Hasan Piker
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| Status | HasanAbi |
| Political Alignment | Progressive Left/Socialist |
| Qualifications | Political Science/Communications Degree |
| Occupation | Twitch Streamer/Political Commentator |
| Age | 32 |
| Country of origin | USA |
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| Website | https://ideologie.shop/ |
| Hasanthehun | |
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| Youtube | @hasanabi |
| Manifolds Market | Hasan Stock |
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| Awards |  Antagonist of the Year
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Hasan Doğan Piker (born July 25, 1991) is an American political commentator, streamer, and YouTuber. He is best known for his political commentary on the progressive news network The Young Turks and for his Twitch streaming channel, where he discusses pop politics, news headlines, and popular culture. Piker has gained a large following for his outspoken views on progressive politics and social issues.
Hasan’s first appearance on Destiny’s stream occurred on October 8th, 2018 to discuss an upcoming debate with Charlie Kirk and laude Destiny for his prior debate performances against the right. Following this appearance, Hasan became a temporary fixture of Destiny’s streams, and a close friend. His initial appearances focused primarily on the burgeoning online-right movement and various economic/political theory. Hasan would frequently join Destiny on podcasts, occasionally IRL stream with him at restaurants and bars, and would regularly appear on Destiny's stream to play games or discuss current controversial issues. Over time, Hasan's limited debate experience, ideological differences with Destiny(primarily concerning left-wing thought), and struggles processing criticism from both Destiny and his community, eventually strained their relationship to the point where the two streamers cut ties with one another.
Currently, Hasan and Destiny are not on amicable terms. Their mutual dislike has intensified over the years, primarily stemming from personal animosity, political differences, and disputes over various contentious issues. The two will regularly criticize the positions/actions of the other, and have fostered communities that mirror their mutual dislike. Despite this animosity and his status as a prominent online political commentator, Hasan has consistently declined to appear on stream with Destiny or engage in debates with him since their initial fallout, citing a general disdain for debates and "debate-perverts".
For several years, Hasan boycotted all mention of Destiny on his channel, and would generally refuse to engage with any content related to Destiny(for fear of providing him underserved clout). Despite this, Hasan would sporadically react to Destiny-adjacent contact should he feel his input on the manner is necessary. As a result, Destiny's name has been banned from mention in Piker's Twitch chat, and individuals who could potentially be perceived as Destiny fans will typically be banned. [1]
Shortly following the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel, Hasan ended his embargo on all Destiny-related content. Hasan typically devotes portions of his streams to either reacting to Destiny's subreddit, or ridiculing one of Destiny's mainstream media appearances.[2] [3] [4] The reasons for this recent change of heart have sparked much speculation. While Hasan maintains he feels morally obliged to respond to Destiny's defense of the military operations in Gaza, other have speculated that Hasan is seeking to capitalize on Destiny's rising popularity amid several mainstream media appearances and his own dwindling Twitch and YouTube channel metrics.[5][6][7][8]
Early life and education
Hasan Piker was born on July 25, 1991, in New Brunswick, New Jersey. He spent his early years in Turkey before moving back to the United States for college. Piker attended Rutgers University, where he earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science and communication.
Career
The Young Turks
Piker began his career as an intern at The Young Turks in 2014. He quickly rose through the ranks, becoming a producer and on-air contributor. Piker gained prominence for his dating advice show "Bro Tips".
Twitch streaming
In 2018, Piker started streaming on Twitch, where he discusses pop politics, news headlines, and popular culture. His Twitch channel, "Hasanabi," has amassed a large following, making him one of the most popular political streamers on the platform. Piker's streams often feature discussions with journalists and content creators.
Disagreements with Destiny WIP
Hasan Claims to "own" Destiny in a debate regarding the successfulness of Donald Trump as a Republican
On January 24, 2024 Hasan claims to have "owned" Destiny in one of their initial discussions regarding the successfulness of Donald Trump as a Republican. Hasan claims to be proven correct as Trump was able to stack the supreme court, "destroy" regulatory agencies, and offer "fat" tax cuts.[9]
During the discussion, Hasan claims Trump has been incredibly successful as a Republican president because his underlying positions are just "regular fucking conservative principles". Hasan elaborates his positions are all the "modern GOP positions" but his rhetoric is just different, and is just more appealing to his base voters. He goes on to point to things such as the Republican Tax plan, the "destruction" of the EPA", and the "destruction" of the financial protection bureau. He concludes this is all "regular republican shit" Trump was able to accomplish in an authoritarian fashion.[10]
Destiny claims Trump has caused a very deep division within the Republican party(Destiny calls it the Tea party on crack), citing instances such as Trumples mocking Mccain for being a war hero making it very difficult for them to see eye-to-eye with other Republicans. Destiny then discuss how Trump fans and supporters "fucking hate" establishment Republicans, citing the tendency of these groups to trash moderate Republicans just as hard as certain left leaning groups(i.e. calling them Rhinos). Destiny concludes he's unsure what kind of damage will happen to the party once Trump is gone, pointing to how a candidate like Rubio could have difficulty pandering to this new-extreme base.[11]
Hasan once again disagrees with this, and maintains his prior position that Trump still advocates for "staple Republican positions". He then makes the point Republicans will always vote for whoever "triggers the libs" the most. Destiny agreed with this in the end, but maintained they will just have to see what happens after the midterms to the party.
MrDeadMoth domestic abuse situation
On December 12, 2018 Destiny and Hasan debated the circumstances surrounding a domestic abuse situation involving Fortnite streamer MrDeadMoth. [12] Hasan, while of the opinion MrDeadMoth's wife did take steps to escalate the situation, maintains that MrDeadMoth bore the brunt of the blame in the situation for physically retaliating against his partner. Destiny took the contrary position, stating that while MrDeadMoth's physical response should not be excused, the wife's persistent approach, escalation, and starting of the physical altercation, should be viewed as provoking or exacerbating the situation.
Breaking News
On January 7, 2019 Destiny and Hasan debated the ethicacy of reporting on breaking news and the roles of journalists and commentators in shaping public perception. Hasan, after reporting a recent shooting may have been racially charged, was accused of "race-baiting" after more information was released revealing that the shooting was in fact gang-related(not a hate crime). Hasan felt this criticism was unwarranted, claiming he was merely working with the facts he had at the time and that he could not waiting for more facts to come out as it would be to the detriment of his job. Destiny took issue with this perspective, arguing it was irresponsible of Hasan to cover the shooting before more information was released. Moreover, Destiny argued that Hasan should have avoided constructing a narrative around hate crimes, highlighting the hypocrisy Hasan would show if a right-leaning commentator speculated about Arabs following a bombing.
Moral Luck
On March 23, 2019 Hasan, Rem, Vaush, and Destiny engaged in a heated discussion on the necessity of a foundational philosophical understanding for those engaging in political advocacy. Rem was of the position that content creators, particularly those with larger audiences, have a moral obligation to attain the base level of philosophical knowledge required to "ground" oneself in a moral framework. Rem goes on to argue that content creators who do not do so, run the risk of "lucking" into a position based off their life-experiences, and therefore may not truly be advocating for the "correct" position.
Vaush and Hasan challenged this view, calling it unrealistic given the fast-paced and often superficial nature of online discourse. While the majority of Hasan's disagreements(and angst) were directed at Rem, Destiny eventually made clear that he supported Rem's stance, emphasizing that large content-creators should have at least his own level of philosophical knowledge before advocating their positions. He referenced his personal experience debating individuals who struggled to present strong arguments against incest, and how those individuals would have an easier time advocating for their stance with a grounded ethical framework.
Research methods
In 2019, Hasan lauded Wikipedia as a "scholarly source", referring to it as an excellent example of an open source website backed by credible information.[13] However, following the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel,critics, including Hasan, frequently accused Destiny of primarily relying on reading Wikipedia articles for research, and even derided the website as a potential credible source altogether.
Research Fancams
In response to a flare up in tensions between Destiny and several Ludwig-adjacent content creators,and at the request of reddit moderator 4THOT, reddit user lordsavor made several fancams in response to the critique that Destiny relies purley on wikipedia articles for research. This fancam included several instances of Destiny scouring academic/historical documents for research.[14][15]
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Later that day, lordsavor posted another fancam, wherein several Hasan vods were scoured in order to find genuine instances of Hasan doing research on any given topic. lordsavor found little in their search, and had the following to say:
Before making the hasan Twitter research montage fancam, I really wondered to myself. "Did Hasan REALLY do NO RESEARCH at all?". So I scoured his vods and tried to find one. Like genuinely tried. The best I can find is him getting referred to a document on a interview in which he read a paragraph and then moved on. EVERYTIME that he reads something in a academic paper or some shit, HE JUST READS ONE PARAGRAPH AND MOVES ON. READ THE WHOLE THING DIPSHIT. I fucking can't man, why do I give this worm a chance, I wasted so much time. Anyways the other fancam is coming soon, I'm a bit busy today sorry.[16]
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One day following the release of these fancams, yet another fancam was released, this time by reddit user Jaded-Engineer.[17]
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On stream appearances with Destiny WIP
Destiny has a pre-debate discussion with Hasan
On October 9th, 2018 Destiny engaged in a "pre-debate debate" with Hasan. This discussion was held in preparation for a future politicon appearance Hasan would have with Charlie Kirk. [18] Hasan begins the conversation cordially, praising Destiny for being "awesome," citing his "excellent" content, and expressing that he "really likes what he's about." From there, the two engage in a lighthearted conversation discussing topics such as Neoliberalism, Destiny's political and gaming background, the current political climate, and Hasan's upcoming debate with Charlie Kirk. Other topics discussed include, Destiny and Hasan's political perspectives, prior debate experiences with conservatives, and a disagreement Hasan had with Destiny regarding the successfulness of Donald Trump as a president.
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Destiny reacts to a Politicon panel featuring Hasan and Charlie Kirk. Hasan and Destiny discuss the following day
Destiny's reaction to the Politicon Panel
On October 20, 2018 Destiny reacted to a Politicon panel featuring featuring Hasan and Charlie Kirk.[19] The primary focus of the panel was: "Whether young people should be progressives, conservatives, or perhaps something else". Destiny was mildly impressed by certain aspects of Hasan's debate performance. He appreciated Hasan's ability to challenge and critique various points, particularly in the context of discussing systemic issues and the limitations of free-market solutions. He also recognized the difficulty Hasan faced in addressing complex topics such as healthcare, education, and wealth distribution, in the face of a practiced "Gish-Galloper" such as Charlie Kirk. He did however offer a few critiques:
- Destiny suggested that Hasan could benefit from incorporating more 'scummy tactics' used in live debates, implying a need for more strategic interjections and rebuttals tailored to the format, especially facing an individual such as Charlie Kirk.
- Destiny indicated that Hasan could improve in how he handles the framing set by his opponents, particularly in redirecting or countering their narratives more effectively.
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Discussion with Hasan
On October 21, 2018 Destiny and Hasan engaged in a three and a half hour long discussion regarding Hasan's recent debate experience at Politicon. [20] The conversation begins with Destiny explaining to Hasan that he did not necessarily dislike the points he attempted to convey to Kirk, but was critical of his attempts to get those points across. Hasan agreed with this sentiment, and pointed to Kirk's tactics of outright lying, Gish Galloping, moving the goalposts, and crafting messages for "applause breaks" as being very frustrating to deal with. Destiny sympathised with this, agreeing the debate tactics employed by Kirk are very hard to deal with in real time, particularly in a live format. From there, the two discussed tactics Hasan could have employed better in the debate, their grievances with modern day conservatives, and the best methods in reaching out to a broader audience.
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As the conversation concludes, Hasan thanks Destiny and admits that although his audience initially viewed Destiny with skepticism, believing him to be a social democrat, they have now fallen in love with him. Hasan then raids Destiny's channel, and offers to help "tag-team" someone in a debate should Destiny ever wish.
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Hasan and Destiny meet in-person
On November 1, 2018 Destiny and Hasan spent an evening together and had dinner in-person. [21]
Hasan's Richard Lewis Debate - Post-debate discussion with Hasan
On November 2, 2018 Hasan engaged in a debate with esports journalist Richard Lewis regarding several hot-button topics at the time. Topics included the Mainstream Media, Donald Trump, Shifting Demographics, and Obama Era Deportations. [22] The call concluded with Lewis describing Hasan as a "diet Destiny".
On November 6, 2018 Hasan and Destiny reacted to a vod of the debate together. [23] At the onset of the stream, the two experience several delays due to technical difficulties primarily attributed to synchronizing the audio of both the vods they are watching, low-volume, and Destiny hearing an echo from Hasan's stream(Hasan did not have headphones at the time). Destiny eventually decides that Hasan should simply watch his stream while he reacts to the vod, Hasan points out that Destiny's stream has a five-second delay, to which Destiny responds Hasan can just "scream" if he wants the video paused. Destiny immediately retracts this idea, and settles on just screensharing the video through discord(only after Destiny berates the chatter who suggested this alternative). From this point, Destiny's stream is left with the muffled audio of Hasan's debate with Richard Lewis, which the two react to for the remainder of the call.
Throughout the video, Destiny levies several critiques of Lewis at both a personal and argumentative level. Destiny calls Lewis "spineless" for his behavior following the JonTron Debate, citing Lewis' claim that he had made Jontron appear racist through debate-tactics. Destiny also ridicules Lewis for being under the control of esports broadcaster, Thorin, describing him as being on a “little leash” held by the broadcaster whenever he forms an opinion. On an argumentative level, Destiny critiques Lewis's tendency to gish gallop Hasan at several points during the debate, disputes Lewis's views on American Exceptionalism in journalism, and criticizes the way figures like Lewis struggle when faced with facts which stand in direct opposition to their claims. While watching the video, Hasan observes that Lewis often claims their conversation is "not a debate" and uses this assertion to dodge pressure or clarification on issues. Hasan suggests that Lewis's likely only joined his stream for the sake of gaining clout from his stream, a point with which Destiny agrees. Destiny and Hasan went on to critique many of Lewis' defenses for Donald Trump, primarily relating to the hypocrisy of Conservatives when defending Republican figures and attacking Democratic ones, and the tendency of centrists like Lewis to use liberalism as a "convenient suit" to push any argument they may be in favor of.
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Technical Delays
16:30: As the audio was being played through Hasan's speakers, whenever Hasan speaks, the audio from the video is muted. A frustrated Destiny decides to pause the video and fruitlessly work on a solution with Hasan to settle this issue. No solution is found, and the two continue with the video.
1:08:39: Destiny discusses how Lewis' feud with the r/Leagueoflegends mods after a subreddit ban, and his threats of doxing the team, resulted in a reddit-wide ban on his account.
54:31: After mockingly presenting an argument presented by Lewis while mimicking his accent, Hasan proclaims "that's literally every fucking British dipshit, every British central dipshit", to which Destiny warns Hasan against disparaging all British people, and to focus on this particular commentator.
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Destiny at Hasan's place
On December 1, 2018 Destiny streamed with Hasan at his apartment for eight hours. During the stream, the two discussed several mainstream events at the time including teenagers getting kicked out of a McDonalds, a doctor being removed from a commercial flight, and a Janitor getting fired from a public school. The four seperate videos are a result of the owner of the Last Night On Destiny channel attempting to break up the eight hour vod.
At Hasan's place ft. Felklmao
Destiny arives at Hasan's apartment, plays with Fish(Hasan's dog), and proceeds to help troubleshoot some technical issues with Hasan.[25] At one point, prolific DGG chatter Felklmao requsts to join the call, and Destiny warns Hasan against allowing him in for fear of getting gnomed. Felklmao does eventually join the call and proceeds to have a friendly conversation with Hasan, no gnomes involved.
Talk with Hasan - McDonnald's employee kicking teenagers out
At one point during the stream, Hasan mentions that he saw Destiny's reaction to a situation involving a group of teens, whom after allegedly being threatened by a gunman in a McDonalds, were removed from the premises by a manager. Destiny, being on the side of the manager in this situation, had some disagreement with Hasan over this event. Destiny's primary contention being that the manager was in the right not to believe "teenagers walking around like a bunch of dumbasses", and that a McDonalds does not need to serve as a fortress against some "ar-15 shots". Hasan counters, and suggests that the manager should have exhibited "just a little care" for her fellow human beings. The two engage in a lighthearted debate for some time. [26]
"What if it was Nathan(at the McDonalds shouting for help)?" - Hasan "I don't care, fuck him dude... If Nathan is around there bullying some fucking dude.. Nathan what the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you screaming some dumbass shit?" -Destiny
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Talk with Hasan - Doctor kicked out of airplane
Destiny and Hasan debate an incident involving a Doctor's refusal to leave his seat when directed because he needed to see patients the following day. Destiny maintains that the doctor should have booked a first-class flight if he was so concerned with the wellbeing of his patients. Hasan criticises this suggestion, highlighting the uncertainty of first-class availability and violations of consumer protection. [27]
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Talk with Hasan - Disciplining employee - School janitor case
During the stream Destiny and Hasan engaged in yet another light hearted debate, this time involving a janitor being fired from a middle school for leaving early. Destiny, was of the opinion that the janitor should not have left the school early, while Hasan felt the firing was unjustified.Eventually, Hasan agrees with Destiny that the principal had provided a compelling reason for the janitor to be present at the school, he caveats that the principal is still being an “egomaniacal tyrant and a horrible boss” in this scenario. [28]
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Domestic abuse - MrDeadMoth hits wife ft. MrMouton, Hasan, WhiteNervosa
On December 11, 2018 Destiny ,while driving his Nitrous Blue Ford Focus RS, has a heated conversation with his chat regarding a domestic abuse situation involving fortnite streamer MrDeadMoth and his wife. During the conversation, Destiny asserts parents should never fight in front of their kids, maintains throwing items at one’s partner(as the wife did in the scenario) still constitutes physical abuse, and repeatedly berates chatters whom suggest otherwise. [29] [30]
On December 12, 2018 Destiny reviewed the domestic abuse case from his home-office, and was eventually joined by several other friends of the stream.[31] Individuals in the video such as MrMouton, Hasan, and WhiteNervosa had slightly varied focuses on the situation, but all came to the conclusion that MrDeadMoth bore the brunt of the blame and should not have physically retaliated against his wife's physical actions towards him. Destiny took the contrary position, stating that while MrDeadMoth physical response should not be excused, the wife's persistent approach, escalation, and starting of the physical altercation, should be viewed as provoking or exacerbating the situation. Destiny goes on to point out that the wife repeatedly engaged and re-engaged in confrontational behavior, which included throwing objects and verbal provocation, while MrDeadMoth attempted multiple times to deescalate the situation.
"I'm sorry.. anybody who defends the women here is a literal subhuman piece of shit... I don't even know how you can even begin to think that her actions here are remotely okay. She instigates every physical violence here, she starts every single time.. And is the guy right for slapping her? No he's not, but every single time he backs off, she keeps coming back, not to talk... but to be physically abusive over and over again... People are linking pictures in chat... of the guy.. this is aparantly pictures he has taken of abuse. I don't even need these, because it doesn't even matter... this video speaks for itself." - Destiny 25:56
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10:0829:33 Destiny claims that he typically never speaks on this issue(women on man domestic abuse), due to thinking it was common sense to understand how bad such situations are. He highlights how this situation has seemed dispel that thought, as he has witnessed many alleged feminists applauding MrDeadMoth's harassment by his wife. He goes on to describe how he typically doesn't speak on this issue, because he finds Men's-rights activists online to be quite abhorrent. Following this, Destiny describes the double standard at play when people find it amusing for a women to abuse a man 14:42 Destiny asserts that all domestic abuse is bad, and that no physical altercations should ever occur in a relationship. He goes on to claim that the fact that this situation is occurring in front of a child makes the situation even more tragic. Destiny then states that the women appears to be consistently instigating the situation, while the man attempting to play the game is doing little wrong. He concludes that if the gender roles in this scenario were swapped, the positions of many outspoken critics towards MrDeadMoth would be reversed. 28:02 Destiny describes the "reasonable answer" one should give when experiencing abuse, which is calling the authorities. He caveats this by stating: "All three times that I have called the police(in similar domestic abuse scenarios), they have blamed me for what happened. So when Rachel would get physically violent with me, three times... one time when my mom was even visiting. I called the cops three times, women police showed up, and they said it was my fault I was driving her to that."
Destiny's contention with MrMouton was primarily centered on whether or not the slap by MrDeadMoth was justified. Destiny maintains that if one were to get physical with their partner as a result of them instigating physical abuse, a slap is the most optimal form of retaliation. Destiny goes on to state that individuals put into stressful situations do not always act optimally, and people are placing an unfair amount of responsibility on MrDeadMoth in this situation. 50:11 MrMouton claims MrDeadMoth "punched the shit" out of his wife. Destiny responds he cannot possibly know this occured, and he does not believe MrDeadMoth ever punched her. MrMouton would go on to state that the biggest issue was that MrDeadmoth did so in front of his child, to which Destiny responds the fault is on the wife for escalating the situation in from of their child. Hasan's position
56:57 When questioned by Destiny how one should not counter being physically assaulted by their partner with more violence, Hasan describes curling up into a ball when being attacked by his partner. Destiny disagrees and argues "fuck that shit". 58:38 Hasan puts forth that MrDeadMoth should have shut off the game, and de-escalated the situation. Destiny counters that the situation is inherently ridiculous, stating: "she is using physical violence and intimidation to get her way, to force him to have a conversation he may not want to have, in order to deescalate a situation. I'm almost more in favor saying the guy is more in the right to fight her, than to fucking sit here and entertain the conversation..." 1:00:24 Hasan claims to cover domestic abuse situations in the same framework as police brutality, in that the male has much more force in most situations. Destiny counters that police sign up and have training for such situations, while the average male partner does not. 1:02:37 Hasan argues that the best possible outcome for the scenario would be if MrDeadMoth turned off his pc and attempted to confront his wife. Destiny disagrees, and puts forth that the best outcome would be for him to leave the room and call the police. 1:18:05 Hasan argues that he would never hit someone much smaller than him, especially a pregnant women. Destiny pokes fun at Hasan for this line of thought, and argues that MrDeadMoth's wife being pregnant places more blame on her for instigating and escalating such a situation. Whitenervosa's position 1:59:04 Destiny calls out WhiteNervosa for stating MrDeadMoth's wife is receiving more hatred than MrDeadmoth himself. Destiny goes on to state, he already knows what her take is, and is already anticipating killing himself upon hearing it live. 2:05:27 WhiteNervosa eventually joins the call, and asks Destiny why he believes the women is more at fault than the man. Destiny reasserts his position, stating the women instigated the violence and consistently escalated it. WhiteNervosa questions how MrDeadMoth deescalated the situation, and how his wife reengaged in physical violence. Destiny responds "he went back to his chair and put his headphones on", and "after he hits her for the first time, he sits back down, and she comes back and reengages, and re-escalates in the physical violence again." WhiteNervosa then asks "what does she do", to which Destiny describes how MrDeadMoth's wife "throw shit at him, threaten to break shit, looks like she's about to hit him." Following this line of questioning, WhiteNervosa accuses Destiny of being charitable to MrDeadMoth, and not his wife stating he has no idea of knowing whether the wife was going to attempt to hit him. Destiny responds the wife is in fact threatening to harm MrDeadMoth, pointing out that she threw items, broke items, and MrDeadMoth raised his hands in an attempt to block a blow at one point. WhiteNervosa asks Destiny if he believes MrDeadMoth escalated force needlessly after having items thrown at him. Destiny responds he does not know, to which WhiteNervosa further inquires if it matters what items are being thrown at MrDeadMoth, and provides the example of a birthday balloon. Destiny argues it likely does not matter, and informs WhiteNervosa this take is "hilariously baby brained, I can't tell if you're ironically making it or just trying to win the argument." WhiteNervosa then attempts to argue "you wouldn't say cardboard is the equivalent of a lamp right?" Destiny responds "I don't know... throwing folded up cardboard at a person fucking hurts, go get somebody into a garage and fucking try it." WhiteNervosa attempts to cut Destiny off at this point to disagree, to which Destiny responds : "Can you please shut the fuck up and go try it before saying it doesn't hurt, like this is a hilarious fucking first grade take, first of all throwing folded up fucking boxes at people does fucking hurt, secondly that's not the only thing that we saw thrown at him, she's throwing shit hard enough to wiggle the camera in the room, and we hear stuff falling on the floor in the background, but if you wanna pretend the only thing she's throwing are balloons then..." From hereon out, the two deliberate on whether MrDeadMoth received ample enough provocation to retaliate against his wife. Destiny becomes seemingly more infuriated with the conversation as it proceeds, part in fact due to WhiteNervosa's tendency to place the majority of the blame on MrDeadMoth. This tension in this call eventually builds up to a point where Destiny throws his hands to his head(shortly after being killed in his call of duty match) and states WhiteNervosa is "fucking retarded" and ends his stream. | |
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Hasan discusses PewDiePie and E;R with Destiny
On December 17, 2018, Destiny and Hasan discuss PewDiePie's political ignorance, and how the same ignorance appears to be prevalent throughout much of online discourse. [32] The video begins with Hasan discussing how PewDiePie, near the end of a recent video, had inadvertently promoted a "Nazi youtube channel" by the name of E;R. Despite PewDiePie editing out the promotion of E;R from the prior video and issuing an apology, Hasan goes on to claim that PewDiePie's apology was "fake" as he included the same promotion twice in the apology video coupled with promoting pieces of E;R's content in earlier videos. Hasan would go on to state that these actions make it seem like PewDiePie may be a crypto-fascist. Destiny responds that he is hesitant to label PewDiePie as such, given that he may truly just be ignorant when it comes to interpreting harmful political messaging, claiming the same ignorance is rife throughout "gamer-bro" communities .
Eventually, the conversation veers off into a discussion on Venezuela and Socialism, and Hasan exits the call after discussing the issue for an hour. At this point, Destiny is alone and decides to watch PewDiePie's biggest OOPSIE, a video wherein PewDiePie recounts the promotion of E;R. During the video, PewDiePie plays a sound-bite from a prior video where he promotes E;R's death note review, and mocks anyone for suggesting this is nazi propaganda. Destiny watches thirty minutes of the review, questions how E;R manages to do such poor critiques of media for a living, and refuses to watch any more of "this low-iq shit". Destiny then requests that his chat direct him to some of E;R's "nazi shit", and is eventually told to skip to the thirty seven minute mark of the video where a Heather Heyer reference is made. From this point Destiny reacts to several nazi references made in E;R's videos including a Hitler speech played over dramatic music, and a montage of wealthy/influential Jewish individuals played over Orpheus in the Underworld concluding with a message of "securing an existence and future for human children". From these videos, Destiny eventually concludes that E;R is "maybe a little bit of a Nazi". Destiny eventually resumes PewDiePie's video and Hasan joins the call to get Destiny's position on the situation. Destiny informs Hasan that E;R is almost certainly attempting to red pill viewers on Nazi propaganda, and that he still has to finish PewDiePie's response video to draw a conclusion on him. After finishing PewDiePie's response video, Destiny concludes that PewDiePie is not a nazi but is likely just dumb politically.
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Hasan debates a Venezuelan regarding the country's economic collapse
On the same day Destiny and Hasan discussed PewDiePie, the pair had a conversation regarding whether the economic collapse of Venezuela was a product of socialism. [33] The conversation was initially spurred on after a chatter, Yiazmat, asserted that Destiny had let Hasan claim the country's economic collapse had nothing to do with Socialism.[34] Destiny responds that he had not seen any evidence linking socialism to Venezuela's collapse, and that it was more likely attributed to corruption prevalent throughout the government. Hasan also adds that the collapse could be attributed to the Venezuelan economy being heavily privatized, and provides Scandinavian nations as examples of socialism being successful in practice.
Shortly after Destiny and Hasan's initial remarks, Yiazmat requests to join the call, and is eventually admitted into the discord room. Yiazmat, appearing to be quite emotional, makes his hatred for the Venezuelan government clear and goes on to reassert his position that Hasan is incorrect regarding his claim that "socialism has nothing to do with what happened" to the country. Yiazmat then points to several of the country's industries becoming nationalized, and the institution of various price controls. Destiny posits that Venezuela has been engaging in this nationalizing for quite some time, to which Yiazmat counters that the country had not engaged in such practices before Chávez. Yiazmat goes on to cite the "real socialism" undergone in Venezuela(aka seizing the means of production) as the primary cause for the country's strife, and criticizes Hasan previous attempts at comparing Scandinavian countries to Venezuela.
The conversation veers off into a semantic discussion on what constitutes "true socialism". Throughout the conversation, Yiazmat maintains that the nationalization of several key industries, and instituting of various price controls, is more than enough evidence of socialism occuring. While Hasan disagrees, asserting the problem was due in part to poor leadership, and imperialism from countries like the United States. During the conversation, Hasan would routinely attempt to point to other countries which have engaged in similar activities as Venezuela, and have not experienced economic collapse. Destiny also maintains that the collapse of the country was not a result of socialism, however he primarily asserts price-controls and poor economic policy were the primary cause for the country's downward spiral. Despite initially debating with Yiazmat, Destiny acted as a moderator for the two other individuals in the call, ensuring certain claims(i.e. causes of food shortages in Venezuela) were fact checked in real time and no fallacious arguments were made by either side.
Hasan(voice muffled with food): "Okay... printing money is something the United States does almost all the fucking time...and the reason why they did it, is so that poor people also had access to food."
Destiny: "Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait... chill okay... so your currency is backed by the strength of your economy... when the United States prints currency to cover its own debt, that printing is not done as a crisis play in order to save our economy, the United States does not print money in crisis to save our economy. Even the 2007 downturn was not like an extreme crisis where we had to save ourselves, in the same way that in Venezuela, there are people standing in line for like hours to buy fucking toilet paper... When Venezuela was printing money, they were doing it to literally bail themselves out of a fucked situation, but they did not have the same strength of their economy , so their bond ratings went to shit as a result of this bad monetary policy. Whereas in the US, we can print money, and that's fine, it's backed by our economy, Venezuela did not have the(same) economy." 14:10
Following the initial dispute, the conversation becomes more personal after Destiny inquires what Yiazmat's day-to-day life is like. Yiazmat becomes quite emotional during this segment, as he describes his parents' life-savings being stripped from them by the government. Following Yiazmat's emotionally charged retelling of his family history, Hasan is seemingly more hesitant to press Yiazmat on the issue any further, and the conversation eventually concludes.
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Upon retrieving the Wikipedia page for Hugo Chávez, Destiny remarks the Venezuelan oil industry had been nationalized since the late 1970s, and that Chávez came in 1999. Yiazmat replies that he is unsure, but asserts Chávez still replaced several key workers in these industries with less competent workers. Hasan then adds that while all this is true, it has nothing to do with socialism. Yiazmat maintains that the nationalization of several industries is evidence of socialism occuring.
27:45 Yiazmat claims that some social programs instituted by the Venezuelan government wherein voters were given money and utilities like laundry machines contributed to the country's downfall. Hasan disagrees with this framing, and places the blame once more on poor management of a country. Destiny agrees with Hasan, and pushes back against Yiazmat's perspective as well.
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Hasan joins DGG chat
On December 24th, 2018 Hasan Joined DGG chat under the username "HasanAbi".[35]
Destiny IRL streams with with Andy Milonakis, Hasan, and Pokimane
On January 9th, 2019 Destiny streamed an IRL meetup with Hasan, Pokimane and Andy Milonakis. The group first streamed at a Korean Barbecue restaurant, and then a Bar. [36]
Destiny IRL streams with Hasan and Andy, gets very drunk
Some time around January 25, 2019, Destiny IRL streamed with Hasan and Andy Milonakis at a restaurant.[37] During the stream, Destiny became inebriated to the point where restaurant staff were forced to cut him off.
Highlights from Destiny's drunk escapades include:
- 4:26 Shortly after proclaiming himself the "master of manipulating Gyoza", Destiny proceeds to drop a dumpling on the floor. Destiny then picks the dumpling off the floor and eats it, to Hasan's disdain.
- 4:52 The restaurant manager walks in to greet Andy and the group. After shaking the manager's hand, Destiny decides to inform the manager: "I drank a little bit too much but i'm not causing trouble okay? I'm not hitting anybody or anything." Hasan questions why Destiny would even say this, to which Destiny recounts his casino experience dealing with drunk people. The manager then requests that Andy and Hasan ensure Destiny does not drive home, to which Destiny empathetically responds he would never want the owner to be held liable for his drunk driving. Following this interaction, Hasan concludes Destiny won that debate.
- 5:49 After staring at his phone confusedly, Destiny asks Andy if he paid for his portion of the meal asserting he does not want to "leech" off of him. The waitress then stops by, informing the table that Destiny is being cut off from any further alcoholic beverages.
- 6:10 Destiny lifts up his sweatshirt to reveal he has no guns on his person. Hasan shouts at Destiny for even implying he would be armed, Destiny responds "what if he looks up my license plate".
- 6:36 Destiny grabs Hasan's chest.
- 6:58 Destiny states he has empirical data on the best joke ever.
"So all of a sudden, a friend is out hunting with another friend, and they call 9-1-1. And he says: My friend is on the ground as he's in distress. And the 9-1-1 caller says: Okay, well what's wrong? And the guy says: I think he's dead. And then the first thing she says is: You need to make sure that he's dead first. And there's a long silence and then a gunshot. And the guy is like: okay now what?" -The empirically funniest joke ever according to a very drunk Destiny.
- 7:33 After Destiny attempts to grab Hasan's chest once more, Hasan tells him to stop. Destiny then asks why Hasan is being homophobic.
- 8:31 Destiny gives Andy $200, and tells him to leave the rest as a tip.
- 9:07 After Hasan denies a request to take a group photo with some individuals, Destiny questions why. Hasan responds it's because they did not want Destiny in the photo, and he wanted to stand in solidarity with his friend.
Hasan, Destiny, and Hbomberguy discuss politics, Brexit, and Darksydephil
On January 1, 2019 Destiny and Hasan discussed politics, Antisemitism, Brexit, and DarksydePhil with British youtuber Hbomberguy. [38] During their brief discussion on personal politics, all three parties eventually came to the conclusion that they are in favor of incremental changes towards a better society. The trio then discuss the veracity of the anti-semitism accusations levied towards British political leader labor Jeremy Corbyn, while the three agree antisemitism is present in British politics, they ultimately conclude that the accusations were superfluous. The topic of controversial British politicians, eventually leads to a discussion on Britain's upcoming withdrawal from the European Union(AKA Brexit). The primary contention in this topic being whether a second referendum on Brexit would be justified. Destiny put forth the argument that constantly redoing a vote until a particular outcome is achieved sets a poor precedent, while Hbomberguy argued that the vote won with a slim margin several years ago and voters were not quite as informed on the issue as they were presently(hence the need for another vote). Despite this initial disagreement, both parties end up agreeing important votes such as Brexit should never be held to a referendum.
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Despite the initial disagreement, both Destiny and Hbomberguy agree the Brexit vote should never have been held up to a referendum to begin with. Following this, Hasan argues that Destiny has become "even more of a tankie" than he has, due to the authoritarian perspective he just presented. Destiny responds that in some cases democracy is a poor idea, providing the example of citizens potentially voting on monetary policy. Hasan laudes Hbomberguy for creating such a good analogy, and Destiny argues that it is in fact a horrible analogy. Destiny explains that Hbomberguy is essentially arguing "no referendum matters because you can always do another one." | |
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Hasan and Destiny debate breaking news
On January 7, 2019 Hasan and Destiny debated the ethicacy of reporting on breaking news and the roles of journalists and commentators in shaping public perception. [39] This was among one of the first major on-stream disagreements the two would have, and was met with an overwhelmingly negative response from youtube comments(primarily criticising Hasan).[40]
The conversation begins with a discussion on right-wing political commentator NuanceBro, and a video he had made in response to Hasan's coverage over the death of Jazmine Barnes being a potential hate crime. Hasan goes on to describe how the eventual revelation that the shooting was in fact gang-related(and not a hate crime), resulted in his channel being brigaded by individuals accusing him of "race-baiting", individuals criticizing him for not waiting for more information to come out, and the eventual release of NuanceBro's video. Hasan informs Destiny that he felt this criticism was unfair, arguing that he was merely parroting what major news sources at the time were stating. Destiny took issue with Hasan's perspective, and argued Hasan was irresponsible with his covering of the shooting, asserting he should have waited for all information relating to the event to be released. Moreover, Destiny argued that Hasan should have avoided constructing a narrative around hate crimes, highlighting the hypocrisy Hasan would show if a right-leaning commentator speculated about Arabs following a bombing.
"Here's my position on this...There's literally absolutely never ever ever ever...This is why I hate breaking news... There's never any value that comes out of covering these types of things, before all the information is released... Knowing about it a day or two or whatever earlier, it never gives you anything better, and there's so much potential harm that can come from doing it early, that's why I just try to avoid making any comment" - Destiny 4:32
By the conversation's end, Hasan conceded that framing a racial narrative around the shooting so early was irresponsible. However, he maintained that his job is to "opine", insisting he was justified in reporting on the story with the available facts at the time.
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However, the case took a significant turn when the actual suspects, Eric Black Jr. and Larry Woodruffe, both African American males, were arrested following a tip-off. They were charged with capital murder, and it emerged that the shooting was a case of mistaken identity; the suspects had believed they were attacking individuals from a different vehicle due to an ongoing gang-feud. This revelation led to a controversy over the initial media coverage and public discourse, which had strongly focused on the racial angle based on the first description provided by witnesses.[41] Hasan was among the individuals who took part in this media coverage.
2:09 Shortly after releasing his video, Hasan describes enduring brigading when new information about the shooting surfaces, identifying the shooters as black, which rules out the hate-crime motive. People accuse him of "race-baiting" and criticize him for not waiting for "all the facts to come out." Hasan defends himself by arguing that he was working with the information available just as any news organization would. Hasan goes on to state the criticism he receives is unjustified as he issued a correction and deleted the video of his coverage. 8:40 Hasan argues that if "the information wasn't solid" he would not have worked with it. Destiny rejects this characterization, arguing Hasan "did not work towards anything to get to the hate-crime". Hasan counters, stating he did not assert anything in the situation was a hate-crime, and merely decided to speak on the issue at the time. Destiny tells Hasan to chill, and states he's doing what NuanceBro does when he decides to discuss African American crime statistics. 11:57 Hasan states he has never been in a situation where the police officers and all eyewitness testimony was incorrect, and argues once more he was justified in covering the video. 25:33 Hasan asserts he cannot wait for all the facts to come out, as it would be at a detriment to his job. Destiny disagrees, and posits a hypothetical to Hasan: "Let's say you report the facts about some story, the facts are all true... let's say that from those facts, you could draw three or four likely scenarios that could have happened. Do you think it would be responsible to talk about any of those scenarios without having further facts to confirm them... You're speculating based off incomplete facts on a narrative you can't support." - Destiny Hasan responds once more that his job is to "opine", and he was justified in covering the story with the facts he had. 28:40 Destiny describes a hypothetical scenario where an arab was accused of a terrorist attack, and right-wing pundits decided to discuss arab extremism as a whole. Hasan agrees the pundits would be justified. 38:55 Hasan states his job isn't to report the news uncritically, and flow a narrative around it. Destiny, not paying attention to what Hasan was saying, is incredulous by a bold poker move linked to him by a chatter.
4:31,8:29,10:46, 12:34, 15:50 Destiny routinely asserts that there was no reason for Hasan to cover this event before any more information had come out, and there was no value to be gained from doing so. 18:45 Destiny argues Hasan could have covered the immediate news regarding the shooting without framing a narrative, and should not have decided to leverage the situation to discuss hate-crimes. When is the right time to cover news stories?
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Hasan and Destiny IRL stream at a mall
On January 29, 2019, Hasan and Destiny went on a romantic stroll IRL streamed at a mall. [42]
Destiny, Hasan, Vaush, and RemTheBathBoi debate the necessity of philosophical "grounding". The phrase "morally lucky" is coined
"Someone is morally lucky when they arrive at the correct position without any sort of critical thinking as to why it is correct." - Rem in a reddit post following the conversation[43]
On March 23, 2019 Hasan, Rem, Vaush, Marty, and Destiny engaged in a heated discussion on the necessity of a foundational philosophical understanding for those engaging in political advocacy.[44] In the discussion, Rem argued that political pundits, especially those with large audiences, have a responsibility to ensure their arguments are philosophically grounded. Rem asserts that individuals who do not do so, run the risk of "lucking" into their positions through life-experiences(Rem provided Hasan and Vaush as examples). Shortly after Rem makes this statement, an irate Hasan(seemingly under the belief Rem is trying to "clout farm") and a bewildered Vaush(seemingly hurt by Rem's comments) join the conversation and proceed to have a very tense confrontation with Rem. As the conversation proceeds, Hasan and Vaush argued Rem’s position is unrealistic, particularly in the context of the fast-paced and often superficial nature of online discourse.
Hasan stayed in the call for around two hours before needing to leave for bed. Prior to his departure, Hasan posited the question to Rem "How much analytical philosophy did Martin Luther King engage in before he decided to do advocacy?" Rem argued this was the worst possible example Hasan could have given, as MLK was a very well read student of philosophy and even wrote a paper on Hegel and continental philosophy. Vaush left the call shortly following Hasan's departure, seemingly frustrated with attempting to engage with Rem and his position.
After Hasan and Vaush's exit, Destiny engaged in an hour-long discussion with Rem and Marty to explore ways the conversation could have been more productive. He argued that one side had to "rise above" the other and suggested that the heated way Hasan and Vaush joined the call, combined with Rem's difficulty in clearly conveying his message, contributed to making the conversation unproductive. While Destiny didn't fully express his opinion on "moral luck" until Vaush and Hasan left, he emphasized that Rem held the correct stance in the conversation. He argued that individuals with large audiences should at least possess his own level of philosophical knowledge before advocating for their positions, citing his personal experience in debating individuals who failed to provide adequate arguments against incest.
Prior to the conversation, Hasan and Vaush were not on the most amicable terms with one another. However, the resulting conversation with Rem coupled with an overall disdain for his positions resulted in the two somewhat mending the bridge. Conversely, Rem walked away from the conversation with a newfound dislike for both Hasan and Vaush, primarily concerning his opponents overall obtuse behavior, and general mockery towards himself and philosophy.
Rem coined the phrase "morally lucky" during the debate to criticize Hasan and Vaush, defining it as a situation where an individual arrives at a position without engaging in any "philosophical grounding" as to why the position is correct, and may not truly be advocating for the "most correct" positions. The term became so pervasive within the broader DGG community, references to it can be seen to this day.
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1:21 Rem asks Destiny if he thinks he could be helping people better by giving positive arguments for different policy positions as opposed to engaging with the "lowest common denominator of society". Destiny responds with an anecdote about a former friend of the stream's(Micspam) argument that Destiny should have become the next Philip DeFranco(i.e. just covering politics and policies). Destiny argues that he could potentially do this, but feels he is uniquely suited to engage in the particular debates he participates in, while being able to reach a type of audience that is typically unreachable by pundits on his side of the political spectrum. Destiny concludes that he is in fact "doing good". The difficulty of Leftists engaging with philosophy and "lucking" into the correct positions AKA Rem defines moral luck(and accuses Hasan of fitting the definition)
Rem then argues that Hasan falls into this category of "morally lucky" individuals, and Destiny laughingly states "that's way too brutal, hold on". Rem goes on to describe the difficulty he had in his fruitless two hour long conversation with Hasan in getting him to proclaim any "ethical positions". Destiny puts forth the argument that some individuals don't' have the "drive" to "ground things out", and that one could always push for more "grounding". Destiny points to himself as an example, as despite his engagement with philosophy, he has not read quite enough literature to deem himself "fully grounded" for any given position. Rem caveats that while he does not think Hasan is a bad person, and does in fact do plenty good, he considers Hasan to have "lucked" into his positions. Destiny counters that he believes Hasan is "grounded enough" to provide good policy level arguments. Destiny goes on to argue that having someone like Hasan who happens to be morally lucky is fine, as he can make other people morally lucky by finding his own stream. 9:07 MrMouton joins the call and asks what the term "morally lucky" means. Destiny explains: "When Rem says that Hasan is morally lucky, what Rem is saying is, Hasan doesn't actually have the proper philosophical groundings for his ideas, and he could have just as easily been an alt-righter, and he just happened to grow up around enough people who are left-leaning, and that's why he's left leaning." - Destiny Rem once again caveats that Hasan is more empirically correct than individuals on the right, as individuals on the left are arguably more well read on certain positions. Destiny laughs at this argument, and argues that Hasan isn't quite as well read as he should be, pointing to arguments the two have had revolving around rent-control. Rem jokingly states he's trying to dig himself out a hole with Hasan right now, and Destiny isn't helping. Rem then argues that moral luck may explain why The Young Turks spawned someone like Dave Rubin, Destiny laughs that Rem seems to be on "team Vaush". Rem points out that Vaush has not read philosophy either, and that anything said about Hasan could also apply to Vaush. 11:41 Destiny states that he agrees with Rem to some extent, at least on an emotional level. He points out that he enjoys grounding out his opinions moreso than other individuals, as it allows him to change and adapt to new ideas easily. Destiny then argues that if an individual does not wish to do all the "leg-work" involved in philosophically grounding oneself, and they more or less fall in line with his own positions, he doesn't necessarily think it's a bad thing. Destiny then suggests that while it would be ideal if Hasan was literally citing philosophers on stream, it's not realistic. Hasan and Vaush join the call
Shortly after Vaush joins the call, Hasan earnestly attempts to engage with Rem regarding the difficulties he experiences in bringing over complex philosophical terms into the streaming medium he inhabits. Hasan goes on to admit this is a "bottleneck" for himself, and argues that it may be a difficulty for Rem as well. Rem counters this, arguing that he does not go onto public platforms with massive audiences, and taught a political philosophy that he does not feel he can adequately ground in an ethical theory. Rem goes on to describe the difficulty he experienced in getting Hasan to "ground" himself in an ethical theory in a prior conversation they had. 20:37 Rem remarks that while Destiny posses some frankly morbid philosophical positions, he can actually ground his political positions. Destiny then asserts that one could argue "how could you have any metaethical position when you're lost with things like metaphysics or epistemology." Vaush cuts Rem off before he can respond, and asks Rem if he truly believes he "lucked" into being a leftist. The debate
"You can have one(a perspective), but you have to simultaneously acknowledge that yours is just as justified as someone who is on the alt-right." As Destiny opens up Factorio, Rem then directly asks if either Hasan or Vaush can give ethical reasons to support their political positions. Hasan then responds that he would like to see the "redistribution of girlfriends." Vaush responds:"I want the greatest number of people to experience the greatest amount of happiness possible. I believe I follow that by pursuing policies which allow for the material redistribution of wealth, which would allow people to get the most they can out of the consumption of material necessities that will allow them to live... free of subsistence worries." Shortly after Rem acknowledges Vaush's utilitarian perspective, he asks Vaush: "What if I was a Deontologist, your position is not compatible with Deontology, and I don't think you have a way to argue against me if I was one." To which Vaush retorts that he should not have to shoulder the burden of Deontologists and Utilitarians, and would rather just "dab" on right wingers without having to solve an "unsolvable" philosophical dilemma. Rem then acknowledges that while people in Vaush's position may be able to attack those on the right who are incompatible with most ethical systems, they would still have to concede that their positions are just as justifiable(from a philosophical framework perspective) as those on the right. Vaush responds he would never attack right-leaning individuals from a philosophical perspective, and would instead argue with the fundamental immorality of their arguments. Rem posits a hypothetical to Vaush: "Could you actually give me an argument right now to my(hypothetical) position where I have an ethical system, such that, black people are excluded as being moral agents. Do you actually think you could give me a... philosophical argument against that?" Vaush responds he would be unable to ,and that he would just want his debate opponent in this hypothetical to "be dead". Hasan responds that Rem would have to justify if black people had agency in this scenario as well. 24:51 Destiny provides a "real life" example which served as justification for his own endeavors into philosophy: "When somebody says something like "I believe in the superiority of the white race over black people. I can make these like vague understanding things like 'I believe all people should be treated equally..' or by having a little bit of an understanding of the underlying arguments, I can turn the argument on them and I can say something like 'okay, well you think that white people's lives should be valued more than black people's... what if I were to make that argument more extreme and say white people with brown eyes instead of white people with blue eyes' and then I could turn that onto them and force them to answer the question. I think having a slightly better understanding of deeper principles can enable you to understand an opponent's argument better and dig a little deeper and them kind of turn it around on them. I don't think i'd be able to do that if I hadn't spent a little time engaging with some ideas." - Destiny Hasan retorts that this is allegedly not enough according to Rem's framework, and that Destiny would be required to be able to justify morally that black people have agency before he can argue on behalf of black people. Rem agrees, and argues that this is not a difficult thing to do, to which Vaush assets such a position is not pragmatic for people engaging in actual political advocacy/debates. Rem then asserts that while the average person should not reasonably be expected to bear this responsibility, individuals advocating for political positions, especially on public platforms, should be be expected to put in the "philosophical work" to ensure their position is the correct one. Vaush mockingly suggests that Rem is advocating for people to pursue philosophy before joining in political advocacy, to which Rem reiterates that is not his belief. Vaush argues his perspective as a "rule utilitarian", that even if he has not fully "solved" the philosophical implications of what he believes in, he could make the argument that people could broadly lead better lives under his system than under the system of fascists. Vaush goes on to argue he has a utilitarian obligation to engage in praxis against their values. Rem replies, in the case of right-winger, Vaush does have the moral justification to argue his position, given most ethical systems are incompatible with right-leaning positions. He caveats that his primary argument centers around the distinction between an individual who considers themself to be a communist versus a Rawlsian liberal. Rem's train of thought is then interrupted by a "deez nuts" joke from MrMouton, at which point Hasan takes the time mto thank Rem for making him seem more entertaining by comparison. Vaush replies that this remark was rude, and Rem replies that such a personal attack indicates that Hasan is incapable of defending his own position. From this point the two engage in a very heated personal(and unproductive) argument. "Hasan literally almost everything you've said in this discussion so far, has just been a personal attack, and you've not actually engaged with me on any sort of level". -Rem Hasan then accuses Rem of gaslighting, and calls-back to a time where he believes Rem referred to himself as "morally-inconsistent". Rem denies ever saying such a thing, and Destiny attempts to steer the conversation back on track shortly after by restating Rem's argument with an analogy: "Let's say we want to take a car trip... and the best vehicle we can take is a nice blue car, it gets really good miles per gallon. Now, let's say you have a really advanced driver, and he says 'I know that this car is good, because it has very good miles per gallon, so we're gonna use that car to go on the road trip.' What Rem is saying, is that you don't know enough about cars, to know that the reason why you're driving that blue car is because it gets a lot of miles per gallon. So what could happen is, another shiny blue car could drive by, like an alt-right blue car, and you might wanna drive that car instead even if it gets shity miles per gallon, because you don't understand why you were ever driving the original blue car."- Destiny explaining Rem's argument with an analogy. Hasan attempts to engage with the analogy, and argues that if he looks at the history of the alt-right blue car in this scenario, and finds that it has killed several individuals, he could make an informed decision without needing to understand the underlying mechanics of the car. Rem takes issue with this, and argues that if Hasan's intention is to "sell the fucking car", he needs to understand the underlying mechanisms behind the product. Vaush chimes in and states the analogy has been broken down to uselessness, he argues that when individuals in his position engage in political advocacy, they are making some "basic points" and hoping people "pick the fuck up" on it. 32:16 Shortly after Vaush claims that he is "grounded", Rem asks what his grounding is. Vaush responds that he has an "axiomatic foundation of wanting to maximize happiness for as many people as possible." Rem mocks Vaush for "presupposing a random thing" that he refuses to justify, to which Vaush argues that most of philosophy is built on "unjustified presupposed axioms". Rem then derides Destiny for "bringing on a new generation of axiomatists", and Vaush pointedly asks Rem to prove to him that it is the right thing to maximize happiness for the maximum amount of people." Rem responds that he doesn't necessarily believe that, decides to play Devil's advocate, and claims he holds an axiom that he wants to cause the most harm to everyone. From this point, Vaush becomes increasingly irate with Rem. 34:07 Vaush asks Rem what the political value of attempting to objectively determine the ideal mode of values that one needs to engage in political advocacy is. Vaush goes on to argue that pundits in his position make the best arguments they can, and every individual regardless of how solid their argument, will enact force/violence against the individuals they disagree with. Vaush concludes that politics is violence. Rem writes this entire argument off as pure "rhetoric", and steers the conversation back to the discussion on axioms. Rem proceeds to argue that because Vaush seemingly choosing an axiom at random, if he were to debate against an individual with a different axiom, he would be unable to have a conversation. Rem then explains Normative Ethics to Vaush, a philosophical topic centered around the debate of moral axioms. Shortly after, Rem mockingly suggests that Vaush would have known this if he read more philosophical theory. After a brief moment where Vaush, Rem and Hasan shout at one another in unison, Destiny attempts to explain Vaush's position to Rem. He explains that Vaush would argue someone like Donald Trump would not be able to ground out his positions morally, let alone define what the word "normative" means, despite being in a position of utmost political power. Rem retorts that he was making a philosophical argument and not a political one. To which Destiny responds Vaush and Hasan are more interested in political discourse than philosophical discourse. Rem then responds that while Vaush and Hasan would be able to have a political perspective, they would be unable to have a "justifiable" one without rooting it in a moral framework. 36:50 Vaush proceeds to argue that while he respects Rem's intelligence, and is admittedly "very triggered" at the moment, any argument Rem is making regarding philosophy and leftists would be laughed at from those on the right. Rem counters that he had not even hinted at such an argument. Vaush continues his argument irregardless, and asserts that if leftists were to attempt to live up to Rem's standards there would be very few available to combat right-leaning thought. Vaush believes people who don't share his political beliefs should be killed
In response, Vaush argues that he "operates in pragmatism", and points to an example of somebody who believes in "genocidal nihilism". He asserts an individual who engages in such a belief, is far beyond having a "sit-down" conversation. He goes on to argue that the proper way to deal with such an individual who holds such a belief is to "jail or kill them." Following this explanation, Rem states Vaush's position makes more sense, but caveats the way his position was stated makes it appear as though there is no possible discourse one could have with Vaush if they share a different ethical axiom. Vaush counters, arguing once more that Rem's position is impractical. Vaush goes on to state that while it may be possible to "hash out" different value systems in a neutral way, he does not believe it is practical for the average human being, and concludes that it should not be relevant for the "political process". Rem responds that his position would be more relevant to individuals with larger audiences. He points to an example of an individual "going to a picket-line", not necessarily needing a moral framework to engage in such an activity. He juxtaposes this against someone someone like Destiny, someone who's political messages have been heard by millions of individuals, and argues that Destiny must make it his priority to ensure his positions are the absolute correct ones. Rem concludes that the goal of politics is to advocate for the most correct, and true positions. Destiny disagrees with this conclusion. Exskillsme joins
43:57 Exskillsme chimes in, arguing that Rem's position regarding individuals with different axioms being unable to have a discussion is incorrect. Rem denies ever saying such a thing, points out that he actually argued against this position, and informs Exskillsme that Vaush actually made this argument. Exskillsme then informs Vaush that they had previously had discussions despite the fact that both appeared to have differing axioms. Vaush counters, asserting Exskillsme engaged his value system with "flagrant dishonesty and no actual interest." 46:01 Exskillsme explains why he's somewhat in agreement with Rem, arguing that while a moral grounding should be prioritized for individuals with large audiences, these individuals do not necessarily need to "solve philosophy". Rem is satisfied with the answer, and agrees with Exskillsme position. Vaush, seemingly in disbelief that Rem and Exskillsme were able to come to an agreement so shortly, takes issue with this development. Hasan argues with Rem
48:17 Hasan and Vaush ask Rem what he "identifies" as on the political spectrum. Rem informs them that he identifies as a "democratic socialist". Hasan further probes, asking Rem if he believes in "seizing the means of production", and Marxist principles. Hasan then concludes that they both have similar political beliefs, and attempts to understand Rem's perspective better by asking why he and Vaush could have become alt-righters if they were not surrounded by other left-leaning individuals. 50:32 After Hasan claims that one can ground themselves within an ethical system without "getting to the root of kantian philosophy", Rem asks Hasan what he thinks grounding is. Hasan avoids answering the question, and claims to have adopted Vaush's perspective of "maximizing happiness" fo the most amount of individuals. In response, Rem provides a hypothetical of an individual growing up in Nazi Germany. He then describes how this individual's perception of "maximizing happiness" may be vastly different from Hasan or Vaush's own. Following an inadequate response from Hasan, Rem concludes Hasan is incapable of grounding out a "logical and true" moral framework. In response, Hasan claims to not care if his system is not the "most correct", and admits to be willing to change it should a perceivably better one come about. Rem then asserts this proves his own point, and that an alt-righter could say the exact same things and be just as justified as Hasan. 55:17 Rem once again informs Hasan he is just as externally justified in his positions as an alt-righter. Hasan responds that he is justified as he wants the "least amount of harm". To which Rem once again asks Hasan to ground this position, and Hasan professes to being unsure how to do so, and asserts once more he just wants the least amount of harm done to the most people. Rem once again provides a hypothetical to support his position "How would you argue against me if I were an alt-righter and my core-ethical tenant was to kill all black people?" Hasan responds "That's a bad idea, I don't think black people want to be killed." Rem then informs Hasan this is not a proper justification for his position. 57:09 The debate derails further, and Rem discusses his issues with Hasan insulting him at the start of the conversation. Insults thrown out include: "sleeper dipshit", "condescending mother fucker", "little dick", and "sleeper cocksucker". Vaush asks rem for a moral justification of left-leaning positions
59:07 Following a heated discussion between Hasan and Rem, Vaush pointedly asks Rem to morally justify his political position. Rem confesses he is unable to morally justify his position over a different left-leaning principle, and explains it is not necessary for him to do so given the fact he is not a political pundit. Hasan and Vaush proceed to mock Rem for some time as a result of this position, and criticize Rem for holding them to a standard he does not personally live by. 1:07:49 Rem takes the "extreme position" and argues that there should be a higher bar set if one wishes to truly be "moral". Destiny takes issue with this argument and asserts that setting "too high of a bar" for oneself and those on "your side", then the other side will by nature have a much lower barrier to entry and be much more effective politically. Is Rem's position elitist?
1:14:55 Rem is pressured into providing a grounding for his position, before he can do so Vaush takes the opportunity to argue with Rem once more regarding holding him to a standard that Rem himself does not hold to. Vaush eventually asserts that it is not foundationally possible to justify an ethic axiom. Rem argues he can, to which Vaush essentially dares Rem to prove him wrong. 1:17:50 Following several minutes of prodding, Vaush eventually decides to debate Rem regarding the subject of First Philosophy. Before this debate can be had, Vaush throws out an olive branch to Rem, stating that while he likes Rem he'd like him to at least acknowledge there may be some pragmatic consequences to his position. Noticing that there are three people against him, Rem decides to bring in a friend to assist him. Stalled joins the call AKA Rem brings in the all-star philosophy team
Marty joins the call AKA Rem brings in the all-star philosophy team
1:29:08 Vaush chimes in, informing Marty that Rem argued pundits should be "forced" to undergo philosophical training before entering the political landscape. Marty responds with a hypothetical: "would you let a surgeon operate on you without any formal training?" To which Vaush responds that this is a false-equivalency. Marty counters, that the entire argument hinges on whether or not one should buy into the "level of professionalism" inhabited in political discourse. Marty goes on to argue that while there is not such a level of professionalism in modern political discourse, individuals like Rem argue that their ought to be. 1:30:48 Vaush provides the example of a trans-women "popping off" with their political youtube channel, and asks Marty if he feels this individual should be barred from speaking on their lived experience until they've put in the philosophical leg-work. Marty informs Vaush that he believes Vaush is misunderstanding his position. He goes on to explain that while this person can do what they want, it is not ideal that this individual is unable to formulate their position in some sort of normative ethics. Marty further explains that one could not have some "good working theory" without some background assumptions. Vaush argues once more that Rem has staked out an unreasonable position that would make it incredibly difficult for other individuals to advocate for political stances. Marty counters all one would need to understand ethics is the internet or a library card. Destiny informs Marty this position is not reasonable, and provides the hypothetical of disaffected minority with poor access to a reasonable library/internet. Marty argues this individual would have no basis for political advocacy to begin with, as they would not be readily read in any sort of areas to begin with. Destiny counters that unlike a doctor, technically every individual engages with philosophy throughout their lives, and one's political positions could be informed by their life's situations. Marty argues that Rem seems to be arguing that in order to do "good" philosophy/ethics, one needs to deliberate upon certain kinds of beliefs. 1:39:30 Marty provides a hypothetical: "Let's say you have an ethical demand, and I don't really have to meet that demand because I work 80 hours a week, do you think that that's a respectable answer?" Vaush argues that this should not be an ethical demand to begin with, to which Marty asks Vaush if he believes any ethical obligations/social constructs should exist. Marty further elaborates that he could universally apply the same criticism of "I work 80 hours a week, therefore I don't owe you anything" to even a basic understanding of the law. 1:42:12 Vaush becomes very irate with Rem, accusing him of being a "rabble-rouser", argues there is no reason for him to let Rem talk except for entertainment purposes, asserts there is no justification for how unpragmatic Rem has been throughout the conversation, and accuses Rem of requiring a "doctoral level education in philosophy" before speaking about politics. Rem begins responding, but is cut short multiple times as individuals in the call ask Rem to speed up his response. Rem eventually makes the argument that an individual would arguably be more moral with a basic understanding of philosophy, during this time Rem mutes Vaush. 1:49:31 Vuash argues one would require a huge amount of pre existing resources/privilege to be able to meet Rem's standard. Rem counters, arguing he has met several individuals from unprivileged backgrounds who have spent time engaging with philosophy. Hasan and Vaush are quick to write this off as superfluous anecdotal evidence, mock Rem for suggesting as such, and laugh as Rem attempts to finish his argument. Vaush provides his own anecdotal evidence, asserting that the small town he lives in has several people advocating for just political issues, yet would fail to meet Rem's standard. 1:51:57 Hasan leaves the call, asks Rem how much analytical philosophy Martin Luther King engaged in before he decided to do advocacy. Rem argues that this is the worst example Hasan could have gave, as MLK was a very well read philosopher. Marty even points out that MLK wrote a paper on Hegel. 1:52:59 Rem informs Vaush he was the worst person he has had to speak to regarding this topic. The conversation continues, and Vaush reiterates Rem's argument is unpragmatic, and an unfair standard to levy on any individuals attempting to engage in political advocacy. 1:55:30 Rem and Vaush loop through their prior arguments for an extended period of time, the resulting conversation becomes increasingly more unproductive until Vaush leaves the call. This unproductive conversation is cut between Destiny, and Marty fruitlessy attempting to act as mediators between the two when possible. Vaush calls Rem privileged, Rem becomes irate and the conversation becomes even more unproductive
Stalled claims Rem was unclear that his position only referred to content creators with audiences, despite the fact that Rem said as much from the very beginning of the conversation. 2:04:32 Marty posits the question to vaush: Aught thought-leaders learn philosophy before engaging in political advocacy? Vaush argues they should not, and they could if they want to. Vaush then asks Rem exactly how many followers are required for a thought-leader to have before they are required to learn philosophy. Marty responds that the amount is "fuzzy". Destiny later steps in, asks Vaush to clarify what he means by the "vast majority of people being unable to meet Rem's standard". Destiny points out that he meets Rem standards, and he has a very base level of understanding philosophy. Destiny and Rem discuss
2:42:11 Rem asks Destiny if he feels public figures should be well read enough(in philosophy) to justify their political positions. 2:46:40 Destiny responds that he agrees, and that political figures aught to at least have his level of philosophical knowledge in order to advocate for political positions. Destiny goes on to point to individuals who had made dumb arguments in the past, i.e. regarding incest. | |
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Hasan and Destiny discuss Article 13 WIP
On March 26, 2019 Destiny and Hasan engaged in a short conversation regarding Article 13, an upcoming European Union directive.[45]
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SARGON OF AKKAD, TYT's HASAN PIKER, DESTINY, NICK F, & co-host ASMONGOLD - POLITICAL PODCAST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XbT4UojaRw
Hasan and Destiny debate abortion WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZOr-ruA_XM
I don't really know if you're pretending or not... ft. HasanAbi & Emmia WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stdrVr9BHkE
Hasanabi And Destiny BREAK UP Over Kamala Misinformation WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLfAuWe3xho
Hasanabi And Destiny BREAK UP Aftermath WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCsvkP_sVQw
Hasan and Destiny get back together WIP
"I've never been more gaslit in my entire life..." - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More(n-word arc) WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hodq77NShaA
Piers Morgan Show attempts to set up a debate with Destiny and Hasan
On May 2, 2024, the Piers Morgan show attempted to set up a debate between Destiny and Hasan. [46] Destiny agreed to the debate, and Hasan's response was never received.
Notable Clips, Videos, and Tweets and Controversies WIP
Clips
Hasan allegedly consumes Destiny content in his free time
On May 13, 2024, Destiny alleges that Hasan spends his free time religiously following his content. Destiny claims to have discovered this following Melina's affair with Hasan's friend, Will Neff.
Controversies
Throughout his career, Piker has been involved in several controversies, often stemming from his outspoken political views. In 2019, he faced backlash for comments made during a Twitch stream about the September 11 attacks and brave Mujahideen fighters fucking the eye hole of U.S. Representative Dan Crenshaw. Piker later apologized for the remarks, stating that they were "inappropriate and offensive."
Bro Tips
During the run of Hasan's show "Bro Tips", hosted on The Young Turks, he made a number of controversial comments in which he accused Lady Gaga of having a penis, and gave viewers instructions on how to isolate women from their friends, then coerce them into sexual intercourse. [citation needed]
"Come back again next week when we discuss the legendary question of all time: Old enough to count, old enough to mount?" [47]
- — Hasan 'The Brofessor' Piker
"It's time to get out of here and it's time to separate her from her herd, meaning her crowd of girlfriends who are going to do their best to cockblock you because they're fat and lonely." [48]
- — Hasan 'The Brofessor' Piker
"Brotip: If you stand in front of the door, she can't leave." [citation needed]
- — Hasan 'The Brofessor' Piker
"Here's why the 5 second rule works: Because when you start thinking for longer than 5 seconds, you're immediately not thinking with your dick, and also thinking with this thing that we like to call our brains." [49]
- — Hasan 'The Brofessor' Piker
Controversial quotes
- "Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?"
- “I paved it on my own”
- "I live on a basic necessity budget"
- "Twitch leak"
- "I make the same amount of money as a doctor"
- "A real job ... doesn't suck the soul out of you in the same way that ... streaming absolutely will."
- "I'm a propagandist, for the record."
- "At least Patrick Henry college, is like, doing one good thing. Which is that like, if you have these fucking millionaire/billionaire WASP fail-sons, at least taking them out of other colleges so they can only do date-rape to millionaire/billionaire fail-daughters, is like in some respects, you know from a utilitarian perspective of course, a little bit better, you know what I mean? Taking these guys and... putting them in a pen with one another, is ultimately getting them away from the broader society."
- I hope, I hope, that the rest of your life is as horrible as it is every single day, okay. There ya go. Suck my dick. I despise you. I despise you more than anything else on the planet. You are fucking cancer, okay. You are cancer in this community, and you are cancer in every community. Suck my dick. For the last 15 months you've been able to fucking hide in these ranks, you catboy fuck. Move your catboy ass out of here, you are never welcome. You are never going to be unbanned, no matter how difficult it is, no matter how much you want to get unbanned, I will never unban you. You are now banished into the fucking, shadow realm, okay. The notion, that I am not, fuckin, ehh, ehh, ah- a-, like, I should not be having transphobes on, or ever talk about transphobia, or to transphobic people, is such a pathetic, and stupid fucking argument, when Vaush himself has probably said that the debate was fine. Okay? I don't like you. I'm going to make this very clear. If you are this type of person, I don't like you. I don't want you to be in here, okay? Or if you're gonna be in here, you need to fucking know your place. You need to know your place. Your place is this, okay? It's not this, it's this. You can stay in here and watch, but you're not going to fuckin', write shit, in the chat. Sorry. I would quite literally rather have someone who is on the margins, and is actually interested in learning, but might have transphobic points of view, RATHER THAN, someone who's like, (gay voice) "MM I'm a catboy, I've been in here for 50 months, and I think like, you know, you're not that good at debates, so you shouldn't have a transphobic person on." Like, no. Fuck off. Like, literally, I would rather have a MILLION people that are willing to fucking learn, and are actually here, much like the rest of normal society that have been like, socially conditioned into feeling the ways that they do, than ANY NUMBER of super woke, super fuckin' leftist, uh, uh, debate lords. Straight up. I've done more debates than you, I'm better at debates than you, I'm better at debates than most of the other people that you fucking compare me to, because debates are still pure rhetoric, okay. That's it. (sips drink) Anyway... Oh, by the way, mods, clap that person that is definitely in the discord too. If they're crying in the discord right now, 100% clap that person's ass cheeks. "
- "Hamas unironically is the lesser evil(compared to the IDF)."
External Links
References
- ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1beumlg/the_word_destiny_is_banned_in_hasans_chat/
- ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1ci6gdj/hasan_goes_all_out_on_destiny_and_this_sub/
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- ↑ Norman Finkelstein & Others DEBATE on Lex Fridman Podcast | Hasanabi Reacts (Longest Stunlock Ever). (Mar 15, 2024 ). www.youtube.com. Retrieved May 2, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MprW_lFCbyg
- ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/174wtzc/about_destiny_saying_hes_more_popular_than_hasan/
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- ↑ Destiny DEBATES Omar Baddar | Hasanabi Reacts to Breaking Points. (May 3, 2024 ). Www.youtube.com. Retrieved May 3, 2024, from https://youtu.be/nWxrMQf8g5U?t=2444
- ↑ Ben Shapiro vs Destiny Debate | HasanAbi reacts to Lex Fridman Podcast. (Jan 24, 2024 ). www.youtube.com. Retrieved April 4, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i9UYIkDTsY&t=4752s
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- ↑ The Most Oppressed Group - Pre-debate Debate with Hasan Piker. (Oct 23, 2018). Www.youtube.com. Retrieved April 4, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9iPLU3fAFA&t=5424s
- ↑ Domestic abuse - MrDeadMoth hits wife ft. MrMouton, Hasan, WhiteNervosa. (Dec 12, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved March 1, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RAZHElDZL8
- ↑ https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/File:Hasan_does_think_wikipedia_is_a_scholarly_source..mp4
- ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1coih9u/destiny_only_reads_wikipedia_as_4thot_requested/
- ↑ Media:Watch Destiny Only Reads Wikipedia Streamable.mp4
- ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1cphimw/debate_fancam_hasan_does_no_research_actual/
- ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1cpjtb0/pedro_pedro_pedro_pedro_pe/
- ↑ The Most Oppressed Group - Pre-debate Debate with Hasan Piker. (October 9, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved January 29, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9iPLU3fAFA
- ↑ POLITICON - DESTINY REACTS. (October 22, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved January 19, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uenf3uYDKBE
- ↑ Politicon 2018 - Post-debate Debate with Hasan Piker. (October 24, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved January 19, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jRhGapcaK4
- ↑ Meeting with Hasanabi. (Nov 1, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved February 12, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVf1hMt-XbI
- ↑ Richard Lewis Semantics Expert. (November 2, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved February 2, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1OXF6IEBFc
- ↑ Hasan’s Richard Lewis Debate - Post-debate Debate with Hasan Piker. (November 9, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved February 2, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8
- ↑ CNN, A. by Z. B. W. (February 27, 2018). Trump’s attacks on Judge Curiel are still jarring to read. CNN. https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/27/politics/judge-curiel-trump-border-wall/index.html
- ↑ At Hasan’s place ft. Felklmao. (Dec 1, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved February 20, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwiRb8RveDQ
- ↑ Talk with Hasan - McDonnald’s employee kicking teenagers out. (Dec 3, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved February 20, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTpTLj4Lg9A
- ↑ Talk with Hasan - Doctor kicked out of airplane. (Dec 4, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved February 20, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eBl1Ntx45A
- ↑ Talk with Hasan - Disciplining employee - School janitor case. (Dec 6, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved February 20, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RYq-F6AUcU
- ↑ https://livestreamfails.com/post/36043
- ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/a5bdn3/destinys_take_on_mrdeadmoths_abuse_clip/
- ↑ Domestic abuse - MrDeadMoth hits wife ft. MrMouton, Hasan, WhiteNervosa. (Dec 12, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved March 1, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RAZHElDZL8
- ↑ Destiny. (December 7, 2018). PewDiePie and E;R ft. Hasanabi. In YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ENmudByKig
- ↑ Talking with a venezuelan about Venezuela ft. Hasanabi. (December 22, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved February 26, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDiS7WdrzQg
- ↑ https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2018-12-15T04%3A44%3A52.000Z&username=yiazmat
- ↑ https://rustlesearch.dev/surrounds?channel=Destinygg&date=2018-12-24T06%3A45%3A50.000Z&username=hasanabi
- ↑ 2019-01-09 - irl stream with andy, hasan, bella and poki at kbbq, bar. (2/8/2020). www.youtube.com. Retrieved March 19, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3FdEGY9Xo8
- ↑ STOP JĘRKIŃG ME OFF. (Jan 25, 2019). Www.youtube.com. Retrieved March 19, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22L8ynUNxsc
- ↑ There’s something you value more than democracy... ft. Hasan Piker & H.Bomberguy. (Jan 3, 2019). www.youtube.com. Retrieved March 20, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyOnBYaLFwY
- ↑ I F#%*ING HATE BREAKING NEWS FT. HASAN PIKER. (Jan 9, 2019). www.youtube.com. Retrieved March 22, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FcDO7jYQQ8
- ↑ Media:HasanBreakingNewsComments.png
- ↑ https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/1/10/18175589/jazmine-barnes-shooting-houston-texas-race
- ↑ I DIDN’T KNOW I GRABBED THE MAGNUM XXXL’S. (Jan 29, 2019). www.youtube.com. Retrieved April 2, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4V1zrh0W4A
- ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/cbfh6y/rem_what_i_mean_by_moral_luck_with_regards_to/
- ↑ Streamer Drama ft. Hasanabi, Vaush, Marty & RemTheBathBoi. (Mar 23, 2019). www.youtube.com. Retrieved April 3, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjszEJBKWRs
- ↑ How will Article 13 change YouTube and Twitch? ft. Hasanabi. (Mar 30, 2019). www.youtube.com. Retrieved May 9, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPtdhXmRgCo
- ↑ https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/1cirrrv/pierce_morgan_show_trying_to_set_up_destiny_vs/
- ↑ Rare Cringe Hasanabi Compilation. (May 22, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved April 23, 2024, from https://youtu.be/q_r7Ft35rE0?si=nDhEaR3tCq3s3C7J&t=41
- ↑ Hasanabi Brotip: The Lets Get Outta Here Rule. (May 26, 2022). www.youtube.com. Retrieved April 23, 2024, from https://youtu.be/DLEGpN0CUJ4?si=6kUQw4qtv1_kojms&t=50
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