Kelly Jean

Kelly Jean
Person
Status	Active
Occupation	Cosplayer
Country of origin	United Kingdom
Media
Website	kellyjeaaann.com
Twitter	kellyjeaaann
Instagram	kellyjeaaann
Youtube	kellyjeaaann
Manifolds Market	Kelly Jean Stock
Other
DGG Chat Username	kelly_jean

Kelly Jean is a cosplayer, former producer of the now cancelled Kick or Keep, and former admin of the jstlk Discord. She was once a frequent guest on jstlk's stream and was partially responsible for nearly bringing down Tom Foolery's Youtube channel.

Appearances

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• I Didn't Want Her To Die! Destiny And Aba Press Kelly Jean - YouTube 2023
• She Confronts Destiny About Being Gaslit During Their Trans Debate - YouTube 2023
• Destiny Debates Kelly, Gets TRIGGERED And SNAPS... - YouTube 2022
• League with Kelly Jean - YouTube 2016

Dramas

The Baldur's gate incident

On June 5, 2024, Kelly, Ahrelevant, Wolfgand, and Jstlk participated in a permadeath Baldur's Gate 3 campaign. Due to the disparate priorities apparent throughout much of the campaign (Kelly being keen to roleplay, while the other party members prioritized the combat/hardcore aspect of the playthrough), the run was rife with internal party-conflict.

The full recounting of much of the party's heated exchanges can be found in the table below:

Baldur's gate campaign arguments

Kelly damages a party member Kelly mistakenly damages Jstlk's character during her combat turn, forcing Jstlk to utilize a defensive ability. Kelly argues she was "tabbed-out" to fix her Discord to the chagrin of the other party members. The party refuses to Long Rest, Kelly takes issue Ahrelevant explains to Kelly that she must long rest to remove a particularly harmful condition, to which Jstlk argues that they do not have enough time to rest and will likely have to go into battle. Kelly argues she is not in a fit state to go into battle, explaining she has "-1" to all stats presently. Wolfgand and Ahrelevant then respond by berating Kelly for seemingly letting a vampire bite her character, despite warning her several times against it. Kelly retorts, arguing she had not played before and was engaging in "character interactions", and therefore did not feel the need to ask. Ahrelevant counters, explaining to Kelly that she was in fact engaging in "bum" activity. Following the party leaving camp and deciding not to long-rest, Kelly expresses her annoyance with regards to her diminished stats once more. Kelly proceeds to disparage the party for seemingly refusing to roleplay, to which Ahrelevant responds he would never roleplay in a party with an elf attempting to become a vampire. Kelly then suggests that Ahrelevant should leave the party, and Ahrelevant responds he simply will not roleplay with her. Kelly has difficulty entering an area Following her fellow party members entering a new area, Kelly verbally questions where the rest of her group went, explaining she was once more tabbed out. Jstlk suggests to Kelly she could simply look for the "blue dots" on her minimap, to which Kelly responds she does not see anybody on it. Jstlk then explains to Kelly that she must "zoom out" her minimap. Kelly responds she can now see the blue dots, however everyone is too far away from her as they have entered another area. Following several party members also having trouble entering the new area, Ahrelevant chimes in, suggesting everyone could simply teleport to the area through the game's map. Kelly then panics as several of her party members have seemingly disappeared from the map, to which Ahrelevant questions if Kelly was even listening to what he just stated. Kelly counters, arguing that she did not think Ahrelevant was speaking to her. Ahrelevant proceeds to reemphasize his prior use of the word everyone, and reexplains to Kelly what she must do. Owlbear fight During the party's fight with an optional boss, the Owlbears, Kelly's combat turn comes up. Her other party members explain that she must simply attack the "baby bear" next to her, and Kelly proceeds to utilize her Burning hands ability in empty space adjacent to herself, hitting nothing. Following much laughter, Ahrelevant instructs Kelly to walk up to one of the larger Owlbears, and perform an attack. The party eventually wiped on this boss. Kelly isn't sure if she wants to play with Ahrelevant again In a conversation between Chaiery, Jstlk, Kelly, and Wolfgand, Kelly expresses her uncertainty with regards to playing with Ahrelevant again. Jstlk explains that Ahrelevant is the most experienced member of the party, and kicking him would be to the detriment of the group. Shortly following this clip, Kelly floats the idea to Chaiery that she could potentially replace Ahrelevant in their campaign. Wolfgand takes issue, arguing that Ahrelevant is fun to play with. Kelly counters, arguing that Ahrelevant's dislike for her is at the detriment to the campaign. Ahrelevant kills the brain dog, Kelly threatens to leave the party Following the Owlbear wipe, Ahrelevant, Jstlk, and Kelly begin a new campaign. During the introduction to the new campaign, Kelly eventually finds out that Ahrelevant has seemingly murdered an optional pet. Ahrelevant retorts "I want to remind everybody what happened the last time Kelly tried to befriend an animal". To which Kelly responds she does not wish to play anymore, nor deal with Ahrelevant's "bad attitude". Kelly leaves the party for a short while, but eventually returns. Kelly attempts to attack an enemy out of range, later sets the group on fire During a fight wherein Kelly was seemingly far out of the reach of an enemy, Kelly wasted a combat resource in futility attempting to damage it (despite party members warning her otherwise). Kelly explains that the enemy outline was red, which she construed as an indication for a potential attack, to which Wolfgand expresses his desire to kill himself. Shortly following the aforementioned range incident, Kelly inadvertently sets the entire party ablaze after striking a particular enemy. Ahrelevant then reminds Kelly that Wolfgand warned her against doing so earlier. The spider incident The tipping point occurred upon the party reaching the Phase Spider Matriarch boss. Following the party deliberating a proper course of action with regards to the boss for some time, Kelly repeatedly expresses her desire to begin the fight as they've "spent too long" discussing what to do and should simply shoot the spider or her eggs. Jstlk points to the irony of the situation, arguing the party had to sit through Kelly spending "thirty-minutes" engaging in dialogue with NPCs the rest of the party members were indifferent about. Kelly counters, arguing there are a limited amount of routes the party can take in this particular fight, to which Wolfgand and Jstlk reemphasize their desire not to wipe the party once more and have a plan worked out. Jstlk and Wolfgand then explain the myriad of routes available for the party to explore, to which Kelly responds by shooting a spider egg at the first available opportunity. Ahrelevant then expresses his frustration with Kelly: "Kelly just so you know how frustrating you get with other people not being cooperative, I'm ten-times more frustrated with you right now... We're trying to figure out exactly when we want to shoot the eggs, which eggs we want to shoot."

Kelly is accused of holding up the party while they are on a tight schedule

The penultimate conflict occurred following Kelly's decision to interact with an NPC to the chagrin of much of the party. Kelly and Ahrelevant engage in a heated discussion regarding who is truly "holding the party up", during which time Jstlk notes they've had this same discussion several times throughout their campaign. Following further deliberation, Ahrelevant states Kelly is in "professional victim mode", to which Kelly calls him a cunt. Ahrelevant proceeds to berate Kelly for seemingly holding up the party repeatedly while they are on a short window to play, and describes her as "one of the most inconsiderate people he has ever met in his entire life". Kelly becomes irate at this accusation, informs the party they agreed to "10 minutes of roleplay time" during every rest, and places blame on Ahrelevant for attempting to inhibit her playstyle. Jstlk and Ahrelevant state they did not agree to the "10 minutes of roleplay time rule", and that they were merely trying to speed through as Wolfgand had to depart in forty-minutes.

As the party attempts to continue on with the campaign, Kelly takes the opportunity to respond to messages in chat disparaging her. The party attempts to ignore Kelly as she does this, but following her decision to stop moving her character, they are forced to confront her. Jstlk suggests Kelly should leave the party, to which Kelly refuses and eventually continues her debate regarding "roleplaying-time" once more. Jstlk reemphasizes he simply wanted to speed through this particular session until a stopping point was reached, given the short time available for certain party members to play. He explains that Kelly has repeatedly ignored this wish, and is being inconsiderate. Kelly then explains she interacted with the NPC in order to aid them in their next fight, and Jstlk is going against the aforementioned "10-minutes of roleplay time" rule. Jstlk reiterates they never agreed to such a rule, Ahrelevant accuses Kelly of lying, and Kelly slams her mouse repeatedly in response.

Kelly becomes quite emotional, arguing that her fellow party members have repeatedly insulted and mocked her in front of hundreds of other people whenever she stepped out of line. Wolfgand then explains the concept of establishing boundaries and communication, and informs Kelly that he and Jstlk will handle any harsh messages from the chatroom. Wolfgand then explains despite the prior conflict, he and Jstlk do indeed want to play with Kelly, and offer to set aside some time prior to their next session to discuss each party member's boundaries further. Jstlk chimes in, explaining to Kelly that they are friends, and the only reason he is in this campaign still despite the aforementioned misgivings, is because of that. As the discussion on boundaries continues, Kelly eventually calms down, agrees to have a discussion on session boundaries later, and moves her character once more.

Chaiery Drama, Baldur's gate campaign ends

Kelly accusing Chaiery of saying she makes up health issues and is narcissistic.

On June 4, 2024, Kelly was allegedly "inconsiderate" to Wolfgand in the Baldur's Gate group chat. She had then brought that disagreement to Jstlk's general chat, and eventually claimed she could not come on stream due to medical issues. While the conflict was initially contained within the chatroom, it eventually migrated to Jstlk's stream following Chaiery's claim that "narcissistic white women (referring to Kelly) always tend to have health issues as soon as they are held accountable for something or criticized". Kelly joined following this claim, and engaged in a very heated discussion for fifty minutes. Following this argument, Chaiery allegedly received several responses from Kelly in the discord's general chat regarding her desire to consume Chaiery's miscarriage

Highlights from this argument, and it's subsequent fallout include:

• Kelly initially joining the stream
• Kelly questioning how a black individual like Chaiery can be so "boring"
• "mmmm miscarriage, yummy yummy soup... and you don't deserve kids haha unlucky bitch"
• Kelly refers to Chaiery as a "white blood cell"
• Kelly accuses Chaiery of being a "cum dumpster", and suggests she go "swim in it". To which Chaiery remarks that she is trying to make a baby, and "likes cum". Kelly retorts: "So much cum and no babies, maybe it's the universe trying to tell you something."
• Kelly informs Chaiery that she wishes she never has kids, given the fact that she's a "miserable and inhospitable" person.
• Kelly arguing she is justified in mocking Chaiery's health issues, claiming her miscarriage was a "clump of cells", and nobody should "give a fuck" given the deceased status of the fetus.
• Discord logs following the altercation
• Chaiery recounting her experience with her miscarriage

Ahrelevant joins the call following Chaiery's departure, further extending the debate on Kelly's behavior. During their discussion, Ahrelevant claims Kelly treated Chaiery unjustly, accuses Kelly of being narcissistic, and argues Kelly was racist towards Chaiery. Kelly responds, maintaining she was justified in all her aforementioned statements given Chaiery's disparaging remarks towards her personal health and personality.

Messages between Kelly and Jstlk

One day following this conversation, Jstlk has a conversation with Wolfgand and Chaiery. Wolfgand discusses his disgust with Kelly's behavior during their Baldur's Gate campaign, and her behavior during her conversation with Chaiery. Wolfgand proceeds to describe how Kelly has been routinely messaging her regarding this drama despite his continued dismissal of her, and argues much of the drama Kelly has been involved in could have been avoided if it was handled off-stream. That same day, Chaiery would appear on Jstlk's stream to recount her experience with her miscarriage, and express how hurtful Kelly's comments were.

Kelly leaves Jstlk's server, attempts to blackmail Jstlk

Following her argument with Kelly, Jstlk attempted to resolve the situation by instituting a restriction preventing Kelly and Chaiery from appearing on stream together. While Chaiery was amicable to the resolution, Kelly was not. After several heated exchanges with Jstlk's discord community, Kelly eventually left the server.

Shortly after her departure from Jstlk's server, Kelly sent direct messages to Jstlk threatening to "drop all information [she] know[s] that [he has] told [her]" if Jstlk were to continue to "shit talk or allow shit talk about [her]," and suggest "cleaning up the discord." Jstlk responds, suggesting Kelly "just leak everything", and proceeds to block her.

Destiny reacts to the drama

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This ESCALATED Into The Most Personal And Unhinged Drama Ever

On June 17, 2024 Destiny reacted to the drama in its entirety using a post by reddit user Knorps as a guide With regards to the Baldur's Gate drama and Kelly's behavior, Destiny argues a session zero should have been held so the players could determine "goals" of the campaign and whether any individuals playstyle's would conflict with others.

On the critical comments made by both parties, Destiny argued Kelly's criticism of Chaiery being "boring" despite being black was justified given Chaiery's comments on Kelly's own race. However, Destiny maintains that Kelly's comments regarding Chaiery's miscarriage and her body being "inhospitable" were entirely unjustified, and was a disproportionate response to Chaiery's mocking of Kelly's health issues. Destiny went on to argue that Kelly exhibited manipulative traits throughout the conversation, and was seemingly attempting to engage in radical-feminist level arguments against Chaiery's womanhood.

During Destiny's reaction, he defined the term Second Meeting, wherein a disgruntled employee/on-stream guest attempts to "massage" their reputation in areas off-stream following an appearance that may have been poorly received by the broader audience. Destiny explains how Kelly engaged in such behavior by refusing to come on Jstlk's stream during this drama, despite her continued desire to send messages pertaining to the drama in the discord general chat. Destiny would go on to offer praise to Jstlk for seemingly "forcing" Kelly to exit the "second meeting" and enter the "first meeting" occuring on stream by temporarily shutting down the discord general chat. Destiny concludes his initial reaction by stating that Kelly likely has a "compulsion" around reputation.

Initial Reaction Highlights

2:06 Destiny begins reacting to the Baldur's Gate clips. Seeing the conflict rife throughout the party, Destiny argues the group would have benefited from a session zero. 34:44 Destiny begins reacting to the argument Kelly had with Chaiery. Destiny receives a direct message pertaining to the drama, informing him that Chaiery's comments were prompted by Kelly being "inconsiderate" to Wolfgand in the Baldur's Gate group chat, followed by her bringing that fight to Jstlk's general chat, and concluding with Kelly claiming she could not come on stream due to medical issues. 38:14 Destiny reacts to the "miscarriage soup" comment. 45:03 Following Kelly claiming in a vod that Chaiery has besmirched her husband to Destiny, Destiny denies this. 48:18 Destiny argues Kelly bringing up Chaiery's miscarriage is a "severe escalation to some of the most dire insults you could make against a person". A chatter then likens Kelly's behavior to Destiny's, during a recent drama involving Ludwig. Destiny takes issue with this, and argues while he chose a poor target to direct his insults towards, the insults were proportional to the ones levied at him. 52:35 Destiny explains the concept of "second meetings", where an "antagonistic employee" gets together with other disgruntled employees to discuss the "real" problems, yet chooses to never bring those problems up to the broader group. Destiny goes on to explain this is how "anti-fan" groups are typically formed, and that Lav and Kelly have seemingly engaged in this behavior. Destiny goes on to offer praise to Jstlk for seemingly halting a "second meeting" spearheaded by Kelly from occurring in his general chat. 55:12 Destiny critiques Kelly for attempting to keep the conversation private in some areas and public in others. 55:59 Destiny argues he can see the "kelly manipulator thing" play out in real time following her attempts to compare her health issues to Chaiery's. Destiny goes on to describe the concept of "discord queens", and how Kelly has seemingly exhibited such behavior. Destiny further argues that Kelly's comments regarding Chaiery's miscarriage and her body being "inhospitable", are seemingly "rad-fem" arguments meant to hit at the core of Chaiery's womanhood. 1:05:13 Destiny argues Kelly's comment regarding Chaiery being boring despite being black was justified given that Chaiery levied an attack against Kelly's race first. 1:19:21 Following a chatter's inquiry, Destiny explains why Kelly's comments regarding wishing to consume Chaiery's miscarriage are hurtful. 1:26:04 Destiny likens Kelly's behavior during this drama to her behavior during a separate altercation which occured on his stream. 1:38:43 Destiny describes reputation "massaging" in other communities. 1:41:15 Destiny states Kelly has a "compulsion" around reputation.

Upon completing his initial reaction, a chatter informs Destiny that Kelly has leaked logs wherein Jstlk allegedly disparaged Destiny to other individuals. Destiny replies that he is aware of the two grievances Jstlk holds against him, one regarding groyper allegations and another pertaining to a confrontation relating to the Anything Else podcast. On the groyper allegations, Destiny confesses he is unsure what to make of it, as he thought it was well-known that Jstlk was a former Fuentes fan. With regards to the Anything Else confrontation, Destiny pleads ignorance to this, as he recalls admitting Jstlk's criticisms were justified during the dispute.

Destiny discusses the drama with Kelly Jean and others

Several friends of the stream eventually joined the call including Kelly, Jstlk, Wolfgand, 4THOT, and Wickedsupreme. The first individual to appear is Kelly, she asks if her primary fault during the conversation was levying disproportionate insults towards Chaiery, or going "too far" in some instances. Destiny informs Kelly that she knows exactly what she did, and should stop attempting to "plead ignorance". Destiny further argues that her actions following making the "miscarriage comments"(i.e. diverting away/attempting to downplay the insult) show she is aware of the severity of her remarks towards Chaiery. Kelly then points to a time when Destiny mocked another individual's inability to produce a child. Destiny argues he was justified in doing so as that individual had told him he should have aborted his child, furthermore, Destiny points out he never attempted to "take away from the sting" of his argument as Kelly is doing so now.

The conversation continues, and Kelly discusses how "antifan sentiment" towards Destiny was her primary reason for leaving Jstlk's server. She discusses how Jstlk's comments regarding "hating" Destiny, thinking Destiny is a shit person, and her arguments with Chaiery(whom Kelly dubbed to be another "antifan"), were the primary reasons for her leaving the server. Destiny expresses his skepticism with Kelly's remarks, arguing that Kelly spends time in communities that hate him (i.e. spicy chat), and only left the server following her dispute with Chaiery(and not the aforementioned logs disparaging him). Destiny then requests that Kelly refrain from acting like she's doing him a favor by leaving Jstlk's discord, and reiterates the motivating factor for her departure from the server was her dispute with Chaiery. Destiny also makes mention that Kelly remained in the server for some time despite Chaiery's supposed "antifan" status.

Kelly brings up Destiny's prior remarks on Second Meetings, and argues there would be no point in her participating in one as the majority of people don't like her anyways. Destiny takes issue with this, highlighting that Kelly does indeed talk in several servers, spends much time doing "reputation rehab", and despite having haters in several places, still has friends and is not universally disliked in all servers. Kelly then explains why she performs this "reputation rehab", arguing she is simply responding to individuals pinging her on servers. Destiny questions why Kelly does not turn off pings, Kelly responds that she has in some places, to which Destiny criticizes Kelly for giving a non-answer. The two then discuss Kelly's performing "reputation rehab" in other servers following her fallout with Jstlk for some time.

As the conversation progresses, Kelly argues that Chaiery was the one who initially brought up her miscarriage as a "shield". Destiny accuses Kelly of "kellysplaining" and provides the full recounting:

"You called her crazy or you accused her of being my cum-dumpster, or she was being crazy because of me. And she brought up a whole bunch of other things that were going on in her life at the time, one of which was the miscarriage. Then you decided to go in on making fun of the "inhospitality" of her body... the fact that her body could not be... occupied by a baby." -Destiny

Following this recounting, Kelly maintains she was justified in using Chaiery's miscarriage as an insult as Chaiery brought it up first.

Jstlk eventually joins the call, and accuses Kelly of attempting to "nuke" his relationship with Destiny over one disagreement.Throughout this segment of the conversation, Kelly reiterates her prior points regarding not feeling comfortable within a server full of "antifans", expsresses her uncomfortability with Jstlk "monetizing" Destiny, and argues she was justified in "leaking" Jstlk's disparaging logs towards Destiny given that Jstlk "forced her hand" following leaking their final messages with one another. Kelly also argues the logs were a "non factor" given the likelihood that Destiny would do nothing to Jstlk in response. Destiny maintains Kelly was simply being "spiteful" and "vindictive" by leaking/threatening to leak Jstlk's logs, and attempts to highlight Kelly's "abusiveness":

"I'm saying this half genuinely like if you aren't aware that you're doing this, and half for people in chat if you are dealing with abusive people, so that you can identify this in the future. You'll do something with the intention of hurting somebody and then when you get called out or caught on it, you try to appeal to like the probability of that thing working... It's like getting caught slashing someone's tires in the hope they get into an accident and die... and then you're like "yeah okay it's not like you would've gotten into a car accident"... It's a non-sequitur it's not responding to the point, and it's trivializing your behavior, and it's trying to hide the motivation for your behavior and what you're trying to accomplish." -Destiny arguing why he feels Kelly's behavior is abusive.

Destiny also points out that Kelly's decision to stay in Jstlk's server when it was inhabited by known antifans like Lav, contradicts her earlier assertion about leaving the server because of antifans. Destiny further remarks that Kelly herself has engaged in "antifan" behavior herself, pointing to her aforementioned use of "white blood cells"(a phrase coined by notorious antifan MrGirl). Jstlk adds that Kelly seemingly echoed Lav's sentiment regarding Destiny's "fetish" of pitting women against each other on his stream.

The conversation regarding Kelly's overall behavior, goals in leaking Jstlk's logs, and reasons for departing Jstlk's server continues for quite some time as more friends of the stream choose to join the call. Dan eventually joins the conversation, seemingly eager to shit stir, he asks for Kelly to give her full reconciliation of the conversation. Further discussion on Kelly's behavior and whether she sought to tarnish Jstlk's reputation with Destiny occurs, until 4THOT eventually joins the stream. Upon 4THOT's arrival, the conversation takes a turn as Jstlk and 4THOT air their respective grievances with one another. Upon the conclusion of this conversation, Wolfgand joins, argues Kelly was manipulative and selfish throughout this entire ordeal, and rehashes much of the prior arguments regarding Kelly's behavior and goals in leaking Jstlk's messages. Before the stream can conclude, WickedSupreme eventually joins, discusses how this drama mirrors a similar disagreement he had with Kelly wherein she leaked logs of his. WickedSupreme goes on to discusses how Kelly demanded individuals who informed him of this behavior to "turn out their pockets" and screenshot their own messages to him. The conversation eventually concludes as Destiny once again questions how Kelly was so tolerant of Lav's antifanning, pointing to Lav's creation of several discord servers who's goal was to spread personal pictures/videos of himself. Destiny questions if Kelly was aware of this, upon Kelly's hesitation to respond, Destiny concludes she was aware and ends the conversation.

Highlights

Proportionality of insults and pleading ignorance 1:44:51 Kelly joins the stream. Destiny discusses the proportionality of Kelly's response with her, and his belief that Kelly "knew exactly what [she] was doing". 1:46:44 Destiny argues Kelly cannot attempt to make arguments regarding why the miscarriage comment isn't that bad, while simultaneously conceding that the comment was harsh. 1:47:26 Kelly brings up a time where Destiny mocked another individual's inability to give birth. Destiny argues that he was justified in making that particular insult because the individual had told him he should have aborted his child. Destiny further argues he never attempted to "take away from the sting" of his insults as Kelly is doing so now. Why Kelly Left Jstlk's server 1:48:48 Kelly discusses her reasons for leaving Jstlk's server, primarily concerning antifan sentiment towards Destiny. Kelly proceeds to bring up that Jstlk hates Destiny, thinks he's a shit person, and the Chaiery argument was her final straw. Destiny informs Kelly he does not believe any of this, arguing he has seen her in places that are known anti-fan havens such as "spicy chat". 1:51:23 Kelly informs Destiny once more that she left Jstlk's server following his "shit talking" of Destiny, pointing to the logs she had aparantly direct messaged him. Destiny counters, arguing if these logs were the true reason she left the server, she would have left immediately following their release instead of after her dispute with Chaiery. 1:53:30 Destiny asks Kelly why she can't just say she wanted to leave because she felt she was being treated unfairly. Kelly discusses Second meetings 1:55:33 Kelly remarks that Destiny had much to say regarding "second meetings", and argues there would be no point in her doing so given that the majority of people don't like her anyways. Destiny takes issue, and accuses Kelly of gaslighting him. Kelly further argues she is simply responding to "pings" on servers, to which Destiny questions if Kelly is a robot and asks why she does not simply just turn off ping notifications. Kelly argues she has in some places, to which Destiny criticizes Kelly for giving a non-answer. 1:59:11 Destiny questions if Kelly is having long/drawn-out conversations on discord regarding this situation, or offering brief responses when pinged. Kelly asserts that she only offered brief responses to messages pinging her, and therefore could not be construed as performing any "reputation rehab". Destiny then questions if this is true, and asks his chat to provide him with evidence of Kelly responding on any discords. Lacking any drawn-out logs or evidence, the conversation continues. Why did Kelly bring the Baldur's Gate drama to the public 2:03:36 Destiny relays a question from a chatter: "Why did you bring up a private Baldur's gate issue to a public discord." Kelly explains, stating that Wolfgand left the group chat, didn't respond to her direct messages, and she got salty and brought the dispute to a public chat room. Proportionality part 2 2:04:42 Destiny and Kelly discuss escalation with regards to insults in conversations once more. Kelly argues she was justified in her escalation, given that the insult was within the same category of those Chaiery levied at herself. 2:05:53 Kelly claims she did not initially bring up Chaiery's miscarriage. Destiny disagrees, and provides a recounting of the events. Other join the stream 2:10:31 Jstlk joins. 2:15:19 Destiny provides another recounting of Kelly's reasons for leaving Jstlk's server. Destiny reiterates that Kelly attempted to "hurt" Jstlk following her departure from his server. 2:18:25 Jstlk provides the conditions for Kelly being on stream: She apologizes for the miscarriage comments, or she could have two nights of every three, and Chaiery could have the third night to appear on stream. 2:19:58 Destiny argues as soon as someone threatens to begin "leaking logs", the person being threatened has carte-blanche to go on the offensive and do reputation protection. 2:21:41 Kelly asks if "there's a single reality where anything [she's] saying can be true". Destiny replies that there is not, and he has already given his reasons yet she has not responded to them. The two debate Kelly's presence in "antifan" communities for some time. 2:24:45 Destiny criticizes Kelly for her "while blood cell" comment, and remarks it originated from a major "anti fan" MrGirl. 2:33:55 Jstlk explains why he let Lav back into his server. 2:37:16 Jstlk denies ever "perpetually" shitting on Destiny. 2:38:24 Destiny explains why Kelly is being abusive. 2:41:57 Jstlk provides his defense over the Anything else drama, and his subsequent logs pertaining to it. Jstlk argues he was emotional after losing his youtube channel and the income associated with it. 2:44:48 Kelly argues she was forced to leak Jstlk's messages following his decision to "go public" with their final messages. 3:02:58 Destiny discusses the circumstances around his unbanning of Lav. 3:04:25 Destiny discusses how Kelly remained in Jstlk's server despite the presence of Kuihman, a known antifan. 3:07:50 Kelly requests for Destiny to steelman her argument. Destiny confesses he is unable to do so, citing an inability to decipher what the strongest version of Kelly's argument looks like. Destiny goes on to argue that Kelly is "alluding to the probability of outcomes" in order to escape any blame, he then likens this to something Lav would do. 3:20:04 Kelly asks what she would have to say to change Destiny's mind. Destiny laters argues that Kelly herself engaged in anti-fan behavior when she made mention of Chaiery being his "cumdumpster". Kelly replies that she fails to see how this was a slight towards Destiny. 3:31:40 Destiny explains why he doesn't believe Kelly left the server because of antifans. 3:37:33 Destiny ridicules Kelly's behavior and argues her actions were malicious in nature. 3:43:24 Destiny finds out Lav is still in Jstlk's server. 4:05:13 Dan joins the stream and shit stirs. 4:18:00 4THOT joins the stream and discusses his grievances with both Kelly and Jstlk. 4:46:56 Wolfgand joins the stream and discusses his grievances with Kelly. 5:19:43 Wickedsupreme joins the stream, discusses how this drama mirrors a similar disagreement he had with Kelly, and highlights his uncomfortability with Kelly's behavior throughout the ordeal. 6:14:11 Destiny once again questions how Kelly was so tolerant of Lav's antifanning. Destiny points to Lav's creation of several discord servers who's goal was to spread personal pictures/videos of himself. Destiny questions if Kelly was aware of this, upon Kelly's hesitation to respond, Destiny concludes she was aware and ends the conversation.

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