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On May 28, 2019, Dan, Destiny, and [[Rem]] engage in a heated discussion over the responsibility of harm. <ref> Destiny. (2019, June 6). Responsibility of harm ft. RemTheBathBoi & Harkdan. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E9N2YVntuY </ref> The conversation kicks off following Destiny's introduction of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer Peter Singer's] "well analogy": | |||
"If you walk past a well, and there was a kid drowning, and you could step in and save them, but it would destroy your $20 pair of pants, would you do it? Everybody says yes, but what if you see the kid the next day, would you do it then? Eventually, at some point you're gonna stop saying yes, because you wouldn't wanna ruin a $20 pair of pants everyday. Or if you say yes you'd do it every single day, why aren't you donating some of that dollar amount to Africa every single day because you could effectively save the life of a kid." - [https://youtu.be/1E9N2YVntuY?t=155 Destiny] | |||
Throughout the conversation, Dan maintains that each individual draws a "line in the sand" with regards to what level of personal sacrifice they are comfortable making. Rem largely agrees with this point, but argues that one should look on a "case-by-case" basis to determine when a personal sacrifice aught to be made. The primary contention arises over where "the line" should be. Dan and Destiny argue that moral responsibility often lies with individuals/entity which cause another person's suffering to occur, while Rem contends that the responsibility should be equally shared by those who allow the suffering to occur and individuals who cause it. | |||
Following this conversation, Rem and Dan engaged in several debates on Dan's own stream regarding this same topic. | |||
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* [https://youtu.be/1E9N2YVntuY?t=13 0:13] Rem asks Dan if he truly tried to evict an elderly women. Dan inform Rem that he is mistaken, and he simply chose to end his leasing agreement with the individual in question. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/1E9N2YVntuY?t=111 1:51] Rem posits a hypothetical to Dan: If he refused to renew the lease, and the elderly lady in question passed away as a result, would Dan feel responsible? Dan states that he would, but argues this is a failing on the government's part, not his own. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/1E9N2YVntuY?t=155 3:23] Destiny introduces the "well-analogy" from Peter Singer. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/1E9N2YVntuY?t=305 5:05] Dan argues that every single individual draws a "line in the sand" with regards to how good of an individual they want to be. Dan goes on to assert that there are sacrifices every single person could make in life to, ensure the betterment of another individual's life. While Rem agrees with Dan's argument that that trying to "100% optimize ethics" in one's life is unpragmatic, he counters that one should look on a "case-by-case" basis to determine when a personal sacrifice aught to be made. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/1E9N2YVntuY?t=435 7:15] Dan reemphasizes the cost-benefit analysis for personal sacrifice at the betterment of others. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/1E9N2YVntuY?t=454 7:34] Rem provides another hypothetical: "If you are in a booth, and you could give $50 to save someone, or it kills them if you don't give $50, would you put in $50?" Dan argues he would not put in $50, Rem scoffs at this. Destiny questions Rem's laughter, asserting that individuals make this same decision every day, arguing that one could potentially donate $50 to an organization every day that may potentially work in saving lives. Rem retorts that most individuals are assholes, to which Destiny responds: "if your ethics is a system that defines like 99% of the population as assholes, is this an effective means of analyzing ethical decisions?" | |||
* [https://youtu.be/1E9N2YVntuY?t=569 9:29] Destiny and Rem debate the moral obligation of "allowing" vs "doing". | |||
* [https://youtu.be/1E9N2YVntuY?t=786 13:06] Dan and Destiny question why Rem has not began working at a fast-food establishment in order to donate money to save people who may need the money. Destiny then argues that Rem is leaving a "trail of bodies in his wake" as he pursues a higher education degree. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/1E9N2YVntuY?t=942 15:42] Rem maintains that the difference between doing and allowing harm is nonexistent. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/1E9N2YVntuY?t=1049 17:29] Rem argues that a scientist researching a cure for cancer may be somewhat exempt from his proposed moral standards. Destiny and Dan counter that any individual pursuing a liberal-arts degree is, by Rem's standard, commiting murder. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/1E9N2YVntuY?t=1380 23:00] Dan and Rem get into a heated exchange. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/1E9N2YVntuY?t=1449 24:09] Dan restates his overarching position. | |||
* [https://youtu.be/1E9N2YVntuY?t=1538 25:38] Destiny rewords Dan's position for Rem. | |||
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Revision as of 15:30, 17 May 2024
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Poggers | |
Person | |
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Status | Poggers |
Political Alignment | Neo Liberal |
Qualifications | GED, Honorable Discharge |
Occupation | Tech Startups, Real Estate |
Age | 40 |
Country of origin | USA |
Media | |
Website | harknesslabs.com |
dancantstream | |
Youtube | dancantstream |
Manifolds Market | Dan Stock |
Other | |
Awards | 2020 Buddy of the Year |
Dan —also known by his online tag Dancantstream— is an avid Rust player with over 14,000 hours, CEO of redact.dev, co-host of the Anything Else? Podcast with Destiny & an avid cat enjoyer.
Dan was originally a fan of Destiny, Trying to recruit him off of ustream to Tinychat in 2009 and started chatting around this time. Dan was a frequent guest on Destiny's stream from 2016 to 2022—taking a hiatus during 2023 and later returning in late 2023/early 2024 to resume his prominent position in the stream as a frequent guest, before announcing that he and Destiny would be hosting the Anything Else? Podcast.
Dan's on-stream role has typically been being the foil of Destiny, orbiters, or other on-stream guests; as well as sometimes banning or nuking chatters.
Dan used to host the Startups Podcast with Destiny.
Awards
Buddy of the Year
Dan was nominated for the Buddy of the Year award for 4 years in a row, winning 2 times (2020 and 2021) and narrowly losing to Aba in 2022 by 2.6% of the vote. He was not nominated in 2023.
Spin-off Streamer of the Year
In 2020, (the only year the award was presented) Dan received 2nd place in the overall voting for Spin-off Streamer of the Year.
Emotes
- Main Article: Emotes
Dan has several emotes attributed to him and/or used in relation to him.
PEPE
- Main Article: PEPE
To the chagrin of many chatters, Dan is a firm and unwavering PEPE poster, boasting an exceptionally rare 100% PEPE post rate, qualifying him as a pure PEPE Extremist, only referring to the competition as YE*
Notable on-stream appearances with Destiny
The Big Rust Memer Meeting
The Big Rust Memer Meeting was one of the first on-stream appearances in which Dan was present. Dan makes a minor appearance in the video as his performance in the Rust Group is reviewed by Destiny getting briefly verbally berated for "working" and not mining. Only level 13 .
Esportsbatman is also featured in the video.
Dan discusses Twitch TOS & Nudity with Destiny and Devin Nash
On February 8, 2018, Dan, Destiny and, Devin Nash engaged in an hour long discussion on the topic of Twitch's reformed terms of service.[1] During the discussion, the trio discussed updates to the rules regarding on-stream nudity, clothing, sexually suggestive content, and regulations regarding off-platform behavior. Destiny argued that the language in the new terms of service appeared "very precise," citing the "mall appropriate" stipulation in the rules as an example. In contrast, Devin felt much was still left up to interpretation by Twitch's moderators, especially with regards to what may be deemed "hateful" or "sexually suggestive".
Destiny and Devin eventually discuss the enformencent of Twitch's terms of service "off-platform". Destiny argues such regulations should warrant the establishment of Twitch partners as W-2 employees. While Devin agrees with Destiny "morally", he stipulates that everything action a content creator makes both on and off-platform, is a function of the platform. Devin cites the need for twitch to remove a content creator poorly conducting themselves off-platform in order to appease sponsors. Devin caveats this position, arguing that Twitch Moderation may be too quick to "pull the trigger" on certain individuals given this new rule.
A discussion on the "exclusivity" requirement for Twitch Partners arises, during which Devin and Destiny discuss the fairness of Twitch Partners being restricted to streaming on one platform. Devin argues that the challenges faced by other streaming services in attempting to "organically" foster a new platform are too steep, especially when faced with a heavily established one in Twitch. Devin goes on to state that no platform exists which offers a compelling enough competitive advantage for streamers to switch platforms. Dan joins the conversation, and asserts that Destiny could potentially capture a whole new audience with a move to another service such as YouTube.
The trio continue to review the new Terms of Service, and take particular issue with regards to the wording of the established harassment standards. While the standards maintain context and intent are key in determining whether moderation action should be taken, the following sentence of the stipulation makes it appear as if context is not a factor. Dan argues that the contract appears to be giving the moderation team much "weasel-room" to interpret situations as they please. Dan then provides the example of Destiny jokingly threatening a duo in a game, and potentially being clipped out of context. Dan later identifies that past content in VODs may be subject to these harassment guidelines, and warns Destiny that he may be forced to delete all VODs both on Twitch and YouTube.
Dan takes a trip to Hawaii with Destiny, MrMouton, and Melina
On June 20, 2019, Dan, Destiny, MrMouton, and Melina, IRL-streamed portions of a trip to Hawaii.
Highlights from the stream include:
- 2:40 As the group walks to their hotel, Dan explains CBD to Destiny, describing it as some "hipster shit" that "doesn't get you high at all".
- 6:15 A family of ducks walks by.
- 7:05 The group enters a restaurant.
- 13:55 Destiny is mocked for spilling something on his shirt.
- 14:43 Dan expresses his frustration with Destiny consistently pointing the camera at him.
Dan discusses Investment, Real Estate and Stocks with Destiny and Devin Nash
On October 4, 2018, Dan, Destiny, and Devin Nash, held a brief debate on investment Real Estate and stocks.[2]
The video starts with Destiny expressing his gratitude for being surrounded by many successful people, crediting them for their positive influence on his life, specifically naming Dan and Devin as examples. He attributes his increased reading and more efficient email management to Devin, and humorously mentions that Dan has made him consider investing in real estate. On the topic of real estate, Dan brings up a fellow streamer and securities trader, Reckful. Dan points to Reckful's seemingly inaccurate belief that the rising stock price of Amazon indicates a poor time to purchase real estate. Destiny admits he agrees with Reckful's stance, arguing that given the risky and undiversified nature of real estate, a stock purchase may be safer. Dan and Devin strongly disagree with Destiny's position, arguing that Real Estate is much more risk-averse than stocks, and proceed to spend the remainder of the call arguing with Destiny.
Throughout the call, Destiny questions why more individuals do not invest in real estate if it is such a sure investment as Dan and Devin claim. He values the ability to liquidate a stock at any moment and asserts that real estate assets require much more maintenance in comparison. In response, Dan and Devin argue that Destiny overestimates the intelligence of high-net-worth individuals, particularly those who do not invest in real estate. They contend that real estate management is not as cumbersome as Destiny imagines and that he overvalues the ability to quickly liquidate an asset.
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Dan and Destiny debate the Responsibility of Harm with Rem
On May 28, 2019, Dan, Destiny, and Rem engage in a heated discussion over the responsibility of harm. [3] The conversation kicks off following Destiny's introduction of Peter Singer's "well analogy":
"If you walk past a well, and there was a kid drowning, and you could step in and save them, but it would destroy your $20 pair of pants, would you do it? Everybody says yes, but what if you see the kid the next day, would you do it then? Eventually, at some point you're gonna stop saying yes, because you wouldn't wanna ruin a $20 pair of pants everyday. Or if you say yes you'd do it every single day, why aren't you donating some of that dollar amount to Africa every single day because you could effectively save the life of a kid." - Destiny
Throughout the conversation, Dan maintains that each individual draws a "line in the sand" with regards to what level of personal sacrifice they are comfortable making. Rem largely agrees with this point, but argues that one should look on a "case-by-case" basis to determine when a personal sacrifice aught to be made. The primary contention arises over where "the line" should be. Dan and Destiny argue that moral responsibility often lies with individuals/entity which cause another person's suffering to occur, while Rem contends that the responsibility should be equally shared by those who allow the suffering to occur and individuals who cause it.
Following this conversation, Rem and Dan engaged in several debates on Dan's own stream regarding this same topic.
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Dan discusses the housing situation in the US with Destiny WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZR3KaWTXIY
Dan debates flat taxes with Destiny WIP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlZr_uYmD_4
Notable Memes
External Links
References
- ↑ Destiny. (2018, February 14). Twitch TOS & Nudity - ft. Devin Nash & Harkdan. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ZC7v-P2Rc
- ↑ Destiny. (2018, October 9). Investment, Real Estate and Stocks ft. Mylixia and Harkdan. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB8u3x70B50
- ↑ Destiny. (2019, June 6). Responsibility of harm ft. RemTheBathBoi & Harkdan. YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E9N2YVntuY