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=== Destiny debates JonTron on immigration and assimilation WIP ===
=== Destiny debates JonTron on immigration and assimilation WIP ===
[[File:JontronFamousLastWords2.png|thumb|''JonTron agreeing to come on stream for a debate with Destiny(the suspended user). Also featuring 4THOT.'']]
[[File:JontronFamousLastWords2.png|thumb|''JonTron agreeing to come on stream for a debate with Destiny(the suspended user). Also featuring 4THOT.'']]
On March 12, 2017 JonTron tweeted out a defense to a quote from Iowa Representative [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King| Steve King], who tweeted in regards to the United States' immigration policy: "We can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies."<ref>Washington Post (2017, March 12).[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/12/rep-steve-king-warns-that-our-civilization-cant-be-restored-with-somebody-elses-babies/ "Rep. Steve King warns that ‘our civilization’ can’t be restored with ‘somebody else’s babies’"]. www.washingtonpost.com. Retrieved September 27, 2023</ref> JonTron's initial defense of the tweet was the following: "Wow, how scandalous, Steve King doesn't want his country invaded by people who have contempt for his culture and people! NAZI!!!"<ref>Twitter (2017, March 12)[https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/841051513212547072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E841051513212547072%7Ctwgr%5E40a142040f3d25725f951acb8010c28fd39a29b9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F4701304%2Fjontron-jon-jafari-steve-bonnell-immigration-race-youtube%2F]. www.twitter.com. Retrieved September 27, 2023</ref>. JonTron would go beyond that initial defense for some time(4 hours) and soon crossed paths with [[Destiny]] on twitter. After some back and forth JonTron eventually agreed to come onto Destiny's stream for a debate.<ref>Twitter (2017, March 12).[https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/841117579192217600]. www.twitter.com. Retrieved September 27, 2023</ref>
On March 12, 2017 JonTron tweeted out a defense to a quote from Iowa Representative [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King| Steve King], who tweeted in regards to the United States' immigration policy: "We can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies."<ref>Washington Post (2017, March 12).[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/12/rep-steve-king-warns-that-our-civilization-cant-be-restored-with-somebody-elses-babies/ "Rep. Steve King warns that ‘our civilization’ can’t be restored with ‘somebody else’s babies’"]. www.washingtonpost.com. Retrieved September 27, 2023</ref> JonTron's initial defense of the tweet was the following: "Wow, how scandalous, Steve King doesn't want his country invaded by people who have contempt for his culture and people! NAZI!!!"<ref>Twitter (2017, March 12)[https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/841051513212547072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E841051513212547072%7Ctwgr%5E40a142040f3d25725f951acb8010c28fd39a29b9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F4701304%2Fjontron-jon-jafari-steve-bonnell-immigration-race-youtube%2F]. www.twitter.com. Retrieved September 27, 2023</ref>. JonTron would go beyond that initial defense for some time(4 hours) and soon crossed paths with [[Destiny]] on twitter. After some back and forth JonTron eventually agreed to come onto Destiny's stream for a debate.<ref>Twitter (2017, March 12).[ https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/841117579192217600]. www.twitter.com. Retrieved September 27, 2023</ref>


The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RQA9GZprqM| debate] occurred on Destiny's channel and went on until around 2am the next morning.
The [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RQA9GZprqM| debate] occurred on Destiny's channel and went on until around 2am the next morning. As the conversation begins, JonTron checks his mic, cracks some jokes, and even compliments Destiny on his looks. Destiny explains his interest in "cultural issues", mentioning its current popularity and his ongoing discussions on his stream, referencing Brexit and Trump's presidency as examples. He further notes that the "gaming" community often leans a particular way on these topics, especially after Gamergate, and suggests that JonTron seems to have gravitated towards that perspective, specifically on immigration and cultural matters. Destiny then expresses his concern about JonTron holding such a viewpoint, especially considering his vast audience. JonTron responds, saying he doesn't find his perspective troubling. In fact, he's more concerned that people find it troubling in the first place, as he does not find such a perspective to be very controversial. He goes on to say that "staying on the fence", and "avoiding conflict" in such polarizing times is pointless.
 
Jontron asks Destiny what he finds [https://youtu.be/6RQA9GZprqM?t=126| "so troubling"] with his perspective on cultural issues. Destiny responds that the general defense of "American Culture" from the sources he's read defending JonTron's point, tends to boil down to: "I think that this thing is better because it's majority white, and I don't want that to change..."


=== Aftermath of JonTron's debate with Destiny WIP ===
=== Aftermath of JonTron's debate with Destiny WIP ===

Revision as of 15:40, 28 September 2023

Jonathan 'JonTron' Jafari

Jonathan Aryan Jafari, also known as JonTron, is an American YouTuber, comedian, and media reviewer.

On Stream appearance and Controversy WIP

Destiny debates JonTron on immigration and assimilation WIP

JonTron agreeing to come on stream for a debate with Destiny(the suspended user). Also featuring 4THOT.

On March 12, 2017 JonTron tweeted out a defense to a quote from Iowa Representative Steve King, who tweeted in regards to the United States' immigration policy: "We can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies."[1] JonTron's initial defense of the tweet was the following: "Wow, how scandalous, Steve King doesn't want his country invaded by people who have contempt for his culture and people! NAZI!!!"[2]. JonTron would go beyond that initial defense for some time(4 hours) and soon crossed paths with Destiny on twitter. After some back and forth JonTron eventually agreed to come onto Destiny's stream for a debate.[3]

The debate occurred on Destiny's channel and went on until around 2am the next morning. As the conversation begins, JonTron checks his mic, cracks some jokes, and even compliments Destiny on his looks. Destiny explains his interest in "cultural issues", mentioning its current popularity and his ongoing discussions on his stream, referencing Brexit and Trump's presidency as examples. He further notes that the "gaming" community often leans a particular way on these topics, especially after Gamergate, and suggests that JonTron seems to have gravitated towards that perspective, specifically on immigration and cultural matters. Destiny then expresses his concern about JonTron holding such a viewpoint, especially considering his vast audience. JonTron responds, saying he doesn't find his perspective troubling. In fact, he's more concerned that people find it troubling in the first place, as he does not find such a perspective to be very controversial. He goes on to say that "staying on the fence", and "avoiding conflict" in such polarizing times is pointless.

Jontron asks Destiny what he finds "so troubling" with his perspective on cultural issues. Destiny responds that the general defense of "American Culture" from the sources he's read defending JonTron's point, tends to boil down to: "I think that this thing is better because it's majority white, and I don't want that to change..."

Aftermath of JonTron's debate with Destiny WIP

This conversation was quite the turning point in Destiny's streaming career, and cemented his position(for some time) as a "lefty" streamer willing to engage the right. Throughout the conversation, whenever Destiny presented a coherent logical argument, called JonTron out for a misstep, or cited a statistic, JonTron either derailed the conversation to a different topic or laughed off the questions/arguments. Those on the left lauded Destiny for his performance[citation needed ], while those on the right were hypercritical of Destiny's "debate tactics".[citation needed ]

External Links

References

  1. Washington Post (2017, March 12)."Rep. Steve King warns that ‘our civilization’ can’t be restored with ‘somebody else’s babies’". www.washingtonpost.com. Retrieved September 27, 2023
  2. Twitter (2017, March 12)[1]. www.twitter.com. Retrieved September 27, 2023
  3. Twitter (2017, March 12).[ https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/841117579192217600]. www.twitter.com. Retrieved September 27, 2023