLOL]], who, according to her, messaged her concerning her accusation of antisemitism directed at Aba. She alleges that RightToBearArmsLOL warned her about a potential ban if she "weaponizes her Jewishness against Aba again." When Destiny reviews these messages, he comments that their content doesn't seem as serious as Lav had portrayed. Destiny proceeds to outline the "abuser-tactic" MrGirl utilizes to convince Lav.		The discussion continues, and Lav discusses her grievances with Destiny's moderation team, initially focusing on her conflicts with 4THOT and her subsequent ban from the subreddit. She then discusses an interaction with [[RightToBearArmsLOL]], who, according to her, messaged her concerning her accusation of antisemitism directed at Aba. She alleges that RightToBearArmsLOL warned her about a potential ban if she "weaponizes her Jewishness against Aba again." When Destiny reviews these messages, he comments that their content doesn't seem as serious as Lav had portrayed. Destiny proceeds to outline the "abuser-tactic" MrGirl utilizes to convince Lav.

	{{blockquote\|quote="If you're trying to convince somebody to do something, that they're kind of half in on, that you kind of want them to do... usually when people are trying to seal the deal... the goal of most people is to push them all the way to be fully on board with this (~~aka~~ full commitment to an action), that's what you want to push them towards. But if you wanna be really manipulative, the real goal is to have them emotionally roped in enough so that you have them right here (bordering on acceptance of committing an action), and then as soon as you know you've got them, you pull back completely, and then you go hands-off, and then you let them argue the rest of the way so they feel like they're the ones who are moving themselves this way (fully bought in). It lets you remove full responsibility from the decision later."\|name=Destiny\|source=https://youtu.be/jliRjf10v3g?t=3172}}		{{blockquote\|quote="If you're trying to convince somebody to do something, that they're kind of half in on, that you kind of want them to do... usually when people are trying to seal the deal... the goal of most people is to push them all the way to be fully on board with this (AKA full commitment to an action), that's what you want to push them towards. But if you wanna be really manipulative, the real goal is to have them emotionally roped in enough so that you have them right here (bordering on acceptance of committing an action), and then as soon as you know you've got them, you pull back completely, and then you go hands-off, and then you let them argue the rest of the way so they feel like they're the ones who are moving themselves this way (fully bought in). It lets you remove full responsibility from the decision later."\|name=Destiny\|source=https://youtu.be/jliRjf10v3g?t=3172}}

	[[File:LavMrgirlCryingOutline.png\|300px\|thumb\|left\|Destiny outlining how MrGirl convinced Lav into leaving his orbit. The left line is "acceptance of a given action" and the right line is "being fully bought into a given action".]]		[[File:LavMrgirlCryingOutline.png\|300px\|thumb\|left\|Destiny outlining how MrGirl convinced Lav into leaving his orbit. The left line is "acceptance of a given action" and the right line is "being fully bought into a given action".]]

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	'''Lea Jane''', also known as '''LavLune'''—or more commonly '''Lav'''—is a singer, TikTok content creator, feminist and <s>former</s> <s>current</s> <s>former</s> <s>soon-to-be</s> current OnlyFans content creator. She gained notoriety as one of the most contentious [[:Category:Orbiters\| orbiters]] to appear on [[Destiny]]'s stream.		'''Lea Jane''', also known as '''LavLune'''—or more commonly '''Lav'''—is a singer, TikTok content creator, feminist and <s>former</s> <s>current</s> <s>former</s> <s>soon-to-be</s> current OnlyFans content creator. She gained notoriety as one of the most contentious [[:Category:Orbiters\| orbiters]] to appear on [[Destiny]]'s stream.
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	The discussion continues, and Lav discusses her grievances with Destiny's moderation team, initially focusing on her conflicts with 4THOT and her subsequent ban from the subreddit. She then discusses an interaction with [[RightToBearArmsLOL]], who, according to her, messaged her concerning her accusation of antisemitism directed at Aba. She alleges that RightToBearArmsLOL warned her about a potential ban if she "weaponizes her Jewishness against Aba again." When Destiny reviews these messages, he comments that their content doesn't seem as serious as Lav had portrayed. Destiny proceeds to outline the "abuser-tactic" MrGirl utilizes to convince Lav.		The discussion continues, and Lav discusses her grievances with Destiny's moderation team, initially focusing on her conflicts with 4THOT and her subsequent ban from the subreddit. She then discusses an interaction with [[RightToBearArmsLOL]], who, according to her, messaged her concerning her accusation of antisemitism directed at Aba. She alleges that RightToBearArmsLOL warned her about a potential ban if she "weaponizes her Jewishness against Aba again." When Destiny reviews these messages, he comments that their content doesn't seem as serious as Lav had portrayed. Destiny proceeds to outline the "abuser-tactic" MrGirl utilizes to convince Lav.

	"If you're trying to convince somebody to do something, that they're kind of half in on, that you kind of want them to do... usually when people are trying to seal the deal... the goal of most people is to push them all the way to be fully on board with this (aka full commitment to an action), that's what you want to push them towards. But if you wanna be really manipulative, the real goal is to have them emotionally roped in enough so that you have them right here (bordering on acceptance of committing an action), and then as soon as you know you've got them, you pull back completely, and then you go hands-off, and then you let them argue the rest of the way so they feel like they're the ones who are moving themselves this way (fully bought in). It lets you remove full responsibility from the decision later."-Destiny ~~outlining how MrGirl convinced Lav [~~https://youtu.be/jliRjf10v3g?t=3172 ~~52:52]~~		{{blockquote\|quote="If you're trying to convince somebody to do something, that they're kind of half in on, that you kind of want them to do... usually when people are trying to seal the deal... the goal of most people is to push them all the way to be fully on board with this (aka full commitment to an action), that's what you want to push them towards. But if you wanna be really manipulative, the real goal is to have them emotionally roped in enough so that you have them right here (bordering on acceptance of committing an action), and then as soon as you know you've got them, you pull back completely, and then you go hands-off, and then you let them argue the rest of the way so they feel like they're the ones who are moving themselves this way (fully bought in). It lets you remove full responsibility from the decision later."\|name=Destiny\|source=https://youtu.be/jliRjf10v3g?t=3172}}

	[[File:LavMrgirlCryingOutline.png\|300px\|thumb\|left\|Destiny outlining how MrGirl convinced Lav into leaving his orbit. The left line is "acceptance of a given action" and the right line is "being fully bought into a given action".]]		[[File:LavMrgirlCryingOutline.png\|300px\|thumb\|left\|Destiny outlining how MrGirl convinced Lav into leaving his orbit. The left line is "acceptance of a given action" and the right line is "being fully bought into a given action".]]
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	"He (MrGirl) has built up this idea that I have essentially the following fetish: I approach a women, float the idea of her being on my stream, I fuck them, then I bring her on stream and I have my entire fan base attack her because I get off on that, and then I run her out of my community. He's built this narrative after farming REDACTED for information... He's trying to find every other girl that i've spoken to, to see if he could get similar stories out of them." -Destiny		{{blockquote\|quote="He (MrGirl) has built up this idea that I have essentially the following fetish: I approach a women, float the idea of her being on my stream, I fuck them, then I bring her on stream and I have my entire fan base attack her because I get off on that, and then I run her out of my community. He's built this narrative after farming REDACTED for information... He's trying to find every other girl that i've spoken to, to see if he could get similar stories out of them."\|name=Destiny}}

	Destiny goes on to explain Lav's part in this manifesto, describing how she had revealed that destiny and her had hooked-up to MrGirl. Destiny goes on to explain his annoyance with Lav accusing him of only defending certain individuals because they hooked-up, despite the fact that he had hooked-up with her. Destiny returns focus to MrGirl and lists off what he knows about MrGirl investigative efforts:		Destiny goes on to explain Lav's part in this manifesto, describing how she had revealed that destiny and her had hooked-up to MrGirl. Destiny goes on to explain his annoyance with Lav accusing him of only defending certain individuals because they hooked-up, despite the fact that he had hooked-up with her. Destiny returns focus to MrGirl and lists off what he knows about MrGirl investigative efforts:
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	==== Destiny addresses Lav's allegations ====		==== Destiny addresses Lav's allegations ====
	Shortly after MrGirl leaves, Destiny diverts more attention towards Lav. One of Lav's primary allegations towards Destiny, was likening him to Harvey Weinstein. He comments that Lav and MrGirl share the same views about his alleged 'fetish' and his behavior as a manipulative abuser. He goes on to remark that Lav has been obsessed with MrGirl for months, and will agree with whatever he says. Destiny believes Lav was easily manipulated by MrGirl through the following tactic:		Shortly after MrGirl leaves, Destiny diverts more attention towards Lav. One of Lav's primary allegations towards Destiny, was likening him to Harvey Weinstein. He comments that Lav and MrGirl share the same views about his alleged 'fetish' and his behavior as a manipulative abuser. He goes on to remark that Lav has been obsessed with MrGirl for months, and will agree with whatever he says. Destiny believes Lav was easily manipulated by MrGirl through the following tactic:
	"If you apply enough pressure to somebody, when you let up off that pressure, it's always gonna feel good... This is like the classic good-cop, bad-cop played by one person... you (MrGirl) do this in every conversation you do, you always try to get someone to the edge of crying, and then once they're crying, you ease up on all the pressure, you have a nice moment of silence so they can reflect and process their emotions, and then you reenage in a more calm manner afterwards... you're almost having sex with them mentally, and now they trust you a little more." - Destiny [https://youtu.be/GNLNmDQOdYE?t=6797 ~~1:53:17]~~		{{blockquote\|quote="If you apply enough pressure to somebody, when you let up off that pressure, it's always gonna feel good... This is like the classic good-cop, bad-cop played by one person... you (MrGirl) do this in every conversation you do, you always try to get someone to the edge of crying, and then once they're crying, you ease up on all the pressure, you have a nice moment of silence so they can reflect and process their emotions, and then you reenage in a more calm manner afterwards... you're almost having sex with them mentally, and now they trust you a little more."\|name=Destiny\|source=https://youtu.be/GNLNmDQOdYE?t=6797}}

	At one point Lav accuses Destiny (from her stream), of being a hypocrite when calling MrGirl a narcissist. Destiny retorts that Lav has little people experience, does not know what the word means, and is a very easy person to manipulate. He qualifies that he does not blame Lav for succumbing to MrGirl's tactics, but is still hurt as he confided in Lav much personally. Destiny admits he would've waited longer to address MrGirl's pending manifesto, however Lav "going crazy on stream" prompted him to take action sooner. Destiny considers barring all low-viewer streamers from appearing on his platform. He admits that he expected Lav to handle some of the criticism better, given her significant online presence before their meeting. Destiny eventually concludes he will be doing a content ban on both MrGirl and Lav.		At one point Lav accuses Destiny (from her stream), of being a hypocrite when calling MrGirl a narcissist. Destiny retorts that Lav has little people experience, does not know what the word means, and is a very easy person to manipulate. He qualifies that he does not blame Lav for succumbing to MrGirl's tactics, but is still hurt as he confided in Lav much personally. Destiny admits he would've waited longer to address MrGirl's pending manifesto, however Lav "going crazy on stream" prompted him to take action sooner. Destiny considers barring all low-viewer streamers from appearing on his platform. He admits that he expected Lav to handle some of the criticism better, given her significant online presence before their meeting. Destiny eventually concludes he will be doing a content ban on both MrGirl and Lav.
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	After jstlk holds firm in his refusal to give Lav moderation privileges, Lav breaks down in tears and Destiny jokes he has to turn off his camera in order to pleasure himself. The video progresses, and Lav accuses jstlk of being kind to her in private messages, but cold to her on stream. Destiny pauses the vod and remarks that this is the exact same criticism Lav had attempted to levy towards himself in the past, and warns jstlk to be careful. The video continues, and Lav states she has "very little self control because I get so angry", and requests that jstlk "tell people to stop". Destiny then points out Lav's "manipulation tactic":		After jstlk holds firm in his refusal to give Lav moderation privileges, Lav breaks down in tears and Destiny jokes he has to turn off his camera in order to pleasure himself. The video progresses, and Lav accuses jstlk of being kind to her in private messages, but cold to her on stream. Destiny pauses the vod and remarks that this is the exact same criticism Lav had attempted to levy towards himself in the past, and warns jstlk to be careful. The video continues, and Lav states she has "very little self control because I get so angry", and requests that jstlk "tell people to stop". Destiny then points out Lav's "manipulation tactic":
	"Oh my god, how can she be this fucking stupid! If you want to be a master-manipulator women...here's what you need to do... you should be forced to live for like one year in an average women's body... or a guy's body... because men and plain women have to work hard on their manipulative tactics. But Lav's manipulation is okay... but then she just compensates with looking pretty and shipping nudes to everybody. Absent those last two things, if a guy is not desperate for her, or if she doesn't have a guy under her thumb because she's shipping them nudes, she is like nothing, and then she has an absolute meltdown... Stop being an asshole to everybody, stop being a massive cunt to everybody in chat, stop shipping your nudes to people in channels over and over again and shitting on them for their appearance... you can't be so aggressive and cry over it." - Destiny [https://youtu.be/ZW2MX2CibYI?t=1680 ~~28:00]"~~		{{blockquote\|quote="Oh my god, how can she be this fucking stupid! If you want to be a master-manipulator women...here's what you need to do... you should be forced to live for like one year in an average women's body... or a guy's body... because men and plain women have to work hard on their manipulative tactics. But Lav's manipulation is okay... but then she just compensates with looking pretty and shipping nudes to everybody. Absent those last two things, if a guy is not desperate for her, or if she doesn't have a guy under her thumb because she's shipping them nudes, she is like nothing, and then she has an absolute meltdown... Stop being an asshole to everybody, stop being a massive cunt to everybody in chat, stop shipping your nudes to people in channels over and over again and shitting on them for their appearance... you can't be so aggressive and cry over it."\|name=Destiny\|source=https://youtu.be/ZW2MX2CibYI?t=1680}}

	Destiny then states that Lav is attempting to externalize reasons for jstlk not giving her mod by implying jstlk has no autonomy, and is being pressured by outside forces (jstlk eventually states he was receiving no dms during this conversation).		Destiny then states that Lav is attempting to externalize reasons for jstlk not giving her mod by implying jstlk has no autonomy, and is being pressured by outside forces (jstlk eventually states he was receiving no dms during this conversation).

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	=== Lav debates on the Playing With Fire channel ===		=== Lav debates on the Playing With Fire channel ===
	On November 9, 2022, Lav joined [[~~Playing_With_Fire\|~~Playing with ~~Fire~~]]~~(AKA Alex)~~ to debate a wide range of contemporary social and personal issues. <ref> LavLune Debate - “You Have A Mental Disease.” (November 9, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved January 16, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSw_1n-FMyQ </ref>		On November 9, 2022, Lav joined [[Playing with fire\|Alex]] to debate a wide range of contemporary social and personal issues. <ref> LavLune Debate - “You Have A Mental Disease.” (November 9, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved January 16, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSw_1n-FMyQ </ref>

	=== Destiny requests a timeline of Lav's lies ===		=== Destiny requests a timeline of Lav's lies ===