Denims

Denims
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Status Active Political Alignment Progressive Left/Socialist Age 27 Qualifications B.A. in Economics Science Occupation Twitch Streamer/Political Commentator Country of Origin USA
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Denims is a political streamer and OnlyFans content creator. Prior to her falling out with Destiny, Denims was a semi-prominent fixture of the stream, providing her insight on varying political topics from a leftist perspective and occasionally playing games with him.

Denims was the central to several dramatic events involving Destiny, to include leaking his private use of the N-word, to her attempts at breaking up Destiny and his then-partner Melina.

On stream appearances with Destiny and dramas

First Appearance, Reverse King of The Hill

On July 26, 2019 Destiny met Denims during a Reverse King of the Hill episode hosted by Austin Show, featuring Knut, Esfand, and Destiny.^{[citation needed]} Denims was voted out after a deciding vote by Esfand. DGG and Destiny were impressed by Denims ability to debate a Trump supporter (Primrosetv) that she was competing with. She would go on to make an account in DGG a day later, most likely after DGGers migrated to her stream shortly after the episode ended.

Second Appearance, Apex Legends with Denims and Iman

On August 3, 2019, Destiny, Denims, and Iman played a few rounds of Apex Legends.

Third Appearance, Rajjchelor

On August 13, 2019 Denims competed on an episode of the Rajjchelor (later called Love or Host) hosted by Austin Show. She finished sixth in the competition, and ended up choosing Destiny for her love option over Zherka. At this point Denims was a full-blown orbiter/friend of the stream, and would regularly appear in chat for some time.

Fourth Appearance, Big Brain Podcast

On September 18, 2019 Destiny joined a Big Brain Podcast panel hosted by MindWaves, which Denims was a guest on. Unfortunately, the VOD has been deleted, and there is no clear indication what exactly had been discussed through chat logs.

"Beef" with MrMouton

On September 25, 2019 Denims (allegedly in a deleted VOD) had taken issue with some behavior by MrMouton. MrMouton offered to talk about it off stream, and the beef was supposedly resolved.

TwitchCon Drama

Main Article: Denims TwitchCon Drama

The TwitchCon drama, refers to the drama following Twitchcon involving Denims, Iman, a controversial chatter Atlasesque, and Melina. Destiny felt no ill-will towards any individuals involved in this drama, and chalked it up to a series of horrible misunderstandings. Destiny's initial response to the drama was relatively tame, as he made sure to keep from leaking too many sensitive DMs and from revealing the identity of Atlasesque. However, following a response in turn from Denims, Destiny took it upon himself to provide even more details surrounding the embarrassing circumstances of the events. This information provided by Destiny notably included more details regarding the particularly deceiving behavior employed by Denims. Some time following the events of the drama, Denims eventually apologized and claimed in DGG chat that while she and Destiny no longer trusted each other, they were still "cool."

The N-word Drama and Denim's Involvement

Main Article: "I've never been more gaslit in my entire life..." - Destiny Debate ft. Hasanabi, TheSerfsTV, & More

Sometime around October 20th, 2019,to divert attention away from her involvement in the TwitchCon drama and to make good on a threat made to Destiny before leaving his apartment, Denims threatened to leak private logs showing Destiny's use of the n-word. Destiny responded by stating: "Whatever, I say it in private all the time". The clips (both now deleted) were posted by twitter power user and Destiny antifan Zei Squirrel, and subsequently posted to LiveStreamFails, effectively beginning the N-word drama. Of note, Destiny allegedly only said the N-word to Denims because she had said it first.

Fifth Appearance, political panel hosted by Pxie and Denims

On November 23, 2019, Destiny appeared on a political panel with MindWaves, TruMalma, and EvaUnaLove, hosted by Pxie, and Denims. Unfortunately, no link or reference to the vod of this panel can be found outside of a reddit post saying when the panel would occur.

Sixth Appearance, Tom Foolery panel

On March 11, 2021 Destiny appeared on a political panel hosted by Tom Foolery. Guests on the panel included Denims, Ahrelevant, Riley Grace Roshong, and Dylan Burns. Topics on the panel included cancel culture, streamers using their platform for change, $15 per hour minimum wage, and abolishing gender.

Denims announces her own website, a DGG clone

Sometime around April 10, 2021 Denims announced the launch of her own website. Some DGGers took notice that the layout for her website looked quite similar to DGG's own format, and upon further evaluation found that the source code had references to DGG and StarCraft (shown below).

Seventh Appearance, Denims debates Destiny over his performance in a prior debate with Richard Wolff

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Denims debates Destiny over his performance in a prior debate with Richard Wolff

On April 23, 2021 Denims and Destiny engaged in a fairly heated debate regarding an equally heated debate Destiny had with Richard Wolff over socialism/Marxism vs capitalism a few days earlier. Denims claimed that Destiny did well in the first half, but did poorly in the second half when investments and capital markets were discussed, so Destiny decided to bring Denims on stream to discuss. This was the last, and most frustrating, direct conversation the two had with one-another on stream. The majority of the conversation was spent discussing whether Destiny actually believed "all companies must pay out dividends".

Debate Highlights

1:00, Denims initiated the conversation, suggesting that Destiny's main flaw in the debate was saying that companies must pay out dividends. Denims argued that, at least for public companies, this isn't how they operate. Destiny replied that he had already addressed this during the debate, noting that there are other methods besides dividends to give returns to shareholders. Denims initially agreed but clarified she was only challenging Destiny on the dividend assertion. Destiny retorted that it was a "non-point," and he had already made clear in his debate with Wolff that companies must return value to shareholders, with dividends being just one instance. When Denims inquired about other ways companies can return value to shareholders, Destiny listed options like stock buybacks, increasing the company's valuation, and other potential "exotic ways" he admittedly wasn't familiar with. 1:56, Denims shifts the conversation to worker co-ops and cites Wolff from the debate, saying, "A co-op can pursue various goals, including profit. A worker co-op might still aim for profit and expansion, which aligns with shareholders' interests, but it's just one of many objectives." Destiny counters this, arguing that workers in a co-op aim to maximize benefits for themselves and not to generate profit for external investors. He adds that while other co-op models might work, they would still entail some "worker-exploitation" and capitalism. Denims responds by emphasizing that even if the profit motive isn't for the shareholders, it doesn't imply workers don't seek more profit. She posits that if the company earns more profit, all the workers receive higher pay. Destiny identifies a flaw in this perspective, asserting that while a "privately-run" firm requires profit, a "worker-run" firm can provide value to its workers without necessarily focusing on profit. He cites raising worker wages and reducing work hours as means to enhance value for worker-owners, which might inadvertently disadvantage private investors. 3:45, Denims proposes that workers might vote to allocate "extra profits" from a quarter to branch out into a "new sector." She goes on to say they would do this knowing that it would yield profitability, ultimately benefiting the investors. Destiny questions how someone would use "profit to expand." Trying to clarify her point, Denims says, "you generate profit from the businesses and then distribute it as dividends to entice more investors..." Interrupting her, Destiny asks once again how co-ops can produce profits and then grow. Denims uses an example of a co-op selling cranberry juice where the production cost of the juice is lower than its selling price. She mentions that the additional profits from the juice sales can either be reinvested in the company or to finance "more investments." Destiny interrupts Denims again, pressing his question: In a regular company, if there's more capital and a desire to expand, they just hire more employees. But in a co-op, workers must buy in; they aren't simply hired. He emphasizes that co-ops don't pay workers a salary; instead, workers receive a share of the company. He again expresses his uncertainty about how a co-op can profit and then use that profit to hire more workers or expand. 5:10, Denims asks Destiny, "Do you believe in automation?" Destiny responds that their current conversation doesn't concern automation. Denims then explains that workers in a co-op could use extra profits to automate tasks such as sealing cranberry bottles, which would replace the workers previously responsible for that task and allow for expansion. Destiny concedes the possibility but highlights that investors might hesitate to fund a business where they could potentially lose everything due to the decisions of the co-op. Denims counters by saying investors can make choices based on the co-op's financial statements. Destiny quickly retorts, stating that the smart choice would be to avoid investing in worker-run businesses since they aren't obligated to give anything back to shareholders. 6:26, Denims argues that both the co-op and it's workers share aligned interests with the shareholders since they all want their companies to turn a profit. Destiny challenges this, asking Denims to clarify the term "profitable." Denims defines it as "when a business generates more revenue than costs." Destiny counters that Denims fundamentally misunderstands profit and points out that labor constitutes a business expense. He emphasizes that shareholders' interests don't always align with labor's because labor aims to raise the business's operational costs, which detracts from the profits — the main priority for shareholders. In response, Denims states, "that's not true." She points to startups that reinvest in their business to expand operations, suggesting co-ops could do the same. However, Destiny stresses that while co-ops could follow this path, they might also choose not to. He warns that the potential always exists for a company to award themselves a hefty payout at the investor's expense. 8:16, after some more debate, a frustrated Destiny tells Denims he doesn't know how to make her understand that she's mistaken. Denims counters, suggesting that Destiny didn't have a basic grasp of dividends, at least earlier on. Destiny questions whether Denims truly holds this belief, if she missed parts of his conversation with Wolff, or if she has never listened to his arguments about stock buybacks. Denims then highlights Destiny's previous belief that "all public companies must distribute dividends" in his debate with Wolff. Destiny concedes he misspoke and meant to say "returning value to shareholders", instead of using the term "dividends" in that some conversation. Destiny further presses the point by stating he has investments of his own, and he understands that they make money on their own without dividends, and that Denims is being uncharitable. 9:07, Destiny questions Denims' intentions, asking, "Are you arguing in bad faith?" after she challenges his understanding of dividends and implies that he believed the only way a private company could offer value to shareholders was through dividends. Destiny defends himself further, stating he had debates on stock buybacks for months. Denims describes his exaggeration as "extreme", and clarifies that she never thought he was stupid enough to believe dividends were the sole method for companies to reward shareholders. Destiny then asks why she implied he held that belief earlier. Denims reasons it's because he expressed it during their debate. Destiny counters, asking whether it's more probable that he misspoke or was echoing Wolff's words. Denims then suggests that they could go back into the debate vod to see what he had said, to which Destiny claims that Denims might be retarded. 10:33 Denims decides to cite directly from a transcript of Destiny's conversation with Wolff: Wolff: A public company does not have to pay out dividends to its shareholders Destiny: No no no, absolutely not, this is markets 101. Destiny then asks Denims what she thinks Wolff meant in this quote, to which Denims voice drops a few octaves and a legendary DGG soundbite can be heard. Destiny suggests that Denims reviews an earlier part of the debate where Wolff claims that private companies don't owe it to shareholders to return value. In the instance Denims mentioned, Wolff chose to use the word "dividends," so Destiny responded using the same term. Shortly after the point in the debate of Denims' example, Destiny clarifies that companies don't necessarily only use dividends to return value to shareholders 11:47 Denims offers to "suck the meat off" Destiny's cock if he can get Richard Wolff to say he didn't mean dividends, to which Destiny responds that Wolff literally said as much during the debate and questions if Denims even watched the conversation. The two decide to watch that point of the conversation together, and will see(seconds after the dividends comment is made) Destiny make a statement regarding the "returning of capital" to shareholders, and Wolff saying "not at all". Denims denies outright that Wolff says this, they rewatch this portion of the video again, Denims then flips to agreeing with Wolff and states "this is not the case". Denims then argues that Wolff believes people buy company stocks because they anticipate capital gains. Destiny interrupts Denims, and points out this is exactly his point of returning value to shareholders. Denims says she doesn't disagree with that point, and Destiny throws his hands into the air and asks what she even disagrees with him about. Denims then claims that Destiny brings up "dividends" sometime earlier in this conversation, and Destiny decides they should watch back further in the debate. 17:25, the two get sidetracked once again on a discussion over the competing interests between shareholders and workers, and Destiny repeats some of the same arguments he made earlier verbatim. Destiny then provides the example of an individual looking at the financial statements of two companies, one a co-op the other a private company. If this individual has $10,000,000 and invests the money in the private company, that company would have a fiduciary responsibility to manage that money and to manage their business in such a way that returns a profit to the individual. If this same individual invests their money in the co-op, there is a likelihood that the co-op could just pay themselves out in bonuses and "walk" on the investment, to the detriment of the individual. Denims then claims that the co-op would still be held in court for that as they have a fiduciary responsibility to the investors, to which Destiny replies "THAT'S NOT A FUCKIGN CO-OP". 24:54, Destiny rewatches the portion of the debate where Denims had initially cited Destiny misunderstanding what dividends meant. After the two view the timestamp and debate some more, Destiny reflects on how he wishes he could get people to listen to his opinions on politics just because he was a cute girl. Destiny goes on to state that he respects it more than the "hot-tub" model, and wishes Denims "good luck with her shit" while he plays his spaceship games.

Notable Clips, videos, logs, and tweets

Denims and Atlas "talking shit" about Destiny to other creators

On January 26, 2021 Destiny typed in DGG chat that Denims and Atlas were besmirching his name to other political content creators behind his back.

"Denims/Atlas are running around behind the scenes talking so much shit about me and trying to get me fucking hated by other people in the little politics circles"

— Destiny, in DGG Chat.

Denims at a TwitchCon meeting with Melina

On October 12, 2022, Denims and Melina coincidently attended the same TwitchCon meeting focused on improving the platform for IRL streamers. Melina was seated at a table with several other smaller lefty political streamers, including Denims. Melina alleged that the entirety of the meeting was devoted to discussing how to make political content better on twitch. When recounting the meeting in DGG chat, Melina noted the awkwardness of listening to Twitch Staff and content creators—many of whom hated Destiny—discuss improving politics on the platform. Melina argued this was particularly awkward given her status as Destiny's wife, and the fact that Destiny was banned years after carving out the political space on Twitch.

Tom Foolery Video Essay

On January 1, 2023 Tom Foolery released a video essay breaking down misinformation from the far left. The very first content creator introduced in this video was Denims.

Denims calls FroggyFresh a Nazi

Sometime around May 15, 2023 Denims alleged that content creator Froggy Fresh was a Nazi after he had trained for a boxing match under Sam Hyde.

Destiny discusses Denims trying to clout shark

On July 9, 2023, Destiny reacted to a tweet from Denims, who was trying to gain clout from a drama involving The Young Turks (TYT). As TYT faced inner turmoil due to a clash between Ana Kasparian (an executive producer and Host at TYT) and some radical left members, Denims chose to ride the wave of criticism directed at Ana by sharing a two-year-old clip of her joking about Hasan's success.

Denims reacts to news of Destiny potentially debating Ben Shapiro

On September 10, 2023 Denims reacted to a Jubilee video. The intro to the video includes a paid promotion where Destiny calls out Ben Shapiro for a debate. Denims is not impressed by the promotion, and even appears visibly disgusted upon seeing it (shown below).

Denims reads the full Osama Bin Laden Letter to America on her stream, Destiny reacts later that day

Denims reading Bin Laden's Letter to America on her stream.

On November 17, 2023, Denims read Osama Bin Laden's Letter to America (which explained Bin Laden's motives during the 9/11 attack) in its entirety. During her reaction, Denims agrees with the sentiment that America deserved 9/11. She later attempts to run damage control for Tik Tokers who were spreading the video at the time, and argues that they were not actually idolizing Bin Laden.

Destiny reacted to a VOD of the stream later that day. Highlights from Destiny's reaction include:

• Destiny remarking that Denims is likely violating the Twitch Terms of Service by platforming pro-terrorist propaganda.
• Discovering Denims runs 70 minutes of Al Jazeera English at the start of her stream every day.
• Explaining why he is so salty regarding Denims "corporate-safe" edgy positions with regards to Anti American sentiment.
• Denims stating that the US is not secular. Destiny responds that he hates white Americans, and that Denims assertion is the whitest American comment he's ever heard. He goes on to point out the irony in Denims reading a letter from the head of Al Qaeda.
• Denims claiming that Americans have no overarching control over their government. Destiny pauses the video and counters that Americans do in fact have a large amount of control over foreign policy, and points to examples such as the pressure to pull out of Vietnam from the American public, and the hesitancy to have "boots on the ground" in certain areas. He concludes that Denims assertion is delusional.

On November 21, 2023, Denims received her first twitch ban, likely as a result of this stream. She was unbanned on November 22, 2023.

Denims defends Hasan, compares streaming to working a normal job

Denims describes the difficulty of streaming.

On February 24, 2024 Denims claims in a now deleted tweet to have worked a 12-hour shift with a four-hour commute, while going to university full time. She goes on to state that streaming is "easily the hardest job" she has ever had, and cites the "post stream social exhaustion" as the primary reason for the difficulty. This tweet was made in defense of Hasan, following the backlash of a viral clip where he claimed: "A real job ... doesn't suck the soul out of you in the same way that ... streaming absolutely will."

Denims puts out a $30,000 bounty to make Asmongold disappear

On April 29, 2024 Denims offers $30,000 to anybody who could make Asmongold "disappear". Asmongold eventually reacted to the clip, and claimed to have contacted Twitch regarding the situation. He stated that he has considered filing a police report, but plans to wait and see how the situation will play out.

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