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On October 29, 2019, Pxie and Destiny deliberated on the dichotomy between free will and determinism.<ref> | On October 29, 2019, Pxie and Destiny deliberated on the dichotomy between free will and determinism.<ref> | ||
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</ref> The | </ref> The majority of the conversation was conducted in an interview-like fashion by Pxie, and eventually progressed into a formal debate on the subject. | ||
During the | During the discussion, Destiny argued in favor of pre-determinism. While he acknowledged the probabilistic behavior of a particle's location in quantum mechanics as a potential gray area, he maintains that this {{wiki|Uncertainty_principle|uncertainty}} does not fully substantiate the existence of "true" randomness. He goes on to posit that the entire universe is predetermined, and that even in cases where true-randomness were discovered, the concept of free will would likely remain a fiction. Conversely, Pxie argued in favor of free-will, and pointed to the evolutionary development of consciousness as evidence. The two ultimately spend some time discussing the "illusion of free will"(with some illustrative assistance through microsoft paint), before Pxie expresses the need to think on the subject some more. Following this, the two depart from the call amicably. | ||
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* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=746 12:16] Pxie asks Destiny if he believes in pre-determinism. Destiny answers in the affirmative, and posits there likely are some exceptions on a quantum level. | * [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=746 12:16] Pxie asks Destiny if he believes in pre-determinism. Destiny answers in the affirmative, and posits there likely are some exceptions on a quantum level. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=790 13:10] Pxie asks Destiny why he believes "Quantum mechanics" isn't enough to tear apart pre-determinism. Destiny explains that there are many interpretations of Quantum mechanics that don't actually call for true randomness to exist(e.g. wave functions express probabilities of particles, and they appear random to us just because we lack the sufficient ability to measure their location). Destiny explains that while he doesn't have a sufficient level of expertise to fully realize this argument, he can understand that we speak in probabilities for this particular scenario as we don't know where the particle will truly lie in space. | * [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=790 13:10] Pxie asks Destiny why he believes "Quantum mechanics" isn't enough to tear apart pre-determinism. Destiny explains that there are many interpretations of Quantum mechanics that don't actually call for true randomness to exist(e.g. wave functions express probabilities of particles, and they appear random to us just because we lack the sufficient ability to measure their location). Destiny explains that while he doesn't have a sufficient level of expertise to fully realize this argument, he can understand that we speak in probabilities for this particular scenario as we don't know where the particle will truly lie in space. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=942 15:42] Pxie asks Destiny if he believes determinism would be a "thing" if true randomness was discovered. Destiny answers that while determinism would cease to exist if true randomness were discovered, free will would likely never be a "thing". | * [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=942 15:42] Pxie asks Destiny if he believes determinism would be a "thing" if true randomness was discovered. Destiny answers that while determinism would cease to exist if true randomness were discovered, free will would likely never be a "thing". He explains that human beings would never have the ability to consciously collapse wave functions, or exert pressure over the existence of wave functions in our brains. Pxie replies that she needs to read more on the subject. | ||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=988 16:28] Destiny asks Pxie if she knows the difference between physicalism and materialism. Pxie responds in the affirmative, but notes it's been some time. Destiny explains that the only way Pxie would be able to do free will arguments, is by arguing for some time about a non-physical or immaterial entity. As arguing for free will from a materialistic point of view would require one to "break reality". | |||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=1061 17:41] Destiny provides the example of rolling a rock down a hill, and being able to 100% measure where the rock will land every time. He compares this to the human experience. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=1109 18:29] Pxie states that from an evolutionary perspective everything humans possesses comes for a reason. Destiny informs Pxie she needs to be careful with her language, and draws from his experience debating race-realists. He explains that it would be better to state that evolution is descriptive rather than done with a specific intent. Destiny goes on to describe the possible reasons explaining why women developed breasts, or why humans have a "blind spot" in their eyes. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=1403 23:23] Pxie expresses her confusion with Destiny going from "some traits just happen to survive" to "there's no reason for anything". Destiny replies that he meant "things don't happen for a reason". Pxie apologizes again for being confused, and Destiny says she's fine. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=1426 23:46] Pxie contends that if nothing happens for a reason evolution wouldn't be a thing. Destiny identifies that Pxie's confusion lies in the word "reason". Destiny explains that when he says "nothing happens for a reason" he means things just exist, and that things happen, but there is no greater plan in place. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=1478 24:38] Pxie points out that white squirrels may have the ability to survive in the winter better compared to brown squirrels, and Destiny identifies this as a type of evolutionary "reason". | |||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=1492 24:52] Pxie asks what the evolutionary reason to choose and have a conscious would be. Destiny explains that things can be predetermined and arise for a reason. Destiny identifies what Pxie is asking: "Why does something need a justification for something else if everything is predetermined". Destiny argues that these two things are not related to one another, and that one could have something that is predetermined and still have explanations for how things work. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=1537 25:37] Pxie once again points to consciousness as evidence for predetermination, and Destiny counters that individuals do not really make "choices". Pxie argues that we would never have developed a conscious to begin with if this was the case, as the reason it was developed was to give us the ability to choose. Destiny counters once again that all of our choices are theoretically pre-determined. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=1582 26:22] Destiny argues that if one has a ball that goes around and can either pick up red things or blue things. If the red things harm the ball, he explains he should give the ball tithe ability to choose between red things and blue things. Destiny argues that he could set a ball on a path, and that path would technically be predetermined as we know it would avoid all red things. Pxie is slightly confused by the example and Destiny clarifies for some time. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=1731 28:44] Destiny draws a picture to clarify his position. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=1821 30:21] Pxie draws a picture to clarify her position. Pxie asks how the path can be predetermined if the ball can take on multiple paths. Destiny explains that the scenario is predetermined as the ball is only choosing rainbow paths. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/S9LnWQ3cQRg?t=2053 34:13] Pxie asks Destiny if he's an atheist. Destiny answers yes. | |||
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Pxie is a Puerto Rican-American livestreamer and political commentator. She first appeared on stream with Destiny during a Mindwaves debate panel to discuss the justifiability of edgy language in private. Since that debate, Pxie has occasionally appeared on Destiny's stream to discuss hot-button political/social issues, and participate in informal conversations with Destiny regarding on-stream events.
Pxie was nominated for the 2023 Destiny Award for Buddy of the Year, and the 2019 Destiny Award for Ally of the Year.
Political Advocacy
Although Pxie's on-stream interactions and debates with Destiny have been infrequent as of late, she has played an active role in political advocacy initiatives by DGG. This role has included participating in DGG canvassing campaigns, and assisting in on-stream election coverage with Destiny.[1][2][3]
Notable On Stream Appearances with Destiny
Edgy language in private debate
| Main Article: "I've never been more gaslit in my entire life..." - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More |
On October 22, 2019 Pxie participated in a political panel hosted by MindWaves. The panel featured Destiny, Hasan Piker, TheSerfsTV (AKA Lance), Ahrelevant, Bastiat, Kormantine and Cole James Cash.[4][5] Four topics were discussed during the panel, among those topics included a recent Canadian Election, usage of the n-word in private, the 2020 Democratic primary,
and Mark Zuckerberg's
secret meetings with Conservatives. The second topic, usage of the n-word in private, took up the bulk of the podcast's time and was by far the most tumultuous of the topics discussed.
Throughout the discussion, Pxie aligned more closely with those critical of Destiny's use of edgy language in private. Like others on the panel, she believed that Destiny's public acknowledgment of using such language in private undermined his stance on the harmful nature of "edgy words." That said, Pxie's neutral approach to engaging with Destiny's position, combined with her overall kinder demeanor, fostered a more constructive exchange of ideas compared to the more confrontational tone adopted by some of the other panelists.
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Dehumanization & Edgy Jokes - Destiny Discusses ft. Pxie
On October 25, 2019, Pxie and Destiny discussed the implications of edgy humor(specifically those containing racial slurs), and it's role in causing individuals to feel dehumanized.[6] This conversation was brought on following the duo's difficulties in having a meaningful engagement on the same topic during a Mindwaves debate panel.
During the conversation, Pxie asserts that society(even within an egoist
framework) should strive to eliminate oppression and dehumanization, as such systems ultimately work to harm all individuals within society. She extends this reasoning to argue against the private use of racial slurs or edgy language, asserting that such behavior can perpetuate the harmful subconscious biases inherent in all individuals, and cause those minorities whom the slurs are directed at to feel "otherized". In response, Destiny acknowledges that racial humor or edgy language can, at times, reinforce subconscious biases, especially when espoused by individuals without a formal understanding of their harmful nature. However, he maintains that individuals who are fully aware of the harm such language can cause may be able to engage with it without falling victim to those subconscious pitfalls.
After an hour discussing the topic, Destiny and Pxie ultimately reach an impasse, with Destiny offering to reassess his view entirely if Pxie were to provide studies pointing to otherwise non-racist individuals beginning to develop racist thoughts upon hearing a slur. Following this, the two depart from the call amicably.
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Free Will vs Determinism - Destiny Debates Pxie
On October 29, 2019, Pxie and Destiny deliberated on the dichotomy between free will and determinism.[7] The majority of the conversation was conducted in an interview-like fashion by Pxie, and eventually progressed into a formal debate on the subject.
During the discussion, Destiny argued in favor of pre-determinism. While he acknowledged the probabilistic behavior of a particle's location in quantum mechanics as a potential gray area, he maintains that this uncertainty
does not fully substantiate the existence of "true" randomness. He goes on to posit that the entire universe is predetermined, and that even in cases where true-randomness were discovered, the concept of free will would likely remain a fiction. Conversely, Pxie argued in favor of free-will, and pointed to the evolutionary development of consciousness as evidence. The two ultimately spend some time discussing the "illusion of free will"(with some illustrative assistance through microsoft paint), before Pxie expresses the need to think on the subject some more. Following this, the two depart from the call amicably.
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"You're doing the Destiny thing..." - Post Bernie or Bust Discussion ft. Pxie WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP584WiH2X0
Pxie vs Mindwaves WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2RJi2bslOs&t=1425s
Destiny debates Pxie ft. Mindwaves WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd-LotbVN38
Dad Debates Feminist Daughter And Destiny WIP
Notable Debates
Pxie debates Playingwithfire WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQaMnhwln68
Michael Knowles vs Pxie, Farha, and Jasmine WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGheQulIfao&t=81s
Whatever podcast debate with Andrew Wilson WIP
External Links
References
- ↑ Destiny. (2024, November 5). Trump Wins The Election LIVE REACTION AND AFTERMATH. Retrieved 2024, December 6, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjG-NIRWnU0.
- ↑ PV Archive. (2024, February 11). Ohio Canvassing Newscast Couch Ft. @imreallyimportant & @DylanBurnsLIVE. Retrieved 2024, December 5, from https://youtu.be/5b_bpv7ZknU?t=927.
- ↑ Erin and Pxie in the Wild: Knocking on Doors in Ohio. (2022, November 3). Erin and Pxie in the Wild: Knocking on Doors in Ohio. Retrieved 2024, December 6, from https://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/zcxckx/erin_and_pxie_in_the_wild_knocking_on_doors_in/.
- ↑ Destiny. (2019, October 27). "I’ve never been more gaslit in my entire life...” - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More. Retrieved 2024, November 27, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hodq77NShaA.
- ↑ MindWavesTV. (2019, November 3). Big Brain Podcast Ep. 11 ft. Destiny, Hasan Piker, The Serfs, ActualJake, Cole James Cash & more. Retrieved 2024, November 27, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHkH9TthrmU.
- ↑ Destiny. (2019, November 4). Dehumanization & Edgy Jokes - Destiny Discusses ft. Pxie. Retrieved 2024, December 6, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ272vsoaXw.
- ↑ Destiny. (2019, November 1). Free Will vs Determinism - Destiny Debates Pxie. Retrieved 2024, December 19, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9LnWQ3cQRg.