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{{ | With regards to racial slurs in general, Destiny is of the position that if any use of such language causes harm, society should work to discourage all instances of it, regardless of the speaker's identity or context. He contends that allowing "in-group" members to use slurs while condemning their use by others creates a contradictory standard that complicates efforts to eliminate the harm associated with these words. <ref> Destiny. (2021, March 31). N-Word Debate Sidetracks Into Incest Topic... YouTube. https://youtu.be/vfCGMAcqxb4?t=89 </ref> | ||
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|'''Use of slurs in private''' | |||
| {{disambiguation |Main Article: [https://wiki.destiny.gg/view/%22I%27ve_never_been_more_gaslit_in_my_entire_life...%22_-_Destiny_Debate_ft._Hasanabi,_TheSerfsTV,_%26_More "I've never been more gaslit in my entire life..." - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More]}} On October 22, 2019 Destiny participated in a political panel hosted by [[MindWaves]]. The panel featured [[Hasan_Piker|Hasan Piker]], [[TheSerfsTV]](AKA Lance), [[Pxie]], [[Ahrelevant]], [[Bastiat]], [[Kormantine]] and [[Cole James Cash]].<ref> Destiny. (2019, October 27). “I’ve never been more gaslit in my entire life...” - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hodq77NShaA </ref> <ref> MindWavesTV. (2019, November 3). Big Brain Podcast Ep. 11 ft. Destiny, Hasan Piker, The Serfs, ActualJake, Cole James Cash & more. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHkH9TthrmU </ref> | |||
During the panel, Destiny argues that if one is not racist, is in a private setting, and is among individuals they know are not racist, making edgy jokes for shock value does not necessarily make them racist. Destiny posits a healthy engagement with such edgy-jokes is possible, much like it is possible for individuals to engage in violent video games without becoming violent themselves.<ref>Destiny states his stance on the slur in private. Destiny. (2019, October 27). “I’ve never been more gaslit in my entire life...” - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More. YouTube. https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=2764 </ref> | |||
Throughout the podcast, several of Destiny's fellow panelists question why Destiny would make his stance on edgy language in private known to the public. They argue stating as much would negatively influence individuals who would otherwise be unable to separate the "shock-value" element of such humor from the "racial-element", and thereby causing these individuals to become racist. <ref>Kormantine questions Destiny making his stance known to the public. Destiny. (2019, October 27). “I’ve never been more gaslit in my entire life...” - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More. YouTube. https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=2713</ref><ref> Pxie questions Destiny making his stance known to the public. Destiny. (2019, October 27). “I’ve never been more gaslit in my entire life...” - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More. YouTube. https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=1970 </ref> In response, Destiny contends that individuals in his audience who consume the array of progressive-orientated and inclusive topics he typically discusses, would not typically fall in the category of individuals taking such jokes beyond their shock value.<ref>Destiny explains why his left-leaning audience would be able to have a healthy engagement with racially charged jokes. Destiny. (2019, October 27). “I’ve never been more gaslit in my entire life...” - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More. YouTube. https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=3031 </ref> | |||
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|'''Formal debate on slurs''' | |||
|On April 1, 2021, Destiny participated in a formal debate on the word "Nigger" with {{wiki|Harvard}} grad political strategist [https://ballotpedia.org/Gion_Thomas Gion Thomas].<ref> Destiny. (2021, March 31). N-Word Debate Sidetracks Into Incest Topic... YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfCGMAcqxb4 </ref> During the discussion, Destiny argues that difficult conversations about slurs are necessary, and should include directly using the terms to address the full weight of the topics.<ref>[https://youtu.be/vfCGMAcqxb4?t=703 Formal debate timestamp 1]</ref> Destiny goes on to discuss his belief that context plays a crucial role in how offensive terms are perceived. He points to movies like {{wiki|Django_Unchained|Django Unchained}}, where racial slurs are used to depict historical hostility rather than normalize the terms in everyday conversation.<ref>[https://youtu.be/vfCGMAcqxb4?t=432 Formal debate timestamp 2]</ref> | |||
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|''' Discussion with Lex Fridman''' | |||
| On November 11, 2022, Destiny discusses his position on using slurs with {{wiki|Lex_Fridman|Lex Fridman}}. During the conversation, Destiny argues that using slurs, in context, is sometimes necessary for conversations about the word itself.<ref>[https://youtu.be/awtJtyrKeyQ?t=9 Fridman debate, timestamp 1]</ref> He explains that when not used in a derogatory manner, usage of the slur can be used to confront its impact directly. Destiny goes on to explain that banning such words outright doesn’t address the underlying issues of hate but potentially stifles dialogue. <ref>[https://youtu.be/awtJtyrKeyQ?t=128 Fridman debate timestamp 2]</ref> | |||
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Revision as of 15:01, 1 November 2024
With regards to racial slurs in general, Destiny is of the position that if any use of such language causes harm, society should work to discourage all instances of it, regardless of the speaker's identity or context. He contends that allowing "in-group" members to use slurs while condemning their use by others creates a contradictory standard that complicates efforts to eliminate the harm associated with these words. [1]
Discussions
| Topic | Summary | Video |
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| Use of slurs in private |
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On October 22, 2019 Destiny participated in a political panel hosted by MindWaves. The panel featured Hasan Piker, TheSerfsTV(AKA Lance), Pxie, Ahrelevant, Bastiat, Kormantine and Cole James Cash.[2] [3]
During the panel, Destiny argues that if one is not racist, is in a private setting, and is among individuals they know are not racist, making edgy jokes for shock value does not necessarily make them racist. Destiny posits a healthy engagement with such edgy-jokes is possible, much like it is possible for individuals to engage in violent video games without becoming violent themselves.[4]
Throughout the podcast, several of Destiny's fellow panelists question why Destiny would make his stance on edgy language in private known to the public. They argue stating as much would negatively influence individuals who would otherwise be unable to separate the "shock-value" element of such humor from the "racial-element", and thereby causing these individuals to become racist. [5][6] In response, Destiny contends that individuals in his audience who consume the array of progressive-orientated and inclusive topics he typically discusses, would not typically fall in the category of individuals taking such jokes beyond their shock value.[7]
Formal debate on slurs
On April 1, 2021, Destiny participated in a formal debate on the word "Nigger" with Harvard 
grad political strategist Gion Thomas.[8] During the discussion, Destiny argues that difficult conversations about slurs are necessary, and should include directly using the terms to address the full weight of the topics.[9] Destiny goes on to discuss his belief that context plays a crucial role in how offensive terms are perceived. He points to movies like Django Unchained , where racial slurs are used to depict historical hostility rather than normalize the terms in everyday conversation.[10]
Discussion with Lex Fridman
On November 11, 2022, Destiny discusses his position on using slurs with Lex Fridman . During the conversation, Destiny argues that using slurs, in context, is sometimes necessary for conversations about the word itself.[11] He explains that when not used in a derogatory manner, usage of the slur can be used to confront its impact directly. Destiny goes on to explain that banning such words outright doesn’t address the underlying issues of hate but potentially stifles dialogue. [12]
No Jumper podcast
References
- ↑ Destiny. (2021, March 31). N-Word Debate Sidetracks Into Incest Topic... YouTube. https://youtu.be/vfCGMAcqxb4?t=89
- ↑ Destiny. (2019, October 27). “I’ve never been more gaslit in my entire life...” - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hodq77NShaA
- ↑ MindWavesTV. (2019, November 3). Big Brain Podcast Ep. 11 ft. Destiny, Hasan Piker, The Serfs, ActualJake, Cole James Cash & more. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHkH9TthrmU
- ↑ Destiny states his stance on the slur in private. Destiny. (2019, October 27). “I’ve never been more gaslit in my entire life...” - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More. YouTube. https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=2764
- ↑ Kormantine questions Destiny making his stance known to the public. Destiny. (2019, October 27). “I’ve never been more gaslit in my entire life...” - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More. YouTube. https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=2713
- ↑ Pxie questions Destiny making his stance known to the public. Destiny. (2019, October 27). “I’ve never been more gaslit in my entire life...” - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More. YouTube. https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=1970
- ↑ Destiny explains why his left-leaning audience would be able to have a healthy engagement with racially charged jokes. Destiny. (2019, October 27). “I’ve never been more gaslit in my entire life...” - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More. YouTube. https://youtu.be/Hodq77NShaA?t=3031
- ↑ Destiny. (2021, March 31). N-Word Debate Sidetracks Into Incest Topic... YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfCGMAcqxb4
- ↑ Formal debate timestamp 1
- ↑ Formal debate timestamp 2
- ↑ Fridman debate, timestamp 1
- ↑ Fridman debate timestamp 2