Ian Kochinski (born February 14, 1994), better known as Vaush, Veesh[1], Voosh, Vowsh, Vorsh or IrishLaddie, is an American left-wing YouTuber and former orbiter of Destiny. The earliest recorded interaction between Vaush and Destiny occurred in December 2012, when they discussed feminism.[2] Sometimes his hands are cold.
Vaush began streaming on Twitch under the name IrishLaddie before rebranding to Vaush. He describes himself as a libertarian socialist and frequently covers topics related to left-wing politics, social justice, and online political discourse. He built a significant following on YouTube and Twitch through political commentary, debates, and react content.
Vaush and Destiny's relationship has gone through several distinct phases over the years. Their earliest known interaction dates back to December 2012, when Vaush(Then Irishladdie) appeared on Destiny's stream to discuss feminism and revolution. During the mid-to-late 2010s, the two maintained a largely friendly dynamic, frequently collaborating on political discussions and debate panels.
Their relationship became increasingly strained over time due to political disagreements, personal conflicts, and various disputes over online conduct. Tensions escalated through 2020 with debates like their confrontation over the morality of Kyle Rittenhouse in August 2020. The relationship reached its breaking point in February 2021 when Vaush called out Destiny over his PhilosophyTube tweets, leading to a heated debate[3] that effectively ended their relationship. By this point, the two had largely become adversarial, and the limited interactions since then have been more hostile than collaborative.
2012-12-26 A conversation with Vaush (Irishladdie): feminism and the revolution
On December 12, 2026 Destiny hosts a roughly two-hour long Skype call with a Shit Reddit Says (SRS) subreddit member and self-described feminist, Vaush (at the time known as Irishladdie).[23] This conversation comes just months after ShitRedditSays had successfully pressured sponsors to get Destiny removed from ROOT Gaming in August 2012.[24] Despite this, the conversation is largely civil, and the two discuss topics such as rape culture, racism, internalized misogyny, and whether ShitRedditSays' "Project Panda" campaign against a creepshots subreddit was justified(the same sponsor-pressure tactic that had been used against Destiny himself). [25]
Debate Timestamps
5:46 Vaush joins the call, begins to introduce himself before Destiny interrupts him to rage about his game's save file.
13:44 Vaush points out that a chatter has been "riding him" since he entered the call, then apologizes for using a hetero-normative statement.
13:55 Destiny asks if he were to call someone a "faygot" instead of faggot, would that still be bad from a feminist standpoint? Vaush responds that he does not know, but he's not actually a feminist scholar.
18:25 Vaush attempts to identify what Destiny's problem is with ShitRedditSays(SRS). He claims that Destiny believes the radical method in which the subreddit engages with feminist movements, delegitimizes "real" feminist issues. Destiny agrees and states this is one of his issues with the subreddit. Vaush goes on to list the problems with SRS.
21:07 Vaush confesses that SRS is a "proud" circle jerk, states he is only here to defend SRS from the angle that it is not representative of feminism nor is it obligated to be. He goes on to state that the current attitude of the subreddit is a result of it's "opponents".
23:39 Destiny points to a "reverse privilege-vibe" occurring in the subreddit, and subreddit members "hijacking" words and giving them new meaning(e.g. racism).
25:18 Vaush identifies two problems with SRS in becoming a more "accepting" node of feminism(comparing themselves to r/atheism): 1. The fact they are unwilling to change due to demands placed on them by Bigots 2. There's nothing they could do to make the aforementioned bigots not dislike them.
26:45 Destiny states he disagrees with Vaush's "r/atheism" comparison, claiming that while r/atheism is elitist, they do not "maliciously invade" or brigade subreddits like SRS. Destiny goes on to claim that members of SRS tend to characterize their opponents as the "worst possible hyperbole" of whatever ideology also contains the word they use(e.g. a man pointing out how their partner may not be sexually interested at some points would be labled as a "rapist" and downvoted). Vaush offers to explain, but Destiny counters that there can be no good explanation for this behavior.
28:17 Vaush explains that such behavior is inherent in all "activist" subreddits. Destiny and Vaush proceed to have a back and forth about the justifiability of various "brigading" actions taken by SRS(e.g. linking posts from other subreddits, someone's home address, etc..). Throughout this portion of the conversation, Vaush counters that while he will not defend brigading, he does not care if other subreddits feel like they're being brigaded, and that he does not care for the general "internet points" of the bigots they're brigading. He caveats that the subreddit still follows reddit guidelines with regards to the screenshotting of other subreddits, and that brigading is just something that happens as a result of their advocacy.
30:32 Vaush points to a portion of Destiny's post where he identifies that SRS instantly bans people who come to their subreddit. Vaush argues they ban because they "do not tolerate" any form of derailment. He argues that other subreddits that were initially designed to be female-friendly spaces(e.g. 2xchromosomes), have been overrun with mansplaining. Destiny counters that the brand of feminism being sold by SRS is far too extreme, and that there are plenty of minority groups that they may claim to defend who vehemently disagree with the stuff they say.
31:28 Vaush argues any minority groups offended by the actions of SRS have "internalized" the bigotry they've experienced. Destiny disagrees with this, and the big intellectual 'fuck you" of a subreddit composed of majority white males informing minorities they have internalized some bigotry and are thinking the wrong way. Vaush responds that for every person they alienate, they get even more people who agree with them.
34:13 Destiny and Vaush debate internalized misogyny accusations as they pertain to SRS. Destiny arguing subreddit members tend to paint accusations of internalized misogyny with a broad brush towards all their critics, and Vaush arguing they don't care if a few people feel alienated. The two proceed to go through several examples of individuals "bullied" on the subreddit.
41:11 Destiny and Vaush discuss rape culture, and debate the concept of "enthusiastic consent". Destiny arguing that Vaush and SRS's definition of the concept would likely result in the majority of otherwise consensual sexual-interactions between partners being labled as rape. Vaush responds that he has never heard a rape victim disagree with how fervently they persecute rapists, and that he is content with such standards as it allows for rapists to be more easily persecuted.
45:17 Destiny laments not archiving more threads to help illustrate his point on SRS over-labeling individuals as rapists. Vaush argues that they're simply performing a "circle-jerk" when doing this, and would not devalue a conversation by arguing the "minutia" of what constitutes a rapist. Destiny responds that such over-labeling devalues the "actual people" who should be condemned.
46:45 Destiny points to hypothetically labeling every shooting as a genocide devaluing actual genocides. Vaush counters that genocides have no problems getting recognized, while rapes do. Destiny argues once more that the definition being used for rapes is far too broad.
49:51 Destiny and Vaush debate the various forms SRS has defined a "rape" having occurred. Destiny stating they paint the occurrence of a rape with too broad of a brush, and Vaush arguing it's justified.
55:39 Destiny states Vaush and members of SRS are making the word "rape" seem a lot less powerful than it is.
57:30 Vaush claims that as society grows to be more progressive, the line between what's right and what's wrong will be very thin and mean very different things(much like Racism in the 50s compared to today). Vaush goes on to claim that he and the subreddit care more about doing right by the individuals suffering the most from such instances, than appeasing those who may be caught in the crossfire. Destiny reiterates his point regarding SRS alienating potential supporters.
1:00:06 Vaush asserts that the argument they're having is moot, and that the world will become a much more progressive place in 200 years, and that society will inevitability become more progressive. Destiny argues that there's no point in saying anything at all if this is the case. Vaush replies that he likes hearing the sound of his own voice.
call with a Shit Reddit Says (SRS) subreddit member and self-described feminist, Vaush (at the time known as Irishladdie).[23] This conversation comes just months after ShitRedditSays had successfully pressured sponsors to get Destiny removed from ROOT Gaming