Destiny Finally Takes Gloves Off, Debate Ends In TEARS.
On October 23, 2022, Destiny watched several clips of Lav criticizing him on other streams. [1] Destiny would go on to confront Lav, eventually leaving her in tears.
Debate Highlights
1:16 Destiny reacts to a conversation between MrGirl and Lav. Lav states she is less interested in teaching Destiny how to treat her, and more interested in having relationships with people who already already know how to respect her. Destiny responds that Lav is cringe, young, and naive. Especially when it comes to establishing boundaries with other people.
2:07 MrGirl claims that nobody who has ever loved Destiny has ever pushed back against him, and Lav agrees. Destiny pauses the video, and expresses his frustration with watching a 24 year old, whose opinions he has observed change frequently, trying to psychoanalyze his relationships. He suggests that Lav come back to him in three weeks once she has developed an entirely new life-philosophy again.
3:02 The video skips to later in the day where Destiny reacts to a conversation between Lav, Erudite, and Brittany. Lav says she's like Holden Caulfield from Catcher in the Rye. Destiny pauses the video and states that no individual should want to be like Holden, and implies that Lav missed the point of the story if that was her takeaway. This was all in reference to Lav calling Chaiery a "phony", and her current disdain for her.
5:29 Lav, Erudite and Brittany debate for some time over the intentionality of Chaiery and Stardust attempting to cancel MrGirl. Lav believes the two(primarily Chaiery) were being malicious in their accusation, while Brittany and Lav felt they were genuinely uncomfortable.
10:15 Lav states that nobody came to MrGirl's aid(even Destiny), during his attempted cancellation. Destiny takes issue with this, points out that the attempted cancellation was absurd to begin with. He points to seeing many parts of his community(from his chatroom to subreddit) already criticizing Chaiery and Stardust, and reasoned that putting his "thumb on the scale" would be unnecessary.
16:12 Stardust joins the call, chats for a minute about seeking closure with MrGirl, then leaves.
22:17 Lav joins the call. Destiny accuses Lav of characterizing him as a moron.
25:13 Lav defends her position that Destiny's audience has many groypers in it. Destiny responds that Lav has spent much time on Groyper platforms, and this is likely where the harassment is coming from.
28:08 Lav responds that the actions of Destiny's audience are not necessarily his fault. Destiny then points out that Lav has stated on other platforms that Destiny having Groypers in his community has resulted in her getting hate, and compares that to her coming on stream right now to say that him having Groypers in his audience is morally neutral.
31:59 Destiny, in an exasperated voice, says "Don't talk to me like that, take that back..." when Lav tells him to "shut the fuck up"
33:17 Lav accuses Destiny of not paying attention to the conversation and attempting to pander to his audience.
34:24 Destiny attempts to list his issues with Lav but gets interrupted.
36:24 The two debate further about the perceived misogyny in Destiny's community.
37:47 Destiny asserts that Lav is not using a women's voice, but a manipulator's voice when she gets caught "doing some dumb shit" in a conversation.
39:28 Lav accuses Destiny of not empathizing with her position because he wants to protect his community. Destiny disagrees with this, and points to the amount of backlash he has received from his community as a result of him being good faith with Lav.
44:51 Lav begins to cry, and later concedes that she was being uncharitable to Destiny on other streams.
47:50 Destiny points out that Lav perfectly situates herself in most conversations to sit on either side of the fence on a given topic. And when she confronts an individual on that topic, she flips to the "good side" of that fence.
50:28 Destiny asks Lav why she would use one-off most negative comments from his community to paint a brush on his entire audience.
54:16 Lav states she was wrong, and does not truly think Destiny's audience is filled with groypers or misogynists.
1:04:25 The two discuss about presenting relationship problems to other people.
1:08:59 Lav begins sobbing. Destiny throws up a quick 900.
Destiny reacts to clips of Lav
Lav made the following statements which Destiny took issue with:
She states she is less interested in teaching Destiny how to treat her, and more interested in having relationships with people who already already know how to respect her. Destiny responds that Lav is cringe, young, and naive, especially when it comes to establishing boundaries with other people.
She agrees with MrGirl's claim that nobody who has ever loved Destiny has ever pushed back against him. Destiny again, expresses his frustration with watching a young individual, whose opinions he has observed change frequently, trying to psychoanalyze his relationship.
She maintains that Chaeiry and Stardust were purposely malicious in their attempted cancellation of MrGirl, and accuses Destiny of not coming to MrGirl's aid. Destiny responds that the overwhelming majority of online spaces were coming out against Chaiery and Stardust, and he found it unnecessary to add on to the criticism they were receiving as a result of the accusation.
Lav joins the stream
Eventually, Lav joins the stream to confront Destiny. Lav claims she never "talked shit" about Destiny on other streams, and accuses Destiny of "emboldening" his community against her and breeding misogyny. She also maintains that Destiny's audience has many groypers in it harassing her. Destiny responds that he polices against misogyny heavily in his community, and points out that Lav has spent much time on Groyper platforms. He clarifies that this is is likely where the harassment she receives is coming from. The two debate the perceived Misogyny in Destiny's community(primarily the subreddit), Lav's characterization of Destiny on other streams, and Lav's behavior in debates.
Throughout their conversation, Destiny attempts to make clear to Lav that her on-stream issues do not stem from her unfamiliarity with debate spheres. Instead, he explains they stem from her habit of belittling other people who hold differing views from her, and then changing her mind on these views the next day. Destiny points out that Lav perfectly situates herself in most conversations to sit on either side of the fence on a given topic, and when she confronts an individual on that topic, she flips to the "good side" of that fence. The conversation gets quite emotional with Lav even sobbing through her arguments at one point. Lav eventually apologizes, says she was wrong, and that she does not truly think Destiny's audience is filled with groypers or misogynists.
