Hasan and Destiny Break Up Over Kamala Misinformation: Difference between revisions
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|quote=[https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=94 ''I went through the claims on the video, because I was curious how much of it was maybe exaggerated a little bit, how much of it was completely correct, and then "was there anything in here that was wrong". When I started to go through the claims in this video about Kamala Harris, almost every single thing Hasan says in this video is either dead wrong or horribly stretched out of what's actually happening... Almost every single point, and it actually was like really frustrating to listen to.''] | |quote=[https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=94 ''I went through the claims on the video, because I was curious how much of it was maybe exaggerated a little bit, how much of it was completely correct, and then "was there anything in here that was wrong". When I started to go through the claims in this video about Kamala Harris, almost every single thing Hasan says in this video is either dead wrong or horribly stretched out of what's actually happening... Almost every single point, and it actually was like really frustrating to listen to.''] | ||
|name=Destiny on Hasan's You Don't want Kopmala Harris video.}} | |name=Destiny on Hasan's You Don't want Kopmala Harris video.}} | ||
Destiny provides the following examples of bad faith critiques made by Hasan throughout the video: | Destiny provides the following examples of bad faith critiques made by Hasan throughout the video: | ||
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* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=1478 24:38] Destiny finds out that prior to Harris's policy, truancy citations were only issued to parents whose children missed more than fifty days of school(none of which were placed in jail). Following Harris's law, students who missed more than 10% of school days in a year(19 days) without a valid excuse would be subject to a truancy citation. | * [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=1478 24:38] Destiny finds out that prior to Harris's policy, truancy citations were only issued to parents whose children missed more than fifty days of school(none of which were placed in jail). Following Harris's law, students who missed more than 10% of school days in a year(19 days) without a valid excuse would be subject to a truancy citation. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=1648 27:28] A chatter informs Destiny that the truancy policy would disproportionately affect people of color, which is why several people took issue with it. Destiny counters that this is not necessarily bad, especially if people of color were disproportionately having issues sending their children to school. Destiny goes on to argue that the central point of the policy was to provide struggling parents the necessary resources in order to send their children to school. Destiny argues that Hasan disingenuously framed the clip of Harris "touting" the policy to make it seem like she was celebrating sending the "gestapo" to poor families. | * [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=1648 27:28] A chatter informs Destiny that the truancy policy would disproportionately affect people of color, which is why several people took issue with it. Destiny counters that this is not necessarily bad, especially if people of color were disproportionately having issues sending their children to school. Destiny goes on to argue that the central point of the policy was to provide struggling parents the necessary resources in order to send their children to school. Destiny argues that Hasan disingenuously framed the clip of Harris "touting" the policy to make it seem like she was celebrating sending the "gestapo" to poor families. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=1970 32:50] Destiny reiterates that the goal of the policy was to "break the cycle" of poverty, by pushing people to send their children to school, not to simply put the "poorest in society in prison and give them fines they can't pay". Destiny mentions that Harris alleges a 20% increase in children attendance for her district following the institution of the policy, indicating it truly had a positive effect. | |||
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Destiny spends the next hour of his stream fielding questions from his chat and expressing his overall disappointment with individuals in DGG defending Hasan's seemingly unfair position towards Harris, as well as Hasan himself for disseminating such misinformation. Throughout this portion of the stream, Destiny makes clear his regret towards previously making "blanket statements of hate" towards police officers, argues similar statements are a really poor way of making evaluations, and reiterates that Hasan's video could be boiled down to "I really hate cops". | Destiny spends the next hour of his stream fielding questions from his chat and expressing his overall disappointment with individuals in DGG defending Hasan's seemingly unfair position towards Harris, as well as Hasan himself for disseminating such misinformation. Throughout this portion of the stream, Destiny makes clear his regret towards previously making "blanket statements of hate" towards police officers, argues similar statements are a really poor way of making evaluations, and reiterates that Hasan's video could be boiled down to "I really hate cops". | ||
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|quote=[https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=1928 ''Man, I really really regret all my previous tweets about hating cops, I shouldn't have, I shouldn't have done it so much. I don't think it's good to just blanket hate cops, any more than it's good to blanket hate anybody. I don't think it's a good thing to do. I think there are a lot of shit fucking cops in the US and we have institutional problems with cops in the US, but it really blinds you to seeing anything in an objective manner, when you see a cop, and you instantly like hate every single thing associated with them. I don't know, I think it's a really bad way to go about evaluating a person.''] | |||
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* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=1648 27:28] A chatter informs Destiny that the truancy policy would disproportionately affect people of color, which is why several people had problems with it. Destiny counters that this is not necessarily bad, especially if people of color were having issues sending their children to school. | * [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=1648 27:28] A chatter informs Destiny that the truancy policy would disproportionately affect people of color, which is why several people had problems with it. Destiny counters that this is not necessarily bad, especially if people of color were having issues sending their children to school. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=1928 32:08] Destiny says he regrets making "blanket statements of hate" towards police officers. | * [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=1928 32:08] Destiny says he regrets making "blanket statements of hate" towards police officers. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=2068 34:28] Destiny argues that of all the potential applications of utilizing police officers, using them to encourage parents to send their children to school is the most preferable for a positive community impact. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=2121 35:21] Destiny argues with a chatter who claims parents who don't feed their children should be arrested following Destiny's logic. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=3076 51:16] Hasan joins the stream. | * [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=3076 51:16] Hasan joins the stream. | ||
Revision as of 17:04, 19 August 2024
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On July 9, 2019 Destiny and Hasan had a very heated discussion regarding American politician Kamala Harris, leading to their first major fallout. [1] Following their onstream "breakup", both streamers created reddit threads regarding their takeaways from the discussion, and ultimately cut ties with one another for some time.
Destiny discusses Hasan's "You don't want Kopmala Harris" video.
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Kamala is cool: 16% Lukewarm on Kamala: 60% Hate Kamala: 24% |
Kamala is cool: 9% Lukewarm on Kamala: 43% Hate Kamala: 48% |
This discussion arose following Destiny's viewing of "You Don't Want Cop-Mala Harris" on Hasan's channel. Prior to and after viewing the video, Destiny polled his audience(see right) to determine their favorability towards Harris. Following the poll's completion, Destiny found that his audience held a more disfavorable view towards Harris after viewing the video. Upon seeing the results, Destiny explains that he fact-checked every claim by Hasan made in the video, and ultimately concluded that Hasan was wrong in several instances and may have even created the video in bad faith. Destiny went on to chide Hasan for erroneously spreading disinformation about a potential democratic candidate during an election year.
Destiny provides the following examples of bad faith critiques made by Hasan throughout the video:
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ICE | 2:53 Hasan claims that Kamala supported a law in 2008 that forced schools to turn over undocumented students to ICE. | Destiny explains that while he could find no information regarding the specific law Hasan is referring to, he was able to find information regarding a law established in that same year which allowed for illegal immigrants charged with a crime to be referred to ICE. Destiny goes on to explain that the law originated following an illegal immigrant being charged with the murder of three individuals, and that Kamala has recently stated that she regrets supporting the law. A chatter later asks if Destiny thinks this video is worse than any others critiquing Harris, given that Kamala is one of the "weirdest" areas of left-wing extreme bias. Destiny replies that it's not weird at all if one takes into account that people on the left hate cops, and that Hasan's video could be boiled down to "I really hate cops". |
Truancy policy | 9:02 Hasan claims that Harris instituted a harsh, punitive, and dehumanizing truancy policy towards low income and single-parent families which involved "Lock[ing] innocent black mothers up for truancy". Hasan goes on to claim that Harris incarcerated a single, homeless mother of three working two jobs because her children were truants, and then touted it as a success story. Hasan went on to critique Harris for sending a "gestapo force" of intimidating officers(like homicide and gang detectives) to "scare the shit out of a homeless mother of three" into ensuring her children attended school. |
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How Kamala could have bolstered individuals. |
17:22 Hasan argues that Harris should have sought other ways to bolster individuals in her district that did not involve criminal prosecution. |
Destiny argues that as a District Attorney, Harris's primary responsibilities included law enforcement and public safety, and therefore, it was natural for her to use those tools to address issues like truancy. Destiny further argued that Harris did not have the the power to create social programs, allocate financial incentives, or directly address broader socio-economic issues. Destiny maintains that Harris's role was limited to enforcing the law and using legal measures to address problems within her jurisdiction. Destiny felt that Hasan's criticism did not fully account for these limitations, and unfairly blamed Harris for not pursuing solutions that were beyond her control as a DA. |
Destiny spends the next hour of his stream fielding questions from his chat and expressing his overall disappointment with individuals in DGG defending Hasan's seemingly unfair position towards Harris, as well as Hasan himself for disseminating such misinformation. Throughout this portion of the stream, Destiny makes clear his regret towards previously making "blanket statements of hate" towards police officers, argues similar statements are a really poor way of making evaluations, and reiterates that Hasan's video could be boiled down to "I really hate cops".
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Hasan joins the stream
Destiny and Hasan create reddit threads following the debate WIP
https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/cbdj2w/on_bootyjudge/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/cayg1e/if_destiny_wants_to_remain_morally_consistent_he/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/cgsvav/effort_post_rdestiny_v_rhasan_piker_hate_threads/
Hasanabi And Destiny BREAK UP Aftermath, Hasan types in dgg chat while Destiny discusses their breakup WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCsvkP_sVQw
- ↑ Destiny. (2019, July 9). Hasanabi And Destiny BREAK UP Over Kamala Misinformation. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLfAuWe3xho
- ↑ The image provided is a screenshot of Destiny posting the strawpoll to members of his chat. Following the closure of strawpoll.me, the links Destiny provided in these logs are now broken.
- ↑ Media:HasanDestinyKamalaChatterban.jpg