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Clarifying some previous events (also widely known as the Lefty Manifesto or the N-word manifesto) is a manifesto written by Destiny.

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On Oct 24, 2019, Destiny posted on his subreddit laying out a series of events regarding the 'N-word' and 'Private vs. Public language' discourse that had been happening prior and culminated in an episode of MindWaves's Big Brain Podcast, in which Destiny was blindsided by Kormantine and Cole James Cash—two relatively insignificant black streamers—on Destiny's private use of the n-word.

The discourse had additionally led to Trihex, one of Destiny's (at that point) former friends to be—as Destiny would go on to frame in the article—manipulated by "a few USSR LARPers whispering in your ear" (Hasan Piker, to name the most prominent of the bunch) "to turn you against me." However, Trihex and Destiny are currently on amicable terms, Trihex having teased a possible reunion and appearing on an episode of Destiny in moderation.[1][2]

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Clarifying some previous events

TLDR; Fuck Kormantine and Cole, fuck TheSerfsTV, fuck Hasan, fuck BadBunny, fuck Mike from CCP, fuck Alebrelle, and fuck Trihex,

There have been a lot of "big drama events" that have transpired lately, and I've noticed a lot of people attempting to gaslight me (or my audience/fans etc...) about what events actually transpired. This post is here to serve one purpose and one purpose only, and that's just to document history. I don't expect to "set the record straight" because the people who don't believe me and are attempting to revise history are never going to read anything like this anyway, so here we go:

Kormantine and Cole

The lineup of all the individuals present for this episode of the Big Brain Podcast.

MindWavesTV invited me onto the Big Brain podcast to have a discussion about political issues with a cast of other people. I'd been on once before and I had a good time, so I accepted the invitation. This is a list of topics I was given for our discussion that night.

The "n-word" topic is noticeably missing from this list.

To be clear, I don't mind discussing any topic, with any person, in any environment, at any time. I'm okay with this. But I was absolutely ambushed by Kormantine and Cole Cash on this topic. They're understandably upset with how things turned out because what they were expecting would be an execution got reversed into a double homicide.

Kormantine questioned Mindwaves numerous times throughout the podcast, asking him if "is this what you wanted?" He follows it up with a "I didn't ask to talk about this." This is a very strange response from Kormantine for multiple reasons:

What we're seeing from Kormantine when he repeatedly asks "are you happy with this," "is this what you came here for?" is a performance. I'm not sure if he even cares about black issues at all, but I do know that he absolutely put on a performance for the audience to show his indignation at discussing a certain topic, despite him not only asking for it without my knowledge but gleefully engaging with it at the start. It's a little troubling because I genuinely do care about issues related to language + other minority issues, so it's very irritating to have to argue with someone like Kormantine who's clearly only here for the social capital, as demonstrated by the performance he puts on above.

I'd like to document a bit of behavior by Cole before we go anywhere. For some reason people keep pointing to me being harsh during the debate, but never bother to mention any of the instigation that Cole does (implicitly endorsed by Kormantine, as these two are here together and knew they were coming together for one topic) for the entire duration of his podcast stay.

  • Before the podcast has even started, Cole is throwing shade my way without mentioning my name; "I'm not one of these 'I debate for a living'...I'm not one of these internet dudes. I don't @ you, I get at you...When you see me outside of here, it's the same energy."
  • For some reason still trying to subtly swing at me before we even get to the topic..."That goes for some individuals on this stream....that you know you damn well you couldn't walk into a room full of people of color and say somethin' like that."
  • From a clip posted earlier, if you listen a little we already get a good "look into the camera when you speakin' boy" before I've ever made a single comment about him.
  • Starting off the arguments real strong, "You bein' the racist you are..." refuses to respond to my questions, just posturing about me getting attacked in real life by black people if I ever said the n word to them. "Just embrace being the racist that you are."
  • More posturing about how I'd "never keep that same energy with the n word in a room full of black people" even though the conversation has absolutely nothing to do with it.
  • Random jabs, "you ain't built like that to be speakin' like that publicly 'cause your heart pumps Kool-aid."
  • He admits "there's nothing logically I can say about it." "You have no empathy and no human emotion."
  • In response to a question "why should I let you dictate my personal speech" he postures again and asks "are you going to TwitchCon?" like he's going to attack me or something.
  • James continually interjects with dumb comments/shower insults over and over again during the discussion.
  • Ahrelevant comes in and says that he supports my view on language and asks Cole what he thinks about that, Cole basically calls him and Uncle Tom and says he "needs to spend more time with [his] own people."
  • James continues posturing and basically arguing that he shouldn't have to provide any arguments because of his "real life experience." "I'm acting how I would in the face of blatant racism, only on the internet do I have to deal with the idea that I have to intellectualize the n-word." Then he leaves pretty much immediately after, having made absolutely no arguments whatsoever. "I'm just telling you straight up, this is bullshit. I gotta bounce."

Here's another example of Kormantine performing for the audience. He tells me that he is here to "debate his humanity", claims that I "might be able to talk over him" but that I'm ultimately saying "black people are not welcome", then follows that up and says that Cole left because of my abuse towards him. If you can take anything away from this, it's that Cole was never here to put forth any actual arguments, he was only here to stir shit, and Kormantine incessant defense of Cole's character is an indictment on his own. If you think that "role" he came to serve here is justifiable, okay, we can have that argument, but don't pretend he came here to ever engage in a good faith argument.

Now let's talk about Kormantine. Hasan has claimed that I was "triggering" to them and that my debate with him was unfair; I've heard other "Destiny support group" members speaking about how I "refuse to accept sources" or that I "debate disingenuously." This is a claim that gets brought up time and time again, so let's take a look through some of the exchanges of our conversation and see if Kormantine was as productive as people say.

Firstly, Kormantine already revealed his true colors (can I say that???) before "the n-word" debate had even began - he had already laid into people in a prior discussion, gate-keeping an ad-homming the fuck out of multiple people on the show.

  • To begin, Cole chimes in out of nowhere to attack Bastiat with no response from Kormantine, just a slight chuckle, saying he's "corny as I thought you'd be."
  • Kormantine literally shuts Pxie up, telling her that "before anyone else talks you gotta know what the fuck you're talking about."
    • I didn't really run through this convo to document every instance of it, but Kormantine interrupts Pxie constantly, the only two people who ever try to give her speaking time in the conversation are Ahrelevant and I.
  • In response to Bastiat's arguments concerning a Canadian pipeline issue, Kormantine chimes in with "it would be great to talk about Canada with people who know what the shit they're talking about." later on when I try to respond with something about green energy, he aggressively throws a "I know you're not talking, what the fuck are you talking about man?" out of nowhere at me. He also randomly tries to gatekeep the convo by asking "can you talk to me about raw oil exports out of Canada?"
  • Playing the victim afterwards again, Kormantine claims he "wasn't aggressive" because of a pre-existing relationship with Bastiat, although even Bastiat seems to acknowledge Kormantine's aggressiveness.

So before we've even gotten to what I'd consider a hard topic, Kormantine has come out of the gate with a few incredibly negative traits. Firstly, he's willing to drop unprovoked ad-homs, eg "you don't know shit about this." Secondly, he's willing to gatekeep convos by doing very odd, unrelated trivia games ("CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THE RAW OIL EXPORTS OUT OF CANADA???", thirdly, he's willing to scream over people and shut them down in the conversation (stop talking stop talking stop talking) and fourthly, he's willing to play victim when he gets called out on his aggressive tactics.

Just as a note, I've never had someone present to me any evidence of me ever using "aggressive debate tactics" in a debate before. It's generally the opposite, where people like Kormantine will talk over me, personally insult me, engage in horrible/fallacious arguments, and then turn around and cry to his friends while accusing me of doing the same. It's kind of ironic that he's already engaged with most of the "debate tactics" I've been accused of using.

On that note, let's look at some of the gate-keeping Kormantine does in this conversation:

  • First we get a random appeal to authority, a good ole' "does anyone study this for a living?"
    • This is going to be a common theme during the debate. Kormantine is very quick to "cite studies" but he never wants to actually break them down or go into detail for any of them. Instead he entertains the classic "gish gallop" and will pick up books and throw a ton of studies at me but never allow me to content or analyze any individual one.
  • Here we get some textbook gish galloping. In case you don't know, the point of a gish gallop is to overwhelm your opponent with arguments (good or bad) without giving them a chance to respond. Notice how he literally begins this gish gallop by interrupting a point I couldn't finish.
    • There's no reasonable way I can respond to him just holding up books (that he's likely never even read) and saying, "this study says you're wrong, also so do the footnotes lol." Notice how he will never dig into any of the studies he's mentioning, ever, his goal is always to simply overwhelm with "information."
  • When I try to bring up that video games can be linked to aggression and whether or not we should cancel violent video games, he tries to hand-wave the massive meta-analysis I bring up by saying "lawyers from the 80's skewed all the research."
    • The hilarious thing about this is that Kormantine is referring to fucking Jack Thompson, a disbarred lawyer who has no published literature, nor influence on published literature. This is making me seriously doubt Kormantine**'s credentials.**
  • Kormantine interrupts me again to monologue about random, irrelevant anecdotes. For additional humor, he literally says "why are you yelling at me" after interrupting me twice.
  • A good ole' ad hom, "this is how I can tell you've never studied racism in your life."
  • I point out that we're not having a conversation because he's literally gish galloping me, and his response is to tell me that I'm "not on his level."
    • We never do get to analyze one of these studies he brings up; he's never interested in engaging with any of the material. The funny thing, if he actually as an academic he would be overjoyed to share his research with us on the podcast. I'm pretty convinced he's never read any of the literature on his desk.
  • Again, Kormantine literally shuts down Pxie with a "you can't talk about this because you're not black."

From an "academic" point of view, he's essentially ceded all ground. He's engaged in a ton of overwhelming statements, he hasn't given me time to respond to anything, he's continually derided my educational background and he's sat back while Cole has fired off random shots at me.

Let's see if he fares any better answering questions at least?

  • "Is there any difference between slurs?" "What a stupid fucking question." He never gives an answer to this question.
    • Nice little "how are you gonna debate me on my humanity" thrown in there, too.
  • He asks me "what is black exactly?" I give an answer, then he says it's incorrect, and when I try to push him on it he refuses to give an answer and is constantly evasive. He never gives an answer to this question.
    • For added irony, he throws in a bit of gate-keeping at the end of this one as well.
    • I begin to throw back the "I know you're wrong about this because you're not educated" insult back at him, this is when people start to get upset that I'm deriding his educational background.
  • In response to a question about whether or not white people could make an edgy joke, he evades the question and responds with a "it would make me question why a white person would want to engage in that" instead. He never gives an answer to this question.
  • I ask why it's okay to engage in some forms of edgy sexual practices (like rape-play) but not edgy humor (like racial humor). Once again, he evades this question. He never gives an answer to this question. Even when Ahrelevant brings it up later, he still refuses to give an answer because he is not capable of grappling with this subject matter.
  • First he says that every racist joke is unacceptable, then he says backpedals and says that you need to "understand the context in which we live" in order to use racist jokes..? He ends with "you're not George Carlin"...does this mean if I was funny enough I could make racist jokes..??

I think there are more examples but I'm too lazy to dig more out.

So at this point it's clear he's not good at presenting information, nor is he good at answering questions. What is he good for? Ah, perhaps attacking my "soul" or "humanity" then?

  • "What kind of void do you have in you as a person?"
    • I don't even get to respond to this before Cole jumps in with some more dumb shit.
  • He literally interrupts everyone to ask "what is missing in your soul?"
  • "I don't debate my humanity with most people." And then crying about "you might be able to shout me down" and then blaming us on Cole cashing out, saying the reason Cole left was because we were abusive to him.
    • More emotional appeals that are totally baseless. To claim that Cole was the one being abused is fucking rich.

Any other bonus memes?

  • Ah, here's a good one, when Kormantine decides to go "brother to brother" he quickly discovers that Ahrelevant isn't black enough for the conversation and attempts to gate-keep him, saying he wouldn't be able to stand by certain Civil Rights people because he hasn't read the right books. "Your blackness does not make you answerable(?) here my brother."
    • This is easily one of the most disgusting and racist things I've seen in this entire conversation thus far.

Kormantine is a piece of shit who was never capable of engaging in this conversation. The best thing he could do for black issues is to find someone who can actually hold a conversation without devolving into a shit-slinging fest right out the gate. He's a disgrace to this topic and he does his communities a disservice by the way he acts in them. The way he treated Ahrelevant in this conversation by gate-keeping his black experience is one of the worst things I've ever seen in my entire life; I almost felt like I was watching a Candace Owens propaganda video.

TheSerfsTV

This guy has been a snaky piece of shit to me by sniping with random shitty comments about me in the past, but I let it slide because I figure he's just memeing to fit in with friends. Let's see how he responds, after everything we've witnessed, to a pretty basic question.

  • I essentially ask "do you think Kormantine made a good faith approach to this conversation?" He responds by saying I was acting in bad faith by being condescending and calling him stupid. He says he was here for the whole 3 hours and apparently never heard Kormantine do it.

This is what I mean when I say these people are spineless fucks with zero conviction. It's incredibly frustrating to have all of these people in a call gaslighting the fuck out of me while I'm trying to navigate a pretty brutal discussion with multiple people attacking me and other cowards jumping into the middle of the call to fight as well (Hasan) all making claims that things that happened didn't actually happen.

Hasan

I could write pages on the stupid shit Hasan says, but let's focus on a couple of things that are just hilariously wrong.

  • "The reason why Destiny's targeting Cole is because he's the weak link there...he's emotional on the subject." Hasan claims Cole only loses because the internet is full of nihilistic edgelords. "Destiny's attacking him more than Kormantine, and even when he does he attacks his education." "This is literally Destiny defending his use of the n-word."
    • Imagine how insanely dishonest you have to be to run with this take for the conversation.

By the way, what is Hasan's stance on the private/public language divide? No one knows, not even Hasan!

  • When Hasan is talking to Trihex, a black man, he says "ultimately, no matter what, it implies the person themselves are a racist person."
    • Ah, okay, I suppose he believes it's racist, then, no matter what; that's clear, right?
  • When Hasan jumps onto the podcast and claims that me defending my stance on private vs public language amounts to "belittling black people."
    • Okay, cool, so we know his stance, at least he's consistent on this...unless...
  • When Hasan is talking to me, a fellow white person, in a one-on-one context, his stance suddenly switches up to "sometimes it's contextually appropriate to use edgy humor." However, he just defended that position publicly to me, completely erasing his entire complaints that "I was undoing everything I'd worked for by defending my use of the word publicly."
    • Ah, okay, so Hasan is just too much of a coward to tell a black person his true feelings on the issue. Instead, he performs an "act" to win their approval, but when confronted by a white person he's comfortable enough to admit his true stance.
    • What does Hasan think about Ahrelevant? Oh, Hasan calls him a Destiny bootlicker. Nice one, dude.

This is such a disgusting, virtue signaling performance for minorities to try to get them on his side. Pretty rich that he says my "sentiments about social justice are fake" after these takes.

BadBunny

I just want to remind everyone that BadBunny is a piece of grifting shit who insults her "new friends" behind their backs. She claims the DMs are fake, but she swiftly unmodded some of her mod team and wiped her Discord as people were continuing to dig up information about her.

Mike from CCP

Mike from CCP (central_committee on Twitch, named after the Soviet Union's central committee) is a Beta Tony who wants you to believe he's an Alpha chad. He lies about his credentials (he says he's a lawyer but he "worked in the Pitt law school securities arbitration clinic assisting elderly clients, and in various positions as a research assistant at law firms") to not only "win debates" on my stream, but I guess to run in elections in the real world. He's also too scared to take a strong position supporting the Hong Kongers but gave a 3 minute monologue on how horrible Blizzard is (the reason being he hates companies but is too much of a coward to shit on China because of his tankie fan base).

Alebrelle

Alebrelle is a creepy piece of shit who will tweet at literally anyone and everyone (appropriate or not) to get laid, including stalking a girl [backup] (stalking her from her OkCupid through to her Tumblr through to her Twitter through to her Facebook????) He's also a creepy fuck who tried to "protect Eva's purity" from me when they came to chat with me in my hotel lobby for a bit, including bringing me up in their chat

Alebrelle is also a snaky fuck who asked me to host a trans-person's charity, then complained ON MY OWN SUBREDDIT THE NEXT DAY when some people from my chat were toxic (it was a pretty big host so there were a lot of randoms from my Twitch chat that went over). Oh wait, maybe that's not his account, after all he does speak about himself in the third person to seem like it's not him, yeah? Oh wait, the dumbfuck has a flair of his account on the Twitch subreddit.

Also nice "Destiny pedophile jokes" in BadBunny's chat.

I guess those "nice guy" SJWs who just leverage their position to try to fuck as many girls as possible is true. I'd say "people" instead of "girls" since he constantly claims he's pan or whatever but it seems like he literally exclusively thirsts after women so who knows.

Trihex

Originally I had mixed feelings on this one, but my experience with Mychal going back and forth on whether or not my takes are "acceptable" has been incredibly frustrating in the past. I generally confront him with some political take on our show, he says he'll "look into it," then he converses with the lefty squad of dipshits that hate me and then comes back thinking I'm wrong about everything again.

Here are some things Trihex has said about language:

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Now what in the flying fuck changed so hard that you are literally so upset about my "usage of the n word with a hard r", that you literally just defended a few weeks before IN FRONT OF ME, ON A PODCAST, AGAINST SOMEONE SAYING IT WAS "dehumanizing"??? How did you go from verbalizing my arguments with crystal clear accuracy to crying on our podcast to make me look like the literal fucking hellspawn of the earth? Why are you complaining that you have to take a break from streaming because you're so upset with an incredibly public position that I've held and defended for years, even in front of you?

Why the fuck is your girlfriend dogpiling on to tweet at me now, too?

Why are you acting so emotional about this and claiming you cleaned up and changed your act completely when you still use ableist slurs like "retarded" publicly in my and other Twitch chats? [1] [2] [3] Or threatening to make Jew jokes? Or literally QUOTING UNCLE RUCKUS BY SAYING "NIGLET" which is EXACTLY the context I'm arguing for?

It's amazing to me that all it took were a few USSR larpers whispering in your ear to turn you against me, and then you have the nerve to confront me publicly and ask how our friendship means so little to ME? When you 180'd your positions from LESS THAN A MONTH AGO because a group of lefty dumbfucks are telling you that I'm the devil incarnate? And then you expect me to empathize with your position while you have the entire internet rallied behind you with LSF threads hitting the front page of reddit shitting on me and every aspect of my personality?

Fuck that, I've cancelled the podcast, I don't care if you want to continue or not, what kind of fucked up background do you think I come from where I'd ever deal with such a dysfunctional, one-sided relationship.

References

  1. ↑ https://www.twitch.tv/trihex/clip/CrunchyUglyOtterSMOrc-2K7Xwy9xXbIDodVk
  2. ↑ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWdpSwn6EUI

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