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(Calm. Kindness. Kinship. Love. I've given up all chance at inner peace. I've made my mind a sunless space. I share my dreams with ghosts. I wake up every day to an equation I wrote 15 years ago from which there's only one conclusion, I must write Lav's wiki.) |
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On September 12, 2022, Lav had a discussion with Destiny regarding Feminism, Sex work, and her discord ban from MrGirl's server. <ref>2022-09-11|P2 Talk w/ Lav about sex work, Lav’s beliefs; KaiClips and Lav debate pornography. (September 12, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved October 11, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3iIvcBoZ3g</REF> | On September 12, 2022, Lav had a discussion with Destiny regarding Feminism, Sex work, and her discord ban from MrGirl's server. <ref>2022-09-11|P2 Talk w/ Lav about sex work, Lav’s beliefs; KaiClips and Lav debate pornography. (September 12, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved October 11, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3iIvcBoZ3g</REF> | ||
At the beginning of the conversation, Lav asserts her disagreement with much of the thoughts within radical-feminism, but she also notes there are certain positions she supports. She mentions she does not wish to "spare male-feelings"(in reference to transwomen), and states she does not care if a transwomen does not wish to hear they are male. Lav then criticizes transwomen for trying to address feminist issues like the "socialization of females growing up", citing. Destiny takes issue with Lav's rhetoric, and the two debate for some time. | At the beginning of the conversation, Lav asserts her disagreement with much of the thoughts within radical-feminism, but she also notes there are certain positions she supports. She mentions she does not wish to "spare male-feelings"(in reference to transwomen), and states she does not care if a transwomen does not wish to hear they are male. Lav then criticizes transwomen for trying to address feminist issues like the "socialization of females growing up", citing. Destiny takes issue with Lav's rhetoric, and the two debate for some time. Destiny provided Lav with advice on how she may better phrase her arguments. He warns against taking more "provocative" positions that may lead to social media backlash and a toxic community. Lav was fairly receptive to Destiny's arguments, and eventually conceded that she should touch up on how she conveys her positions. | ||
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* [https://youtu.be/c3iIvcBoZ3g?t=825 13:45] Destiny recommends to Lav that she refer to a transwomen's upbringing as "being socialized as a male" as opposed to "man vs women". | * [https://youtu.be/c3iIvcBoZ3g?t=825 13:45] Destiny recommends to Lav that she refer to a transwomen's upbringing as "being socialized as a male" as opposed to "man vs women". | ||
* [https://youtu.be/c3iIvcBoZ3g?t=853 14:13] Lav says the first time she was catcalled was at 6 years old. Destiny responds with his understanding of this position, but qualifies that he simply wants Lav to dial back on her rhetoric. He warns against the social media and community consequences. | * [https://youtu.be/c3iIvcBoZ3g?t=853 14:13] Lav says the first time she was catcalled was at 6 years old. Destiny responds with his understanding of this position, but qualifies that he simply wants Lav to dial back on her rhetoric. He warns against the social media and community consequences. | ||
* | * [https://youtu.be/c3iIvcBoZ3g?t=1053 17:33] Destiny posits an example to Lav: Imagine if he and Chaeiry were in an argument, and another individual joins and sides with Chaeiry. If Destiny were to say this individual was only siding with Chaeiry because she is black, it would be the equivalent to Lav saying she's being mistreated for being the only biological women on a panel with transwomen. Destiny then expresses his understanding of Lav's enjoyment in arguing online, but tells her it's far more enjoyable to argue about ideas rather than putting out fires due to poor rhetoric. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/c3iIvcBoZ3g?t=1659 27:39] Lav states her primary disagreement with radical-feminism is the masculinization of women. She goes on to describe herself as a cultural feminist, citing a desire to live in a society where the inherent(nature/nurture) qualities of women are emphasized. | |||
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Revision as of 14:34, 12 October 2023
Lea AKA LavLune is a singer, TikTok content creator, feminist and former OnlyFans content creator who spent some time as one of the most antagonistic orbiters to ever grace Destiny's stream.
On stream appearances with Destiny and dramas WIP
Destiny Moderates a debate between MrGirl and Lav
On June 12, 2022, Destiny reacted to a vod of Lav appearing on a call-in show hosted by MrGirl. During her call-in Lav debated topics involving gaslighting, boundaries, and abuse. The initial debate primarily centered around discussing what an individual should do if they heard their partner crying in another room. Lav was of the belief that when an individual feels themselves becoming emotionality dysregulated by an action their partner has done, and thinks they may lash out on their partner as a result of said action, the individual should self-regulate by taking a walk or creating some emotional/physical distance. MrGirl felt that such actions by an individual would make their partner feel abandoned, and that one should learn to emotionally regulate without withdrawing. Lav came away from the conversation feeling emotionality/physically frustrated, and even questioned if she was abusing her husband after hearing MrGirl's position.
While watching the debate, Destiny had trouble discerning what the two were actually debating about. He also noted that MrGirl never asked Lav any clarifying questions about her position, and was fairly aggressive throughout the conversation.
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After watching the vod, Destiny decided to invite Lav onto his stream to offer her some debate advice. Soon after, MrGirl joined the call, and Destiny moderated a debate between the two.[1] With Destiny's assistance, the two were able to clearly lay out their positions. Despite this, the debate still became quite heated, and both debaters maintained the same positions they entered the call with.
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Destiny reacts to a panel featuring Lav
On August 6, 2022, Chudlogic hosted a panel to discuss sex work and OnlyFans.[2] Among the guests on this panel included Merrick Deville, Wickedsupreme, and Lav. Destiny had chosen to watch this panel because he was interested in Lav's perspective as an individual who quit creating OnlyFans content as a result of her interactions with MrGirl.[3]
Lav confronts Destiny in a Pre-Panel debate
On August 7, 2022, Lav confronted Destiny in a Pre-Panel debate, suggesting he misunderstood the financial struggles of sex workers when comparing them to other professions like doctors.[4] The discussion explored the societal implications of sex work, particularly in platforms like OnlyFans, touching on subjects such as the dehumanization of women, unrealistic beauty standards, and societal consumption of explicit content. They debated the role of personal responsibility, with Lav emphasizing the potential negative impacts of sex work on society, while Destiny argued that the issue lies more with societal engagement and overindulgence in technology than with sex work itself.
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Lav debates sex work and ethics on a ChudLogic panel
On August 7, 2022 Lav joined Destiny, REDACTED, Sneako, and MrGirl, to discuss several topics including OnlyFans, sex work, AI porn, and Dogwarts.[5] Much like her prior appearances, Lav takes the position that sex work is a net-negative to society and should be heavily regulated. As there are multiple sex-workers(TafTaj and Jenavive) on the call, much contention arises. This conversation quickly becomes heated as multiple "shit-stirrers" are present in the call.
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Lav hashes out her personal grievances with several orbiters on Destiny's stream
On August 11, 2022, Lav confronted several orbiters on Destiny's stream for several hours to hash out some perceived personal grievances the individuals had with one another(primarily between Brittany and Lav).[6] The "panel" initially started as a one on one discussion between Destiny and Lav, wherein she had many negative things to say about Brittany Simon. The conversation quickly devolved into a shouting match as more orbiters elected to join the discord call, and known shit-stirrer REDACTED contributed to the chaos. During the conversation, Lav and MrGirl try to convince a very high Brittany that her method of operating her Patreon and the “levels" system she utilizes are harmful. However, the disparate ways in which MrGirl and Lav present their messages leads to conflict between the two. By the end of the conversation Lav agrees with Brittany that she is smart enough to know what she's doing, and is truthfully engaging in harm reduction(she likely states this to spite MrGirl).
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REDACTED discusses a leaked recording of Lav trash talking Destiny
On August 12, 2022, REDACTED shed some light on a leaked recording involving Lav.[7] [8] This conversation occurred on ChudLogic's channel, and lasted around sixteen minutes. The conversation begins with a content creator in Chud's community, Kuihman, alleging that Lav lied about an individual stalking, calling the FBI on her, and posting a photo of her house on a private server. This all occurred after Lav lead a harassment campaign against the individual's friends.
REDACTED, Chud, and Kuihman go on to listen to a leaked call wherein Lav stated that Destiny wanted to suck her husband's cock, and that she would never sleep with him. In the call, Lav calls Destiny a "cheese-boy", elf, and troll-man. REDACTED says there are two possibilities, either Destiny is joking or a coomer.
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Lav discusses allegations made against her in a ChudLogic panel
On August 14, 2022, Lav joined a ChudLogic panel to discuss allegations made against her, Destiny listened to the covnersation for half an hour before he got bored.[9][10] During the call Lav confronts Kuihman over some alleged discord harassment campaigns he and his friends had organized against her.
Lav dispels the rumors about Destiny asking to suck her husband's cock. She reasons that she was just bantering and says many absurd things in discord calls, like wanting to fuck dogs(her preference is a Doberman). Lav goes on to say she'd be open to having sex with Destiny despite her bantering in the leaked call. She also states that her and Destiny were friends several months before she started to stream, implying any claims of her "clout-sharking" to be absurd.
Lav discusses sex work and feminism with Destiny, debates pornography with Kai Clips WIP
On September 12, 2022, Lav had a discussion with Destiny regarding Feminism, Sex work, and her discord ban from MrGirl's server. [11]
At the beginning of the conversation, Lav asserts her disagreement with much of the thoughts within radical-feminism, but she also notes there are certain positions she supports. She mentions she does not wish to "spare male-feelings"(in reference to transwomen), and states she does not care if a transwomen does not wish to hear they are male. Lav then criticizes transwomen for trying to address feminist issues like the "socialization of females growing up", citing. Destiny takes issue with Lav's rhetoric, and the two debate for some time. Destiny provided Lav with advice on how she may better phrase her arguments. He warns against taking more "provocative" positions that may lead to social media backlash and a toxic community. Lav was fairly receptive to Destiny's arguments, and eventually conceded that she should touch up on how she conveys her positions.
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Some time during the same stream, Kai Clips enters the call to debate pornography with Lav.
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Lav debates Trans issues with Destiny WIP
On October 3, 2022, Lav debated Trans issues with Destiny.[12]
Destiny debates Lav and Zherka, featuring Chaeiry WIP
On October 15, 2022 Destiny debated Lav and Zherka. Chaeiry eventually joined the call to discuss her annoyance with Lav.
Destiny shouts at Lav in a panel addressing MrGirl allegations by Chaeiry WIP
On October 16, 2022, Destiny and a panel of orbiters have a discussion on some drama involving Chaeiry and Mrgirl, as well as a "nuke" Lav wanted to drop on Hasan
Notable Clips, videos, logs, and tweets WIP
External Links
References
- ↑ Destiny Moderates MrGirl vs Lav Debate (Gaslighting, Boundaries, Abuse). (August 9, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved October 6, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcARJDJ4y6k
- ↑ OnlyFans Stars CLASH, Panel GANGS UP on Ex-Model! (August 11, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved October 4, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soU9GwCv5Cc
- ↑ 2022-08-06|P1 Reacting to ChudLogic panel about sex work and OnlyFans; viewer call-ins. (September 4, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved October 4, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_l0fADhOZ0&t=2541s
- ↑ “Destiny Has A Big Problem With Me” Ex-Sex Worker CONFRONTS Destiny In Pre-Panel Debate. (August 7, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved October 4, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqSHS5ncGsQ
- ↑ Destiny, REDACTED & MrGirl Bully S*x Workers for 4 Hours. (August 9, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved October 5, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhljHCOOC08
- ↑ PURE CHAOS | Destiny, Lav, Brittany, MrGirl & Redacted | Drama Panel. (August 11, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved October 5, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zH6yO_16lM
- ↑ REDACTED Sheds Light on LEAKED RECORDING of Lavlune TRASHING Destiny! (Private S*X Info Leaked?). (August 13, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved October 6, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLK6Z4iRqL4
- ↑ THE E-GIRL EXORCISM - SHOCKING LAVLUNE REVELATIONS. (August 11, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved October 10, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egyuwjqEXNw
- ↑ Lavlune BACKSTABS Destiny, LIES About STALKER & Gets ATTACKED By Obsessed 4Channer. (August 15, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved October 6, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4bsurH_FC4
- ↑ 2022-08-14|P1 Destiny was rude to F&F producer; talk w/ Aba about Fresh & Fit, Sneako. (August 19, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved October 11, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWCDIoM-Ppc
- ↑ 2022-09-11|P2 Talk w/ Lav about sex work, Lav’s beliefs; KaiClips and Lav debate pornography. (September 12, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved October 11, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3iIvcBoZ3g
- ↑ Destiny Actually Convinces Her To Concede A Trans Debate. (October 5, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved October 11, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH8iFzeEMa8