Debate panel featuring Low Tier God and JiDion

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JiDion And Low Tier God Squash Beef In The Middle of A Debate Panel.

On November 6, 2022 Destiny took part in a panel discussing anti-Semitism and black issues, featuring Lav, JiDion, LowTierGod, Aba, Counterpoints, Pxie, and Darius. The panel opens with a debate regarding the importance of voting in presidential elections. JiDion, Aba, and Low Tier God argue that voting in these elections is unimportant and describe former President Barack Obama's tenure as ineffective. Several of the other panelists took issue with this view, and the group discusses for some time. The conversation eventually narrowed to a more specific focus on the black community. During which time, the panel discusses the opportunities for its improvement, and eventually touched on the problem of antisemitism in black communities.

Panel Highlights

2:28 Pxie asks Low Tier God if he believes the last few years would be the same if Donald Trump in office. Low Tier God responds that he saw much legislative work done for the LGBTQ and Latino communities, but nothing done for African Americans. 3:58 Darius takes issue with Low Tier God's perceived lack of knowledge on the electoral process, and claims he is a "stupid ass nigga". The African American members on the panel respond by "lil broing" Darius for the next several minutes. Aba goes on to describe Darius as a "Bollywood nigga who says the n-word", while Low Tier God mocks Darius's "cartoon PFP". Low Tier God then recommends that Darius upgrade his mic quality, comparing it to the muffled sound of someone speaking into a pillow. 4:52 Lav asks the panel if they believe Trump will run for president. 7:16 After lamenting for some time about the lack of work done for African Americans under Obama's presidency, Low Tier God points out that African Americans mocked Donald Trump for seemingly no reason. 8:16 Lav asks the African American members of the panel how they could improve the black community if it can't be fixed. 13:28 Lav asks Low Tier God if he believes there are powerful black figureheads in the political world(she points to Stacey Abrams). 15:44 Lav asks Low Tier God: "If the black community cannot be help , how can you live your day to day life?" A random t4 caller jumps in during Low Tier God's response and asks Lav why she believes black men mistreat and disregard black women. 23:51 Lav agrees with JiDeon's disgust with white people profiting off of black athletes. Counterpoints asks what kind of white people they're referring to. 31:05 The panel discusses the perceived problem with antisemitism in the black community. 35:03 Lav discusses the problem with white and black people integrating at unforeseen rates due to the internet. She further laments the issues of black communities joining their antisemitic behavior with whites online, and likens it to nazi germany. She goes on to describe how she perceives groypers and black people joining together to mock jews. 38:26 Lav discusses how a Jewish man is more likely to get hate crimed than a black man. She then discusses how nobody cares when a synagogue gets shot up. 40:39 Aba discusses how strange it was that major NBA players came out so quickly against perceived Antisemitic remarks from Kyrie Irving. Lav argues they were defending Jewish people because they had Jewish friends, while JiDion remarks how strange it was to ask prominent black NBA stars as opposed to a Jewish one. 43:30 Aba remarks how ESPN turned into 48 hours of Rabbis talking to NBA players who could barely read that they need to apologize(Lav agreed this was cringe). 45:31 Aba and Lav discuss prominent Jewish individuals in power. 46:58 JiDeon discusses the difference in backlash between mocking Jesus vs mocking anything Jewish related. Aba agrees with this criticism, and remarks that at some point Jews have to move beyond things that happened years ago(he compares this to African Americans needing to move on from slavery). When questioned, Aba agrees that Jewish individuals are oversensitive about the holocaust(lowkey). 50:21 Lav asks Aba why he believes Jewish people are rich. Aba responds that they are just born that way, and Counterpoints picks up the question and gives the history of Jews since medieval times. 52:42 Aba states that he is pro-palestine. Lav assumes this is a criticism towards her, and derides Aba for assuming she was pro-Israel just because she's Jewish. She then accuses Aba of being antisemitic. 53:18 Low Tier God asks Counterpoints if he thinks everything done by the Jews could be done by black people. Counterpoints responds that they likely would not be able to, and points to geographical issues with west Africa. 56:07 Pxie discusses with Low Tier God his claim that black people "just have to choose better". This leads to a conversation regarding "the talk" black people give their children regarding police interactions. Counterpoints gives his perspective as a police officer during this conversation. 1:01:44 Pxie asks Low Tier God to acknowledge that it's possible for a black person to act on their best behavior and still get fucked over by a racist. Lav feels the need to answer for Low Tier God here, and assures Pxie that Low Tier God knows this. Low Tier God answers no, which results in Lav attempting to run defense for him by accusing Pxie of posturing over a black man. 1:03:49 Destiny steps in to provide a middle ground between the opposing views. 1:08:16 Lav asks Low Tier God what he thinks about black absentee fathers. Low Tier God responds that most black men fornicate for pleasurable purposes and are not looking to settle down(he later states he does not date black women). JiDion responds that this enables rhetoric from individuals like Nick Fuentes. 1:11:55 Counterpoints describes his experiences as a cop dealing with poor black communities and youths. He reinforces the point while we should not deny individuals some agency in bettering their lives, having the tools in place to better one's life is equally important. 1:14:22 Low Tier God laments that the only way African Americans can earn money on a large scale is through entertainment. He goes on to question why wealthy African Americans would even want to risk their wealth by making antisemitic remarks, and argues that they themselves damage the community. 1:19:02 Counterpoints describes his time in West Baltimore for a documentary, wherein he asked cops for a safe place to film. The cops responded there was no safe place to film. 1:23:26 Low Tier God and Destiny discuss for some time the systematic issues prevalent in black communities.

Lav takes issue with integration between white and black people online

The discussion on antisemitism remained moderate, until Lav introduced the topic of increasing integration between white and black people online, a trend she perceived as problematic. She expressed concerns about black communities adopting antisemitic behaviors similar to those found among whites on the internet, drawing a parallel to Nazi Germany. Lav further elaborated on how she sees groypers and black individuals uniting online to ridicule Jews, goes on to describe how a Jewish man is more likely to be "hate-crimed" on the street than a black man, and laments the lack of institutions protecting Jewish people as they do African Americans. This led to a discussion on recent events which resulted in several NBA stars apologizing for perceived antisemitic remarks from Kyrie Irving. Aba thought it was strange how quick they were to jump to the defense of Jewish people, Lav argued that they were just defending their friends, and JiDeon questioned the reasoning for asking someone like Shaq or LeBron to denounce the remarks (as opposed to a Jewish NBA star). The conversation intensifies, as Lav remarks that Jewish people went through a genocide, and cites this as a reason for needing to be more critical of individuals who speak out against Jewish individuals. Aba takes issue with this claim, and argues that Jewish people need to move on from their past, similar to how African Americans needed to move on from slavery. Aba goes on to recommend that Jewish individuals like Lav should pick themselves up by their bootstraps and move on from their former oppression. At some point during the conversation Lav accuses Aba of being antisemitic for assuming she was pro-Israel just because she's Jewish.

Pxie debates Low Tier God

A depiction of Lav posted on r/destiny following the debate.

During the conversation, Pxie prods Low Tier God on his claim that black people need to make better decisions. They discuss "the talk" black parents give their children about police interactions and other systematic issues. Pxie appears to believe that some of Low Tier God's arguments might make him seem like a "pick-me" for Republican bootstraps talking points, and tries to argue from a "meta" perspective on systematic black issues, such as the potential for encountering a racist cop. In response, Low Tier God claims his arguments tsem from a desire to improve the lives of other African American individuals. At one point, Pxie asks Low Tier God to acknowledge that it's possible for a black person to act on their best behavior and still get "fucked over" by a racist. Lav, feeling the need to answer for LowTierGod, assures Pxie that Low Tier God knows this. Low Tier God responds that he does not believe this, and Lav responds that Pxie is attempting to "posture over a black man".

Near the call's conclusion, Low Tier God laments that the only way African Americans can earn money on a large scale is through entertainment. He goes on to question why wealthy African Americans would even want to risk their wealth by making antisemitic remarks, and argues that they themselves damage the community. Destiny and Low Tier God then discuss the systematic issues prevalent in black communities for some time before the call concludes.

Debate fallout

r/Destiny was not fond of Lav's performance during the debate and created many posts criticsing and poking fun at Lav. One such post, had Lav appearing in blackface.