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During the conversation, Destiny argues that Vaush and SRS's definition of the concept of "enthusiastic consent" would likely result in the majority of otherwise consensual sexual-interactions between partners being labled as rape and greatly weakens the meaning of the word "rape". Vaush responds that he has never heard a rape victim disagree with how fervently they persecute rapists, and that he is content with such standards as it allows for rapists to be more easily persecuted. A similar conversation is carried on throughout the call with Destiny pointing to various ways in which SRS paints instances of "rape" or other methods of consent violation with too broad of a brush, and Vaush countering that such an overzealous tactic is justified as it is more important to "do right" by the individuals suffering the most from such instances, than appeasing their critics or avoid harming individuals who may inadvertently be caught in the crossfire. | |||
The two would go on to argue about whether the world will inevitably become a more progressive place. Vaush being of the position that society will inevitability become more progressive, and the conversation they're currently having is moot. Destiny counters that if this is the case, there would be no point in discussing everything, and that such an assertion is deeply insulting to individuals who who took great strides to enact changes during great "progressive" moments in history like the Civil Rights era. Following this explanation, Vaush replies by tempering his initial statement, stating that this "progressive bend" is only the case as long as progressives continue to "do their job". | |||
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* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=3339 55:39] Destiny states Vaush and members of SRS are making the word "rape" seem a lot less powerful than it is. | * [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=3339 55:39] Destiny states Vaush and members of SRS are making the word "rape" seem a lot less powerful than it is. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=3450 57:30] Vaush claims that as society grows to be more progressive, the line between what's right and what's wrong will be very thin and mean very different things(much like Racism in the 50s compared to today). Vaush goes on to claim that he and the subreddit care more about doing right by the individuals suffering the most from such instances, than appeasing those who may be caught in the crossfire. Destiny reiterates his point regarding SRS alienating potential supporters. | * [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=3450 57:30] Vaush claims that as society grows to be more progressive, the line between what's right and what's wrong will be very thin and mean very different things(much like Racism in the 50s compared to today). Vaush goes on to claim that he and the subreddit care more about doing right by the individuals suffering the most from such instances, than appeasing those who may be caught in the crossfire. Destiny reiterates his point regarding SRS alienating potential supporters. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=3606 1:00:06] Vaush asserts that the argument they're having is moot, and that the world will become a much more progressive place in 200 years, and that society will inevitability become more progressive. Destiny argues that there's no point in saying anything at all if this is the case. Vaush replies that he likes hearing the sound of his own voice. | * [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=3606 1:00:06] Vaush asserts that the argument they're having is moot, and that the world will become a much more progressive place in 200 years, and that society will inevitability become more progressive. Destiny argues that there's no point in saying anything at all if this is the case. Vaush replies that he likes hearing the sound of his own voice. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=3675 1:01:15] Destiny takes issue with Vaush's assertion that "things will change on their own", arguing that such a statement is an insult to those who took great strides to enact changes during the Civil Rights era. Vaush replies by tempering his initial statement, stating that this "progressive bend" is only the case as long as progressives continue to "do their job" | |||
* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=3781 1:03:01] The two debate SRS's overuse of the word rape once more. Destiny draws a comparison to 1984 and "new speak". The two go on to debate whether changing the definition of rape constitutes "new speak". | |||
* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=3918 1:05:18] Destiny argues it is never acceptable to sacrifice intellectual integrity to further a cause. Vaush counters he would not do "anything" to further feminism if the cost is too great. | |||
*[https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=4216 1:10:16] Vaush argues a balance must be struck between intellectual integrity and the safety/well being of the people they discuss. He goes on to argue that getting caught up in debating differences between oppressed and oppressors will allow bigots to get attached to their movement like a barnacle(pointing specifically to "social Darwinism" as a "plague". | |||
* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=4359 1:12:39] Vaush states the end goal is to allow for no threats to be present against these indivdiuals. Destiny counters that this is "nazi-ism 101". | |||
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Ian Kochinski (born February 14, 1994), better known as Vaush, Veesh[1], Voosh, Vowsh, Vorsh or IrishLaddie, is an American left-wing YouTuber and former orbiter of Destiny. The earliest recorded interaction between Vaush and Destiny occurred in December 2012, when they discussed feminism.[2] Sometimes his hands are cold.
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Vaush began streaming on Twitch under the name IrishLaddie before rebranding to Vaush. He describes himself as a libertarian socialist and frequently covers topics related to left-wing politics, social justice, and online political discourse. He built a significant following on YouTube and Twitch through political commentary, debates, and react content.
Relationship with Destiny
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Vaush and Destiny's relationship has gone through several distinct phases over the years. Their earliest known interaction dates back to December 2012, when Vaush(Then Irishladdie) appeared on Destiny's stream to discuss feminism and revolution. During the mid-to-late 2010s, the two maintained a largely friendly dynamic, frequently collaborating on political discussions and debate panels.
Their relationship became increasingly strained over time due to political disagreements, personal conflicts, and various disputes over online conduct. Tensions escalated through 2020 with debates like their confrontation over the morality of Kyle Rittenhouse in August 2020. The relationship reached its breaking point in February 2021 when Vaush called out Destiny over his PhilosophyTube tweets, leading to a heated debate[3] that effectively ended their relationship. By this point, the two had largely become adversarial, and the limited interactions since then have been more hostile than collaborative.
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Notable Appearances and on-stream reactions
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03-30-2025 Destiny Reacts To Vaush Calling Democrats Psyops...
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02-09-2024 Vaush Gets Away w/ Wild Arguments In Israel Debate, Triggers Destiny
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10-05-2023 Vaush Attacks Destiny's Community After Coalition Panel
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10-04-2023 Infighting And Bridging Divides | Vaush, Emma Vigeland And Destiny Vidcon Panel
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09-30-2023 Debating Vaush, Emma Vigeland And Ryan Grim At The White House
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04-06-2022 Destiny Reacts To Vaush Manifesto Post
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02-12-2022 Destiny Confronts Vaush (Irishladdie) on History of Sexual Harassment
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10-30-2021 Destiny Debates Vaush On New Panel | Cops Vs Social Workers
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10-13-2021 Destiny Debates Vaush, Economics Professor And The Moderator (LIVE)
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06-11-2021 Destiny vs Vaush Debate Gets HEATED And ESCALATES Out Of Control...
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03-18-2021 Destiny And Vaush Hot Drop Into Chaotic Debate Panel
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02-09-2021 Vaush Calls Out Destiny For PhilosophyTube Tweets | DEBATE
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08-26-2020 Vaush vs Destiny Debate - Morality of Kyle Rittenhouse
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03-22-2020 You have no policy solution - Debate with Vaush
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12-01-2019 Is Taxation Theft? ft. Exskillsme & Irishladdie AKA Vaush
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01-26-2018 Political Violence - Debate with IrishLaddie AKA Vaush
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09-20-2017 Discussion with Irishladdie AKA Vaush
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04-04-2017 Talking with my buddy Vaush AKA Irish Laddie about the rise of Trump and communism(?)
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03-30-2015 Conversations with Irishladdie AKA Vaush
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12-26-2012 A conversation with Vaush (Irishladdie): feminism and the revolution WIP
On December 12, 2026 Destiny hosts a roughly two-hour long Skype 
call with a Shit Reddit Says (SRS) subreddit member and self-described feminist, Vaush (at the time known as Irishladdie).[23] This conversation comes just months after ShitRedditSays had successfully pressured sponsors to get Destiny removed from ROOT Gaming in August 2012.[24] Despite this, the conversation is largely civil, and the two discuss topics such as rape culture, racism, internalized misogyny, and whether ShitRedditSays' "Project Panda" campaign against a creepshots subreddit was justified(the same sponsor-pressure tactic that had been used against Destiny himself). [25]
During the conversation, Destiny argues that Vaush and SRS's definition of the concept of "enthusiastic consent" would likely result in the majority of otherwise consensual sexual-interactions between partners being labled as rape and greatly weakens the meaning of the word "rape". Vaush responds that he has never heard a rape victim disagree with how fervently they persecute rapists, and that he is content with such standards as it allows for rapists to be more easily persecuted. A similar conversation is carried on throughout the call with Destiny pointing to various ways in which SRS paints instances of "rape" or other methods of consent violation with too broad of a brush, and Vaush countering that such an overzealous tactic is justified as it is more important to "do right" by the individuals suffering the most from such instances, than appeasing their critics or avoid harming individuals who may inadvertently be caught in the crossfire.
The two would go on to argue about whether the world will inevitably become a more progressive place. Vaush being of the position that society will inevitability become more progressive, and the conversation they're currently having is moot. Destiny counters that if this is the case, there would be no point in discussing everything, and that such an assertion is deeply insulting to individuals who who took great strides to enact changes during great "progressive" moments in history like the Civil Rights era. Following this explanation, Vaush replies by tempering his initial statement, stating that this "progressive bend" is only the case as long as progressives continue to "do their job".
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References
- ↑ YouTube (July 7, 2024). "Finishing Chevron | Figuring out what it means to be an American :) (core values evaluation)". Retrieved 2024, August 6.
- ↑ YouTube (June 13, 2021). "2012-12-26 A conversation with Vaush (Irishladdie): feminism and the revolution". Retrieved 2023, August 25.
- ↑ YouTube (February 9, 2021). "Vaush Calls Out Destiny For PhilosophyTube Tweets | DEBATE". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (March 30, 2025). "Destiny Reacts To Vaush Calling Democrats Psyops...". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (February 9, 2024). "Vaush Gets Away w/ Wild Arguments In Israel Debate, Triggers Destiny". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (October 5, 2023). "Vaush Attacks Destiny's Community After Coalition Panel". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (October 4, 2023). "Infighting And Bridging Divides | Vaush, Emma Vigeland And Destiny Vidcon Panel". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (September 30, 2023). "Debating Vaush, Emma Vigeland And Ryan Grim At The White House". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (April 6, 2022). "Destiny Reacts To Vaush Manifesto Post". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (February 12, 2022). "Destiny Confronts Vaush (Irishladdie) on History of Sexual Harassment (Combined Perspective)". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (October 30, 2021). "Destiny Debates Vaush On New Panel | Cops Vs Social Workers". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (October 13, 2021). "Destiny Debates Vaush, Economics Professor And The Moderator (LIVE)". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (June 11, 2021). "Destiny vs Vaush Debate Gets HEATED And ESCALATES Out Of Control...". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (March 18, 2021). "Destiny And Vaush Hot Drop Into Chaotic Debate Panel". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (February 9, 2021). "Vaush Calls Out Destiny For PhilosophyTube Tweets | DEBATE". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (August 26, 2020). "Vaush vs Destiny Debate - Morality of Kyle Rittenhouse". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (March 22, 2020). "You have no policy solution - Debate with Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (December 1, 2019). "Is Taxation Theft? ft. Exskillsme & Irishladdie AKA Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (January 26, 2018). "Political Violence - Debate with IrishLaddie AKA Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (September 20, 2017). "Discussion with Irishladdie AKA Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (March 30, 2017). "Talking with my buddy Vaush AKA Irish Laddie about the rise of Trump and communism(?)". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ YouTube (June 22, 2015). "Conversations with Irishladdie AKA Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 25.
- ↑ YouTube (December 26, 2012). "2012-12-26 A conversation with Vaush (Irishladdie): feminism and the revolution". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
- ↑ TeamLiquid (August2012). "Destiny and ROOT part ways". Retrieved 2026, March 28.
- ↑ Reddit (January2014). "Doxgate: The closing of r/creepshots and the Gawker exposé of Violentacrez". Retrieved 2026, March 28.