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	~~====~~ Crimea ~~====~~		'''Crimea'''
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	With regards to Crimea, Ana explains that the peninsula {{wiki\|Declaration_of_Independence_of_Ukraine\|voted in 1991}} to be part of an independent Ukraine, and that the "invasion" Lactoid referenced was Ukraine's response to a 1995 attempt by the separatist {{wiki\|Yuriy Meshkov}} to undermine Ukrainian authority from within. She further adds that a {{wiki\|Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty\|1997 treaty}} gave Russia 80% control of the Black Sea Fleet and unrestricted use of its bases and ports in Crimea. Ana further explains that the treaty only asked that Russia respect Ukrainian sovereignty in return. She contends that this flies in the face of Lactoid's claim that Russia's access to Sevastopol was ever threatened.		With regards to Crimea, Ana explains that the peninsula {{wiki\|Declaration_of_Independence_of_Ukraine\|voted in 1991}} to be part of an independent Ukraine, and that the "invasion" Lactoid referenced was Ukraine's response to a 1995 attempt by the separatist {{wiki\|Yuriy Meshkov}} to undermine Ukrainian authority from within. She further adds that a {{wiki\|Ukrainian_Friendship_Treaty\|1997 treaty}} gave Russia 80% control of the Black Sea Fleet and unrestricted use of its bases and ports in Crimea. Ana further explains that the treaty only asked that Russia respect Ukrainian sovereignty in return. She contends that this flies in the face of Lactoid's claim that Russia's access to Sevastopol was ever threatened.

	~~====~~ Euromaidan and Yanukovych's removal ~~====~~		'''Euromaidan and Yanukovych's removal'''
	<small>[https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=3004 50:04]</small>		<small>[https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=3004 50:04]</small>

	In response to Lactoid claiming that {{wiki\|Viktor Yanukovych\|Yanukovych}} fled the nation after being randomly shot at, Ana takes great issue. She argues that Yanukovych fled because he had violated everything, killed hundreds of protesters, and faced three months of revolution against him. She points out that he was shot at while already on his way to Russia, and that he was not present in the {{wiki\|Verkhovna Rada}} when the vote to remove him took place.		In response to Lactoid claiming that {{wiki\|Viktor Yanukovych\|Yanukovych}} fled the nation after being randomly shot at, Ana takes great issue. She argues that Yanukovych fled because he had violated everything, killed hundreds of protesters, and faced three months of revolution against him. She points out that he was shot at while already on his way to Russia, and that he was not present in the {{wiki\|Verkhovna Rada}} when the vote to remove him took place.

	~~====~~ NATO's intervention in Serbia ~~====~~		'''NATO's intervention in Serbia'''
	<small>[https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=2887 48:07]</small>		<small>[https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=2887 48:07]</small>

	When Lactoid attempts to draw a comparison to {{wiki\|NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia\|NATO's intervention in Serbia}}, she asserts that NATO's intervention halted an ongoing genocide, took no territory, and left no occupying force (unlike Russia's annexation of Ukrainian land).		When Lactoid attempts to draw a comparison to {{wiki\|NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia\|NATO's intervention in Serbia}}, she asserts that NATO's intervention halted an ongoing genocide, took no territory, and left no occupying force (unlike Russia's annexation of Ukrainian land).

	~~====~~ Abduction of Ukrainian children ~~====~~		'''Abduction of Ukrainian children'''
	<small>[https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=3649 1:00:49]</small>		<small>[https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=3649 1:00:49]</small>

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	On January 9, 2026 Ana appeared on Destiny's stream to discuss {{wiki\|2026_United_States_intervention_in_Venezuela\|the capture}} of incumbent Venezuelan president {{wiki\|Nicolás Maduro}}, and the current political climate.<ref>{{cite		On January 6, 2026 Ana appeared on Destiny's stream to discuss {{wiki\|2026_United_States_intervention_in_Venezuela\|the capture}} of incumbent Venezuelan president {{wiki\|Nicolás Maduro}}, and the current political climate.<ref>{{cite
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			* [https://youtu.be/olv-eLAC1Qs?t=47 0:47] Ana joins the stream and asks Destiny for his take on the {{wiki\|2026_United_States_intervention_in_Venezuela\|Venezuela operation}}. Destiny responds that while Maduro is a horrible individual, he believes that Trump's foreign policy has no coherent vision, and invading a country to arrest its leader over drug charges is idiotic.
			* [https://youtu.be/olv-eLAC1Qs?t=160 2:40] Ana points to the atrocities committed by Maduro including: a stolen election, several protesters run over, 18,000 individuals executed, and eight million individuals who have fled the country. Destiny agrees, but argues any intervention should be at the behest of an international coalition (e.g. UN or NATO), not an off-the-cuff decision undertaken by the White House unilaterally.
			* [https://youtu.be/olv-eLAC1Qs?t=239 3:59] Destiny brings up Iraq and discussses how (despite being misguided) was driven by an ideological interest in spreading democracy and done with a vote and a coalition. Ana partially agrees, but points to America's poor nation-building track-record.
			* [https://youtu.be/olv-eLAC1Qs?t=308 5:08] Ana laments leftists defending Maduro as a legitimately elected socialist while simultaneously talking down to celebrating Venezuelans following his kidnapping. She also critiques the liberal response of "Maduro was bad, but not like this", and warnings about the the US not having Venezuelans' best interests at heart (arguing third-worlders already know this).
			* [https://youtu.be/olv-eLAC1Qs?t=391 6:31] Ana argues international law has never restrained anyone, especially not in Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, or Syria. Destiny counters that international law is a building block for coalitions and eroding it would be at the cost of a nation's "moral authority".
			* [https://youtu.be/olv-eLAC1Qs?t=497 8:17] Destiny explains that as sad as the response has been for Ukraine, there could have been no money transfers, or any support at all for the country. He goes on to argue that if Russia invaded Ukraine today, the US would have no standing to object to one country invading a sovereign state as the rest of the world would say "you literally just did this".
			* [https://youtu.be/olv-eLAC1Qs?t=550 9:10] Ana rejects Destiny's comparison, and argues that no cities have been bulldozed in Venezuela, nor any territories occupied unlike in Ukraine.
			* [https://youtu.be/olv-eLAC1Qs?t=596 9:56] Ana asks Destiny if he would begrudge Venezuelans celebrating the abduction of Maduro. Destiny responds that he would not, and draws a comparison to individuals being happy that Saddam Hussein was removed. He caveats that just because the individuals in a country may be content with the change (or elimination) of current leadership, does not mean any one nation should take it upon themselves to unilaterally interfere in a foreign nation.
			* [https://youtu.be/olv-eLAC1Qs?t=651 10:51] Destiny notes Trump made the decision unilaterally without Congress's knowledge, for his own personal, perverted reasons. He continues, arguing that Trump did so without "even the veneer" of democracy for Venezuelans as he left the vice president in charge rather than the opposition that rightfully won the election. Ana agrees, but says she'd rather see critics focus on that instead of "international law" takes claiming that Maduro was legitimate.
			* [https://youtu.be/olv-eLAC1Qs?t=697 11:37] Ana laments {{wiki\|Kyle Kulinski}}'s posting of {{wiki\|Code Pink}}, to which Destiny agrees and asserts that Kulinski's foreign policy takes are always "absolute dog shit".
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	=== 03-11-2026 Destiny Chats With Ukrainian Ana, Reacts To The Origins Of Putin Madness and Hasan ===		=== 03-11-2026 Destiny Chats With Ukrainian Ana, Reacts To The Origins Of Putin Madness and Hasan ===

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	}}</ref> Throughout Destiny's reaction, Ana pops in and out of stream to fact check and critique several of the positions presented by Lactoid. Namely, Ana corrects his account of Crimea's history, disputes his presentation of Euromaidan and Yanukovych's removal, rejects his comparison of NATO's intervention in Serbia to Russia's invasion, and heavily critiques his defense of Russia's abduction of Ukrainian children.		}}</ref> Throughout Destiny's reaction, Ana pops in and out of stream to fact check and critique several of the positions presented by Lactoid. Namely, Ana corrects his account of Crimea's history, disputes his presentation of Euromaidan and {{wiki\|Yanukovych}}’s removal, rejects his comparison of NATO's intervention in Serbia to Russia's invasion, and heavily critiques his defense of {{wiki\|Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war\|Russia's abduction of Ukrainian children}}.

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	Finally, when Lactoid defends {{wiki\|Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war\|Russia's abduction of Ukrainian children}} as the rescue of orphans from combat zones, Ana argues that Lactoid is engaging in a form of genocide denial. She points out that the children became orphans in the first place as a result of Russia killing their parents. She adds that most of these orphans have parents and grandparents applying for their return, but are having immense difficulty as the children are being renamed. She further notes that the {{wiki\|International Criminal Court\|ICC}} issued war-crime warrants for {{wiki\|Vladimir Putin}} and {{wiki\|Maria Lvova-Belova}} over the abductions.		Finally, when Lactoid defends {{wiki\|Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war\|Russia's abduction of Ukrainian children}} as the rescue of orphans from combat zones, Ana argues that Lactoid is engaging in a form of genocide denial. She points out that the children became orphans in the first place as a result of Russia killing their parents. She adds that most of these orphans have parents and grandparents applying for their return, but are having immense difficulty as the children are being renamed. She further notes that the {{wiki\|International Criminal Court\|ICC}} issued war-crime warrants for {{wiki\|Vladimir Putin}} and {{wiki\|Maria Lvova-Belova}} over the abductions.
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	Finally, when Lactoid defends Russia's abduction of Ukrainian children as the rescue of orphans from combat zones, Ana argues that Lactoid is engaging in a form of genocide denial. She points out that the children became orphans in the first place as a result of Russia killing their parents. She adds that most of these orphans have parents and grandparents applying for their return, but are having immense difficulty as the children are being renamed. She further notes that the {{wiki\|International Criminal Court\|ICC}} issued war-crime warrants for {{wiki\|Vladimir Putin}} and {{wiki\|Maria Lvova-Belova}} over the abductions.		Finally, when Lactoid defends {{wiki\|Child_abductions_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war\|Russia's abduction of Ukrainian children}} as the rescue of orphans from combat zones, Ana argues that Lactoid is engaging in a form of genocide denial. She points out that the children became orphans in the first place as a result of Russia killing their parents. She adds that most of these orphans have parents and grandparents applying for their return, but are having immense difficulty as the children are being renamed. She further notes that the {{wiki\|International Criminal Court\|ICC}} issued war-crime warrants for {{wiki\|Vladimir Putin}} and {{wiki\|Maria Lvova-Belova}} over the abductions.
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 * [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1266 21:06] In response to  Lactoid claiming the soldiers were the garrison already stationed at {{wiki|Sevastopol}} (the port Russia uses for Black Sea access), Destiny clarifies that the "little green men" were Russian soldiers from Russia proper that were airdropped or shipped in.
 * [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1306 21:46] Destiny responds with incredulity to Lactoid's claim that Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine for years.
-* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1562 26:02] Ana joins the call.
+* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1833 30:33] Destiny argues that even granting every pro-Russia premise presented by Lactoid, none of it would justify invading to take territory.
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			* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=0 0:00] The video begins with Destiny reacting to Whick's opening statement on why Ukraine should be supported. He asserts that Russia is a serial aggressor that won't stop if appeased, it rebuilds the U.S. industrial base for future conflicts, and weakens our enemies.
			* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=136 2:16] Lactoid gives his opening statement: He argues that the "David-vs-Goliath" framing of the war is a lie and that the conflict has cost hundreds of thousands of lives in service of an increasingly authoritarian Ukrainian government. He argues this same government was founded on an illegal 2014 coup and disenfranchised millions in the east. he further contends that Ukraine is losing ground daily despite Western funding.
			* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=153 2:33] While Lactoid is providing his opening statement, Destiny provides several critiques: that the "$200 billion" figure is inflated, that Lactoid is one of the worst-faith debaters online, and that the "illegal coup that disenfranchised the east" line is a recycled Russian propaganda talking point.
			* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=486 8:06] A chatter asks Destiny: "why do we just pre suppose that russias demands should be 100% accepted no matter what". Destiny responds that nobody actually believes that, and that Lactoid's real position (that he doesn't care about Ukraine or want to spend money on it's defense) is one he's too cowardly to state outright.
			* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=570 9:30] Destiny responds to Lactoid's "Coupe in Canada" hypothetical, and questions why the US would ever get involved in a situation such as that. When the Cuban Missile crisis is similarly mentioned, Destiny responds with equal incredulity as he argues that a real and true threat to the United States was present, and even then the US was only prepared to sink a few ships.
			* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=698 11:38] Whick asserts that the defense of Ukraine is in the United States' interest.
			* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=714 11:54] Destiny responds to a chatter asking about Lactoid's motivations and compares him to a zergling or ant with no independent reasoning. He explains that Lactoid's positions are post-hoc rationalizations of whatever Trump wills.
			* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=888 14:48] Destiny questions how much Whick prepared for this debate, and states that he seems nervous and under-rehearsed.
			* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=966 16:06] Whick discusses how the US has become an unreliable partner.
			* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1174 19:34] Lactoid and Whick debate over what happened in 2014; Whick explains that Russia sending "little green men" into Crimea, locking down parliament, and forcing the referendum vote.
			* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1266 21:06] Destiny clarifies that the "little green men" were Russian soldiers from Russia proper that were airdropped or shipped in in response to Lactoid claiming the soldiers were the garrison already stationed at {{wiki\|Sevastopol}} (the port Russia uses for Black Sea access).
			* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1306 21:46] Destiny responds with incredulity to Lactoid's claim that Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine for years.
			* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1562 26:02] Ana joins the call.
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	* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=0 0:00] The video begins with Destiny reacting to Whick's opening statement on why Ukraine should be supported. He asserts that Russia is a serial aggressor that won't stop if appeased~~, it~~ rebuilds the U.S. industrial base for future conflicts, and weakens ~~our~~ enemies.		* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=0 0:00] The video begins with Destiny reacting to Whick's opening statement on why Ukraine should be supported. Whick asserts that Russia is a serial aggressor that won't stop if appeased. He further contends that the war rebuilds the U.S. industrial base for future conflicts, and weakens the nation's enemies.
	* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=136 2:16] Lactoid gives his opening statement: He argues that the "David-vs-Goliath" framing of the war is a lie and that the conflict has cost hundreds of thousands of lives in service of an increasingly authoritarian Ukrainian government. He argues this same government was founded on an illegal 2014 coup and disenfranchised millions in the east. he further contends that Ukraine is losing ground daily despite Western funding.		* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=136 2:16] Lactoid gives his opening statement: He argues that the "David-vs-Goliath" framing of the war is a lie and that the conflict has cost hundreds of thousands of lives in service of an increasingly authoritarian Ukrainian government. He argues this same government was founded on an illegal 2014 coup and disenfranchised millions in the east. he further contends that Ukraine is losing ground daily despite Western funding.
	* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=153 2:33] While Lactoid is providing his opening statement, Destiny provides several critiques: that the "$200 billion" figure is inflated, that Lactoid is one of the worst-faith debaters online, and that the "illegal coup that disenfranchised the east" line is a recycled Russian propaganda talking point.		* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=153 2:33] While Lactoid is providing his opening statement, Destiny provides several critiques: that the "$200 billion" figure is inflated, that Lactoid is one of the worst-faith debaters online, and that the "illegal coup that disenfranchised the east" line is a recycled Russian propaganda talking point.
	* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=486 8:06] A chatter asks Destiny: "why do we just pre suppose that russias demands should be 100% accepted no matter what". Destiny responds that nobody actually believes that, and that Lactoid's real position (that he doesn't care about Ukraine or want to spend money on it's defense) is one he's too cowardly to state outright.		* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=486 8:06] A chatter asks Destiny: "why do we just pre suppose that russias demands should be 100% accepted no matter what". Destiny responds that nobody actually believes that, and that Lactoid's real position (that he doesn't care about Ukraine or want to spend money on it's defense) is one he's too cowardly to state outright.
	* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=570 9:30] Destiny responds to Lactoid's "~~Coupe~~ in Canada" hypothetical, and questions why the US would ever get involved in a situation such as that. When the Cuban Missile crisis is similarly mentioned, Destiny responds with equal incredulity as he argues that a real and true threat to the United States was present, and even then the US was only prepared to sink a few ships.		* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=570 9:30] Destiny responds to Lactoid's "Coup in Canada" hypothetical, and questions why the US would ever get involved in a situation such as that. When the Cuban Missile crisis is similarly mentioned, Destiny responds with equal incredulity as he argues that a real and true threat to the United States was present, and even then the nation was only prepared to sink a few ships.
	* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=698 11:38] Whick asserts that the defense of Ukraine is in the United States' interest.		* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=698 11:38] Whick asserts that the defense of Ukraine is in the United States' interest.
	* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=714 11:54] Destiny responds to a chatter asking about Lactoid's motivations and compares him to a zergling or ant with no independent reasoning. He explains that Lactoid's positions are post-hoc rationalizations of whatever Trump wills.		* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=714 11:54] Destiny responds to a chatter asking about Lactoid's motivations and compares him to a zergling or ant with no independent reasoning. He explains that Lactoid's positions are post-hoc rationalizations of whatever Trump wills.
	* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=888 14:48] Destiny questions how much Whick prepared for this debate, and states that he seems nervous and under-rehearsed.		* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=888 14:48] Destiny questions how much Whick prepared for this debate, and states that he seems nervous and under-rehearsed.
	* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=966 16:06] Whick discusses how the US has become an unreliable partner.		* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=966 16:06] Whick discusses how the US has become an unreliable partner.
	* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1174 19:34] Lactoid and Whick debate over what happened in 2014; Whick explains that Russia ~~sending~~ "little green men" into Crimea, ~~locking~~ down parliament, and ~~forcing~~ the referendum vote.		* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1174 19:34] Lactoid and Whick debate over what happened during the 2014 annexation of Crimea; Whick explains that Russia sent "little green men" into Crimea, locked down parliament, and forced the referendum vote.
	* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1266 21:06] ~~Destiny clarifies that the "little green men" were Russian soldiers from Russia proper that were airdropped or shipped in in~~ response to Lactoid claiming the soldiers were the garrison already stationed at {{wiki\|Sevastopol}} (the port Russia uses for Black Sea access).		* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1266 21:06] In response to Lactoid claiming the soldiers were the garrison already stationed at {{wiki\|Sevastopol}} (the port Russia uses for Black Sea access), Destiny clarifies that the "little green men" were Russian soldiers from Russia proper that were airdropped or shipped in.
	* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1306 21:46] Destiny responds with incredulity to Lactoid's claim that Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine for years.		* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1306 21:46] Destiny responds with incredulity to Lactoid's claim that Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine for years.
	* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1562 26:02] Ana joins the call.		* [https://youtu.be/EM9gzl0q3UQ?t=1562 26:02] Ana joins the call.
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