Hasan and Destiny Break Up Over Kamala Misinformation: Difference between revisions
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Hasan argues that Harris should have sought other ways to bolster individuals in her district that did not involve criminal prosecution. | Hasan argues that Harris should have sought other ways to bolster individuals and address socioeconomic issues in her district that did not involve criminal prosecution. | ||
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* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=1042 17:22] Hasan begins his claim. | * [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=1042 17:22] Hasan begins his claim. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=2984 49:44] Hasan argues Harris should have sought to fix socioeconomic problems instead of being a "draconian prosecutor". | |||
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* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=2331 38:51] Destiny argues that Kamala did what she could within the purview of her position. | * [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=2331 38:51] Destiny argues that Kamala did what she could within the purview of her position. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=2465 41:05] A chatter argues that Harris attempted to address issues outside her purview as a DA. Destiny explains that the actions Harris took were completely within her purview as a DA, arguing that she was attempting to "make her city a safer place". Destiny further argues that Harris managing her police force in a manner that contributed to more kids going to school was "not the worst thing in the world". | * [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=2465 41:05] A chatter argues that Harris attempted to address issues outside her purview as a DA. Destiny explains that the actions Harris took were completely within her purview as a DA, arguing that she was attempting to "make her city a safer place". Destiny further argues that Harris managing her police force in a manner that contributed to more kids going to school was "not the worst thing in the world". | ||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=3012 50:12] Upon hearing Hasan's argument that Harris should have sought way to fix socioeconomic opportunities, Destiny expresses his confusion arguing that fixing said issues were not within the purview of her job as a DA. | |||
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Destiny reiterates his disdain for statements such as "abolish all prisons", "getting rid of all police", and "all cops are bad", arguing such unproductive statements seem to be prevalent in much left-leaning rhetoric surrounding crime and police officers. Destiny further argues that there is "two sides to the issue" and "some level of crime that [must be] addressed". Before Destiny can continue his list of bad-faith claims made in the video, Hasan eventually joins the call. | |||
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* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=2362 39:22] A chatter quotes MLK's "white moderate" speech to Destiny, and accuses him of pushing "cop apologia". Following this, Destiny discusses how "nobody wants to do anything ever", and states that he empathizes with the difficulties of politicians like Harris in trying to effect change within their means. | * [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=2362 39:22] A chatter quotes MLK's "white moderate" speech to Destiny, and accuses him of pushing "cop apologia". Following this, Destiny discusses how "nobody wants to do anything ever", and states that he empathizes with the difficulties of politicians like Harris in trying to effect change within their means. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=2465 41:05] A chatter argues that Harris attempted to address issues outside her purview as a DA. Destiny explains that the actions Harris took were completely within her purview as a DA, arguing that she was attempting to "make her city a safer place". Destiny further argues that Harris managing her police force in a manner that contributed to more kids going to school was "not the worst thing in the world". | * [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=2465 41:05] A chatter argues that Harris attempted to address issues outside her purview as a DA. Destiny explains that the actions Harris took were completely within her purview as a DA, arguing that she was attempting to "make her city a safer place". Destiny further argues that Harris managing her police force in a manner that contributed to more kids going to school was "not the worst thing in the world". | ||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=2530 42:10] Destiny explains why he's become increasingly sympathetic towards policy makers. Destiny provides the US intervening in foreign conflicts as an example. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=2663 44:23] Destiny provides a hypothetical where US interventionism may be justified. Destiny goes on to discuss the potential for influence vacuums if the US does not intervene in certain global conflicts. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=2805 46:45] Destiny discusses his evolving view with regards to US interventionism and the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Destiny describes how he was once in support of abandoning the agreement, but now he feels the loss of various protections, and the bolstering of China on the world-stage as the US became more isolated, was not ideal. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=3042 50:42] Destiny discuses his disdain for anti-cop rhetoric, and the lack of consideration for "both sides" with regards to criminal issues. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=3076 51:16] Hasan joins the stream. | * [https://youtu.be/hLfAuWe3xho?t=3076 51:16] Hasan joins the stream. | ||
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Revision as of 15:27, 20 August 2024
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On July 9, 2019 Destiny and Hasan had a very heated discussion regarding American politician Kamala Harris, leading to their first major fallout. [1] Following their onstream "breakup", both streamers created reddit threads regarding their takeaways from the discussion, and ultimately cut ties with one another for some time.
Destiny discusses Hasan's "You don't want Kopmala Harris" video. WIP
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Kamala is cool: 16% Lukewarm on Kamala: 60% Hate Kamala: 24% |
Kamala is cool: 9% Lukewarm on Kamala: 43% Hate Kamala: 48% |
This discussion arose following Destiny's viewing of "You Don't Want Cop-Mala Harris" on Hasan's channel. Prior to and after viewing the video, Destiny polled his audience(see right) to determine their favorability towards Harris. Following the poll's completion, Destiny found that his audience held a more disfavorable view towards Harris after viewing the video. Upon seeing the results, Destiny explains that he fact-checked every claim by Hasan made in the video, and ultimately concluded that Hasan was wrong in several instances and may have even created the video in bad faith. Destiny went on to chide Hasan for erroneously spreading disinformation about a potential democratic candidate during an election year.
Destiny provides the following examples of bad faith critiques made by Hasan throughout the video:
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ICE | Hasan claims that Kamala supported a law in 2008 that forced schools to turn over undocumented students to ICE.
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Destiny explains that while he could find no information regarding the specific law Hasan is referring to, he was able to find information regarding a law established in that same year which allowed for illegal immigrants charged with a crime to be referred to ICE. Destiny goes on to explain that the law originated following an illegal immigrant being charged with the murder of three individuals, and that Kamala has recently stated that she regrets supporting the law. A chatter later asks if Destiny thinks this video is worse than any others critiquing Harris, given that Kamala is one of the "weirdest" areas of left-wing extreme bias. Destiny replies that it's not weird at all if one takes into account that people on the left hate cops, and that Hasan's video could be boiled down to "I really hate cops".
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Truancy policy | Hasan claims that Harris instituted a harsh, punitive, and dehumanizing truancy policy towards low income and single-parent families which involved "Lock[ing] innocent black mothers up for truancy". Hasan goes on to claim that Harris incarcerated a single, homeless mother of three working two jobs because her children were truants, and then touted it as a success story. Hasan went on to critique Harris for sending a "gestapo force" of intimidating officers(like homicide and gang detectives) to "scare the shit out of a homeless mother of three" into ensuring her children attended school.
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Destiny argues that while he remains unsure whether Harris' policy was a net good or bad, Hasan's framing of the policy(that Kamala was sending a "gestapo force" to bully homeless women into sending their children to school) was overtly negative, unfairly framed, and did not accurately represent the intent or outcomes of the policy. Destiny pointed out that Harris's policy was intended to address a real issue—truancy—which is linked to higher rates of criminal behavior and poor outcomes for children. He argued that Harris's use of legal pressure was a way to compel parents to take their children's education seriously and to connect them with resources that could help improve school attendance. Destiny maintains that this is a positive, albeit potentially harsh, intervention, rather than a draconian measure as Hasan implied.
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Should Kamala have addressed the issues differently? |
Hasan argues that Harris should have sought other ways to bolster individuals and address socioeconomic issues in her district that did not involve criminal prosecution.
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Destiny argues that as a District Attorney, Harris's primary responsibilities included law enforcement and public safety, and therefore, it was natural for her to use those tools to address issues like truancy. Destiny further argued that Harris did not have the the power to create social programs, allocate financial incentives, or directly address broader socio-economic issues. Destiny maintains that Harris's role was limited to enforcing the law and using legal measures to address problems within her jurisdiction. Destiny felt that Hasan's criticism did not fully account for these limitations, and that Hasan unfairly blamed Harris for not pursuing solutions that were beyond her control as a DA.
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Destiny spends the next hour of his stream fielding questions from his chat and expressing his overall disappointment with individuals in DGG defending Hasan's seemingly unfair position towards Harris, as well as Hasan himself for disseminating such misinformation. Throughout this portion of the stream, Destiny makes clear his regret towards previously making "blanket statements of hate" towards police officers, argues similar statements are a really poor way of making evaluations, and reiterates that Hasan's video could be boiled down to "I really hate cops".
Destiny reiterates his disdain for statements such as "abolish all prisons", "getting rid of all police", and "all cops are bad", arguing such unproductive statements seem to be prevalent in much left-leaning rhetoric surrounding crime and police officers. Destiny further argues that there is "two sides to the issue" and "some level of crime that [must be] addressed". Before Destiny can continue his list of bad-faith claims made in the video, Hasan eventually joins the call.
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Hasan joins the stream
Destiny and Hasan create reddit threads following the debate WIP
https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/cbdj2w/on_bootyjudge/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/cayg1e/if_destiny_wants_to_remain_morally_consistent_he/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/cgsvav/effort_post_rdestiny_v_rhasan_piker_hate_threads/
Hasanabi And Destiny BREAK UP Aftermath, Hasan types in dgg chat while Destiny discusses their breakup WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCsvkP_sVQw
- ↑ Destiny. (2019, July 9). Hasanabi And Destiny BREAK UP Over Kamala Misinformation. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLfAuWe3xho
- ↑ The image provided is a screenshot of Destiny posting the strawpoll to members of his chat. Following the closure of strawpoll.me, the links Destiny provided in these logs are now broken.
- ↑ Media:HasanDestinyKamalaChatterban.jpg