"I've never been more gaslit in my entire life..." - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More

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"I've never been more gaslit in my entire life..." - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More

On October 22, 2019 Destiny participated in a political panel hosted by Mindwaves. The panel featured Hasan Piker, TheSerfsTV(AKA Lance), Pxie, Ahrelevant, Bastiat, Kormantine and Cole James Cash.

First topic: Canadian Elections

Following a brief introduction from each panelist regarding their political affiliations and streams, Mindwaves presented the first topic: What does each panelist believe will be the fallout of a recent Canadian Election?. Bastiat, being of the opinion the election will likely be to the economic detriment of Canadians, argues the election has prevented the establishment of oil pipelines across the country. Kormantine takes issues with this, asserting that these pipelines would likely never have been established anyways as the Canadian government never received the consent of First Nations to establish such infrastructure, and repeatedly requests for Bastiat to stop arguing in hypotheticals. Bastiat counters that this argument is not hypothetical, points out that the land has already been set aside to lay such pipelines, and informs Kormantine that Trudeau had recently blocked a pipeline bill for $4.5 billion.

During the conversation, both Kormantine and Pixie claims that renewable energies are liable to take off some time in the not-to-distant future, thereby eliminating the country's need for fossil fuels and making any arguments for oil pipelines in the nation irrelevant. Destiny counters that such assertions are unfounded, and that anyone who suggests entirely replacing a nation's dependence on fossil fuels with renewable energies is unserious. Kormantine responds "I know you're not fucking talking right now... what do you know about my country?", to which Destiny sarcastically concedes that it may be possible that Canada has access to some secret alternative energies that nobody else in the world has. Kormantine goes on to assert that Canada is doing fine with their current exports, Destiny responds "doing fine isn't enough with everybody dawg". Before he can continue, Kormantine takes issue with Destiny's use of the word "dawg", and informs Destiny "you don't know me like that".

'"Being friendly, don't mean you're my fucking friend... That goes for some individuals in this stream... Being polite, and joking about certain shit that you know damn well you couldn't walk into a room full of people of color and joke like that, or say something like that... It's a whole lot of that."

— James Cole Cash

While the conversation was overall uneventful, it did provide a glimpse into the true intentions of some panelists joining the panel, of note:

• 2:35 When prompted to provide an intro, Cole states that he runs the "ghetto-news-network" and represents the "gangsta-left". In defining the "gangsta-left", Cole explains that he "doesn't play nice" nor "engage in civility, and will "call [anyone] out for actin foul".
• 10:31 When asked about his feelings about the Canadian Election, Cole explains that the election taught him that Canadians are "very friendly" about their racism. Kormantine agrees with this, caveating that this racism tends to diminish when "black folks" confront white people about this racism.
• 22:39 Cole requesting to move on to the next topic.

Given the apparent desire of some panelists(primarily Cole James Cash) to move on from the subject, the Election discussion only made up the first thirty minutes of the four hour panel before Mindwaves brought moved on to the next topic, The N-Word in private.

Discussion Timestamps

0:45 Panel intros begin. 1:05 Kormantine gives his intro, he describes himself as a Black Socialist. 2:35 Cole James Cash gives his intro. He explains that he runs the "ghetto-news-network" and represents the "gangsta-left". In defining the "gangsta-left", Cole explains that he "doesn't play nice" nor "engage in civility, and will "call [anyone] out for actin foul". 4:22 Destiny gives his intro. 5:02 Bastiat gives his intro. 6:02 Lance gives his intro. 7:01 Pxie gives her intro. 8:30 Lance describes the topic, explaining that a recent Canadian election was going to be a toss-up between conservative and liberals, and the liberals lost out. Kormantine chimes in and explains that the election was a resounding defeat for most parties involved(liberals losing 27 seats, conservatives gaining 32). 10:31 Cole chimes in, adding that the election taught him that Canadians are "very friendly" about their racism. Kormantine agrees with this, caveating that this racism tends to diminish when "black folks" confront white people about this racism. 11:38 Cole:"Being friendly, don't mean you're my fucking friend... That goes for some individuals in this stream... Being polite, and joking about certain shit that you know damn well you couldn't walk into a room full of people of color and joke like that, or say something like that... It's a whole lot of that." 12:34 Bastiat expresses how happy he is that Canadians were able to express their right to self-determination, and explains he is happy that the election has prevented the establishment of oil pipelines across Canada. He goes on to explain that as a result of this election, Canada will be forced to send their oil through the United States. 13:21 Pxie begins to chime in but is told to stop talking by Kormantine so he can get his point across. Kormantine argues that there are several reasons the oil pipelines can't move through the country outside of the ones provided by Bastiat. He explains that the oil pipelines would never have been established, given the lack of consent from first-nations. 18:22 Bastiat asserts that "pipelines in general are done in Canada". Kormantine once again argues that Bastiat is arguing in hypotheticals as the pipelines would never have been established to begin with, and Bastiat counters that the Trudeau had recently blocked a pipeline bill for $4.5 billion. 19:21 Cole describes Bastiat as "corny". 19:37 Mindwaves asks for Lance's perspective on the topic. Lance explains he doesn't know anything about this subject and wanted to talk about the election. Destiny chimes in that energy is important, and Bastiat adds that Canada's economic future for pipelines has been terminated. 20:55 Kormantine adds that Canada has recently invested in solar and wind energy. 21:20 Pxie asks for some clarification, explaining that she initially thought Canada was a service-based economy. Kormantine and Ahrelvant argue this seems to be true, to which Pxie adds that such a pipeline would not likely have a large impact on Canada's economy. Destiny adds that pain felt in an economy, would not be felt "all over" an economy. He explains that this pain is typically concentrated in specific areas, and the pain in those areas would be highly visible. He concludes that the pain in shutting down exports to oil, regardless how small that sector may be, would likely cause very visible pain to that area of the economy. 22:39 Cole sarcastically responds to Destiny, arguing they should "move the fuck on from this shit and get to the next topic". Kormantine adds he would have prefered to have this discussion with people who were more aware of Canada's situation. 23:23 Destiny argues that it is ridiculous for Pxie or Kormantine to suggest that Canada should replace all of it's fossil fuels with clean energy. Kormantine responds "I know you're not fucking talking right now... what do you know about my country?" Destiny sarcastically concedes that it may be possible that Canada has access to some secret alternative energies that nobody else in the world has. 24:02 Kormantine asserts that Canada is doing fine with their current exports, Destiny responds "doing fine isn't enough with everybody dawg". Kormantine takes issue with Destiny's use of the word "dawg", and informs Destiny "you don't know me like that". 26:03 Mindwaves asks the panel what other negative consequences may occur as a result of this election. Kormantine responds first, arguing the situation is not bad overall. He notes that the biggest fight to take place following the election relates to immigration policy.

Second topic: N-Word in private WIP

The topic list disseminated to panel members prior to the podcast. Of note, the list contains no reference to the "n-word" topic.

Following the uneventful conclusion to the discussion on Canadian Elections, Mindwaves introduces the next topic: Usage of the n-word in private. Upon introducing the topic, several members of the panel, Destiny included, can be heard laughing. Of note, Cole James Cash laughs considerably louder than any of the other panel members, and Kormantine states "that's the only one I came here for... let's fuckin' go".

Discussion Timestamps
28:20 Mindwaves introduces the topic. References