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	Ian Kochinski
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Ian Kochinski (born February 14, 1994), better known as Vaush, Veesh^[1], Voosh, Vowsh, Vorsh or IrishLaddie, is an American left-wing YouTuber and former orbiter of Destiny. The earliest recorded interaction between Vaush and Destiny occurred in December 2012, when they discussed feminism.^[2] Sometimes his hands are cold.

Background

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Vaush began streaming on Twitch under the name IrishLaddie before rebranding to Vaush. He describes himself as a libertarian socialist and frequently covers topics related to left-wing politics, social justice, and online political discourse. He built a significant following on YouTube and Twitch through political commentary, debates, and react content.

Relationship with Destiny

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Vaush and Destiny's relationship has gone through several distinct phases over the years. Their earliest known interaction dates back to December 2012, when Vaush(Then Irishladdie) appeared on Destiny's stream to discuss feminism and revolution. During the mid-to-late 2010s, the two maintained a largely friendly dynamic, frequently collaborating on political discussions and debate panels.

Their relationship became increasingly strained over time due to political disagreements, personal conflicts, and various disputes over online conduct. Tensions escalated through 2020 with debates like their confrontation over the morality of Kyle Rittenhouse in August 2020. The relationship reached its breaking point in February 2021 when Vaush called out Destiny over his PhilosophyTube tweets, leading to a heated debate^[3] that effectively ended their relationship. By this point, the two had largely become adversarial, and the limited interactions since then have been more hostile than collaborative.

Fortress Arc

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Notable Appearances and on-stream reactions

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03-30-2025 Destiny Reacts To Vaush Calling Democrats Psyops...

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Destiny Reacts To Vaush Calling Democrats Psyops...

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02-09-2024 Vaush Gets Away w/ Wild Arguments In Israel Debate, Triggers Destiny

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Vaush Gets Away w/ Wild Arguments In Israel Debate, Triggers Destiny

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10-05-2023 Vaush Attacks Destiny's Community After Coalition Panel

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Vaush Attacks Destiny's Community After Coalition Panel

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10-04-2023 Infighting And Bridging Divides | Vaush, Emma Vigeland And Destiny Vidcon Panel

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Infighting And Bridging Divides | Vaush, Emma Vigeland And Destiny Vidcon Panel

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09-30-2023 Debating Vaush, Emma Vigeland And Ryan Grim At The White House

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Debating Vaush, Emma Vigeland And Ryan Grim At The White House

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04-06-2022 Destiny Reacts To Vaush Manifesto Post

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Destiny Reacts To Vaush Manifesto Post

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02-12-2022 Destiny Confronts Vaush (Irishladdie) on History of Sexual Harassment

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Destiny Confronts Vaush (Irishladdie) on History of Sexual Harassment

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10-30-2021 Destiny Debates Vaush On New Panel | Cops Vs Social Workers

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Destiny Debates Vaush On New Panel | Cops Vs Social Workers

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10-13-2021 Destiny Debates Vaush, Economics Professor And The Moderator (LIVE)

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Destiny Debates Vaush, Economics Professor And The Moderator (LIVE)

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06-11-2021 Destiny vs Vaush Debate Gets HEATED And ESCALATES Out Of Control...

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Destiny vs Vaush Debate Gets HEATED And ESCALATES Out Of Control...

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03-18-2021 Destiny And Vaush Hot Drop Into Chaotic Debate Panel

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Destiny And Vaush Hot Drop Into Chaotic Debate Panel

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02-09-2021 Vaush Calls Out Destiny For PhilosophyTube Tweets | DEBATE

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Vaush Calls Out Destiny For PhilosophyTube Tweets | DEBATE

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08-26-2020 Vaush vs Destiny Debate - Morality of Kyle Rittenhouse

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Vaush vs Destiny Debate - Morality of Kyle Rittenhouse

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03-22-2020 You have no policy solution - Debate with Vaush

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You have no policy solution - Debate with Vaush

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12-01-2019 Is Taxation Theft? ft. Exskillsme & Irishladdie AKA Vaush

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Is Taxation Theft? ft. Exskillsme & Irishladdie AKA Vaush

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01-26-2018 Political Violence - Debate with IrishLaddie AKA Vaush

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Political Violence - Debate with IrishLaddie AKA Vaush

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09-20-2017 Discussion with Irishladdie AKA Vaush

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Discussion with Irishladdie AKA Vaush

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04-04-2017 Talking with my buddy Vaush AKA Irish Laddie about the rise of Trump and communism(?)

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Talking with my buddy Vaush AKA Irish Laddie about the rise of Trump and communism(?)

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03-30-2015 Conversations with Irishladdie AKA Vaush

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Conversations with Irishladdie AKA Vaush

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12-26-2012 A conversation with Vaush (Irishladdie): feminism and the revolution WIP

2012-12-26 A conversation with Vaush (Irishladdie): feminism and the revolution

On December 12, 2026 Destiny hosts a roughly two-hour long Skype call with a Shit Reddit Says (SRS) subreddit member and self-described feminist, Vaush (at the time known as Irishladdie).^[23] This conversation comes just months after ShitRedditSays had successfully pressured sponsors to get Destiny removed from ROOT Gaming in August 2012.^[24] Despite this, the conversation is largely civil, and the two discuss topics such as rape culture, racism, internalized misogyny, and whether ShitRedditSays' "Project Panda" campaign against a creepshots subreddit was justified(the same sponsor-pressure tactic that had been used against Destiny himself). ^[25]

During the conversation, Destiny argues that Vaush and SRS's definition of the concept of "enthusiastic consent" would likely result in the majority of otherwise consensual sexual-interactions between partners being labled as rape and greatly weakens the meaning of the word "rape". Vaush responds that he has never heard a rape victim disagree with how fervently they persecute rapists, and that he is content with such standards as it allows for rapists to be more easily persecuted. A similar conversation is carried on throughout the call with Destiny pointing to various ways in which SRS paints instances of "rape" or other methods of consent violation with too broad of a brush, and Vaush countering that such an overzealous tactic is justified as it is more important to "do right" by the individuals suffering the most from such instances than appeasing their critics or avoid harming individuals who may inadvertently be caught in the crossfire.

The two would go on to argue about whether the world will inevitably become a more progressive place. Vaush being of the position that society will inevitability become more progressive. Destiny counters that if this is the case, there would be no point in discussing anything, and that such an assertion is deeply insulting to individuals who took great strides to enact changes during great "progressive" moments in history like the Civil Rights era. Following this explanation, Vaush replies by tempering his initial statement, stating that this "progressive bend" is only the case as long as progressives continue to "do their job".

Debate Timestamps
5:46 Vaush joins the call, begins to introduce himself before Destiny interrupts him to rage about his game's save file. 13:44 Vaush points out that a chatter has been "riding him" since he entered the call, then apologizes for using a hetero-normative statement. 13:55 Destiny asks if he were to call someone a "faygot" instead of faggot, would that still be bad from a feminist standpoint? Vaush responds that he does not know, but he's not actually a feminist scholar. 17:08 Conversation begins 18:25 Vaush attempts to identify what Destiny's problem is with ShitRedditSays(SRS). He claims that Destiny believes the radical method in which the subreddit engages with feminist movements, delegitimizes "real" feminist issues. Destiny agrees and states this is one of his issues with the subreddit. Vaush goes on to list the problems with SRS. 21:07 Vaush confesses that SRS is a "proud" circle jerk, states he is only here to defend SRS from the angle that it is not representative of feminism nor is it obligated to be. He goes on to state that the current attitude of the subreddit is a result of it's "opponents". 23:39 Destiny points to a "reverse privilege-vibe" occurring in the subreddit, and subreddit members "hijacking" words and giving them new meaning(e.g. racism). 25:18 Vaush identifies two problems with SRS in becoming a more "accepting" node of feminism(comparing themselves to r/atheism): 1. The fact they are unwilling to change due to demands placed on them by Bigots 2. There's nothing they could do to make the aforementioned bigots not dislike them. 26:45 Destiny states he disagrees with Vaush's "r/atheism" comparison, claiming that while r/atheism is elitist, they do not "maliciously invade" or brigade subreddits like SRS. Destiny goes on to claim that members of SRS tend to characterize their opponents as the "worst possible hyperbole" of whatever ideology also contains the word they use(e.g. a man pointing out how their partner may not be sexually interested at some points would be labled as a "rapist" and downvoted). Vaush offers to explain, but Destiny counters that there can be no good explanation for this behavior. 28:17 Vaush explains that such behavior is inherent in all "activist" subreddits. Destiny and Vaush proceed to have a back and forth about the justifiability of various "brigading" actions taken by SRS(e.g. linking posts from other subreddits, someone's home address, etc..). Throughout this portion of the conversation, Vaush counters that while he will not defend brigading, he does not care if other subreddits feel like they're being brigaded, and that he does not care for the general "internet points" of the bigots they're brigading. He caveats that the subreddit still follows reddit guidelines with regards to the screenshotting of other subreddits, and that brigading is just something that happens as a result of their advocacy. 30:32 Vaush points to a portion of Destiny's post where he identifies that SRS instantly bans people who come to their subreddit. Vaush argues they ban because they "do not tolerate" any form of derailment. He argues that other subreddits that were initially designed to be female-friendly spaces(e.g. 2xchromosomes), have been overrun with mansplaining. Destiny counters that the brand of feminism being sold by SRS is far too extreme, and that there are plenty of minority groups that they may claim to defend who vehemently disagree with the stuff they say. 31:28 Vaush argues any minority groups offended by the actions of SRS have "internalized" the bigotry they've experienced. Destiny disagrees with this, and the big intellectual 'fuck you" of a subreddit composed of majority white males informing minorities they have internalized some bigotry and are thinking the wrong way. Vaush responds that for every person they alienate, they get even more people who agree with them. 34:13 Destiny and Vaush debate internalized misogyny accusations as they pertain to SRS. Destiny arguing subreddit members tend to paint accusations of internalized misogyny with a broad brush towards all their critics, and Vaush arguing they don't care if a few people feel alienated. The two proceed to go through several examples of individuals "bullied" on the subreddit. 41:11 Destiny and Vaush discuss rape culture, and debate the concept of "enthusiastic consent". Destiny arguing that Vaush and SRS's definition of the concept would likely result in the majority of otherwise consensual sexual-interactions between partners being labled as rape. Vaush responds that he has never heard a rape victim disagree with how fervently they persecute rapists, and that he is content with such standards as it allows for rapists to be more easily persecuted. 45:17 Destiny laments not archiving more threads to help illustrate his point on SRS over-labeling individuals as rapists. Vaush argues that they're simply performing a "circle-jerk" when doing this, and would not devalue a conversation by arguing the "minutia" of what constitutes a rapist. Destiny responds that such over-labeling devalues the "actual people" who should be condemned. 46:45 Destiny points to hypothetically labeling every shooting as a genocide devaluing actual genocides. Vaush counters that genocides have no problems getting recognized, while rapes do. Destiny argues once more that the definition being used for rapes is far too broad. 49:51 Destiny and Vaush debate the various forms SRS has defined a "rape" having occurred. Destiny stating they paint the occurrence of a rape with too broad of a brush, and Vaush arguing it's justified. 55:39 Destiny states Vaush and members of SRS are making the word "rape" seem a lot less powerful than it is. 57:30 Vaush claims that as society grows to be more progressive, the line between what's right and what's wrong will be very thin and mean very different things(much like Racism in the 50s compared to today). Vaush goes on to claim that he and the subreddit care more about doing right by the individuals suffering the most from such instances, than appeasing those who may be caught in the crossfire. Destiny reiterates his point regarding SRS alienating potential supporters. 1:00:06 Vaush asserts that the argument they're having is moot, and that the world will become a much more progressive place in 200 years, and that society will inevitability become more progressive. Destiny argues that there's no point in saying anything at all if this is the case. Vaush replies that he likes hearing the sound of his own voice. 1:01:15 Destiny takes issue with Vaush's assertion that "things will change on their own", arguing that such a statement is an insult to those who took great strides to enact changes during the Civil Rights era. Vaush replies by tempering his initial statement, stating that this "progressive bend" is only the case as long as progressives continue to "do their job" 1:03:01 The two debate SRS's overuse of the word rape once more. Destiny draws a comparison to 1984 and "new speak". The two go on to debate whether changing the definition of rape constitutes "new speak". 1:05:18 Destiny argues it is never acceptable to sacrifice intellectual integrity to further a cause. Vaush counters he would not do "anything" to further feminism if the cost is too great. 1:10:16 Vaush argues a balance must be struck between intellectual integrity and the safety/well being of the people they discuss. He goes on to argue that getting caught up in debating differences between oppressed and oppressors will allow bigots to get attached to their movement like a barnacle(pointing specifically to "social Darwinism" as a "plague". 1:12:39 Vaush states the end goal is to allow for no threats to be present against these indivdiuals. Destiny counters that this is "nazi-ism 101". The two go on to discuss the evolving standards of "racism". 1:19:07 Affirmative action discussionVaush argues that the worst thing that can happen in America is a single class dominates in a global hegemony. Destiny counters that he doesn't care if a minority class ends up usurping and becoming the reigning group, he would just hate for individuals are barred from attempting things in life due to certain diversity quotas. Vaush disagrees with this framing and the two discuss. 1:28:02 Vaush argues that the worst thing that could happen if SRS-level feminism takes over, is what's already occurring in the world. Destiny argues that while the intentions of SRS are good, they should exercise caution. 1:33:06 Vaush and Destiny discuss the tendency of liberals/left-leaning individuals to disagree with one another due to their "broader range of interests". 1:36:12Creepshots subreddit, morality/legality discussion Vaush states: "we believe our morality supersedes legality", Destiny cautions Vaush against this position. The two discuss SRS's campaign against the creepshots subreddit and the line between morality and legality, with Destiny arguing that the subreddit's immorality was never clearly established and that SRS's method of organizing mob pressure without providing explicit objective justification was unethical regardless of the target. Vaush counters that once you accept rape culture as an ideological framework(or the lack of consent associated with a "creepshot"), the wrongness of creepshots follows logically. 1:49:36 Destiny discusses the "difference in scale" employed by SRS(i.e. threatening to destroy reddit financially by contacting advertisers") compared to simply "writing a letter" to Reddit. 1:56:02 Destiny argues that "big things" are what gets people to move on positions, and that "intellectuals simply discussing things" tends to do little to 'move the needle", and that such movements are more dependent on who is the "figurehead" of a given movement. He argues that this is risky as the entire intellectual honesty of a movement would be dependent on that individual. 1:58:31 Vaush advocates for the pragmatic approach which SRS employed to get the Creepshots subreddit taken down and argues it would take way too long to talk people into changing their position through civilized discussion. Destiny counters this sets a dangerous precedent pointing to nazi-ism or genocides, Vaush retorts that the Civil Rights movement largley engaged in a similar tactic. Destiny points once more to the movement being entirely dependent on the "figurehead", which he argues to be a dangerous prospect. 1:59:46 Vaush argues that the subreddit does in fact engage in intellectual discussions. Destiny disagrees, and the two discuss.

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References

↑ YouTube (July 7, 2024). "Finishing Chevron | Figuring out what it means to be an American :) (core values evaluation)". Retrieved 2024, August 6.
↑ YouTube (June 13, 2021). "2012-12-26 A conversation with Vaush (Irishladdie): feminism and the revolution". Retrieved 2023, August 25.
↑ YouTube (February 9, 2021). "Vaush Calls Out Destiny For PhilosophyTube Tweets | DEBATE". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (March 30, 2025). "Destiny Reacts To Vaush Calling Democrats Psyops...". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (February 9, 2024). "Vaush Gets Away w/ Wild Arguments In Israel Debate, Triggers Destiny". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (October 5, 2023). "Vaush Attacks Destiny's Community After Coalition Panel". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (October 4, 2023). "Infighting And Bridging Divides | Vaush, Emma Vigeland And Destiny Vidcon Panel". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (September 30, 2023). "Debating Vaush, Emma Vigeland And Ryan Grim At The White House". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (April 6, 2022). "Destiny Reacts To Vaush Manifesto Post". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (February 12, 2022). "Destiny Confronts Vaush (Irishladdie) on History of Sexual Harassment (Combined Perspective)". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (October 30, 2021). "Destiny Debates Vaush On New Panel | Cops Vs Social Workers". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (October 13, 2021). "Destiny Debates Vaush, Economics Professor And The Moderator (LIVE)". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (June 11, 2021). "Destiny vs Vaush Debate Gets HEATED And ESCALATES Out Of Control...". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (March 18, 2021). "Destiny And Vaush Hot Drop Into Chaotic Debate Panel". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (February 9, 2021). "Vaush Calls Out Destiny For PhilosophyTube Tweets | DEBATE". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (August 26, 2020). "Vaush vs Destiny Debate - Morality of Kyle Rittenhouse". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (March 22, 2020). "You have no policy solution - Debate with Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (December 1, 2019). "Is Taxation Theft? ft. Exskillsme & Irishladdie AKA Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (January 26, 2018). "Political Violence - Debate with IrishLaddie AKA Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (September 20, 2017). "Discussion with Irishladdie AKA Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (March 30, 2017). "Talking with my buddy Vaush AKA Irish Laddie about the rise of Trump and communism(?)". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ YouTube (June 22, 2015). "Conversations with Irishladdie AKA Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 25.
↑ YouTube (December 26, 2012). "2012-12-26 A conversation with Vaush (Irishladdie): feminism and the revolution". Retrieved 2026, March 20.
↑ TeamLiquid (August2012). "Destiny and ROOT part ways". Retrieved 2026, March 28.
↑ Reddit (January2014). "Doxgate: The closing of r/creepshots and the Gawker exposé of Violentacrez". Retrieved 2026, March 28.

[1] YouTube (July 7, 2024). "Finishing Chevron | Figuring out what it means to be an American :) (core values evaluation)". Retrieved 2024, August 6.

[2] YouTube (June 13, 2021). "2012-12-26 A conversation with Vaush (Irishladdie): feminism and the revolution". Retrieved 2023, August 25.

[3] YouTube (February 9, 2021). "Vaush Calls Out Destiny For PhilosophyTube Tweets | DEBATE". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[4] YouTube (March 30, 2025). "Destiny Reacts To Vaush Calling Democrats Psyops...". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[5] YouTube (February 9, 2024). "Vaush Gets Away w/ Wild Arguments In Israel Debate, Triggers Destiny". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[6] YouTube (October 5, 2023). "Vaush Attacks Destiny's Community After Coalition Panel". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[7] YouTube (October 4, 2023). "Infighting And Bridging Divides | Vaush, Emma Vigeland And Destiny Vidcon Panel". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[8] YouTube (September 30, 2023). "Debating Vaush, Emma Vigeland And Ryan Grim At The White House". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[9] YouTube (April 6, 2022). "Destiny Reacts To Vaush Manifesto Post". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[10] YouTube (February 12, 2022). "Destiny Confronts Vaush (Irishladdie) on History of Sexual Harassment (Combined Perspective)". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[11] YouTube (October 30, 2021). "Destiny Debates Vaush On New Panel | Cops Vs Social Workers". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[12] YouTube (October 13, 2021). "Destiny Debates Vaush, Economics Professor And The Moderator (LIVE)". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[13] YouTube (June 11, 2021). "Destiny vs Vaush Debate Gets HEATED And ESCALATES Out Of Control...". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[14] YouTube (March 18, 2021). "Destiny And Vaush Hot Drop Into Chaotic Debate Panel". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[15] YouTube (February 9, 2021). "Vaush Calls Out Destiny For PhilosophyTube Tweets | DEBATE". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[16] YouTube (August 26, 2020). "Vaush vs Destiny Debate - Morality of Kyle Rittenhouse". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[17] YouTube (March 22, 2020). "You have no policy solution - Debate with Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[18] YouTube (December 1, 2019). "Is Taxation Theft? ft. Exskillsme & Irishladdie AKA Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[19] YouTube (January 26, 2018). "Political Violence - Debate with IrishLaddie AKA Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[20] YouTube (September 20, 2017). "Discussion with Irishladdie AKA Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[21] YouTube (March 30, 2017). "Talking with my buddy Vaush AKA Irish Laddie about the rise of Trump and communism(?)". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[22] YouTube (June 22, 2015). "Conversations with Irishladdie AKA Vaush". Retrieved 2026, March 25.

[23] YouTube (December 26, 2012). "2012-12-26 A conversation with Vaush (Irishladdie): feminism and the revolution". Retrieved 2026, March 20.

[24] TeamLiquid (August2012). "Destiny and ROOT part ways". Retrieved 2026, March 28.

[25] Reddit (January2014). "Doxgate: The closing of r/creepshots and the Gawker exposé of Violentacrez". Retrieved 2026, March 28.

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 * [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=3918 1:05:18] Destiny argues it is never acceptable to sacrifice intellectual integrity to further a cause. Vaush counters he would not do "anything" to further feminism if the cost is too great.
 *[https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=4216 1:10:16] Vaush argues a balance must be struck between intellectual integrity and the safety/well being of the people they discuss. He goes on to argue that getting caught up in debating differences between oppressed and oppressors will allow bigots to get attached to their movement like a barnacle(pointing specifically to "social Darwinism" as a "plague".
-* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=4359 1:12:39] Vaush states the end goal is to allow for no threats to be present against these indivdiuals. Destiny counters that this is "nazi-ism 101".
+* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=4359 1:12:39] Vaush states the end goal is to allow for no threats to be present against these indivdiuals. Destiny counters that this is "nazi-ism 101". The two go on to discuss the evolving standards of "racism".
+* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=4747 1:19:07] '''Affirmative action discussion'''Vaush argues that the worst thing that can happen in America is a single class dominates in a global hegemony. Destiny counters that he doesn't care if a minority class ends up usurping and becoming the reigning group, he would just hate for individuals are barred from attempting things in life due to certain diversity quotas. Vaush disagrees with this framing and the two discuss.
+* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=5282 1:28:02] Vaush argues that the worst thing that could happen if SRS-level feminism takes over, is what's already occurring in the world. Destiny argues that while the intentions of SRS are good, they should exercise caution.
+* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=5586 1:33:06] Vaush and Destiny discuss the tendency of liberals/left-leaning individuals to disagree with one another due to their "broader range of interests".
+* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=5772 1:36:12]'''Creepshots subreddit, morality/legality discussion''' Vaush states: "we believe our morality supersedes legality", Destiny cautions Vaush against this position. The two discuss SRS's campaign against the creepshots subreddit and the line between morality and legality, with Destiny arguing that the subreddit's immorality was never clearly established and that SRS's method of organizing mob pressure without providing explicit objective justification was unethical regardless of the target. Vaush counters that once you accept rape culture as an ideological framework(or the lack of consent associated with a "creepshot"), the wrongness of creepshots follows logically.
+* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=6576 1:49:36] Destiny discusses the "difference in scale" employed by SRS(i.e. threatening to destroy reddit financially by contacting advertisers") compared to simply "writing a letter" to Reddit.
+* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=6962 1:56:02] Destiny argues that "big things" are what gets people to move on positions, and that "intellectuals simply discussing things" tends to do little to 'move the needle", and that such movements are more dependent on who is the "figurehead" of a given movement. He argues that this is risky as the entire intellectual honesty of a movement would be dependent on that individual.
+* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=7111 1:58:31] Vaush advocates for the pragmatic approach which SRS employed to get the Creepshots subreddit taken down and argues it would take way too long to talk people into changing their position through civilized discussion. Destiny counters this sets a dangerous precedent pointing to nazi-ism or genocides, Vaush retorts that the Civil Rights movement largley engaged in a similar tactic. Destiny points once more to the movement being entirely dependent on the "figurehead", which he argues to be a dangerous prospect.
+* [https://youtu.be/k-JC1voCu54?t=7186 1:59:46] Vaush argues that the subreddit does in fact engage in intellectual discussions. Destiny disagrees, and the two discuss.
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