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Dan

Poggers
Person
Status Poggers
Political Alignment Neo Liberal
Qualifications GED, Honorable Discharge
Occupation Tech Startups, Real Estate
Age 40
Country of origin USA
Media
Website harknesslabs.com
Twitter dancantstream
Youtube dancantstream
Manifolds Market Dan Stock
Other
Awards 2020 Buddy OTY

2021 Buddy OTY

Dan—also known by his online tag Dancantstream—is a prolific Rust player (with over 14,000 hours), CEO of redact.dev, co-host of the Anything Else? Podcast with Destiny & an avid cat enjoyer.

Dan was originally a fan of Destiny, Trying to recruit him off of ustream to Tinychat in 2009 and started chatting around this time. Dan was a frequent guest on Destiny's stream from 2016 to 2022—taking a hiatus during 2023 and later returning in late 2023/early 2024 to resume his prominent position in the stream as a frequent guest, before announcing that he and Destiny would be hosting the Anything Else? Podcast.

Dan's on-stream role has typically been being the foil of Destiny, orbiters, or other on-stream guests; as well as sometimes banning or nuking chatters.

Dan used to host the Startups Podcast with Destiny.

Awards

Buddy of the Year

Dan was nominated for the Buddy of the Year award for 4 years in a row, winning 2 times (2020 and 2021) and narrowly losing to Aba in 2022 by 2.6% of the vote. He was not nominated in 2023.

Spin-off Streamer of the Year

In 2020, (the only year the award was presented) Dan received 2nd place in the overall voting for Spin-off Streamer of the Year.

Emotes

Dan poses for the camera to show that PEPE has achieved mainstream popularity, while YEE-posters flounder in their own anguish.
Main Article: Emotes

Dan has several emotes attributed to him and/or used in relation to him.

  • AngelThump
  • ATAB
  • ComfyDan
  • LOVE
  • Slumlord

PEPE

Main Article: PEPE

To the chagrin of many chatters, Dan is a firm and unwavering PEPE poster, boasting an exceptionally rare 100% PEPE post rate, qualifying him as a pure PEPE Extremist, only referring to the competition as YE*

Notable on-stream appearances with Destiny

The Big Rust Memer Meeting

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The Big Rust Memer Meeting was one of the first on-stream appearances in which Dan was present. Dan makes a minor appearance in the video as his performance in the Rust Group is reviewed by Destiny getting briefly verbally berated for "working" and not mining. Only level 13 .



Esportsbatman is also featured in the video.

Dan discusses Twitch TOS & Nudity with Destiny and Devin Nash

On February 8, 2018, Dan, Destiny and, Devin Nash engaged in an hour long discussion on the topic of Twitch's reformed terms of service.[1] During the discussion, the trio discussed updates to the rules regarding on-stream nudity, clothing, sexually suggestive content, and regulations regarding off-platform behavior. Destiny argued that the language in the new terms of service appeared "very precise," citing the "mall appropriate" stipulation in the rules as an example. In contrast, Devin felt much was still left up to interpretation by Twitch's moderators, especially with regards to what may be deemed "hateful" or "sexually suggestive".

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Destiny and Devin eventually discuss the enformencent of Twitch's terms of service "off-platform". Destiny argues such regulations should warrant the establishment of Twitch partners as W-2 employees. While Devin agrees with Destiny "morally", he stipulates that everything action a content creator makes both on and off-platform, is a function of the platform. Devin cites the need for twitch to remove a content creator poorly conducting themselves off-platform in order to appease sponsors. Devin caveats this position, arguing that Twitch Moderation may be too quick to "pull the trigger" on certain individuals given this new rule.

A discussion on the "exclusivity" requirement for Twitch Partners arises, during which Devin and Destiny discuss the fairness of Twitch Partners being restricted to streaming on one platform. Devin argues that the challenges faced by other streaming services in attempting to "organically" foster a new platform are too steep, especially when faced with a heavily established one in Twitch. Devin goes on to state that no platform exists which offers a compelling enough competitive advantage for streamers to switch platforms. Dan joins the conversation, and asserts that Destiny could potentially capture a whole new audience with a move to another service such as YouTube.

The trio continue to review the new Terms of Service, and take particular issue with regards to the wording of the established harassment standards. While the standards maintain context and intent are key in determining whether moderation action should be taken, the following sentence of the stipulation makes it appear as if context is not a factor. Dan argues that the contract appears to be giving the moderation team much "weasel-room" to interpret situations as they please. Dan then provides the example of Destiny jokingly threatening a duo in a game, and potentially being clipped out of context. Dan later identifies that past content in VODs may be subject to these harassment guidelines, and warns Destiny that he may be forced to delete all VODs both on Twitch and YouTube.

Dan discusses Investment, Real Estate and Stocks with Destiny and Devin Nash

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On October 4, 2018, Dan, Destiny, and Devin Nash, held a brief debate on investment Real Estate and stocks.[2]

The video starts with Destiny expressing his gratitude for being surrounded by many successful people, crediting them for their positive influence on his life, specifically naming Dan and Devin as examples. He attributes his increased reading and more efficient email management to Devin, and humorously mentions that Dan has made him consider investing in real estate. On the topic of real estate, Dan brings up a fellow streamer and securities trader, Reckful. Dan points to Reckful's seemingly inaccurate belief that the rising stock price of Amazon indicates a poor time to purchase real estate. Destiny admits he agrees with Reckful's stance, arguing that given the risky and undiversified nature of real estate, a stock purchase may be safer. Dan and Devin strongly disagree with Destiny's position, arguing that Real Estate is much more risk-averse than stocks, and proceed to spend the remainder of the call arguing with Destiny.

Throughout the call, Destiny questions why more individuals do not invest in real estate if it is such a sure investment as Dan and Devin claim. He values the ability to liquidate a stock at any moment and asserts that real estate assets require much more maintenance in comparison. In response, Dan and Devin argue that Destiny overestimates the intelligence of high-net-worth individuals, particularly those who do not invest in real estate. They contend that real estate management is not as cumbersome as Destiny imagines and that he overvalues the ability to quickly liquidate an asset.

Highlights
  • 3:28 Dan provides his primary arguments for real estate investments over stocks. Dan asserts how most stocks fail to give meaningful dividends, while Real Estates typically have an income stream tied to them, and may even see the asset itself appreciating over time. Destiny waves this line of argumentation off as Dan telling a "story", and proceeds to argue that the inability to quickly liquidate a Real Estate asset creates a massive risk. Dan counters, arguing that Destiny is overvaluing the ability to quickly liquidate an asset, and reiterates the value in generating passive income from a real estate asset, coupled with several governmental measures in place which incentives such investing.
  • 7:37 Dan provides the example of his apartment building in San Francisco, and details how his leveraged investment investment of less than one million dollars in 2010(including remodeling) have resulted in a property now worth over five million dollars. Destiny counters, asking Dan how much money he thinks he could have made investing that same amount into Amazon stock in 2010. Destiny performs a quick google search, and informs Dan he would be up 1,475%. Dan and Devin argue that one would have to know the stock of Amazon would rise to such a degree, while Real Estate is more of a "sure thing". Destiny takes issue with this point, arguing that many people felt the same during the 2007 housing crisis. Devin argues that an individual who held a piece of real estate through the housing crisis, would still likely see a profit today.
  • 10:20 Destiny pointedly states: "Dan is selling me a deal that's too good to be true... that I could just dump a ton of money into real estate and consistently outperform the markets...Then why doesn't everybody do it?" Devin informs Destiny that not everybody has "one hundred thousand dollars in free flow cash" in order to perform such investment maneuvers.
  • 16:04 Dan proposes that Destiny should invest in a rent controlled property in California. Dan goes on to describe how individuals in this area pay incredibly low rent, and how one could see an immense profit in performing such an investment(i.e. purchasing a property where the rent could feasibly increase from two-hundred dollars a month to five-thousand). Destiny once again questions why everybody doesn't make such financial maneuvers if they are such a "sure way" to invest. Devin reiterates that the financial barrier to such investments is quite steep, and there is plenty of "stupid money" out there. Devin goes on to provide Dan as an example of "smart money", pointing out that Dan has managed to keep a surplus of money and grow it in a sustainable way through smart investments.
  • 25:15 Destiny once again questions why such a sure way to invest in money isn't utilized more. Devin provides an example, arguing one could simply invest in the S&P 500 every month, and see a reasonable profit, yet nobody does it. Destiny asserts this example is incomparable, arguing real estate is a more competitive environment, and once again reiterating his uncomfortability with the fact that not none many individuals with a sizable income perform such investments. Devin then argues that Destiny is overestimating the intelligence of individuals with high net-worths.

Dan and Destiny debate the Responsibility of Harm with Rem

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On May 28, 2019, Dan, Destiny, and Rem engage in a heated discussion over the responsibility of harm. [3] The conversation kicks off following Destiny's introduction of Peter Singer's "well analogy": 

"If you walk past a well, and there was a kid drowning, and you could step in and save them, but it would destroy your $20 pair of pants, would you do it? Everybody says yes, but what if you see the kid the next day, would you do it then? Eventually, at some point you're gonna stop saying yes, because you wouldn't wanna ruin a $20 pair of pants everyday. Or if you say yes you'd do it every single day, why aren't you donating some of that dollar amount to Africa every single day because you could effectively save the life of a kid." - Destiny

Throughout the conversation, Dan maintains that each individual draws a "line in the sand" with regards to what level of personal sacrifice they are comfortable making. Rem largely agrees with this point, but argues that one should look on a "case-by-case" basis to determine when a personal sacrifice aught to be made. The primary contention arises over where "the line" should be. Dan and Destiny argue that moral responsibility often lies with individuals/entity which cause another person's suffering to occur, while Rem contends that the responsibility should be equally shared by those who allow the suffering to occur and individuals who cause it.

Following this conversation, Rem and Dan engaged in several debates on Dan's own stream regarding this same topic.

Highlights
  • 0:13 Rem asks Dan if he truly tried to evict an elderly women. Dan inform Rem that he is mistaken, and he simply chose to end his leasing agreement with the individual in question.
  • 1:51 Rem posits a hypothetical to Dan: If he refused to renew the lease, and the elderly lady in question passed away as a result, would Dan feel responsible? Dan states that he would, but argues this is a failing on the government's part, not his own.
  • 3:23 Destiny introduces the "well-analogy" from Peter Singer.
  • 5:05 Dan argues that every single individual draws a "line in the sand" with regards to how good of an individual they want to be. Dan goes on to assert that there are sacrifices every single person could make in life to, ensure the betterment of another individual's life. While Rem agrees with Dan's argument that that trying to "100% optimize ethics" in one's life is unpragmatic, he counters that one should look on a "case-by-case" basis to determine when a personal sacrifice aught to be made.
  • 7:15 Dan reemphasizes the cost-benefit analysis for personal sacrifice at the betterment of others.
  • 7:34 Rem provides another hypothetical: "If you are in a booth, and you could give $50 to save someone, or it kills them if you don't give $50, would you put in $50?" Dan argues he would not put in $50, Rem scoffs at this. Destiny questions Rem's laughter, asserting that individuals make this same decision every day, arguing that one could potentially donate $50 to an organization every day that may potentially work in saving lives. Rem retorts that most individuals are assholes, to which Destiny responds: "if your ethics is a system that defines like 99% of the population as assholes, is this an effective means of analyzing ethical decisions?"
  • 9:29 Destiny and Rem debate the moral obligation of "allowing" vs "doing".
  • 13:06 Dan and Destiny question why Rem has not began working at a fast-food establishment in order to donate money to save people who may need the money. Destiny then argues that Rem is leaving a "trail of bodies in his wake" as he pursues a higher education degree.
  • 15:42 Rem maintains that the difference between doing and allowing harm is nonexistent.
  • 17:29 Rem argues that a scientist researching a cure for cancer may be somewhat exempt from his proposed moral standards. Destiny and Dan counter that any individual pursuing a liberal-arts degree is, by Rem's standard, commiting murder.
  • 23:00 Dan and Rem get into a heated exchange.
  • 24:09 Dan restates his overarching position.
  • 25:38 Destiny rewords Dan's position for Rem.

Dan takes a trip to Hawaii with Destiny, MrMouton, and Melina

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On June 20, 2019, Dan, Destiny, MrMouton, and Melina, IRL-streamed portions of a trip to Hawaii.

Highlights from the stream include:

  • 2:40 As the group walks to their hotel, Dan explains CBD to Destiny, describing it as some "hipster shit" that "doesn't get you high at all".
  • 6:15 A family of ducks walks by.
  • 7:05 The group enters a restaurant.
  • 13:55 Destiny is mocked for spilling something on his shirt.
  • 14:43 Dan expresses his frustration with Destiny consistently pointing the camera at him.


Dan discusses the US housing situation with Destiny

On May 29, 2019, Dan spoke with Destiny regarding the present housing situation in the US, Japan, and several other countries. [4] The video begins with Destiny and Dan discussing the legality of Airbnb, while both agree the company is flagrantly breaking the law, Destiny is of the opinion that housing in the US is in an incredibly poor state regardless of such companies. Destiny points to several market failures making it seemingly impossible to allow for the construction of more housing, Dan agrees and argues this being a result of the "tyranny of the majority". Dan then explains Proposition 13 to Destiny, a state amendment which allows homeowners to "cap" their property tax at the time of purchase, resulting in individuals paying property tax on any piece of real estate well below its actual value. From there, the two discuss the tax-advantaged nature of real estate investment, and the "over-obsession" by Americans in wanting to purchase a home.

Dan debates Stop Sign etiquette with Destiny and Devin Nash WIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6mn21D7Kys

Dan debates flat taxes with Destiny

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On February 7, 2020 Dan and Destiny held a brief debate on the subject of Flat Taxes. [5] Dan argued that flat taxes, particularly those which target purchases rather than sales, could aid in preventing wealthy individuals from amassing massive amounts of untaxed wealth through asset appreciation. Destiny's counter argument was that flat taxes are inherently regressive and ineffective, suggesting it could disincentivize investments since taxes would be paid upfront, possibly leading to decreased market activity. Destiny goes on to point out that such a system could hurt the market's liquidity, as investors might be hesitant to engage in transactions knowing that each would trigger a tax event. The conversation concludes with Destiny and MrMouton laughing and "cringing" at Dan.

Dan discusses Renewable Energy and Physics with Destiny WIP

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The New Portal Debate - Physics Questions w/ Dan

On September 21, 2020 Dan and Destiny briefly debated the feasibility and economics of nuclear energy.[6] The conversation begins with Dan bragging about eating Destiny's Oreos, but eventually shifted in to a serious conversation on energy sources, particularly nuclear and renewable energies. Destiny expresses ambivalence about the economic viability and safety of nuclear power, citing improvements in newer reactors but also concerns over catastrophic risks and insurance costs. Dan then brings up Solar and Wind as potential minimal risk energy alternatives. Destiny expresses concern over this alternative as well, pointing to the potential for solar panels to affect Earth's surface temperature and the subtle but significant local climatic effects of wind farms.

Following the discussion on energy alternatives, the two spend the remainder of the call debating Energy, Work, and Thermodynamics.

Highlights

Nuclear Energy

  • 1:25 A chatter asks Destiny to give his rationale for his aversion to nuclear energy. Destiny expresses his ambivalence, citing economic feasibility and insurance costs as significant hurdles. He references a mix of opinions and articles, which leave him undecided but leaning towards the necessity of exploring nuclear options further.
  • 2:11 Dan discuses the safety improvements in newer generation nuclear reactors compared to older designs. He points out that newer reactors are reportedly safer due to advancements in technology, including better fuel types and more robust containment systems. These improvements purportedly minimize the risks of catastrophic events caused by natural disasters like floods or earthquakes.
  • 3:20 Destiny argues that having multiple failsafes within a Nuclear Power plant may breed complacency.

Environmental effects of renewable energy

  • 3:45 Dan brings up solar energy as a potential alternative energy source, however he expressed concern for the potential environmental impact. Destiny mirrored this concern, and speculated on the potential for large-scale solar panel deployment to affect the Earth's surface temperature.
  • 4:46 Destiny gets angry at DGG chat and begins painting an explanation of the albedo effect.
  • 6:11 Dan brings up wind turbines, as a potential alternative with minimal downsides. Destiny takes issue with this alternative as well, arguing that the energy alternative poses significant concerns. Destiny argues wind turbines could affect local temperatures and weather patterns by altering wind currents and mixing atmospheric layers. Destiny goes on to reference a study indicating that wind farms could make it warmer at night and cooler during the day in nearby areas, which might have implications for agriculture and local ecosystems.

Computer vs Space heater

  • 9:03 Dan posits a hypothetical to Destiny: If one has a 1000 watt computer in a box, would the temperature in the box be the same as a 1000w space heater? Destiny argues the temperature would be different, asserting that while a space heater directly converts all its energy into heat, a computer uses energy for various processes, which may not all convert directly to thermal energy.
  • 13:57 Destiny looks at a Quora response to Dan's hypothetical. Upon seeing that the answer stands in contradiction to his previous assertion, Destiny questions the validity of the graduate Physics students in his classroom who pushed him towards that position.

Batterie and Potential Energy

Dan debates power supplies with MrMouton and Destiny WIP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM4V69u8bak

Notable Memes

External Links

References

  1. ↑ Destiny. (2018, February 14). Twitch TOS & Nudity - ft. Devin Nash & Harkdan. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ZC7v-P2Rc
  2. ↑ Destiny. (2018, October 9). Investment, Real Estate and Stocks ft. Mylixia and Harkdan. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB8u3x70B50
  3. ↑ Destiny. (2019, June 6). Responsibility of harm ft. RemTheBathBoi & Harkdan. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E9N2YVntuY
  4. ↑ Destiny. (2019, June 10). This situation is so messed up... ft. Harkdan. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZR3KaWTXIY
  5. ↑ Destiny. (2020, February 18). Flat tax debate ft. Harkdan. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlZr_uYmD_4
  6. ↑ Destiny. (2020, September 22). The New Portal Debate - Physics Questions w/ Dan. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4klKoRYQSI
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