Hasan Piker
| Hasan Piker | |
.jpg) Make the rich pay. | |
| Person | |
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| Status | HasanAbi |
| Political Alignment | Progressive Left/Socialist |
| Qualifications | Political Science/Communications Degree |
| Occupation | Twitch Streamer/Political Commentator |
| Age | 32 |
| Country of origin | USA |
| Media | |
| Website | https://ideologie.shop/ |
| Hasanthehun | |
| Hasandpiker | |
| Manifolds Market | Hasan Stock |
| Other | |
| Awards |  Antagonist of the Year
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Hasan Doğan Piker (born July 25, 1991) is an American political commentator, streamer, and YouTuber. He is best known for his political commentary on the progressive news network The Young Turks and for his Twitch streaming channel, where he discusses pop politics, news headlines, and popular culture. Piker has gained a large following for his outspoken views on progressive politics and social issues.
Early life and education
Hasan Piker was born on July 25, 1991, in New Brunswick, New Jersey. He spent his early years in Turkey before moving back to the United States for college. Piker attended Rutgers University, where he earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science and communication.
Career
The Young Turks
Piker began his career as an intern at The Young Turks in 2014. He quickly rose through the ranks, becoming a producer and on-air contributor. Piker gained prominence for his "Bro Tips" show, a dating advice show.
Twitch streaming
In 2018, Piker started streaming on Twitch, where he discusses pop politics, news headlines, and popular culture. His Twitch channel, "hasanabi," has amassed a large following, making him one of the most popular political streamers on the platform. Piker's streams often feature discussions with journalists and content creators.
On stream appearances with Destiny WIP
Destiny has a pre-debate discussion with Hasan
On October 9th, 2018 Destiny engaged in a "pre-debate debate" with Hasan. This discussion was held in preparation for a future politicon appearance Hasan would have with Charlie Kirk. [1] Hasan begins the conversation cordially, praising Destiny for being "awesome," citing his "excellent" content, and expressing that he "really likes what he's about."From there, the two engage in a lighthearted conversation discussing topics such as Neoliberalism, Destiny's political background,the current political climate, and Hasan's upcoming debate with Charlie Kirk.
Destiny’s political perspective
5:03 Hasan inquires about what Destiny's political perspective is, Destiny responds that he aligns pretty closely with anyone on the left with regards to social issues. However with regards to economic policy, Destiny states he's a big fan of market forces and capitalism, and likely more closely aligns with conservatives. He tempers this by saying he's okay with a healthy amount of government intervention, to which he proclaims himself a social-democrat/neoliberal. Hasan takes issue with this, and warns Destiny against calling himself a neoliberal, citing the ideology as being a "full subscription to deny that capitalism has like any sort of faults." Destiny disagrees with this framing, and the two discuss what the true definition of Neoliberalism is. Eventually Hasan concludes that Neoliberalism is simply "anybody who looks at socialism with disdain", or wants to create hurdles for issues such as medicare for all.
Hasan’s political perspective
13:55 Hasan asserts that he is "more to the left than the majority of TYT", and that the organization is a good "gateway" to leftist politics. Hasan recommends Destiny's audience check out Chapo Trap House to look for an adequate critique of Neoliberalism. Destiny admits he is hesitant to recommend the podcast, due to their tendency to "relentlessly shit on liberals". Hasan then explains that the criticism these liberals receive is due in part to their tendency to "hold up oligarchs" and create a false narrative that "everything is fine", and that comprise can be reached with Republicans.
Hasan discusses his Facebook group
20:26 Hasan discusses a Facebook group he runs, wherein several people of varying political beliefs are members and are unified by their shared enjoyment of his streams. He goes on to discuss how the Stalinists and Neoliberals of the group tend to fight with one another, and confesses how he more closely aligns with the Stalinists who claim that "everything the United States does is bad".
Experiences with conservatives
48:13 Destiny and Hasan discuss their prior debates/experiences with conservatives. The two mention how the perceived victim complex many modern day conservatives maintain, makes them very frustrating interlocutors. At one point during this discussion, Hasan briefly mentions that he's "not on board" with an authoritarian state assertion of power despite the fact that he calls himself a socialist.
Sam Harris and Hasan’s appreciation for Destiny
1:11:37 Destiny and Hasan discuss Sam Harris, and American imperialism. Destiny expresses his uncomfortability with some of Sam's views, as he tends to "come out swinging very hard for Judeo-Christian values". Hasan echoes this sentiment, and adds that Sam tends to "otherize" Islam as being an inherently violent religion but never acknowledges the consequences of American Imperialism. Destiny agrees, and pokes fun at the double-standards which seem to be prevalent in America society, comparing the reaction to an Islamic nation going to war for Allah with the response if someone like Donald Trump declared the Bible as the most important book ever written, or Bush saying he "prays before making any decision". 1:23:52 Hasan remarks that Destiny is "doing a really important job" by debating people on the right.
= Hasan disagrees with Destiny’s perspective on the successfulness of Donald Trump as president
1:27:51 Hasan discusses a debate Destiny had, in which he doesn't fully agree with a position Destiny posited regarding the success of Donald Trump as a president. Hasan claims Trump has been incredibly successful as a Republican president because his underlying positions are just "regular fucking conservative principles". Hasan elaborates that his positions are all the "modern GOP positions" but his rhetoric is just different, and is just more appealing to his base voters. He goes on to point to things such as the Republican Tax plan, the "destruction" of the EPA", and the "destruction" of the financial protection bureau. He concludes that this is all "regular republican shit" that Trump was able to accomplish in an authoritarian fashion. Destiny responds that Trump has caused a very deep division within the Republican party, citing instances such as Trumples mocking Mccain for being a war hero making it very difficult for them to see eye-to-eye with other Republicans. Destiny then discuss how Trump fans and supporters "fucking hate" establishment Republicans, citing the tendency of these groups to trash moderate Republicans just as hard as certain left leaning groups(i.e. calling them Rhinos). Destiny concludes that he's unsure what kind of damage will happen to the party once Trump is gone, pointing to how a candidate like Rubio could have difficulty pandering to this new-extreme base.
Charlie Kirk
2:17:40 At one point while the pair are watching a PragerU video together, Charlie Kirk asserts "capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system, and that socialism always leads to poverty." Hasan pauses the video and exclaims "why would anyone make that argument, that argument is bananas." He then expresses confusion as to how Kirk can label these colleges as liberal. Hasan concludes that Kirk just wants college campuses to be more racist.
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Destiny reacts to a Politicon panel featuring Hasan and Charlie Kirk. Hasan and Destiny discuss the following day
Destiny's reaction to the Politicon Panel
On October 20, 2018 Destiny reacted to a Politicon panel featuring featuring Hasan and Charlie Kirk.[2] The primary focus of the panel was: "Whether young people should be progressives, conservatives, or perhaps something else". Destiny was mildly impressed by certain aspects of Hasan's debate performance. He appreciated Hasan's ability to challenge and critique various points, particularly in the context of discussing systemic issues and the limitations of free-market solutions. He also recognized the difficulty Hasan faced in addressing complex topics such as healthcare, education, and wealth distribution, in the face of a practiced "Gish-Galloper" such as Charlie Kirk. He did however offer a few critiques:
- Destiny suggested that Hasan could benefit from incorporating more 'scummy tactics' used in live debates, implying a need for more strategic interjections and rebuttals tailored to the format, especially facing an individual such as Charlie Kirk.
- Destiny indicated that Hasan could improve in how he handles the framing set by his opponents, particularly in redirecting or countering their narratives more effectively.
Highlights from Destiny's reaction include:
- 6:18 Highlighting a critical talking point missed by Hasan, Destiny counters an argument put forth by Charlie Kirk that "it's a good thing more individuals are off food-stamps". Destiny maintains that such an indicator is a poor barometer for the success of a nation, and that other indicators such as level of education, access to food stamps, access to healthcare, housing, and luxury goods are far better indicators of success.
- 7:43 Hasan agrees with Charlie Kirk that "we should reject socialism". Destiny pauses the video, and argues that Hasan agreeing with Kirk in this instance makes him look very weak.
- 27:37 When discussing the socialization of medical systems, Kirk mentions Lasik eye surgery and argues that the existence of insurance makes healthcare far more expensive. Realizing Kirk is regurgitating talking points from a video Destiny himself had once fallen victim to during his more right-leaning years, Destiny pulls up the video and proceeds to mock Kirk for not understanding the "elasticity" of certain services.
- 45:38 Charlie Kirk remarks that the most poor and destitute cities are owned by Democrats. Destiny pauses the video, laughs mockingly, and states that Kirk has every "fucking meme talking point". Shortly after resuming the video, Destiny pauses it once more to point out that the gish-gallop is destroying Hasan, and he cannot allow Kirk to ramble on.
- 1:05:01 After Kirk interrupts Hasan and asks for a moment to speak, Destiny remarks that he feels like Kirk has spoken quite a bit more than Hasan during this panel.
- 1:14:08 After being pushed by Kirk, Hasan shares that he only makes $60,000 a year. Hasan's uncle, Cenk Uygur, proceeds to shout at Kirk from the crowd.
Discussion with Hasan
On October 21, 2018 Destiny and Hasan had a three and a half hour long discussion regarding Hasan's recent debate experience at Politicon. [3] The conversation begins with Destiny explaining to Hasan that he did not necessarily dislike the points he attempted to convey to Kirk, but was critical of his attempts to get those points across. Hasan agreed with this sentiment, and pointed to Kirk's tactics of outright lying, Gish Galloping, moving the goalposts, and crafting messages for "applause breaks" as being very frustrating to deal with. Destiny sympathised with this, agreeing that the debate tactics employed by Kirk are very hard to deal with in real time, particularly in a live format. From there, the two discussed tactics Hasan could have employed better in the debate, their grievances with modern day conservatives, and the best methods in reaching out to a "broader" audience.
Destiny offered the following pieces of advice to Hasan:
- Dealing with Gish Galloping 10:19 : Destiny tells Hasan the best way to counter a debate opponent Gish Galloping, particularly in a live format, is to pose them questions at the end which every member of the audience would be able to identify with. Destiny goes on to provide the example of Bernie Sanders hammering home the same three talking points (1% getting richer, jobs suck, lack of affordability of healthcare). Destiny then pointedly suggests that Hasan could have posed questions like this on the back end of every one of Kirk's monologues, and that Kirk would come out looking worse for it.
- Holding Opponents Accountable 16:56: Destiny encourages Hasan to firmly challenge Kirk's controversial statements, like those suggesting Democratic policies lead to violence in Chicago.
- Refraining from Communist-like rhetoric 47:44: Hasan references a communist individual in his community, who advised him to point his arguments more towards a criticism of capitalism. Destiny tells Hasan to never listen to individuals like this. Destiny goes on to advise Hasan to take on more "nazi-rhetoric" in that he should present his ideas as "positive-things" for the benefit of the country. He compares this against communist rhetoric that tends to include phrases such as "eat the rich".
- Handling leading questions in a debate 1:42:1: Destiny informs Hasan that "whenever someone asks you a question, the reason why they're doing that is because they know what answer you're going to give, so they've already got the response prepared. Anytime you're in a debate with somebody, if they ask you a question that seems very obvious...you have to know that if you answer... they're ready to go into it."
- Neoliberalism 2:19:27: Hasan and Destiny discuss Neoliberalism. Hasan states Neoliberalism has a more "hawkish" perspective, and fails to acknowledge the failures of free market. Destiny cautions Hasan against this perspective, and jokingly suggests he already has seven Neoliberals already typing him up emails suggesting the contrary. Destiny states he has no strong stance one way or the other, but points out there are Neoliberals that seem okay and some that seem quite extreme. Hasan then jokingly suggests that "Neoliberals love getting owned", and cautions Destiny against calling himself one.
- Using Free-Market arguments against Conservatives 2:47:07: Destiny provides Hasan a "silver-fucking-bullet" to conservative hypocrisy. He points to how Conservatives tend to state the free-market will solve everything, then how these same individuals will complain when they're banned from social media platforms.
- The stock market as an indicator for prosperity 2:06:13: At one point, Hasan attempts to provide Destiny with a talking point regarding the stock market being a poor indicator for prosperity. Destiny, acknowledges this, and finishes Hasan's point stating: "oh yeah, because the average American doesn't hold a lot of securities." Destiny goes on to point to a debate with Jacob Wohl, where he made this exact argument.
- Having counterexamples on hand 3:07:53: Destiny recommends Hasan have a list of "capitalist countries that are fucking up" to counter Kirk's examples of socialist countries performing poorly. Hasan then expresses his disdain for this type of strategy citing it as being intellectually dishonest.
As the conversation concludes, Hasan thanks Destiny and admits that although his audience initially viewed Destiny with skepticism, believing him to be a social democrat, they have now fallen in love with him. Hasan then raids Destiny's channel, and offers to help "tag-team" someone in a debate should Destiny ever wish.
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Hasan's Richard Lewis Debate - Post-debate discussion with Hasan WIP
On November 2, 2018 Hasan engaged in a debate with esports journalist Richard Lewis regarding hot-button political topics at the time. Topics included the Mainstream Media, Donald Trump, Shifting Demographics, and Obama Era Deportations. [4]
On November 6, 2018 Hasan and Destiny reacted to a vod of the debate together. [5] At the onset of the stream, the two experience several delays due to technical difficulties primarily attributed to synchronizing the audio of both the vods they are watching, low-volume, and Destiny hearing an echo from Hasan's stream(Hasan did not have headphones at the time). Destiny eventually decides that Hasan should simply watch his stream while he reacts to the vod, Hasan points out that Destiny's stream has a five-second delay, to which Destiny responds Hasan can just "scream" if he wants the video paused. Destiny immediately retracts this idea, and settles on just screensharing the video through discord(only after Destiny berates the chatter who suggested this alternative). From this point, Destiny's stream is left with the muffled audio of Hasan's debate with Richard Lewis, which the two react to for the remainder of the call.
Highlights from the discussion include:
- 0:00 Several minutes of technical delays.
- 6:22 Destiny pauses the video and derides Lewis' tendency to justify some positions with the claim that he has "a lot of multicultural friends". Hasan then questions Destiny's past relationship with Lewis, stating he thought they were "best-friends" at one point. Destiny informs Hasan that they were friends, but not particularly close. He then discusses Lewis' perceived "spinelessness", and points to his silence during the JonTron Debate and accusation that Destiny was making Jontron appear racist through debate tactics. Destiny concludes that Lewis is on a "little-leash" held by an esports broadcaster named Thorin.
- 14:55 Hasan claims that Lewis only came onto his stream because he saw an attractive guy on the main page of twitch "shitting on his video". Hasan goes on to accuse Lewis of thinking he could score an easy dunk on an "attractive looking dumb-guy". Hasan then points out that Lewis referred to him as "diet Destiny", to which Hasan responded "bitch I debated Ann Coulter".
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There's something you value more than democracy... ft. Hasan Piker & H.Bomberguy WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyOnBYaLFwY
I F#%*ING HATE BREAKING NEWS FT. HASAN PIKER WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FcDO7jYQQ8
I DIDN'T KNOW I GRABBED THE MAGNUM XXXL'S Destiny and Hasan IRL WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4V1zrh0W4A
Streamer Drama ft. Hasanabi, Vaush, Marty & RemTheBathBoi WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjszEJBKWRs
How will Article 13 change YouTube and Twitch? ft. Hasanabi WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPtdhXmRgCo
Hasan and Destiny debate abortion WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZOr-ruA_XM
I don't really know if you're pretending or not... ft. HasanAbi & Emmia WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stdrVr9BHkE
Hasanabi And Destiny BREAK UP Over Kamala Misinformation WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLfAuWe3xho
Hasanabi And Destiny BREAK UP Aftermath WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCsvkP_sVQw
Notable Clips, Videos, and Tweets and Controversies
Controversies
Throughout his career, Piker has been involved in several controversies, often stemming from his outspoken political views. In 2019, he faced backlash for comments made during a Twitch stream about the September 11 attacks and brave Mujahideen fighters fucking the eye hole of U.S. Representative Dan Crenshaw. Piker later apologized for the remarks, stating that they were "inappropriate and offensive."
During the run of Hasan's show "Bro Tips", hosted on The Young Turks, he made a number of controversial comments in which he accused Lady Gaga of having a penis, and gave viewers instructions on how to isolate women from their friends, then coerce them into sexual intercourse. [citation needed ]
"Remember, old enough to count, old enough to mount." - Hasan 'The Brofessor' Piker [citation needed ]
"It's time to get out of here and it's time to separate her from her herd, meaning her crowd of girlfriends who are going to do their best to cockblock you because they're fat and ulgy." - Hasan 'The Brofessor' Piker [citation needed ]
"Brotip: If you stand in front of the door, she can't leave." - Hasan 'The Brofessor' Piker [citation needed ]
Controversial quotes
- Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
- “I paved it on my own”
- "I live on a basic necessity budget"
- "Twitch leak"
- "I make the same amount of money as a doctor"
External Links
References
- ↑ The Most Oppressed Group - Pre-debate Debate with Hasan Piker. (October 9, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved January 29, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9iPLU3fAFA
- ↑ POLITICON - DESTINY REACTS. (October 22, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved January 19, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uenf3uYDKBE
- ↑ Politicon 2018 - Post-debate Debate with Hasan Piker. (October 24, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved January 19, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jRhGapcaK4
- ↑ Richard Lewis Semantics Expert. (November 2, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved February 2, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1OXF6IEBFc
- ↑ Hasan’s Richard Lewis Debate - Post-debate Debate with Hasan Piker. (November 9, 2018). www.youtube.com. Retrieved February 2, 2024, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wtmabgQU8