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 }} </ref> This conversation comes just months after ShitRedditSays had successfully pressured sponsors to get Destiny removed from {{wiki|ROOT Gaming}} in August 2012.<ref> {{cite
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 * [https://youtu.be/f0s0VdcjMn8?t=5772 1:36:12] '''Creepshots subreddit, morality/legality discussion''' Vaush states: "we believe our morality supersedes legality", Destiny cautions Vaush against this position. The two discuss SRS's campaign against the creepshots subreddit and the line between morality and legality, with Destiny arguing that the subreddit's immorality was never clearly established and that SRS's method of organizing mob pressure without providing explicit objective justification was unethical regardless of the target. Vaush counters that once you accept rape culture as an ideological framework(or the lack of consent associated with a "creepshot"), the wrongness of creepshots follows logically.
 * [https://youtu.be/f0s0VdcjMn8?t=6576 1:49:36] Destiny discusses the "difference
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	* [https://youtu.be/f0s0VdcjMn8?t=5772 1:36:12] '''Creepshots subreddit, morality/legality discussion''' Vaush states: "we believe our morality supersedes legality", Destiny cautions Vaush against this position. The two discuss SRS's campaign against the creepshots subreddit and the line between morality and legality, with Destiny arguing that the subreddit's immorality was never clearly established and that SRS's method of organizing mob pressure without providing explicit objective justification was unethical regardless of the target. Vaush counters that once you accept rape culture as an ideological framework(or the lack of consent associated with a "creepshot"), the wrongness of creepshots follows logically.		* [https://youtu.be/f0s0VdcjMn8?t=5772 1:36:12] '''Creepshots subreddit, morality/legality discussion''' Vaush states: "we believe our morality supersedes legality", Destiny cautions Vaush against this position. The two discuss SRS's campaign against the creepshots subreddit and the line between morality and legality, with Destiny arguing that the subreddit's immorality was never clearly established and that SRS's method of organizing mob pressure without providing explicit objective justification was unethical regardless of the target. Vaush counters that once you accept rape culture as an ideological framework(or the lack of consent associated with a "creepshot"), the wrongness of creepshots follows logically.
	* [https://youtu.be/f0s0VdcjMn8?t=6576 1:49:36] Destiny discusses the "difference		* [https://youtu.be/f0s0VdcjMn8?t=6576 1:49:36] Destiny discusses the "difference
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	=== 03-30-2015 Conversations with Irishladdie AKA Vaush===		=== 03-30-2015 Conversations with Irishladdie AKA Vaush===

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	\|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWdIVM9ZSX8		\|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWdIVM9ZSX8
	}}</ref> The goal of the arc was to "purge the toxicity from within", and move away from reactive/drama-driven content. During the stream, Vaush ~~express~~ his desire to move toward content that is more aligned with "affirmative community behavior", such as "making things" instead of constantly being forced to defend his actions or himself. Vaush explains that fighting any drama or preconceived notions against him would be a fruitless effort, given the fact that his detractors rarely, if ever, change their position on his character no matter how often he addresses such claims. He argues that the only logical way forward would be to give people a better narrative to focus on (aka a Fortress to admire) rather than attacking whatever notions they already held. <ref>{{cite		}}</ref> The goal of the arc was to "purge the toxicity from within", and move away from reactive/drama-driven content. During the stream, Vaush expressed his desire to move toward content that is more aligned with "affirmative community behavior", such as "making things" instead of constantly being forced to defend his actions or himself. Vaush explains that fighting any drama or preconceived notions against him would be a fruitless effort, given the fact that his detractors rarely, if ever, change their position on his character no matter how often he addresses such claims. He argues that the only logical way forward would be to give people a better narrative to focus on (aka a Fortress to admire) rather than attacking whatever notions they already held. <ref>{{cite
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	* [https://youtu.be/t1vX9vKWdB8?t=1000 16:40] Vaush cedes that while he is not a medical professional, he has witnessed individuals who went from large men, to slender trans-women following hormone treatment. He goes on to argue that following enough treatment, a transgender women would become physiologically similar to a cis-women. Destiny states that he would accept this is possible, but argues once more that if a study were present on the subject he would have read it at this point.		* [https://youtu.be/t1vX9vKWdB8?t=1000 16:40] Vaush cedes that while he is not a medical professional, he has witnessed individuals who went from large men, to slender trans-women following hormone treatment. He goes on to argue that following enough treatment, a transgender women would become physiologically similar to a cis-women. Destiny states that he would accept this is possible, but argues once more that if a study were present on the subject he would have read it at this point.
	* [https://youtu.be/t1vX9vKWdB8?t=1072 17:52] Destiny states that the default assumption should be that transgender women are meaningfully physiologically different than cis-women. Vaush argues in favor of an opposite default assumption and points to the physical prowess of cis-women. Destiny states once more that the physical ability of strong male athletes is much more different than strong female athletes.		* [https://youtu.be/t1vX9vKWdB8?t=1072 17:52] Destiny states that the default assumption should be that transgender women are meaningfully physiologically different than cis-women. Vaush argues in favor of an opposite default assumption and points to the physical prowess of cis-women. Destiny states once more that the physical ability of strong male athletes is much more different than strong female athletes.
	* [https://youtu.be/t1vX9vKWdB8?t=1193 19:53] Vaush laments how inactive SRS has become.		* [https://youtu.be/t1vX9vKWdB8?t=1193 19:53] Vaush laments how inactive SRS has become, the two discuss the present state of the subreddit for some time.
			* [https://youtu.be/t1vX9vKWdB8?t=1297 21:37] Vaush pushes back against the idea that transgender women are meaningfully different from cisgender women in competitive sports, stating: "athletes gonna athlete". Destiny disagrees, and the two discuss, but states he has no desire to speak on the topic until he has read further.
			* [https://youtu.be/t1vX9vKWdB8?t=1768 29:28] Destiny pulls up an article discussing the physiological differences between males and females, before closing out of it. Destiny then searches for an article relating to transgender women vs man athletes.
			* [https://youtu.be/t1vX9vKWdB8?t=1838 30:38] Vaush begins to explain the concept of gender dysphoria before Destiny cuts him off arguing that society has created a "bunch of words" to define things people already know.
			* [https://youtu.be/t1vX9vKWdB8?t=1877 31:17] Vaush and Destiny discuss the merits of engaging in conversation. Destiny being of the opinion that debates provide a way to sharpen one's arguments and either reinforce or redefine a belief one has. Vaush replies that he doesn't argue with people as much anymore.
			* [https://youtu.be/t1vX9vKWdB8?t=1931 32:11] Vaush brings up the subreddit Fat People Hate, and laments how no discourse has occurred surrounding the topic. Destiny argues that this mirrors several of the talking points found in their discussion on shit reddit says or gamergate, and laments the tendency of individuals to create strawmans to argue against.
			* [https://youtu.be/t1vX9vKWdB8?t=2064 34:24] Destiny points to individuals that simply wanted to see things change in gaming journalism and were subsequently labled as misogynists due to the worst aspects of the movement.
			* [https://youtu.be/t1vX9vKWdB8?t=2179 36:19] Destiny argues that gamergate "perfectly encapsulates the worst parts of humanity" as both sides just started arguing against things nobody believes or supports. Vaush then asks why everything upvoted in KotakuinAction is about feminism being bullshit, Destiny counters that the direct contrast of this has occurred in the subreddit SRS. Vaush responds that SRS is an intentional "circlerjerk" acting in "hyperbole". Destiny retorts arguing that Vaush is engaging in a {{wiki\|No true Scotsman}} fallacy.
			* [https://youtu.be/t1vX9vKWdB8?t=2323 38:43] Destiny points to SRS emailing lists of his sponsors stating he's a pedophile, and asks Vaush if he considers this to be a "big satire troll".
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	<strong>Ian Kochinski</strong> (born February 14, 1994), better known as '''Vaush''' or '''IrishLaddie''', is an American left-wing YouTuber and former [[Orbiters\|friend]] of [[Destiny]]. The earliest recorded interaction between Vaush and Destiny occurred in December 2012, when they discussed feminism.~~<ref> {{cite~~		<strong>Ian Kochinski</strong> (born February 14, 1994), better known as '''Vaush''' or '''IrishLaddie''', is an American left-wing YouTuber and former [[Orbiters\|friend]] of [[Destiny]]. The earliest recorded interaction between Vaush and Destiny occurred in December 2012, when they discussed feminism. Sometimes his [[Cold Hands\|hands are cold]].
	~~\|source-name = YouTube~~
	~~\|year = 2021~~
	~~\|month = June~~
	~~\|day = 13~~
	~~\|title = 2012-12-26 A conversation with Vaush (Irishladdie): feminism and the revolution~~
	~~\|retrieved-date = 2023, August 25~~
	~~\|source = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ-jGVv1Wnw~~
	~~}} </ref>~~ Sometimes his [[Cold Hands\|hands are cold]].

	== Background ==		== Background ==

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	Throughout the call, Destiny routinely reasserts the prospect of the United States "decoupling" itself from capitalism to be highly unpragmatic, and Vaush would conversly respond that it is impossible to address the issues present with regards to the rise of fascism in the United States without at least acknowledging the present economic system and offering alternatives. When pressed on a realistic prescription towards making society more progressive and combatting fascistic entities, Vaush states that "racists and non-progressive people need to be made afraid again". Vaush would go on to point to political organizations like the {{wiki\|Black_Panther_Party\|Black Panther Party}} as potential inspirations.		Throughout the call, Destiny routinely reasserts the prospect of the United States "decoupling" itself from capitalism to be highly unpragmatic, and Vaush would conversly respond that it is impossible to address the issues present with regards to the rise of fascism in the United States without at least acknowledging the present economic system and offering alternatives. When pressed on a realistic prescription towards making society more progressive and combatting fascistic entities, Vaush states that "racists and non-progressive people need to be made afraid again". Vaush would go on to point to political organizations like the {{wiki\|Black_Panther_Party\|Black Panther Party}} as potential inspirations.

	This back and forth continues for about an hour~~, with~~ Vaush ~~making~~ several arguments pointing towards an overall need for the United States to "pull away" from capitalism as meaningful class-based change is impossible from within said economic system, ~~and~~ Destiny ~~reiterating~~ that nobody in the "real world" cares for these arguments and that change is certainly possible within Capitalism.		This back and forth continues for about an hour until the call’s conclusion. During which time Vaush makes several arguments pointing towards an overall need for the United States to "pull away" from capitalism, and repeatedly asserts that meaningful class-based change would be impossible from within said economic system. Conversely, Destiny argues that nobody in the "real world" cares for these arguments, and that change is certainly possible within Capitalism.
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	During the conversation, Destiny argues that Vaush and SRS's definition of "enthusiastic consent" would likely result in the majority of otherwise consensual sexual-interactions between partners to be labeled as rape, and greatly weakens the meaning of the word. Vaush responds that he has never heard a rape victim disagree with how fervently they persecute rapists, and asserts he is content with such standards as it allows for rapists to be more easily persecuted. A similar conversation is carried on throughout the call with Destiny pointing to various ways in which SRS paints instances of "rape" or other methods of consent violation with too broad of a brush, and Vaush countering that such an overzealous tactic is justified as it is more important to "do right" by the individuals suffering the most from such instances than appeasing their critics or avoid harming individuals who may inadvertently be caught in the crossfire.		During the conversation, Destiny argues that Vaush and SRS's definition of "enthusiastic consent" would likely result in the majority of otherwise consensual sexual-interactions between partners to be labeled as rape, and greatly weakens the meaning of the word. Vaush responds that he has never heard a rape victim disagree with how fervently they persecute rapists, and asserts he is content with such standards as it allows for rapists to be more easily persecuted. A similar conversation is carried on throughout the call with Destiny pointing to various ways in which SRS paints instances of "rape" or other methods of consent violation with too broad of a brush, and Vaush countering that such an overzealous tactic is justified as it is more important to "do right" by the individuals suffering the most from such instances than appeasing their critics or avoid harming individuals who may inadvertently be caught in the crossfire.

	The two would go on to argue about whether the world will inevitably become a more progressive place. Vaush being of the position that society will inevitability become more progressive. Destiny counters that if this is the case, there would be no point in discussing anything, and that such an assertion is deeply insulting to individuals who took great strides to enact changes during great "progressive" moments in history like the Civil Rights era. Following this explanation, Vaush replies by tempering his initial statement, stating that this "progressive bend" is only the case as long as progressives continue to "do their job".

	From the halfway point of the call and onwards, the two hold a lengthy debate on the ethicality of the "mob mentality" tactics employed by SRS in taking down the creepshots subreddit (e.g. threatening advertisers and doxing the head moderator of the subreddit). Destiny argued that the organizers of the campaign had rallied large groups of people to destroy the subreddit without providing any explicit "objective basis" for doing so. Destiny would go on to assert that accepting "mob-mentality" tactics as a legitimate vehicle for political action (even on the chance that cause is truly morally justifiable) caused the movement to be essentially indistinguishable from any other ideological group claiming moral certainty without having to defend itself (e.g. Nazis). Repeatedly when Destiny presented this argument, Vaush would retort that ending the suppression of oppressed groups or enacting meaningful change in society is more important than watching for victims of "mob mentality" or attempting to maintain "intellectual honesty".		From the halfway point of the call and onwards, the two hold a lengthy debate on the ethicality of the "mob mentality" tactics employed by SRS in taking down the creepshots subreddit (e.g. threatening advertisers and doxing the head moderator of the subreddit). Destiny argued that the organizers of the campaign had rallied large groups of people to destroy the subreddit without providing any explicit "objective basis" for doing so. Destiny would go on to assert that accepting "mob-mentality" tactics as a legitimate vehicle for political action (even on the chance that cause is truly morally justifiable) caused the movement to be essentially indistinguishable from any other ideological group claiming moral certainty without having to defend itself (e.g. Nazis). Repeatedly when Destiny presented this argument, Vaush would retort that ending the suppression of oppressed groups or enacting meaningful change in society is more important than watching for victims of "mob mentality" or attempting to maintain "intellectual honesty".

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