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'''Pxie''' is | '''Pxie''' is an American [[livestreamer]] and political commentator. She first appeared on stream with [[Destiny]] during a [["I've never been more gaslit in my entire life..." - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More|Mindwaves debate panel]] to discuss the justifiability of edgy language in private. Since that debate, Pxie has occasionally appeared on Destiny's stream to discuss hot-button political/social issues, and participate in informal conversations with Destiny regarding on-stream events. | ||
Pxie was nominated for the 2023 [[Destiny_Awards#Buddy_of_the_Year| Destiny Award for Buddy of the Year]], and the 2019 [[Destiny_Awards#Ally_of_the_Year| Destiny Award for Ally of the Year]]. | Pxie was nominated for the 2023 [[Destiny_Awards#Buddy_of_the_Year| Destiny Award for Buddy of the Year]], and the 2019 [[Destiny_Awards#Ally_of_the_Year| Destiny Award for Ally of the Year]]. | ||
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=== Destiny discussing lawsuit on stream === | === Destiny discussing lawsuit on stream === | ||
==== Destiny Addresses His Lawsuit (Feb 21) ==== | ==== Destiny Addresses His Lawsuit (Feb 21, 2025) ==== | ||
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==== Transcript From Destiny's Court Hearing. (Apr 28) ==== | ==== Transcript From Destiny's Court Hearing. (Apr 28, 2025) ==== | ||
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==== Lawyers Respond To Destiny, Want Him And His Attorney Sanctioned... (May 06) ==== | ==== Lawyers Respond To Destiny, Want Him And His Attorney Sanctioned... (May 06, 2025) ==== | ||
<youtube width="300">clDAP87-VGE</youtube> | <youtube width="300">clDAP87-VGE</youtube> | ||
==== Destiny's Lawsuit Situation Escalates. (May 11) ==== | ==== Destiny's Lawsuit Situation Escalates. (May 11, 2025) ==== | ||
<youtube width="300">baWIPMMooWs</youtube> | <youtube width="300">baWIPMMooWs</youtube> | ||
==== They're Not Happy Destiny Is Talking About His Lawsuit... (May 18) ==== | ==== They're Not Happy Destiny Is Talking About His Lawsuit... (May 18, 2025) ==== | ||
<youtube width="300">4ybnpGpyDRk</youtube> | <youtube width="300">4ybnpGpyDRk</youtube> | ||
==== Destiny Reacts To His Gag Order - Lawsuit Update (June 03) ==== | ==== Destiny Reacts To His Gag Order - Lawsuit Update (June 03, 2025) ==== | ||
<youtube width="300">g9nXwkhT0N4</youtube> | <youtube width="300">g9nXwkhT0N4</youtube> | ||
==== Destiny's Court Hearing Nearly Brings Him To Tears (June 05) ==== | ==== Destiny's Court Hearing Nearly Brings Him To Tears (June 05, 2025) ==== | ||
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==== Destiny's Lawsuit Just Got Even Wackier... (June 09) ==== | ==== Destiny's Lawsuit Just Got Even Wackier... (June 09, 2025) ==== | ||
<youtube width="300">UHudEM-UU3Q</youtube> | <youtube width="300">UHudEM-UU3Q</youtube> | ||
==== Destiny Fights For His Court Transcript (June 18) ==== | ==== Destiny Fights For His Court Transcript (June 18, 2025) ==== | ||
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==== Jane Doe is SLANDERING Destiny (June 19) ==== | ==== Jane Doe is SLANDERING Destiny (June 19, 2025) ==== | ||
<youtube width="300">qSIkQxUd6Kc</youtube> | <youtube width="300">qSIkQxUd6Kc</youtube> | ||
==== Destiny's Case Is A Nightmare. (June 27, 2025) ==== | |||
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==== The Case is Falling Apart. (July 15, 2025) ==== | |||
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==== Destiny's Court Case TAKES TURN As Star Witness Vanishes (July 27, 2025) ==== | |||
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==== Destiny's court situation is unhinged... (Sept 05, 2025) ==== | |||
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==== This Could End Destiny's Court Case.. (Sept 22, 2025) ==== | |||
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==== Pxie's "Expert" ATTACKS Destiny — Gets EXPOSED Instead (Oct 13, 2025) ==== | |||
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==== Major Judge Rulings In Destiny's Court Case.. (Oct 14, 2025) ==== | |||
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==== Destiny's Final Response — And Legal Mindset's Brain Melt (Oct 15, 2025) ==== | |||
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==== Destiny Court Case Escalates And The Hague Convention Gets Brought In... (Oct 18, 2025) ==== | |||
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==== Destiny's Court Transcripts Released (Oct 28, 2025) ==== | |||
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==== Motion for Protective Order to Coordinate Deposition Scheduling (Nov 04, 2025) ==== | |||
(Topic starts at 02:32:20) | |||
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==== Major Lawsuit Bombshell Just Dropped... (Nov 18, 2025) ==== | |||
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==== THEY'RE DELETING EVIDENCE! Destiny's Lawsuit Takes Another Insane Turn (Dec 4, 2025) ==== | |||
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==== Destiny Talks About The Cost Of His Court Case (Dec 27, 2025) ==== | |||
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==== The Victim Finally Testifies In Court (Jan 7, 2026) ==== | |||
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==== Destiny Talks About What Will Happen if His Case Goes to Trial (Feb 5, 2026) ==== | |||
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==== Judge Hasn't Ruled In 5 Months On Destiny's Court Case (what's happening?) (March 27, 2026) ==== | |||
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==== Destiny's Court Case Is Starting To Move... (FINALLY) (March 30) ==== | |||
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==== The Trial Battle Begins... (March 31, 2026) ==== | |||
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==== Expert Lawyer Tells Destiny What's Coming Next In His Case (April 15, 2026) ==== | |||
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==== Destiny Can't Believe How Bad Their Case Is... (Apr 18, 2026) ==== | |||
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==== lawsuit update (Apr 15 & 19, 2026) ==== | |||
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==== The Judge Called Destiny (Apr 21, 2026) ==== | |||
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==== Jane Doe Rage Quits Deposition (Apr 28 & 29, 2026) ==== | |||
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==== Lawyers MELTDOWN During Destiny's Deposition (May 1, 2026) ==== | |||
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==== Reading Depositions As Plaintiff & Snarkers FREAK OUT (May 8 & 10, 2026) ==== | |||
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==== WillyMacShow Shows Up During Lawsuit Debate (May 13, 2026) ==== | |||
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==== Her Lawyers Can't Be Real (May 19, 2026) ==== | |||
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==== she sent a f*cking warning??? (May 28 & June 2, 2026) ==== | |||
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== Notable On Stream Appearances with Destiny == | == Notable On Stream Appearances with Destiny == | ||
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* [https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=1970 32:50] Pxie chimes in, and asks Destiny why he believes saying the n-word isn't racist. Destiny responds that as a public figure, he does not platform language that is harmful or further entrenches groups of people. Destiny continues, explaining that when in private and surrounded by individuals he is sure are not racist, there are "edgy" jokes involving racist terms he would be comfortable making(e.g. jokes from a George Carlin Skit, or a Boondocks episode). Pxie retorts that Destiny saying he states these jokes in private to the public, defeats the purpose of Destiny's stance on racist words. Destiny counters that he never repeats these "private jokes" to the public, as such, it would not nullify any public stance he takes on such terms. | * [https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=1970 32:50] Pxie chimes in, and asks Destiny why he believes saying the n-word isn't racist. Destiny responds that as a public figure, he does not platform language that is harmful or further entrenches groups of people. Destiny continues, explaining that when in private and surrounded by individuals he is sure are not racist, there are "edgy" jokes involving racist terms he would be comfortable making (e.g. jokes from a George Carlin Skit, or a Boondocks episode). Pxie retorts that Destiny saying he states these jokes in private to the public, defeats the purpose of Destiny's stance on racist words. Destiny counters that he never repeats these "private jokes" to the public, as such, it would not nullify any public stance he takes on such terms. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=2208 36:48] Pxie remarks that Destiny does not typically debate to change individuals minds, but is mainly trying to suey the audience. Destiny agrees. | * [https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=2208 36:48] Pxie remarks that Destiny does not typically debate to change individuals minds, but is mainly trying to suey the audience. Destiny agrees. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=3561 59:21] The panel attempts to give Pxie an opportunity to speak on the subject, and Kormantine states she should not speak on the manner because she's not black. Despite this, Pxie is given the opportunity to speak anyways. She states that Destiny admitting to saying the n-word in private defeats the purpose of his stance as it might normalize such racially charged language for individuals in his audience. She continues, arguing that individuals may not always know if someone is making a joke or not when saying the n-word. | * [https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=3561 59:21] The panel attempts to give Pxie an opportunity to speak on the subject, and Kormantine states she should not speak on the manner because she's not black. Despite this, Pxie is given the opportunity to speak anyways. She states that Destiny admitting to saying the n-word in private defeats the purpose of his stance as it might normalize such racially charged language for individuals in his audience. She continues, arguing that individuals may not always know if someone is making a joke or not when saying the n-word. | ||
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* [https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=7815 2:10:15] Pxie argues the n-word should probably not be used in private or public, nor say that it's used in private. | * [https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=7815 2:10:15] Pxie argues the n-word should probably not be used in private or public, nor say that it's used in private. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=10436 2:53:56] Pxie addresses the race-play comparison. She admits to finding race-play to being "very sketch". | * [https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=10436 2:53:56] Pxie addresses the race-play comparison. She admits to finding race-play to being "very sketch". | ||
* [https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=10971 3:02:51] Destiny points out that the two "pro-private language people"(himself and Ahrel) were the only ones who allowed Pxie to speak, meanwhile Kormantine, Cole, and Hasan took every opportunity to shut her down. | * [https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=10971 3:02:51] Destiny points out that the two "pro-private language people" (himself and Ahrel) were the only ones who allowed Pxie to speak, meanwhile Kormantine, Cole, and Hasan took every opportunity to shut her down. | ||
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{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ272vsoaXw|300px|right| '''"Dehumanization & Edgy Jokes - Destiny Discusses ft. Pxie'''}} | {{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ272vsoaXw|300px|right| '''"Dehumanization & Edgy Jokes - Destiny Discusses ft. Pxie'''}} | ||
On October 25, 2019, Pxie and Destiny discussed the implications of edgy humor(specifically those containing racial slurs), and its role in causing individuals to feel dehumanized.<ref> | On October 25, 2019, Pxie and Destiny discussed the implications of edgy humor (specifically those containing racial slurs), and its role in causing individuals to feel dehumanized.<ref> | ||
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This conversation was brought on following the duo's difficulties in having a meaningful engagement on the same topic during a [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/%22I%27ve_never_been_more_gaslit_in_my_entire_life...%22_-_Destiny_Debate_ft._Hasanabi,_TheSerfsTV,_%26_More Mindwaves debate panel]. | This conversation was brought on following the duo's difficulties in having a meaningful engagement on the same topic during a [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/%22I%27ve_never_been_more_gaslit_in_my_entire_life...%22_-_Destiny_Debate_ft._Hasanabi,_TheSerfsTV,_%26_More Mindwaves debate panel]. | ||
During the conversation, Pxie asserts that society(even within an {{wiki|egoist}} framework) should strive to eliminate oppression and dehumanization, as such systems ultimately work to harm all individuals within society. She extends this reasoning to argue against the private use of racial slurs or edgy language, asserting that such behavior can perpetuate the harmful subconscious biases inherent in all individuals, and cause those minorities whom the slurs are directed at to feel "otherized". In response, Destiny acknowledges that racial humor or edgy language can, at times, reinforce subconscious biases, especially when espoused by individuals without a formal understanding of their harmful nature. However, he maintains that individuals who are fully aware of the harm such language can cause may be able to engage with it without falling victim to those subconscious pitfalls. | During the conversation, Pxie asserts that society (even within an {{wiki|egoist}} framework) should strive to eliminate oppression and dehumanization, as such systems ultimately work to harm all individuals within society. She extends this reasoning to argue against the private use of racial slurs or edgy language, asserting that such behavior can perpetuate the harmful subconscious biases inherent in all individuals, and cause those minorities whom the slurs are directed at to feel "otherized". In response, Destiny acknowledges that racial humor or edgy language can, at times, reinforce subconscious biases, especially when espoused by individuals without a formal understanding of their harmful nature. However, he maintains that individuals who are fully aware of the harm such language can cause may be able to engage with it without falling victim to those subconscious pitfalls. | ||
After an hour discussing the topic, Destiny and Pxie ultimately reach an impasse, with Destiny offering to reassess his view entirely if Pxie were to provide studies pointing to otherwise non-racist individuals beginning to develop racist thoughts upon hearing a slur. Following this, the two depart from the call amicably. | After an hour discussing the topic, Destiny and Pxie ultimately reach an impasse, with Destiny offering to reassess his view entirely if Pxie were to provide studies pointing to otherwise non-racist individuals beginning to develop racist thoughts upon hearing a slur. Following this, the two depart from the call amicably. | ||
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*[https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=52 0:52] Pxie shares a work-in-process flowchart and write-up she created in preparation for this discussion. | *[https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=52 0:52] Pxie shares a work-in-process flowchart and write-up she created in preparation for this discussion. | ||
*[https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=133 2:13] Despite not agreeing with {{wiki|egoism}}, Pxie states she intends to argue within it's framework. Pxie explains that as an egoist, one would want society to “get better” as it would benefit oneself. Pxie asserts that society should seek to eliminate unfair treatment of minorities and oppressed people, as such treatment would lead to marginalization, more crime, and less opportunity. Pxie concludes that all these things would hurt oneself in the long-run if left unaddressed, and therefore an egoist should seek to minimize harm towards these groups. Destiny responds that he agrees with this statement. | *[https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=133 2:13] Despite not agreeing with {{wiki|egoism}}, Pxie states she intends to argue within it's framework. Pxie explains that as an egoist, one would want society to “get better” as it would benefit oneself. Pxie asserts that society should seek to eliminate unfair treatment of minorities and oppressed people, as such treatment would lead to marginalization, more crime, and less opportunity. Pxie concludes that all these things would hurt oneself in the long-run if left unaddressed, and therefore an egoist should seek to minimize harm towards these groups. Destiny responds that he agrees with this statement. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=201 3:21] Pxie explains that if one seeks to achieve a better society(as described in the prior bullet point), one should do whatever one can to combat these systems of oppression. Destiny agrees, but asserts that the cost of enacting such harm-reduction should not overtly harm oneself. He provides the example of white people killing themselves in the effort of reducing harm towards minorities. Pxie agrees. | * [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=201 3:21] Pxie explains that if one seeks to achieve a better society (as described in the prior bullet point), one should do whatever one can to combat these systems of oppression. Destiny agrees, but asserts that the cost of enacting such harm-reduction should not overtly harm oneself. He provides the example of white people killing themselves in the effort of reducing harm towards minorities. Pxie agrees. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=266 4:26] Pxie provides her definition of "dehumanization". She defines it as the process of depriving a person or a group of people from positive qualities and "otherizing" individuals. Pxie goes on to explain that a racial slur can contribute to this dehumanization, as it makes an individual feel excluded or demeaned on the basis of their race/ethnicity/nationality. Destiny cautiously agrees with this, explaining that this may be the case for the outset of a racial slur as an unintended consequence. Pxie agrees with Destiny. | * [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=266 4:26] Pxie provides her definition of "dehumanization". She defines it as the process of depriving a person or a group of people from positive qualities and "otherizing" individuals. Pxie goes on to explain that a racial slur can contribute to this dehumanization, as it makes an individual feel excluded or demeaned on the basis of their race/ethnicity/nationality. Destiny cautiously agrees with this, explaining that this may be the case for the outset of a racial slur as an unintended consequence. Pxie agrees with Destiny. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=341 5:32] Pxie circles to her primary argument: Destiny should not use edgy-language containing racial slurs in private. | * [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=341 5:32] Pxie circles to her primary argument: Destiny should not use edgy-language containing racial slurs in private. | ||
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* [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=797 13:17] Destiny posits a hypothetical to Pxie: Two individuals are identical in all measurable societal behaviors—how they treat minorities, how they vote, and how they interact with others—but differ internally. However, one person harbors implicit biases but is self-aware enough to check and manage them, while the other does not have these biases at all. Are these people significantly different? Pxie answers in the affirmative, arguing there is a difference. | * [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=797 13:17] Destiny posits a hypothetical to Pxie: Two individuals are identical in all measurable societal behaviors—how they treat minorities, how they vote, and how they interact with others—but differ internally. However, one person harbors implicit biases but is self-aware enough to check and manage them, while the other does not have these biases at all. Are these people significantly different? Pxie answers in the affirmative, arguing there is a difference. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=837 13:57] Pxie argues that Destiny's hypothetical being dependent on the ability for an individual to "check" their subconscious biases makes his hypothetical unrealistic and impractical. Destiny counters that one could be able to address their subconscious biases through "checking" themselves, and explains the Cognitive Behavior Therapy model to Pxie:Thoughts can happen without our control, but we can choose how we respond to those facts. | * [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=837 13:57] Pxie argues that Destiny's hypothetical being dependent on the ability for an individual to "check" their subconscious biases makes his hypothetical unrealistic and impractical. Destiny counters that one could be able to address their subconscious biases through "checking" themselves, and explains the Cognitive Behavior Therapy model to Pxie:Thoughts can happen without our control, but we can choose how we respond to those facts. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=905 15:05] Pxie argues that while Destiny may be able to check his subconscious bias when making such jokes, the individuals who hear the jokes may not be able to do so. Destiny disagrees, and argues that individuals(especially friends) can generally have a good understanding of what the thoughts are of the people around them. Destiny argues that if one can trust a doctor not to perform sexual acts on them when they're unconscious for surgery, one should be able to trust certain individuals in their friend group to not be racists. | * [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=905 15:05] Pxie argues that while Destiny may be able to check his subconscious bias when making such jokes, the individuals who hear the jokes may not be able to do so. Destiny disagrees, and argues that individuals (especially friends) can generally have a good understanding of what the thoughts are of the people around them. Destiny argues that if one can trust a doctor not to perform sexual acts on them when they're unconscious for surgery, one should be able to trust certain individuals in their friend group to not be racists. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=1039 17:19] While Pxie agrees with Destiny's general position, she argues that one would have to take a big gamble when telling edgy jokes pertaining to marginalized/oppressed groups. She further asserts that the small loss of humour one would feel by not telling these jokes is marginal compared to the reinforcement of these oppressive structures towards minorities. | * [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=1039 17:19] While Pxie agrees with Destiny's general position, she argues that one would have to take a big gamble when telling edgy jokes pertaining to marginalized/oppressed groups. She further asserts that the small loss of humour one would feel by not telling these jokes is marginal compared to the reinforcement of these oppressive structures towards minorities. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=1096 18:16] Destiny responds, arguing that while he understands Pxie's perspective the biggest strength of his own perspective is that he is able to draw a line to determine "what is responsible"(i.e. private setting with individuals once can trust to not be racist). | * [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=1096 18:16] Destiny responds, arguing that while he understands Pxie's perspective the biggest strength of his own perspective is that he is able to draw a line to determine "what is responsible" (i.e. private setting with individuals once can trust to not be racist). | ||
* [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=1122 18:42] Destiny argues that the logical conclusion to Pxie's perspective may do more harm than good. He explains that by her logic, even using a slur in "okay" contexts, the word's utterance would still contribute to the oppression of minorities. He argues by this logic, black people should never be allowed to say the n-word themselves, even in rap songs. | * [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=1122 18:42] Destiny argues that the logical conclusion to Pxie's perspective may do more harm than good. He explains that by her logic, even using a slur in "okay" contexts, the word's utterance would still contribute to the oppression of minorities. He argues by this logic, black people should never be allowed to say the n-word themselves, even in rap songs. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=1181 19:41] Pxie argues the "n-word" takes on a whole different meaning when a white person uses it versus when a black person uses it due to historical context. Destiny agrees, but argues if one cannot trust somebody to know if they're fostering racist attitudes as a result of using the word, how can the average white person understand a black person's usage of the word? | * [https://youtu.be/NQ272vsoaXw?t=1181 19:41] Pxie argues the "n-word" takes on a whole different meaning when a white person uses it versus when a black person uses it due to historical context. Destiny agrees, but argues if one cannot trust somebody to know if they're fostering racist attitudes as a result of using the word, how can the average white person understand a black person's usage of the word? | ||
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</ref> The majority of the conversation was conducted in an interview-like fashion by Pxie, and eventually progressed into a formal debate on the subject. | </ref> The majority of the conversation was conducted in an interview-like fashion by Pxie, and eventually progressed into a formal debate on the subject. | ||
During the discussion, Destiny argued in favor of pre-determinism. While he acknowledged the probabilistic behavior of a particle's location in quantum mechanics as a potential gray area, he maintains that this {{wiki|Uncertainty_principle|uncertainty}} does not fully substantiate the existence of "true" randomness. He goes on to posit that the entire universe is predetermined, and that even in cases where true-randomness were discovered, the concept of free will would likely remain a fiction. Conversely, Pxie argued in favor of free-will, and pointed to the evolutionary development of consciousness as evidence. The two ultimately spend some time discussing the "illusion of free will"(with some illustrative assistance through microsoft paint), before Pxie expresses the need to think on the subject some more. Following this, the two depart from the call amicably. | During the discussion, Destiny argued in favor of pre-determinism. While he acknowledged the probabilistic behavior of a particle's location in quantum mechanics as a potential gray area, he maintains that this {{wiki|Uncertainty_principle|uncertainty}} does not fully substantiate the existence of "true" randomness. He goes on to posit that the entire universe is predetermined, and that even in cases where true-randomness were discovered, the concept of free will would likely remain a fiction. Conversely, Pxie argued in favor of free-will, and pointed to the evolutionary development of consciousness as evidence. The two ultimately spend some time discussing the "illusion of free will" (with some illustrative assistance through microsoft paint), before Pxie expresses the need to think on the subject some more. Following this, the two depart from the call amicably. | ||
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* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=144 2:24] Pxie asks Destiny if wanting for food would be considered selfish, Destiny answers in the affirmative. Pxie decides that they should spend some time defining what the word "selfish" means. | * [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=144 2:24] Pxie asks Destiny if wanting for food would be considered selfish, Destiny answers in the affirmative. Pxie decides that they should spend some time defining what the word "selfish" means. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=226 3:46] Destiny defines egoism as "everyone doing something stemming from their own benefit" or "things stem from people's desires". Pxie describes her "beef" with egoism being that she can't fully grasp the concept that having a desire is inherently selfish. | * [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=226 3:46] Destiny defines egoism as "everyone doing something stemming from their own benefit" or "things stem from people's desires". Pxie describes her "beef" with egoism being that she can't fully grasp the concept that having a desire is inherently selfish. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=296 4:56] Destiny explains that he is anti-realist with regards to morals. He continues, arguing that "what people want" can easily be determined by their circumstances/ | * [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=296 4:56] Destiny explains that he is anti-realist with regards to morals. He continues, arguing that "what people want" can easily be determined by their circumstances/environment (aka people are a victim of their circumstances): "If you put people in predictable environments you can get predictable people" (e.g. putting a bunch of people in the ghetto will likely not yield a bunch of business people). Destiny compounds this to explain his deference towards egoism: People have a set of desires that they seek to fulfill, you can then analyze people's desires and why they desire them, from there one can provide better descriptive powers as to how people will act or change their behavior in the future. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=352 5:52] Pxie asks Destiny if he would consider egoism to be a selfish ideology. Destiny answers yes, but explains he is answering without all the "morally loaded connotations" typically attached to the word "selfish". Destiny offers to change the word "selfish" to "self-driven", and Pxie accepts the replacement. | * [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=352 5:52] Pxie asks Destiny if he would consider egoism to be a selfish ideology. Destiny answers yes, but explains he is answering without all the "morally loaded connotations" typically attached to the word "selfish". Destiny offers to change the word "selfish" to "self-driven", and Pxie accepts the replacement. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=437 7:17] Destiny describes all of meta-ethics as "bullshit", and anyone's meta-ethics position is likely post-hoc rationalized. He goes on to describe his metaethics position as: "People have desires that they want to fulfill". | * [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=437 7:17] Destiny describes all of meta-ethics as "bullshit", and anyone's meta-ethics position is likely post-hoc rationalized. He goes on to describe his metaethics position as: "People have desires that they want to fulfill". | ||
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* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=573 9:33] Pxie explains her feeling that when most people refer to egoism, they speak on it from a mindset where they believe people are performing actions expecting some reward or a good feeling afterwards. Pxie provides the example of individuals with ADHD struggling to do tasks like homework and will prioritize things that give them less of a reward like video games. Destiny provides a steelman to individuals taking issue with Pxie's statement: mental illness would likely not factor into this conversation as these individuals would be outliers. He provides the example of someone with Parkinson's spilling coffee on their grandma not being a preference. | * [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=573 9:33] Pxie explains her feeling that when most people refer to egoism, they speak on it from a mindset where they believe people are performing actions expecting some reward or a good feeling afterwards. Pxie provides the example of individuals with ADHD struggling to do tasks like homework and will prioritize things that give them less of a reward like video games. Destiny provides a steelman to individuals taking issue with Pxie's statement: mental illness would likely not factor into this conversation as these individuals would be outliers. He provides the example of someone with Parkinson's spilling coffee on their grandma not being a preference. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=746 12:16] Pxie asks Destiny if he believes in pre-determinism. Destiny answers in the affirmative, and posits there likely are some exceptions on a quantum level. | * [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=746 12:16] Pxie asks Destiny if he believes in pre-determinism. Destiny answers in the affirmative, and posits there likely are some exceptions on a quantum level. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=790 13:10] Pxie asks Destiny why he believes "Quantum mechanics" isn't enough to tear apart pre-determinism. Destiny explains that there are many interpretations of Quantum mechanics that don't actually call for true randomness to exist(e.g. wave functions express probabilities of particles, and they appear random to us just because we lack the sufficient ability to measure their location). Destiny explains that while he doesn't have a sufficient level of expertise to fully realize this argument, he can understand that we speak in probabilities for this particular scenario as we don't know where the particle will truly lie in space. | * [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=790 13:10] Pxie asks Destiny why he believes "Quantum mechanics" isn't enough to tear apart pre-determinism. Destiny explains that there are many interpretations of Quantum mechanics that don't actually call for true randomness to exist (e.g. wave functions express probabilities of particles, and they appear random to us just because we lack the sufficient ability to measure their location). Destiny explains that while he doesn't have a sufficient level of expertise to fully realize this argument, he can understand that we speak in probabilities for this particular scenario as we don't know where the particle will truly lie in space. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=942 15:42] Pxie asks Destiny if he believes determinism would be a "thing" if true randomness was discovered. Destiny answers that while determinism would cease to exist if true randomness were discovered, free will would likely never be a "thing". He explains that human beings would never have the ability to consciously collapse wave functions, or exert pressure over the existence of wave functions in our brains. Pxie replies that she needs to read more on the subject. | * [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=942 15:42] Pxie asks Destiny if he believes determinism would be a "thing" if true randomness was discovered. Destiny answers that while determinism would cease to exist if true randomness were discovered, free will would likely never be a "thing". He explains that human beings would never have the ability to consciously collapse wave functions, or exert pressure over the existence of wave functions in our brains. Pxie replies that she needs to read more on the subject. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=988 16:28] Destiny asks Pxie if she knows the difference between physicalism and materialism. Pxie responds in the affirmative, but notes it's been some time. Destiny explains that the only way Pxie would be able to do free will arguments, is by arguing for some time about a non-physical or immaterial entity. As arguing for free will from a materialistic point of view would require one to "break reality". | * [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=988 16:28] Destiny asks Pxie if she knows the difference between physicalism and materialism. Pxie responds in the affirmative, but notes it's been some time. Destiny explains that the only way Pxie would be able to do free will arguments, is by arguing for some time about a non-physical or immaterial entity. As arguing for free will from a materialistic point of view would require one to "break reality". | ||
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=== Destiny debates Pxie about her tweets ft. Mindwaves === | === Destiny debates Pxie about her tweets ft. Mindwaves === | ||
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd-LotbVN38|300px|right| '''Debating Pxie about her tweets ft. MindWavesTV'''}} | {{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd-LotbVN38|300px|right| '''Debating Pxie about her tweets ft. MindWavesTV'''}} | ||
On March 18, 2020 Pxie, Destiny, and Mindwaves held a brief debate on the electability of {{wiki|Democratic_Party_(United_States)|Democratic}} Candidate frontrunner {{wiki|Joe_Biden|Joe Biden}}, and the implications of populist rhetoric in U.S. politics. The conversation arose as a result of several tweets from Pxie expressing her concern that {{wiki|Republican_Party_(United_States)|Republican}} {{wiki|incumbent}} Donald Trump's populist appeal, bolstered by policies like suspending evictions and providing cash stimulus, could lead to his reelection(which she perceives as a pathway to fascism). | On March 18, 2020 Pxie, Destiny, and Mindwaves held a brief debate on the electability of {{wiki|Democratic_Party_(United_States)|Democratic}} Candidate frontrunner {{wiki|Joe_Biden|Joe Biden}}, and the implications of populist rhetoric in U.S. politics. The conversation arose as a result of several tweets from Pxie expressing her concern that {{wiki|Republican_Party_(United_States)|Republican}} {{wiki|incumbent}} Donald Trump's populist appeal, bolstered by policies like suspending evictions and providing cash stimulus, could lead to his reelection (which she perceives as a pathway to fascism). | ||
Pxie argues that Trump's support of these populist measures may attract former {{wiki|Bernie_Sanders|Bernie Sanders}} supporters, thereby undermining any chance of Joe Biden unseating Trump during the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election next election cycle]. Destiny and Mindwaves counter that these voters would likely bleed off anyway by nature of the primary system, and that Biden's ability to unite a broad coalition(particularly through his support among African American voters and his focus on pragmatic progressivism) would also be to his benefit. Furthermore, they contend that Trump's economic policies are superficially populist, and lack a substantive progressive intent that would meaningfully sway non-online left-leaning voters. | Pxie argues that Trump's support of these populist measures may attract former {{wiki|Bernie_Sanders|Bernie Sanders}} supporters, thereby undermining any chance of Joe Biden unseating Trump during the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidential_election next election cycle]. Destiny and Mindwaves counter that these voters would likely bleed off anyway by nature of the primary system, and that Biden's ability to unite a broad coalition (particularly through his support among African American voters and his focus on pragmatic progressivism) would also be to his benefit. Furthermore, they contend that Trump's economic policies are superficially populist, and lack a substantive progressive intent that would meaningfully sway non-online left-leaning voters. | ||
At one point during the conversation, Destiny laments how individuals on the left consistently eschew all forms of identity politics in favor of preaching about about "class", and act surprised when individuals move to Trump after he adopts a few progressive economic policies. Pxie argues that they should be concerned about this trend, to which Destiny explains that this trend is precisely the reason he "shits on" socialists like [[Hasan Piker]] and [[Kyle Kulinski]]. Destiny explains that most Democrats are generally on board with identity politics, but it's only the "most online" individuals on the left who reduce everything to class that are in danger of shifting towards supporting Trump. | At one point during the conversation, Destiny laments how individuals on the left consistently eschew all forms of identity politics in favor of preaching about about "class", and act surprised when individuals move to Trump after he adopts a few progressive economic policies. Pxie argues that they should be concerned about this trend, to which Destiny explains that this trend is precisely the reason he "shits on" socialists like [[Hasan Piker]] and [[Kyle Kulinski]]. Destiny explains that most Democrats are generally on board with identity politics, but it's only the "most online" individuals on the left who reduce everything to class that are in danger of shifting towards supporting Trump. | ||
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* [https://youtu.be/wd-LotbVN38?t=1425 23:45] Pxie laments how the right tends to fall in line with one another while the left tends to self-cannibalize. Destiny argues this is simply a result of the Democratic party being in primary season. Pxie questions if people would fall in line with a candidate like Bernie Sanders, Destiny replies yes if his approval rating was high enough. | * [https://youtu.be/wd-LotbVN38?t=1425 23:45] Pxie laments how the right tends to fall in line with one another while the left tends to self-cannibalize. Destiny argues this is simply a result of the Democratic party being in primary season. Pxie questions if people would fall in line with a candidate like Bernie Sanders, Destiny replies yes if his approval rating was high enough. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/wd-LotbVN38?t=1524 25:24] Pxie jokingly asks "So how's my twitter?" | * [https://youtu.be/wd-LotbVN38?t=1524 25:24] Pxie jokingly asks "So how's my twitter?" | ||
* [https://youtu.be/wd-LotbVN38?t=1603 '''26:43'''] Pxie reiterates her concern about Trump being a fascist and the damage he could do with another presidency(even if he adopts UBI and medicare for all). Destiny responds that her primary concern in this case would be identity politics. Destiny laments how individuals on the left constantly eschew all forms of identity politics and prefer to talk about "class", and act surprised when individuals move to Trump after he adopts a few progressive economic policies. Pxie argues that they should be concerned about this trend, to which Destiny explains that this is precisely the reason he "shits on" socialists. Destiny explains that most Democrats are generally on board with identity politics, but it's only the "most online' individuals on the left who reduce everything to class and don't truly care about the poor outcomes as a result of a Trump presidency. | * [https://youtu.be/wd-LotbVN38?t=1603 '''26:43'''] Pxie reiterates her concern about Trump being a fascist and the damage he could do with another presidency (even if he adopts UBI and medicare for all). Destiny responds that her primary concern in this case would be identity politics. Destiny laments how individuals on the left constantly eschew all forms of identity politics and prefer to talk about "class", and act surprised when individuals move to Trump after he adopts a few progressive economic policies. Pxie argues that they should be concerned about this trend, to which Destiny explains that this is precisely the reason he "shits on" socialists. Destiny explains that most Democrats are generally on board with identity politics, but it's only the "most online' individuals on the left who reduce everything to class and don't truly care about the poor outcomes as a result of a Trump presidency. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/wd-LotbVN38?t=1758 29:18] Destiny argues there is not much difference between Trump and Bernie in terms of protectionist policies. Mindwaves argues that the methods these two individuals approach these issues vary. | * [https://youtu.be/wd-LotbVN38?t=1758 29:18] Destiny argues there is not much difference between Trump and Bernie in terms of protectionist policies. Mindwaves argues that the methods these two individuals approach these issues vary. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/wd-LotbVN38?t=1849 30:49] Pxie asks if Mindwaves and Destiny are worried about Trump's adoption of some economic left-leaning policy, and if the DNC is doing enough to court voters based off economic policy and identity politics. | * [https://youtu.be/wd-LotbVN38?t=1849 30:49] Pxie asks if Mindwaves and Destiny are worried about Trump's adoption of some economic left-leaning policy, and if the DNC is doing enough to court voters based off economic policy and identity politics. | ||
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* [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=1434 23:54] Pxie joins the call. Mindwaves and her immediately start fighting. Pxie accuses Mindwaves of subtweeting her, and Mindwaves accuses Pxie of taking things too personally and lying. | * [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=1434 23:54] Pxie joins the call. Mindwaves and her immediately start fighting. Pxie accuses Mindwaves of subtweeting her, and Mindwaves accuses Pxie of taking things too personally and lying. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=1522 25:22] Pxie asserts that she was forced to take screenshots of their messages because Mindwaves was being weasilly. She goes on to accuse Mindwaves of being cowardly by not directly tagging her with his criticism. | * [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=1522 25:22] Pxie asserts that she was forced to take screenshots of their messages because Mindwaves was being weasilly. She goes on to accuse Mindwaves of being cowardly by not directly tagging her with his criticism. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=1665 27:45] Harkening back to an earlier conversation, Mindwaves accuses Pxie of doing the work of Fox news. Pxie takes issue with this criticism, and argues she was simply stating that the Democratic party "losing the optics game" to Trump(with regards to Universal Basic Income) would be bad for the party. | * [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=1665 27:45] Harkening back to an earlier conversation, Mindwaves accuses Pxie of doing the work of Fox news. Pxie takes issue with this criticism, and argues she was simply stating that the Democratic party "losing the optics game" to Trump (with regards to Universal Basic Income) would be bad for the party. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=1750 29:10] Pxie argues that stating Bernie Sanders is not socialist is not doing the work of Fox news. Mindwaves says he tired of this debate, and Pxie demands for Mindwaves to stop subtweeting her. | * [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=1750 29:10] Pxie argues that stating Bernie Sanders is not socialist is not doing the work of Fox news. Mindwaves says he tired of this debate, and Pxie demands for Mindwaves to stop subtweeting her. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=1833 30:33] Mindwaves accuses Pxie of training with Rem before the conversation, Pxie denies doing so, and argues that they were talking about morality in general. She goes on to explain that she refrained from using any of the same arguments she worked out with Rem in their debate. | * [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=1833 30:33] Mindwaves accuses Pxie of training with Rem before the conversation, Pxie denies doing so, and argues that they were talking about morality in general. She goes on to explain that she refrained from using any of the same arguments she worked out with Rem in their debate. | ||
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* [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=3408 56:48] Mindwaves argues that Pxie can't keep issuing correction tweets. Pxie counters she has only done so once. | * [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=3408 56:48] Mindwaves argues that Pxie can't keep issuing correction tweets. Pxie counters she has only done so once. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=3490 58:10] Mindwaves once again argues that Pxie is engaging in irresponsible rhetoric. Pxie argues that she could find similar tweets from Mindwaves. | * [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=3490 58:10] Mindwaves once again argues that Pxie is engaging in irresponsible rhetoric. Pxie argues that she could find similar tweets from Mindwaves. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=3593 59:53] Pxie finds a tweets of Mindwaves that could be construed as irresponsible rhetoric. Mindwaves argue his tweet(mocking Biden for stuttering during a speech) is more defensible than hers, and could not be construed as praise for Donald Trump. Pxie demands for Mindwaves to show an instance of her praising Donald Trump. The two spend some time arguing over who's tweets could be more construed as support for Donald Trump. | * [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=3593 59:53] Pxie finds a tweets of Mindwaves that could be construed as irresponsible rhetoric. Mindwaves argue his tweet (mocking Biden for stuttering during a speech) is more defensible than hers, and could not be construed as praise for Donald Trump. Pxie demands for Mindwaves to show an instance of her praising Donald Trump. The two spend some time arguing over who's tweets could be more construed as support for Donald Trump. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=4067 1:07:47] An irate Mindwaves and Pxie debate "means testing" for several minutes to no avail. | * [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=4067 1:07:47] An irate Mindwaves and Pxie debate "means testing" for several minutes to no avail. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=4541 1:15:41] Mindwaves argues that any tweet made by Pxie that required her to clarify it a million times should not have been made. | * [https://youtu.be/x2RJi2bslOs?t=4541 1:15:41] Mindwaves argues that any tweet made by Pxie that required her to clarify it a million times should not have been made. | ||
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</ref> Pxie primarily served as the moderator for the panel, and therefore had a limited say in the topics discussed. Despite sharing a left-leaning political affiliation, a noticeable rift was present amongst the panelists regarding the best methods of achieving left-wing policy(particularly with regards to the upcoming {{wiki|2020 United States presidential election}}). ImReallyImportant, and Destiny advocated for pragmatic voting strategies, including supporting {{wiki|Democratic}} candidate {{wiki|Joe Biden}} as a means to counter Republican incumbent {{wiki|Donald Trump}} and secure incremental progress. Conversely, Joshua4Congress, melanie and Johnnyscarlett expressed difficulty distinguishing Biden from Trump, and were more closely aligned with the {{wiki|Bernie_Sanders_2016_presidential_campaign#Bernie_or_Bust|Bernie or Bust}} movement. | </ref> Pxie primarily served as the moderator for the panel, and therefore had a limited say in the topics discussed. Despite sharing a left-leaning political affiliation, a noticeable rift was present amongst the panelists regarding the best methods of achieving left-wing policy (particularly with regards to the upcoming {{wiki|2020 United States presidential election}}). ImReallyImportant, and Destiny advocated for pragmatic voting strategies, including supporting {{wiki|Democratic}} candidate {{wiki|Joe Biden}} as a means to counter Republican incumbent {{wiki|Donald Trump}} and secure incremental progress. Conversely, Joshua4Congress, melanie and Johnnyscarlett expressed difficulty distinguishing Biden from Trump, and were more closely aligned with the {{wiki|Bernie_Sanders_2016_presidential_campaign#Bernie_or_Bust|Bernie or Bust}} movement. | ||
During the debate, Destiny took particular issue with Joshua4Congress claiming to have trouble discerning the intent of Biden's policies as a result of his {{wiki|Autism}}. Destiny argued that Joshua was using a "cop-out", and that his alleged disability does not excuse his inability to understand or articulate policy positions. Following the debate, Joshua claimed in his {{wiki|Discord}} server that he was very tired and hungry, which resulted in his suboptimal debate performance.<ref>{{cite | During the debate, Destiny took particular issue with Joshua4Congress claiming to have trouble discerning the intent of Biden's policies as a result of his {{wiki|Autism}}. Destiny argued that Joshua was using a "cop-out", and that his alleged disability does not excuse his inability to understand or articulate policy positions. Following the debate, Joshua claimed in his {{wiki|Discord}} server that he was very tired and hungry, which resulted in his suboptimal debate performance.<ref>{{cite | ||
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* [https://youtu.be/cX7Y8O4FbzI?t=3219 53:39] Pxie joins the call. The debate on community moderation, and Destiny's onstream treatment of orbiters continues. | * [https://youtu.be/cX7Y8O4FbzI?t=3219 53:39] Pxie joins the call. The debate on community moderation, and Destiny's onstream treatment of orbiters continues. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/cX7Y8O4FbzI?t=4276 1:11:06] Brittany says he's unsure why Max and Lav need Destiny to protect them. She also questions why the two are so eager to give up any agency they may have to Destiny. Pxie chimes in, and claims MrGirl and Lav are attempting to absolve responsibility for their actions. MrGirl later claims he is not entitled, and Pxie takes issue. | * [https://youtu.be/cX7Y8O4FbzI?t=4276 1:11:06] Brittany says he's unsure why Max and Lav need Destiny to protect them. She also questions why the two are so eager to give up any agency they may have to Destiny. Pxie chimes in, and claims MrGirl and Lav are attempting to absolve responsibility for their actions. MrGirl later claims he is not entitled, and Pxie takes issue. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/cX7Y8O4FbzI?t=4939 1:22:19] Destiny explains Pxie position after MrGirl misentrepts it(regarding professional and friendship boundaries). | * [https://youtu.be/cX7Y8O4FbzI?t=4939 1:22:19] Destiny explains Pxie position after MrGirl misentrepts it (regarding professional and friendship boundaries). | ||
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Pxie is an American livestreamer and political commentator. She first appeared on stream with Destiny during a Mindwaves debate panel to discuss the justifiability of edgy language in private. Since that debate, Pxie has occasionally appeared on Destiny's stream to discuss hot-button political/social issues, and participate in informal conversations with Destiny regarding on-stream events.
Pxie was nominated for the 2023 Destiny Award for Buddy of the Year, and the 2019 Destiny Award for Ally of the Year.
Political Advocacy
Although Pxie's on-stream interactions and debates with Destiny have been infrequent as of late, she has played an active role in political advocacy initiatives by DGG. This role has included participation in DGG canvassing campaigns, and assisting in on-stream election coverage with Destiny.[1][2][3]
Lawsuit against Destiny
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Pxie (aka supreme goddess) @pxielovee |
| On Nov 29, the streamer Destiny non consensually shared my nudes, making me a victim of revenge porn. I will be suing him in federal court. Here is my story; |
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On November 29, 2024 illicit images of Destiny and various content creators were spread following a leak by a compromised third party account he had been messaging.[4]
On January 20, 2025 Pxie publicly accused Destiny of non-consensually sharing her private images in an act of revenge porn 
. In her statement, Pxie claims that Destiny had shared these images without her consent, and announced her intention to pursue legal action in federal court. Accompanying the announcement, she provided a link to a fundraising campaign to support her case.
Pxie elaborated further in her Substack article titled "I will be suing Steven Kenneth Bonnell II". [5][6]
Allegation
Pxie claims that Destiny distributed her intimate images without her consent to another individual through Discord , who subsequently "published [these images] to the whole world". In her statement, Pxie suggests that while it is plausible Destiny shared the images to impress the individual he sent them to, it is equally likely that he used this person as a proxy to facilitate the widespread distribution of the material while maintaining plausible deniability. She states that the leaks of her intimate images by Destiny, coupled with the resulting relentless sexual harassment and abuse from individuals online, left her emotionally devastated and devoid of happiness. [5]
Evidence presented
In her Substack, Pxie included the following evidence:
- A message from Destiny apologizing for his actions[7]
- Destiny allegedly downplaying her concerns[8]
- Destiny offering to cover some of her expense[9]
Destiny's response
On January 20, 2025 Destiny issued a response to Pxie's announcement through his subreddit. In the post, Destiny claims that sensitive and personal material of his was leaked without his consent in November, affecting him and others in his life. He claims to have avoided speaking publicly about the matter due to ongoing legal actions, concerns about further harm to the victims, and a personal decision to avoid “drama” content.[10]
Pxie, being one of the individuals involved in the leak, was emotionally distraught as a result of the ordeal. Destiny claims to have made efforts to address Pxie’s emotional vulnerability at the time, and provided several screenshots of their direct message exchanges for supporting evidence in the body of the post. Among these messages included Destiny offering to assist Pxie emotionally and, at the suggestion of a mutual friend, financially. Destiny claims that despite these attempts, Pxie indicated dissatisfaction with any potential financial resolution, with mutual friends suggesting she sought compensation in the range of $500,000 to $1,000,000. Destiny explains that he grew increasingly uncomfortable with the framing of financial punishment Pxie continuously expressed as a means to "teach him a lesson," especially given the severe personal harm he claims to have already experienced. As a result, Destiny states he eventually cut off contact with Pxie.[10]
At the post's conclusion, Destiny states he has not violated any laws, did not intentionally disseminate these images to the broader public, and will rely on the legal process to resolve the matter.[10]
Response to post
Several comments in Destiny's post noted that he failed to address the issue of sharing Pxie's explicit images without her consent to another individual. These comments pointed out that while Destiny focused extensively on the fallout, including the emotional and financial implications for all parties, he did not directly address his alleged role in disseminating the material. [11]
Destiny discussing lawsuit on stream
Destiny Addresses His Lawsuit (Feb 21, 2025)
Transcript From Destiny's Court Hearing. (Apr 28, 2025)
Lawyers Respond To Destiny, Want Him And His Attorney Sanctioned... (May 06, 2025)
Destiny's Lawsuit Situation Escalates. (May 11, 2025)
They're Not Happy Destiny Is Talking About His Lawsuit... (May 18, 2025)
Destiny Reacts To His Gag Order - Lawsuit Update (June 03, 2025)
Destiny's Court Hearing Nearly Brings Him To Tears (June 05, 2025)
Destiny's Lawsuit Just Got Even Wackier... (June 09, 2025)
Destiny Fights For His Court Transcript (June 18, 2025)
Jane Doe is SLANDERING Destiny (June 19, 2025)
Destiny's Case Is A Nightmare. (June 27, 2025)
The Case is Falling Apart. (July 15, 2025)
Destiny's Court Case TAKES TURN As Star Witness Vanishes (July 27, 2025)
Destiny's court situation is unhinged... (Sept 05, 2025)
This Could End Destiny's Court Case.. (Sept 22, 2025)
Pxie's "Expert" ATTACKS Destiny — Gets EXPOSED Instead (Oct 13, 2025)
Major Judge Rulings In Destiny's Court Case.. (Oct 14, 2025)
Destiny's Final Response — And Legal Mindset's Brain Melt (Oct 15, 2025)
Destiny Court Case Escalates And The Hague Convention Gets Brought In... (Oct 18, 2025)
Destiny's Court Transcripts Released (Oct 28, 2025)
Motion for Protective Order to Coordinate Deposition Scheduling (Nov 04, 2025)
(Topic starts at 02:32:20)
Major Lawsuit Bombshell Just Dropped... (Nov 18, 2025)
THEY'RE DELETING EVIDENCE! Destiny's Lawsuit Takes Another Insane Turn (Dec 4, 2025)
Destiny Talks About The Cost Of His Court Case (Dec 27, 2025)
The Victim Finally Testifies In Court (Jan 7, 2026)
Destiny Talks About What Will Happen if His Case Goes to Trial (Feb 5, 2026)
Judge Hasn't Ruled In 5 Months On Destiny's Court Case (what's happening?) (March 27, 2026)
Destiny's Court Case Is Starting To Move... (FINALLY) (March 30)
The Trial Battle Begins... (March 31, 2026)
Expert Lawyer Tells Destiny What's Coming Next In His Case (April 15, 2026)
Destiny Can't Believe How Bad Their Case Is... (Apr 18, 2026)
lawsuit update (Apr 15 & 19, 2026)
The Judge Called Destiny (Apr 21, 2026)
Jane Doe Rage Quits Deposition (Apr 28 & 29, 2026)
Lawyers MELTDOWN During Destiny's Deposition (May 1, 2026)
Reading Depositions As Plaintiff & Snarkers FREAK OUT (May 8 & 10, 2026)
WillyMacShow Shows Up During Lawsuit Debate (May 13, 2026)
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she sent a f*cking warning??? (May 28 & June 2, 2026)
Notable Debates
Pxie debates Playingwithfire
Michael Knowles vs Pxie, Farha, and Jasmine
Whatever podcast debate with Andrew Wilson
External Links
References
- ↑ Destiny (November 5, 2024). "Trump Wins The Election LIVE REACTION AND AFTERMATH". Retrieved 2024, December 6.
- ↑ PV Archive (February 11, 2024). "Ohio Canvassing Newscast Couch Ft. @imreallyimportant & @DylanBurnsLIVE". Retrieved 2024, December 5.
- ↑ Erin and Pxie in the Wild: Knocking on Doors in Ohio (November 3, 2022). "Erin and Pxie in the Wild: Knocking on Doors in Ohio". Retrieved 2024, December 6.
- ↑ Arazu.io (December 1, 2024). "Media:Destiny_responds_to_porn_leak_rumors.mp4 Destiny responds to porn leak rumors". Retrieved 2025, January 21.
- ↑ 5.0 5.1 Pxie412 Substack. "[https://archive.ph/7ftag Archive I will be suing Steven Kenneth Bonnell]". Retrieved 2025, January 20.
- ↑ pxielovee (@pxielovee) (1 20, 2025). "[https://archive.ph/U92Od Archive "On Nov 29, the streamer Destiny non consensually shared..."]". Retrieved 2025, January 20.
- ↑ Imgur (1 20, 2025). "[https://archive.ph/pIEio Archive Phone Calls Apology]". Retrieved 2025, January 20.
- ↑ Imgur (1 20, 2025). "[https://archive.ph/MI41H Archive Downplaying Feelings]". Retrieved 2025, January 20.
- ↑ Imgur (1 20, 2025). "[https://archive.ph/BZJQp Archive Offering to Pay Some Bills]". Retrieved 2025, January 20.
- ↑ 10.0 10.1 10.2 r/Destiny (January 20, 2025). "[https://archive.ph/zsWCE#selection-1651.0-1785.416 Archive Legal arc beginning in mysterious ways such wow]". Retrieved 2025, January 20.
- ↑ r/Destiny (January 20, 2025). "[comment_1, comment_2, comment_3 Destiny post responses]". Retrieved 2025, January 20.